2010.02.05 13:00 - Malta - Yaku´s session

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
    Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
    Liza Deischer: you're ready?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i dunno :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in fact i try not to think too much about the week but how to appy mindfullness during workhours now
    Liza Deischer: i understand
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey newcomers
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone
    Magic Leimes: Hi All
    Lia Rikugun: hello everybody
    Bone Darkmatter: hello hello.
    Bertram Jacobus: hy everybody ! ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lia
    Lia Rikugun: hey yakku ;)
    Lia Rikugun: yaku one k only :)
    Bertram Jacobus: but two zz :o)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: do i have chat lag ? ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: i wrote : but with two zz ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that came through :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you're fine, no lag i guess
    Magic Leimes: Hi Agatha
    Lia Rikugun: hello agatha
    Liza Deischer: hi agatha
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey stim,aga,storm
    Liza Deischer: hi stim, storm
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello all
    Bertram Jacobus: hello agatha, stim and storm :-)
    Lia Rikugun: hello stim and storm
    Liza Deischer: eh stim
    Liza Deischer: that is not going to work I'm afraid
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh that looks nice :)
    Stim Morane: hi everyone
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there all
    Lia Rikugun: hello bolonath
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bolo
    Liza-and-Stim.jpgLiza Deischer: Stim, you're in my body
    Bertram Jacobus: hy bolonath ! :-)
    Lia Rikugun: ups two in one seat :)
    Liza Deischer: STIM
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bolo,pema
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i'll try to start :)
    Agatha Macbeth: PaB hybrid? :)
    Pema Pera: Hi All!
    Lia Rikugun: hello pema
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening Pem
    Bertram Jacobus: hi pema ! :-)
    Lia Rikugun: so liza and stim are sharing one seat
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah but whose seat? ;-)
    Liza Deischer: thank you
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so when i flew to malta it was really exciting since i never flew before and had check how the whole check in, luggage system worked
    Liza Deischer: I feel like Liza again :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that was even one of my first experiences, i booked my flight from sunday to sunday like bertram because it was cheaper in that way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: on the first day arabella and mick collected bertram and me at the airport, i didn't even had their cellphone numbers
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ähm
    Wol Euler waves a silent hello
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: only bertram if something would go wrong
    Bertram Jacobus: waves silent to wol ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey, ara,bert
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wol i mean
    arabella Ella: Hiya Everyone!
    Bertram Jacobus: huhu ara :-)
    arabella Ella: Hey Yaku!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara
    Liza Deischer: hi wol, ara
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so mick and ara picked us up and drove us directly to rabat where we had the opportunity to visit the silent city right away
    Yakuzza Lethecus: mdina
    Pema Pera: ah, you were ahead of us all ?!?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in mdina
    Bertram Jacobus: (yes)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but you eos,mick already arrived
    Bertram Jacobus: (in rabat ahead)
    arabella Ella: but the rest were in St Julians ... Paradise too
    Pema Pera: (but in a noisy city, us!)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i have to admit i was a bit jealous because i was also curious about pema :P
    Pema Pera: (which was also fun)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because half the group already met there
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so bert and i had the opportunity to explore rabat a bit on our own the first 2 days :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: on monday we all met and visited the hypogeum, sadly without wol whose flight got canceled
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when i met pema all my ,,fearfull exciting curiousity" was blown away
    Wol Euler sobs quietly.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because i was constantly thinking ,,a professor from princeton" :P
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Pema Pera: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Bertram Jacobus tries to comfort wol ... ;-)
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hy eos :-)
    Wol Euler: awww :)
    Eos Amaterasu: hi all
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eos
    Liza Deischer: hi eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Eos
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so in had a meeting at the farmhouse for 2-3 hrs even on the first day and it was really nice to see so many nice ppl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nobody turned out to be worse then expected :P
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Bertram Jacobus: :o))
    Pema Pera is wondering what Yaku expected . . . .
    Wol Euler: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh it was complicated
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just a bit scared :)
    arabella Ella: long red hair of course :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, my thougths "i still don't really know what play as being is all about", "does my english work in real life" , "they are all so old"
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Stim Morane: :)
    Wol Euler snorts
    Storm Nordwind: pah!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so many tiny things that take out my "being in the moment" LOL
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i think i started by being relativly quiet when we met at the farmhouse for the first time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and when i had something in mind, i thought that i just talked to fast
    Yakuzza Lethecus: there were so many things i learned about pab and the individual practices during the week
    arabella Ella: but your English and pronunciation is perfect Yaku!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for example that pab got its origins in stim/Tarthang Tulku's TSK book
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least in parts
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in fact i was wondering when there was a part in the book when 4 times practice a day was mentioned and i had a thought in that direction
    Pema Pera: no, that is new :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what is new ?
