2010.02.13 01:00 - Practice

The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

Bertram Jacobus: hello arch ! :-)
Archmage Atlantis: hello bertram :)
Archmage Atlantis: Nice to see you *g*
Bertram Jacobus: ty - you were elsewhere - distracted ? ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: (hehe)
Archmage Atlantis: To lomg a story for here... distracted will do
Bertram Jacobus: do you hide things ? ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: I dom't think so...I just wait for others to tell me they wish to hear
Bertram Jacobus: hi scath :-)
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: long time no see ...
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertram, arch
Bertram Jacobus: guten morgen yaku :-)
Archmage Atlantis: hola Scathach , and Yaku
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: so, you´ve been travelling scath ?
Scathach Rhiadra: just to the west of Ireland for a few days
Bertram Jacobus: but arch : i think : always only short stories - isn´t that a bit facile and boring in the long run perhaps ?
Scathach Rhiadra: not as far as Malta:)
Yakuzza Lethecus: do we have to get that far ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: it was my first flight ever, for example and when i remember right you´ve already been in india ?
Scathach Rhiadra nods yes
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it was a vacation and not a business trip ?
Scathach Rhiadra: yes
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Bertram, but the long run is longer than we imagine
Bertram Jacobus: you never know arch
Archmage Atlantis: smile
Scathach Rhiadra: so has anyone a topic for us this morning?
Archmage Atlantis: In economics
Bertram Jacobus: for example : eternity ? could be long enough ...
Archmage Atlantis: the is a turning point
Archmage Atlantis: No one sees it coming, as economics is based on the past
Bertram Jacobus: ah. no one ? i doubt that
Archmage Atlantis: No logician
Scathach Rhiadra: eternity, could be described as infinitely long time. or maybe timeless?
Archmage Atlantis: See the seers do
Bertram Jacobus: i would accept both scath
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Bertram Jacobus: only 8 minutes passed... ;-)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i like it when the amount of written text is not too much
Bertram Jacobus: hello liza :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: morning liza
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Liza
Liza Deischer: morning all
Archmage Atlantis: elo liza
Bertram Jacobus: nice seat you choosed liza ! :-)
Liza Deischer: sorry?
Bertram Jacobus: nice place, nice spot to sit - always intersting where people sit here ... :-)
Liza Deischer: ah, okay :-)
Bertram Jacobus: :-))
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, the choice
Archmage Atlantis: It tells if one wishes to speak
Archmage Atlantis: Or to hear
Liza Deischer: never noticed
Bertram Jacobus: in which way is that linked arch please ? (!) :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: Is anyone here practicing the 9 seconds or other forms of mediation on a habitual basis ?
Liza Deischer: I only know I'm sitting in between two black men
Liza Deischer: yes
Bertram Jacobus: you know more liza, i´m sure ... ;-)
Liza Deischer: but not very carefully I'm afraid
Bertram Jacobus: same here (meditation practise)
Scathach Rhiadra: yes to Yakuzza, but not enough!
Liza Deischer: why Yaku?
Liza Deischer: Can you tell more?
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: I practice, not always 9/90, as is a teaching method.....
Yakuzza Lethecus: Because i am obviously also struggling, my issue even on this place is that we often loose to focus but then i am in the uncertainty that i know exactly what PaB means and how much we should chat, i am not good in meditating either but since this is the only place where i know ppl to talk about those issues i am obviously supposed to be more patient on the issue that it´s not what i hope it would be often.
Yakuzza Lethecus: not that i would like ppl in an unpleasant stuck situation of formal practice :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i like the chat and onigokko often :)
Archmage Atlantis: Dear Yak, you do practice
Archmage Atlantis: let go of rules and expectations
Yakuzza Lethecus: Yes, to let go of expectations
Liza Deischer: actually, I'm glad you're brining this up Yaku
Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, I don't think anyone will tell you how to practice or meditate here Yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: nods scath, it´s a free aproach :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t want to be the person raising his finger, since i don´t practice often, it´s often just loosing focus for me, but it´s also hard for me to share my own thoughts
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Liza Deischer: well, you're doing a great job today :-)
Bertram Jacobus: but you share them very well right now yaku (?) ty !
