2010.02.13 01:00 - Practice

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    Bertram Jacobus: hello arch ! :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: hello bertram :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Nice to see you *g*
    Bertram Jacobus: ty - you were elsewhere - distracted ? ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: (hehe)
    Archmage Atlantis: To lomg a story for here... distracted will do
    Bertram Jacobus: do you hide things ? ;-)
    Archmage Atlantis: I dom't think so...I just wait for others to tell me they wish to hear
    Bertram Jacobus: hi scath :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: long time no see ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertram, arch
    Bertram Jacobus: guten morgen yaku :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: hola Scathach , and Yaku
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so, you´ve been travelling scath ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: just to the west of Ireland for a few days
    Bertram Jacobus: but arch : i think : always only short stories - isn´t that a bit facile and boring in the long run perhaps ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: not as far as Malta:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: do we have to get that far ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was my first flight ever, for example and when i remember right you´ve already been in india ?
    Scathach Rhiadra nods yes
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it was a vacation and not a business trip ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Bertram, but the long run is longer than we imagine
    Bertram Jacobus: you never know arch
    Archmage Atlantis: smile
    Scathach Rhiadra: so has anyone a topic for us this morning?
    Archmage Atlantis: In economics
    Bertram Jacobus: for example : eternity ? could be long enough ...
    Archmage Atlantis: the is a turning point
    Archmage Atlantis: No one sees it coming, as economics is based on the past
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. no one ? i doubt that
    Archmage Atlantis: No logician
    Scathach Rhiadra: eternity, could be described as infinitely long time. or maybe timeless?
    Archmage Atlantis: See the seers do
    Bertram Jacobus: i would accept both scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: only 8 minutes passed... ;-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i like it when the amount of written text is not too much
    Bertram Jacobus: hello liza :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning liza
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Liza
    Liza Deischer: morning all
    Archmage Atlantis: elo liza
    Bertram Jacobus: nice seat you choosed liza ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: sorry?
    Bertram Jacobus: nice place, nice spot to sit - always intersting where people sit here ... :-)
    Liza Deischer: ah, okay :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-))
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the choice
    Archmage Atlantis: It tells if one wishes to speak
    Archmage Atlantis: Or to hear
    Liza Deischer: never noticed
    Bertram Jacobus: in which way is that linked arch please ? (!) :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Is anyone here practicing the 9 seconds or other forms of mediation on a habitual basis ?
    Liza Deischer: I only know I'm sitting in between two black men
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Bertram Jacobus: you know more liza, i´m sure ... ;-)
    Liza Deischer: but not very carefully I'm afraid
    Bertram Jacobus: same here (meditation practise)
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes to Yakuzza, but not enough!
    Liza Deischer: why Yaku?
    Liza Deischer: Can you tell more?
    Archmage Atlantis: I practice, not always 9/90, as is a teaching method.....
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Because i am obviously also struggling, my issue even on this place is that we often loose to focus but then i am in the uncertainty that i know exactly what PaB means and how much we should chat, i am not good in meditating either but since this is the only place where i know ppl to talk about those issues i am obviously supposed to be more patient on the issue that it´s not what i hope it would be often.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not that i would like ppl in an unpleasant stuck situation of formal practice :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i like the chat and onigokko often :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Dear Yak, you do practice
    Archmage Atlantis: let go of rules and expectations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, to let go of expectations
    Liza Deischer: actually, I'm glad you're brining this up Yaku
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, I don't think anyone will tell you how to practice or meditate here Yakuzza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods scath, it´s a free aproach :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t want to be the person raising his finger, since i don´t practice often, it´s often just loosing focus for me, but it´s also hard for me to share my own thoughts
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Liza Deischer: well, you're doing a great job today :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: but you share them very well right now yaku (?) ty !