    Pema Pera: the words "play as Being" appeared on the last page
    Pema Pera: the 4 times a day practice
    Pema Pera: or almost anything else in PaB
    Pema Pera: the notion of "Being" and the name "Play as Being" come from the book
    Pema Pera: other than that, it is independent
    Pema Pera: (answers to "what is new")
    Pema Pera: (what is new is 4 times a day practice, and almost anything else in PaB)
    Eos Amaterasu: [13:23] Pema Pera: the words "play as Being" appeared on the last page : start at the end :-)
    Pema Pera: indeed!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: If this exercise is practiced in forty-five minute sessions four times a day, it will assist in an appreciation of
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry, i just had to check for that :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: page 189
    Pema Pera: ah, yes, that was one of the dozens of exercises
    Pema Pera: but not meant to be done every 6 hours
    Pema Pera: I had never made a connection :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, it was just an association :)
    arabella Ella: interesting :)
    Pema Pera: the muslim prayer connection may be more direct :-)
    Pema Pera: a bit more than four times a day, though
    Bertram Jacobus: five times ? ;-)
    Pema Pera: yup :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, now i don't know where to go on :)
    Lia Rikugun: what was your most fascinating experience during the retreat yaku?
    Eos Amaterasu: (sorry, have to leave - I like your rock star keyboarding style, yaku!)
    Wol Euler: :)))
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye eos ...
    arabella Ella: bye Eos ... nite
    Eos Amaterasu: bye all, sorry to go
    Wol Euler: bye eos, have a good weekend
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eos
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya eos
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: most facinating was obviously the silent day
    Pema Pera: in what way, Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the waitress in the morning, the attemps to communicate in a different way
    Yakuzza Lethecus: many thoughts about what it really mean to be silent
    Yakuzza Lethecus: because i thought in language all day long
    arabella Ella: and you had some interesting observations too Yaku like the one about Eos on the silent day
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i was amazed how eos was settled down in himself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even more facinating then pema
    Lia Rikugun: ;)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the day after the silent day i thought they are kind of a good team
    Pema Pera: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: pema as a moderator and eos as the truely settled example of what appreaciation is all about
    Pema Pera: (but we all were a team: many of the practices were suggested by others!)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for me the whole concept of pab was still a bit strange, even when i have a guardian slot around here
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: what way strange Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sitting in a circle in a virtual world every evening between chat and i dunno
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's hard to explain
    Yakuzza Lethecus: there are just emotions that it feels interesting and gives something to me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: while i just can't explain what in words
    Lia Rikugun: thats great
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Ya :)
    Eliza Madrigal would like an 'A bit strange' tag ;-)
    Zen Arado: you are explaining it well Yaku
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so a working concept is that it's learning a language of the own awareness
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that counts for me and it's exactly the same for wok,pab,tsk for me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't even differ between those workshops
    Yakuzza Lethecus: back to malta :)
    Lia Rikugun: yeay!
    Zen Arado: awareness is the main thing isn't it?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i believe so
    Yakuzza Lethecus: on malta there were even little moments when for example fefonz mentioned that he likes to sit in a different place every day
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just to change his perspective
    Yakuzza Lethecus: any questions about malta i don't know what i should talk about right now :)
    arabella Ella: what did you do on the morning of the silent day Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was walking in the direction of the sea but not as far as eos and pema later
    arabella Ella: ah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: then i enjoyed the sun, which was only really strong that day
    arabella Ella: yes that must have been our warmest day during the retreat
    Yakuzza Lethecus: questions please :)
    arabella Ella: what did you think of the various exercises we did led by Lia, Bert and Fefonz?
    Bolonath Crystal: what kind of exercises were these?
    arabella Ella: different types of meditation (some visualization) practice
    Bolonath Crystal: ah, thx :)
    Zen Arado: did you do much meditation and how did you find it Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i tried, for example we tried to meditate while holding hands
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or bert did "chanting???"
    arabella Ella: chanting ... Ommmmmmm
    Lia Rikugun: yes this was very beautiful
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and we tried to do the same but he was fast and was very rhythmic
    Bertram Jacobus: ( i would call it recitation what i did) ...
