2010.02.07 07:00 - Should I? Wings?

The Guardian for this meeting was Fael Illyar. The comments are by Fael Illyar.

Fael Illyar: Hello Yak :)
Fael Illyar: come down and sit :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fael
Fael Illyar: Hello :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you ?
Fael Illyar: I'm well. How are you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: fine, thx. a bit confused but nothing serious :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: not knowing if i do the right things :)
Fael Illyar: Ah, the kind of confusion everyone has sometimes :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was just about to ask who the guardian is :)
Fael Illyar: meep! :)
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: Would you like to speak of what confuses you Yak?
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, it´s about habits
Yakuzza Lethecus: how much second life a day is good, how much should i fight wanting to play games like company of heroes for example :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: do i really like reading about philosophy or does it just seem to be sensefull
Fael Illyar: do you wish to have rules for those that you could understand?
Yakuzza Lethecus: do i really have to understand the things i am reading about or will i just understand things later
Yakuzza Lethecus: am i really happy with what i am doing in my job, does it have future or not, are we on the edge of a big global crisis
Yakuzza Lethecus: or a extreme financial crisis in all western countries
Yakuzza Lethecus: except china and india and how much should i even think about my future
Fael Illyar: Hi Agatha :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: should i think about these things and even get worried about them while not feeling able to elaborate upon them
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fael, Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey agatha
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lia
Lia Rikugun: hello
Yakuzza Lethecus: so there are plenty of ways in order to get out of a mindfull state and it´s really tricky since there isn´t a solution for most of the things
Agatha Macbeth: Afternoon Lia
Fael Illyar: all these thoughts what you should be... why?
Fael Illyar: Hi Lia :)
Agatha Macbeth: Do we have a topic yet?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, what i had in mind was pretty much about what brings us out of a concentrated positive state of mind
Lia Rikugun: can you say more yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky, when i read in the media about greece and portugal and the feeling that there will be a big financial crisis and i am already worried about the issue that i work in a company which is producing tools for a car industrie supplier makes me worried about my job even in that indirect sense
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i can drag problems from very far away :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: thats even kinda irrational
Lia Rikugun: yes i understand
Agatha Macbeth: Are things not supposed to be getting better financially?
Yakuzza Lethecus: thats what the news said a few month ago yes
Agatha Macbeth: I thought so, yes
Lia Rikugun: i try not to worry too much about things that might happen in the future
Yakuzza Lethecus: right now they are all in the fear of greece and portugal
Yakuzza Lethecus: right, i think i shouldn´t read that much in the news
Agatha Macbeth: What is happening in Greece and Portugal?
Yakuzza Lethecus: for example greece is at 13% GDP new debts
Yakuzza Lethecus: a year
Yakuzza Lethecus: so ppl fear that the economy isn´t recovering there and drags the entire euro zone into problems
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
Yakuzza Lethecus: but my issue is that even such news which i am not directly into can bring my thoughts far away from my actual problems
Yakuzza Lethecus: that is ridicoulous
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: I understand what you are saying Yaku :)
Agatha Macbeth: We cannot control external forces but they can control us
Agatha Macbeth: And do :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: true
Yakuzza Lethecus: i care to much about things i can´t change, or the problem is to get stuck
Fael Illyar: there are things we can help and things we canät.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Fael Illyar: Hi Widget :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey widget
Lia Rikugun: hi widget
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Widget
Widget Whiteberry: morning
Fael Illyar: I find it best to just accept the things you can't help and concentrate on something you can help :)
Agatha Macbeth: I agree Fael :)
Lia Rikugun: yes, the challenge is to find out what you can change :)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, to be interested isn´t the issue to drop the thought about it
Fael Illyar: yes... it's also possible to accept that you can't do anything about it right now and move to doing something you can.
Agatha Macbeth: nods
Widget Whiteberry: are you thinking of a particular example?
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s somehow not to say, not reading the news anymore because there could be something terrible in it but to read it elaborate upon that maybe but going to the other thoughts seemingless
Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes the news is just too depressing...
Agatha Macbeth: You feel that you don't want to listen
Fael Illyar: come to think of it, I very rarely watch or read news...