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Liza Deischer: but to get back to your question
    Archmage Atlantis: yet, you just shared them Yaku
    Liza Deischer: because I'm not sure I understand it quite well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: brb
    Liza Deischer: Are these personal thoughts
    Liza Deischer: oh
    Liza Deischer: okay :-)
    Liza Deischer: then I'll wait
    Bertram Jacobus: (lol)
    Archmage Atlantis: You cannot wait for Yaku's revelation to experience your own, Liza
    Liza Deischer: I would like to now the thoughts that Yaku have on this issue
    Liza Deischer: because he is talking about practice and PaB
    Liza Deischer: the combination of it
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Liza Deischer: and I have my own ideas about that
    Archmage Atlantis: they are guideposts
    Liza Deischer: so I like to hear more from others
    Bertram Jacobus: which ideas please liza ?
    Archmage Atlantis: but each entity has a path
    Bertram Jacobus: and concerning to what exactly ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: Good morning Qt
    Qt Core: Hi all
    Archmage Atlantis: Namaste QT
    Bertram Jacobus: hello qt ... :-)
    Liza Deischer: well, sometimes I feel that we more talk about concepts, then about experiences
    Liza Deischer: and experiencing comes with the practice
    Bertram Jacobus: well put liza
    Liza Deischer: I like talking about concepts, don't get me wrong
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes I agree Liza
    Liza Deischer: but I'm missing something
    Liza Deischer: and when the group gets bigger
    Archmage Atlantis: smiles
    Liza Deischer: we seem to chat more about trivial things
    Bertram Jacobus: but the essentials - must be done by one´s own i fear ...
    Liza Deischer: that is okay, because that is part of being a group
    Liza Deischer: but sometimes I think it is overdone a bit
    Bertram Jacobus: i know what you mean and agree so far liza (!) but i think also, accepting what happens is a helpful mean - but may be you do anyway *smile shy* - to me, these meetings here are best i know in the net ... okay : always can get even better ! ... ;-)
    Liza Deischer: like it is easier to drift away in chatting
    Bertram Jacobus: sure
    Liza Deischer: then to focus on what really matters
    Bertram Jacobus: not necessairily
    Bertram Jacobus: depends on the person
    Liza Deischer: true
    Bertram Jacobus: some may be quite focussed at being for example
    Liza Deischer: I know, some of us has a practice and are very serious working with it
    Liza Deischer: but I see also people who are strugling with it
    Archmage Atlantis: snile
    Liza Deischer: and maybe some people need more
    Archmage Atlantis: or smile, as the typing and hands may be
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but i like always to question : what is important ? i guess, that all beings can be happy , in which ways they ever reach that
    Liza Deischer: ,to some it is the first time to encounter someting like this
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but the mix of spiritual thoughts here and everyday chat ... i find it ok
    Liza Deischer: then that is okay :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: and when one shall talk about his experiences - hm - always a bit difficult, because one is said not to be a poser and such, especially not in spiritual relations ...
    Scathach Rhiadra nods, and practice is personal
    Liza Deischer: Yes, I know that discussion, but i think there is something in between
    Bertram Jacobus: what would you like to hear / read then liza and why ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more Liza
    Archmage Atlantis: What is that place Liza?
    Liza Deischer: that's not so easy to answer
    Liza Deischer: but I think that practice is build up in a certain way
    Liza Deischer: to achieve certaine things
    Liza Deischer: or most of all, not to achieve anything
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, there are several ways
    Bertram Jacobus: some build up, some jump in
    Liza Deischer: It depends on what you want
    Liza Deischer: but if it comes to practising
    Liza Deischer: I see more psychological movement
    Liza Deischer: the really practicing
    Liza Deischer: So what is it we want to do here?
    Liza Deischer: we talk about practicing
    Liza Deischer: we even talk about emptiness
    Liza Deischer: but we don't have 'rules' for how to practice
    Bertram Jacobus: for me, it´s communication. and sharing. meeting people with similar interests
    Liza Deischer: somehow that doesn't fit
    Liza Deischer: we try to do too much :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: be all things to all people?
    Liza Deischer: sorry Scath, what do you mean?
    Liza Deischer: (or not focussing on the practice)
    Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes trying to be 'inclusive' means that what one is including everyone in is so broad as to be practically meaningless
    Liza Deischer: right
    Bertram Jacobus: i like the notion "formal practise" - that shows that there is an "unformal practise" as well - and from that it´s said, taht it was - all.