    arabella Ella: ah
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we all visited lia's happy place :)
    arabella Ella: yesssss
    arabella Ella: that was so lovely, she described it beautifuly yesterday here at PaB
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i considered me even more as watching what happended and i tried to understand and to integrate the things i saw
    Yakuzza Lethecus: even if i can or if i am even supposed to understand everything
    Wol Euler smiles and shakes her head.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: can we really describe everything in words, what does budda nature mean, do we all know moment's when we already found our budda nature ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: just not allowing ourselves to get back to that
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so are we grasping for something maybe getting upset for not finding it while the key is to loose all grasping and being and appreciate where we are
    Lia Rikugun: i like that
    Zen Arado: yes great stuff Yaku
    Zen Arado: " loose all grasping and being and appreciate where we are" - really like that
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    arabella Ella: please go on Yaku this is so lovely :)
    Bolonath Crystal: sorry, i have to leave. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, yak :) om shanti
    Wol Euler: bye bolo, enjoy the weekend
    Liza Deischer: bye bolo
    Bertram Jacobus: bye bolonath ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bolo
    Zen Arado: bye Bolo
    Agatha Macbeth: Night bolo
    Stim Morane: bye bolo
    Pema Pera: yes, Yaku, a great summary!
    Bertram Jacobus: nice yaku - ty for sharing ! ...
    Pema Pera: (I will have to quietly leave too -- thank you Yaku for sharing your experiences!!)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    arabella Ella: bye Pema
    Zen Arado: bye pema
    Wol Euler: bye pema, takec are
    Bertram Jacobus: bye pema ... :-)
    Liza Deischer: bye Pema
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    Agatha Macbeth: Sayonara Pem
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so another issue was the ability to keep everything present
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the week was very nice and everyone had time to listen to everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to appy something like that in real life
    Bertram Jacobus: (sry - i'll leave too now) ... ty again !
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert
    arabella Ella: nite Bert
    Zen Arado: bye Bert :)
    Wol Euler: bye bert, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: Nite Berti
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so that was even during the week one of my concerns
    Lia Rikugun: yes me too :)
    Bone Darkmatter: (I'm out, too, thanks a lot.)
    Liza Deischer: bye bone
    arabella Ella: nite Bone
    Zen Arado: all of us all the time I would say :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nite bone
    Zen Arado: bye Bone
    Wol Euler: bye bone, bye lia
    Agatha Macbeth: BFN Bone, and Lia
    Lia Rikugun: there seems to be a big difference to daily life
    Magic Leimes: take care everyone....bye
    Lia Rikugun: but i think thats the challenge too :) to continue like on the retreat
    arabella Ella: yes it is one of my concerns too
    Wol Euler nods
    arabella Ella: nite Magic
    Liza Deischer: bye Magic
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya Magic
    Zen Arado: nite Magic
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye magic
    Liza Deischer: what do you need to be able to integrate it in your life
    Liza Deischer: ?
    Lia Rikugun: (will leave too, thank you yaku, danke! and good night)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lia
    Liza Deischer: bye lia
    Zen Arado: bye Lia
    Wol Euler: 'night lia
    Stim Morane: I must go as well. Thanks very much, everyone!
    arabella Ella: nite Lia
    Yakuzza Lethecus: this openness non grasping
    arabella Ella: nite Stim
    Wol Euler: bye stim, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: (Again) :)
    Liza Deischer: bye stim
    Zen Arado: bye Stim
    Agatha Macbeth: C ya stim
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe when on retreat we allow ourselves time we might learn to set aside otherwise, too....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: trust
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in real life i don't trust ppl that much
    Liza Deischer: but what do you need to stay there?
    Liza Deischer: can PaB do anything?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't even talk about being in such a place here on second life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: since i flew to malta i just told ppl that i am interested in philosophy and i knew em from second life
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but not from a place with ppl interested in contemplation,spirituality and there is still this issue about feeling something postive while being unable to define what
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Wol Euler: perhaps just enjoy it without seeking to define?
    Storm Nordwind slips away quietly and appreciatively
    Zen Arado: nods to Wol
    Wol Euler: bye storm
    arabella Ella: bye Storm
    Liza Deischer: bye storm
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Storm
    Eliza Madrigal: For some of us maybe being able to articulate comes later...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: we even had the point that it´s more important to ask our questions then ,,knowing" :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: during the reatreat
    Wol Euler: perhaps it isn't yet time for you to know what it is :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: just that it *is*
    Liza Deischer: all true, but it is known that the atmosphere of a retreat can slip away
    Liza Deischer: I'm just wondering if there is anything that can be done to keep remembering
    Zen Arado: it sure does
    arabella Ella: Liza we have yet another session in four weeks time here to discuss how things went with each of us ... a session all together
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods, real life is so different, i even think about not listen to the news every day
    Liza Deischer: ok ara
    Eliza Madrigal: And you'll each talk about what you might have kept up with in RL, Ara?