Agatha Macbeth: Me either
Lia Rikugun: hello eliza
Fael Illyar: they only report negatives
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fael, Agatha, Lia, Yakuzza, Widget :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Eliza. WOW :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles, thanks Agatha :)
Lia Rikugun: you look so fancy
Agatha Macbeth: Fael Mk II?
Fael Illyar: spring fairy?
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t want to ignore the news, what i want to reach is not to get stuck while noticing chances of problems
Agatha Macbeth: That is soooooooo lovely
Eliza Madrigal: yes... I think talk of daydreaming and spring approaching has me feeling whimsical
Fael Illyar: I do read of things but not the so called official news.
Fael Illyar: Yes, you look very lovely, Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wec are thinking depressing thoughts and Eliza appears to brighten us all up :)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :D Glad to oblige
Eliza Madrigal: I think it is important to be generally informed... but to choose the outlets so that it doesn't create a kind of feeding frenzy... negativity, etc
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, more wings!
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Fael
Lia Rikugun: wow fael!
Fael Illyar: There :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
Lia Rikugun: HAHA agatha
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: grins
Lia Rikugun: i dont have wings :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wings are the cure for bad news! :)
Lia Rikugun: yeay
Agatha Macbeth: You have no wings Yaku and Lia?
Yakuzza Lethecus: no
Agatha Macbeth: Awwwwwww
Lia Rikugun: hehe thank you!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah!
Lia Rikugun: who makes a picture
Agatha Macbeth: Lovely Lia :)
Agatha Macbeth: Poor Yaku is left out :(
Lia Rikugun: eliza gave me a present
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: widget, also doesn´t have some
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: I tried to give Ya wings, but I'm not sure they are copyable?
Widget Whiteberry: hmm, Yak - I think about this too (ty for the note)
Widget Whiteberry: I have plenty of wings,ty
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Widge, I forgot you :(
Widget Whiteberry: I think it's important to stay grounded in re real
Eliza Madrigal has been hunting so that everyone had unique wings
Widget Whiteberry: because a danger moves slowly or seems far away does not make it less real
Agatha Macbeth: Agreed Widget
Agatha Macbeth: Sometimes makes it more dangerous
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Jake :)
Widget Whiteberry: our nervous systems are developed to react to the clear and present danger... but out minds can do more.... for me it's important that I not be agitated when I think about these things ...
Lia Rikugun: (will tiptoe out, have a nice day all)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i don´t even know for example places where i can elaborate on such thoughts often so they got stuck as fears somewhere in the memory
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey jake
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lia
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Lia :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: when are you going to japan ?
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Lia
Widget Whiteberry: I think around this pond is appropriate place
Widget Whiteberry: Not that I have answers ....
Widget Whiteberry: good morning, Jake
Yakuzza Lethecus: nobody does i guess :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Jake
Jake1 Silvercloud: hi widget
Jake1 Silvercloud: hi guys
Eliza Madrigal gives Jake a note
Widget Whiteberry: some people might, talking about these bigger seemingly distant dangers, might encourage us to 'put our heads together'
Yakuzza Lethecus: thinking about things like the states making 1.6 trillion new debts countries in europe near the bancrupcy and real production concentraded in china makes me really concerned
Fael Illyar: Hello Jake :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i don´t like thinking me on the ,,fear of china" bandwagon
Widget Whiteberry: appropriate concern, I think
Widget Whiteberry: hmm, right, the bandwagon is an adreneline rush
Widget Whiteberry: not useful for thinking
Agatha Macbeth: We shouldn't have 'fear' of anyone
Agatha Macbeth: People need to pull together to solve problems
Widget Whiteberry: Yak, what time zone are you in?
Agatha Macbeth: What affects one affects all
Yakuzza Lethecus: gmt +1
Yakuzza Lethecus: germany
Widget Whiteberry: I'll send you a link to a James Fallows podcast if you like
Eliza Madrigal: Widget the other day you talked about seeing no 'others', and that seems really key... though maybe one would expect a fairy to say such things....
Yakuzza Lethecus: that would be great, thx
Widget Whiteberry: he studies China for the Atlantic mag
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Widget Whiteberry: hmm, not sure what I said that time
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: grins
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i get more aware of the issue of what brings me out of a ,,positive mindfull state" since the retreat was in a very secure and open environment
Jake1 Silvercloud: well there have to be others or else we wouldn't feel separate feelings and thoughts
Widget Whiteberry: Yak, can you return to that 'positive mindful state'?