    Liza Deischer: to me there is practice and no practice
    Liza Deischer: and the informal practice are psyhological approaches, that's different to me
    Archmage Atlantis: Scath - some of us can be that broad....to include all
    Bertram Jacobus: sure. but appreciation can include all. as love as well, "for example" - to me that is - very intense - not meaningless
    Liza Deischer: of course Arch and some of us can't
    Liza Deischer: before anything else
    Liza Deischer: we are a group
    Liza Deischer: so we need to take considiration in that
    Liza Deischer: appreciation is a start of practicing
    Bertram Jacobus: i disagree : the order what comes first and second and so on - is various to me
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes Liza, exactly to include all is to include those who cannot
    Liza Deischer: but leaving as such, it has a psychological effect
    Liza Deischer: nothing to do with something like emptiness
    Scathach Rhiadra: including all in our own um 'approach' for want of a better word, is not the same as trying to construct an approach that will include all different approaches
    Liza Deischer: so what are we doing here?
    Archmage Atlantis: Good questiom
    Liza Deischer: right Scath
    Yakuzza Lethecus: From my feeling this is exactly what pab is about right now :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: asking and sharing these questions
    Bertram Jacobus: i, for my part, answered already before : i communicate here, share similar interests, am happy to feel good with all that
    Liza Deischer: yes, you did
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Liza Deischer: I can ask the question what it is you want to share?
    Bertram Jacobus: and i appreciate very much also the openness here - learned from it already a bit
    Liza Deischer: but maybe I should leave it here
    Bertram Jacobus: no. every question is always welcome to me
    Liza Deischer: I popped up the question, that is enough
    Liza Deischer: I mena not the question to you Bertram, but the question about PaB
    Bertram Jacobus: i also learned already a bit to play more then i did before
    Bertram Jacobus: but my experiences are caused also by pab :o)
    Liza Deischer: h that is interesting Bert
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky for me i don´t mind not understanding what it means to appreaciate all moments of find our budda nature or what it might be called in different traditions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s just the only place where i have ppl who are actually talking about this
    Liza Deischer: Yes, true Yaku
    Bertram Jacobus: and i see that being stuck ... is one aspect of life. that needs a while to come free from some personal habits
    Liza Deischer: I guess that is PaB
    Bertram Jacobus: what exactly ? :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: the question :)
    Bertram Jacobus: possible - whereas ... i like answers :o)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Liza Deischer: coming free from personal habits
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ! :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: (ty) :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: What does Pab cost? ... 25 cents....I only have 24 cents...that's PaB
    Bertram Jacobus: lol
    Bertram Jacobus: "the finger which points to the moon, is not the moon"
    Bertram Jacobus: (but it is at least a finger which points to the moon!) :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: Ok, this was a good session as far as i feel :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to leave :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: so long as we don't get caught up in talking about the finger and whether it is the right one:)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye yaku have a nice day
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
    Liza Deischer: bye Yaku
    Liza Deischer: tc
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye yakuzza
    Archmage Atlantis: Some day our progeny will travel to the stars
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. no shath :o)
    Bertram Jacobus: scath. sry
    Bertram Jacobus: or mankind disappears before again arch
    Bertram Jacobus: oops
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: As who who sees, i see
    Archmage Atlantis: this species will fulfill it's mission
    Archmage Atlantis: Because the are different
    Bertram Jacobus: as one who can´t believe very good, i´m open to such questions - and answers -
    Archmage Atlantis: does not mean they are not our children
    Bertram Jacobus: and i can live with that quite good : open future
    Bertram Jacobus: the world is overcrowded by humans as it seems ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: well I must go, have a good weekend all:)
    Bertram Jacobus: same to you scath
    Liza Deischer: bye scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
    Liza Deischer: same to you
    Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i´ll leave too - ty all ! and may all beings be happy, please ...
    Qt Core: bye bert
    Archmage Atlantis: ich bin ein berliner
    Liza Deischer: bye bert
    Bertram Jacobus: lool
    Archmage Atlantis: night
    Liza Deischer: cu QT
    Qt Core: bye liza

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