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Liza Deischer: but to get back to your question
Archmage Atlantis: yet, you just shared them Yaku
Liza Deischer: because I'm not sure I understand it quite well
Yakuzza Lethecus: brb
Liza Deischer: Are these personal thoughts
Liza Deischer: oh
Liza Deischer: okay :-)
Liza Deischer: then I'll wait
Bertram Jacobus: (lol)
Archmage Atlantis: You cannot wait for Yaku's revelation to experience your own, Liza
Liza Deischer: I would like to now the thoughts that Yaku have on this issue
Liza Deischer: because he is talking about practice and PaB
Liza Deischer: the combination of it
Archmage Atlantis: Yes
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Liza Deischer: and I have my own ideas about that
Archmage Atlantis: they are guideposts
Liza Deischer: so I like to hear more from others
Bertram Jacobus: which ideas please liza ?
Archmage Atlantis: but each entity has a path
Bertram Jacobus: and concerning to what exactly ?
Scathach Rhiadra: Good morning Qt
Qt Core: Hi all
Archmage Atlantis: Namaste QT
Bertram Jacobus: hello qt ... :-)
Liza Deischer: well, sometimes I feel that we more talk about concepts, then about experiences
Liza Deischer: and experiencing comes with the practice
Bertram Jacobus: well put liza
Liza Deischer: I like talking about concepts, don't get me wrong
Scathach Rhiadra: yes I agree Liza
Liza Deischer: but I'm missing something
Liza Deischer: and when the group gets bigger
Archmage Atlantis: smiles
Liza Deischer: we seem to chat more about trivial things
Bertram Jacobus: but the essentials - must be done by one´s own i fear ...
Liza Deischer: that is okay, because that is part of being a group
--BELL--
Liza Deischer: but sometimes I think it is overdone a bit
Bertram Jacobus: i know what you mean and agree so far liza (!) but i think also, accepting what happens is a helpful mean - but may be you do anyway *smile shy* - to me, these meetings here are best i know in the net ... okay : always can get even better ! ... ;-)
Liza Deischer: like it is easier to drift away in chatting
Bertram Jacobus: sure
Liza Deischer: then to focus on what really matters
Bertram Jacobus: not necessairily
Bertram Jacobus: depends on the person
Liza Deischer: true
Bertram Jacobus: some may be quite focussed at being for example
Liza Deischer: I know, some of us has a practice and are very serious working with it
Liza Deischer: but I see also people who are strugling with it
Archmage Atlantis: snile
Liza Deischer: and maybe some people need more
Archmage Atlantis: or smile, as the typing and hands may be
Bertram Jacobus: yes. but i like always to question : what is important ? i guess, that all beings can be happy , in which ways they ever reach that
Liza Deischer: ,to some it is the first time to encounter someting like this
Bertram Jacobus: yes. but the mix of spiritual thoughts here and everyday chat ... i find it ok
Liza Deischer: then that is okay :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and when one shall talk about his experiences - hm - always a bit difficult, because one is said not to be a poser and such, especially not in spiritual relations ...
Scathach Rhiadra nods, and practice is personal
Liza Deischer: Yes, I know that discussion, but i think there is something in between
Bertram Jacobus: what would you like to hear / read then liza and why ?
Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more Liza
Archmage Atlantis: What is that place Liza?
Liza Deischer: that's not so easy to answer
Liza Deischer: but I think that practice is build up in a certain way
Liza Deischer: to achieve certaine things
Liza Deischer: or most of all, not to achieve anything
Bertram Jacobus: i think, there are several ways
Bertram Jacobus: some build up, some jump in
Liza Deischer: It depends on what you want
Liza Deischer: but if it comes to practising
Liza Deischer: I see more psychological movement
Liza Deischer: the really practicing
Liza Deischer: So what is it we want to do here?
Liza Deischer: we talk about practicing
Liza Deischer: we even talk about emptiness
Liza Deischer: but we don't have 'rules' for how to practice
Bertram Jacobus: for me, it´s communication. and sharing. meeting people with similar interests
Liza Deischer: somehow that doesn't fit
Liza Deischer: we try to do too much :-)
Scathach Rhiadra: be all things to all people?
Liza Deischer: sorry Scath, what do you mean?
Liza Deischer: (or not focussing on the practice)
Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes trying to be 'inclusive' means that what one is including everyone in is so broad as to be practically meaningless
Liza Deischer: right
Bertram Jacobus: i like the notion "formal practise" - that shows that there is an "unformal practise" as well - and from that it´s said, taht it was - all.