Eliza Madrigal: Well, maybe there are surface others, which is quite a lot...
Yakuzza Lethecus: so it wasn´t hard to get into positive feelings there, hard is the issue of preserving the feelings in real life situations
Widget Whiteberry: you neednt be thee all the time
Eliza Madrigal nods @Ya...
Agatha Macbeth: nods to Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: not really at the moment, but i think it´s important to mention that :)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Widget Whiteberry: needn't be there all the time, it's like home base
Eliza Madrigal: I would expect that having the strong memory/experience of meditating cliffside... one can bring that into moments
Widget Whiteberry: we need to be able to get there from time to time
Eliza Madrigal: standing in lines, in traffic, etc
Widget Whiteberry: to refresh ourselves
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Eliza Madrigal: spontaneous pause?
Widget Whiteberry: seems so
Agatha Macbeth: We're all meditating Eliza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i googled for the podcasts widget mentioned and watching one right now
Eliza Madrigal: Funny when that happens.... guess we fell in
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Ya :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Jake!
Agatha Macbeth: (that was quick)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes he has on dancing shoes...
Agatha Macbeth: With wings evidently...
Eliza Madrigal will be sneaking off for a few minutes ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Agatha Macbeth: Awww :(
Fael Illyar smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all... and hope to see you later.....
Eliza Madrigal: Hugs :)
--BELL--
Fael Illyar: Have fun Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Eliza :) U2
Eliza Madrigal: TY :)
Fael Illyar: Lovely to have you here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Actually, I think I will go too. Building and all that :)
Fael Illyar: Have fun Aggie :)
Agatha Macbeth: Take care all
Widget Whiteberry: we seem to have emptied the shoreline
Fael Illyar: yes, very much so :)
Widget Whiteberry: perhaps we are more tolerant of feeling discomfort
Fael Illyar: I usually tend to have a feeling when I see something that I'd like to fix about whether I can do something about it.
Widget Whiteberry: a feeling about being able to have an impact?
Fael Illyar: something like that
Widget Whiteberry: me too
Fael Illyar: it's difficult to put to words
Widget Whiteberry: I like to think I can do something about almost anything
Fael Illyar: the feeling also somehow tells me how much work it wold b.
Widget Whiteberry: not that I can, but I'd like* to be able
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: I believe that, given enough time, I can do anything I want.
Widget Whiteberry: ☆smiles☆
Fael Illyar: and that changed the question into, do I want to do it enough to spend all that time on it :)
Widget Whiteberry nods
Fael Illyar: from "can I do it?"
Widget Whiteberry: very good question
Widget Whiteberry: very useful to think, x months or years from now
Widget Whiteberry: would I like to have this particular mastery
Fael Illyar: for learning Japanese, it turned out I wanted to spend all that time :)
Widget Whiteberry nods
Widget Whiteberry: excellent example
Fael Illyar: but I definitely didn't want to do it the traditional way :D
Widget Whiteberry: what was the traditional way?
Fael Illyar: going to class for a couple of hours few days a week and doing excersizes
Widget Whiteberry: what was the better way for you?
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you do the contemporary watching anime and finding japanese friends on skype way ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Fael Illyar: I actually did most of it without really communicating with japanese people much at all. It was kind of an accident that I ended up becoming reasonably fluent in speaking/writing it too.
Fael Illyar: I found a program that can grab the text out of japanese games so I can easily find it from a dictionary
Yakuzza Lethecus: what´s it called ?
Fael Illyar: agth
Fael Illyar: anime games text hooker
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx
Fael Illyar has a feeling Yak might learn some Japanese soon.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, i was thinking about something different from german/english yes
Widget Whiteberry: Fael, how many languages did you speak before learning Japanese?
Fael Illyar: Finnish and English ... Swedish ... not sure if it's worth mentioning as it's so rusty I don't practically even understan it.
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i fly over to the meeting
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya there
Fael Illyar: Ok, have fun Yak :)
Widget Whiteberry: me too
Fael Illyar: ok... I'll come too :)