    Liza Deischer: it is easy to be dragged away
    arabella Ella: it's difficult at this stage to know what we'll take about but we will have the perspective of 4 weeks post event
    Liza Deischer: o to be arried away
    Agatha Macbeth: Don't get your feet wet dear
    Liza Deischer: carried
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Anonymous
    Wol Euler: hello Anonymous, take a cushion and join us
    Agatha Macbeth: That's called a 'fountain'
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think it is one of the interesting questions... what 'remains' a strong emphasis on one's life after such an experience...
    Agatha Macbeth: (All these technical terms)
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe can't predict what that will be
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for sharing so much, Ya
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Zen Arado: it works something deep within us I think
    Eliza Madrigal nods, yes seems to Zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's complicated, it's this paradox that "grasping" something which we haven't reached is something we shouldn't grasp for since grasping destroys it so how to habituate "just being"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and how much "grasping is allowed" :)
    Zen Arado: that is the koan....
    Wol Euler: hello cheshire, take a seat.
    Zen Arado: more of a seeing and letting go ?
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm, nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when i turn on the media i just get frightened because i don't know how to find the truth about the news, "is the economy going to get worse since we have big businesses playing with virtual money and investment banks creating virtual value through algorithmic online trading"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean there are so many ways to get myself in a fearful state
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler nods.
    Zen Arado: yes
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: that fearful state can be a kind of addiction, almost...
    arabella Ella: but remember what Eos said about questions being important not answers
    Liza Deischer: You mentioned trust Yaku?
    Liza Deischer: is that in other poeple, or more in yourself?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, in real life i never know whom i can really trust neither myself
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i like even being here since it's "for free", they don't want my money
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone got a real job
    Wol Euler: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it's not a "we going to enlighten you in 21 days kinda thing"
    arabella Ella nods
    Wol Euler: :)))
    Eliza Madrigal: 3 easy steps
    Liza Deischer: it is more real then
    Zen Arado: as long as that ? :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it feels more truthfull
    Liza Deischer: yes, I understand
    Liza Deischer: so this is a good place for you?
    arabella Ella: and it is amazing too how we all trusted each other during the retreat ... I mean ... not only here but also in RL
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Widget Whiteberry nods
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes I think it reveals an authenticity to what we experience here... or validates it... at least that has been my feeling
    Liza Deischer: yes, somehow there is something that really works
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of the tentacles in Avatar
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Liza Deischer: authenticity
    Liza Deischer: is a nice place to start :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes 'dropping what you have to see what you are'
    Eliza Madrigal: How did the quote on the wall go...? "beyond the beliefs of any religion....
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out quiety
    Liza Deischer: my feeling is that it is somewhere in sharing
    Widget Whiteberry: bye all
    arabella Ella: bye Calvino
    Liza Deischer: bye cal
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Cal
    Zen Arado: bye Cal
    Wol Euler: bye cal, bye widget
    Widget Whiteberry: time passes so quickly here
    Zen Arado: bye Widget
    arabella Ella: bye Widget
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm :)
    Wol Euler: yes, widget, very true. As on the retreat.
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks again Yakuzza, everyone... will be going now too
    Liza Deischer: bye eliza
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Eliza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
    Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
    Eliza Madrigal waves and smiles
    Liza Deischer: trust -authenticity -sharing?
    arabella Ella: = enrichment
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks all, interesting chat, Ilike the play as being idea! Bye for now
    Wol Euler: bye lucinda, nice to meet you.
    arabella Ella: bye Lucinda
    Liza Deischer: bye lucinda
    Zen Arado: bye Lucinda
    Wol Euler: come back any time :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Lucinda
    Zen Arado: thanks for sharing Yaku
    Zen Arado: I have to go too
    Zen Arado: bye
    Agatha Macbeth: tatty bye zen
    Liza Deischer: eh..bye zen
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Liza Deischer: bye Yaku
    Wol Euler: thank you, yaku, that was very good
    Liza Deischer: yes thanks
    Agatha Macbeth: Auf wiedersehen Yaku
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Sweet dreams all :)
    Wol Euler: I must go, appointments elsewhere.
    Wol Euler: bye for now, dear friends.
    Liza Deischer: bye wol, agatha
    arabella Ella: nite Yaku Wol
    arabella Ella: i must go too nite Liza
    Liza Deischer: nite
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