Liza Deischer: to me there is practice and no practice
--BELL--
Liza Deischer: and the informal practice are psyhological approaches, that's different to me
Archmage Atlantis: Scath - some of us can be that broad....to include all
Bertram Jacobus: sure. but appreciation can include all. as love as well, "for example" - to me that is - very intense - not meaningless
Liza Deischer: of course Arch and some of us can't
Liza Deischer: before anything else
Liza Deischer: we are a group
Liza Deischer: so we need to take considiration in that
Liza Deischer: appreciation is a start of practicing
Bertram Jacobus: i disagree : the order what comes first and second and so on - is various to me
Archmage Atlantis: Yes Liza, exactly to include all is to include those who cannot
Liza Deischer: but leaving as such, it has a psychological effect
Liza Deischer: nothing to do with something like emptiness
Scathach Rhiadra: including all in our own um 'approach' for want of a better word, is not the same as trying to construct an approach that will include all different approaches
Liza Deischer: so what are we doing here?
Archmage Atlantis: Good questiom
Liza Deischer: right Scath
Yakuzza Lethecus: From my feeling this is exactly what pab is about right now :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: asking and sharing these questions
Bertram Jacobus: i, for my part, answered already before : i communicate here, share similar interests, am happy to feel good with all that
Liza Deischer: yes, you did
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Liza Deischer: I can ask the question what it is you want to share?
Bertram Jacobus: and i appreciate very much also the openness here - learned from it already a bit
Liza Deischer: but maybe I should leave it here
Bertram Jacobus: no. every question is always welcome to me
Liza Deischer: I popped up the question, that is enough
Liza Deischer: I mena not the question to you Bertram, but the question about PaB
Bertram Jacobus: i also learned already a bit to play more then i did before
Bertram Jacobus: but my experiences are caused also by pab :o)
Liza Deischer: h that is interesting Bert
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky for me i don´t mind not understanding what it means to appreaciate all moments of find our budda nature or what it might be called in different traditions
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s just the only place where i have ppl who are actually talking about this
Liza Deischer: Yes, true Yaku
Bertram Jacobus: and i see that being stuck ... is one aspect of life. that needs a while to come free from some personal habits
Liza Deischer: I guess that is PaB
Bertram Jacobus: what exactly ? :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: the question :)
Bertram Jacobus: possible - whereas ... i like answers :o)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Liza Deischer: coming free from personal habits
Bertram Jacobus: ah ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: (ty) :-)
Archmage Atlantis: What does Pab cost? ... 25 cents....I only have 24 cents...that's PaB
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Bertram Jacobus: "the finger which points to the moon, is not the moon"
Bertram Jacobus: (but it is at least a finger which points to the moon!) :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: Ok, this was a good session as far as i feel :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to leave :)
Scathach Rhiadra: so long as we don't get caught up in talking about the finger and whether it is the right one:)
Bertram Jacobus: bye yaku have a nice day
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care everyone
Liza Deischer: bye Yaku
Liza Deischer: tc
Scathach Rhiadra: bye yakuzza
Archmage Atlantis: Some day our progeny will travel to the stars
Bertram Jacobus: yes. no shath :o)
Bertram Jacobus: scath. sry
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: or mankind disappears before again arch
Bertram Jacobus: oops
Liza Deischer: :-)
Archmage Atlantis: As who who sees, i see
Archmage Atlantis: this species will fulfill it's mission
Archmage Atlantis: Because the are different
Bertram Jacobus: as one who can´t believe very good, i´m open to such questions - and answers -
Archmage Atlantis: does not mean they are not our children
Bertram Jacobus: and i can live with that quite good : open future
Bertram Jacobus: the world is overcrowded by humans as it seems ...
Scathach Rhiadra: well I must go, have a good weekend all:)
Bertram Jacobus: same to you scath
Liza Deischer: bye scath
Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
Liza Deischer: same to you
Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i´ll leave too - ty all ! and may all beings be happy, please ...
Qt Core: bye bert
Archmage Atlantis: ich bin ein berliner
Liza Deischer: bye bert
Bertram Jacobus: lool
Archmage Atlantis: night
Liza Deischer: cu QT
Qt Core: bye liza