2010.02.16 19:00 - No Time

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.


    In this episode is a little jewel, Paradise uncovering the being of no time


    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: And Storm!
    Paradise Tennant: hiya eos . storm :) gtsy
    Storm Nordwind: Hi both :)
    Paradise Tennant: :) how is everyone tonight :)
    Storm Nordwind: Fine thank you! :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Ditto :-)

    A brief excursion across country boundaries

    Eos Amaterasu: I've been getting into a post-Maltese work rhythm
    Storm Nordwind: How is it different from a pre-Maltese work rhythm?
    Eos Amaterasu: The Maltese are a very ancient people :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Maybe appreciation increases.
    Eos Amaterasu: But also less vacation-time quality
    Storm Nordwind: Some of their attitudes or culture has rubbed off on you perhaps?
    Eos Amaterasu: Being in another country with its own language and land stretches you out
    Paradise Tennant: yes .. always feel bigger after a trip .. the life you come home to seems a bit smaller :)
    Storm Nordwind: You mean challenges you to expand your cozy horizons?
    Eos Amaterasu: And you infuse the life you come back to with that bigger thing
    Storm Nordwind: I wonder if there's a difference between people in mainland Europe - who must do that very regularly - and people from large more monoculture continents
    Paradise Tennant: smiles a big difference I would bet
    Calvino Rabeni: Hell all !
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cal
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal gtsy :)
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Cal... wishing us all away already? ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd buy your tickets, if there were an admission charge :)
    Eos Amaterasu: he doth say hell to paradise
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Eos Amaterasu: micro-cultural environments are fun
    Eos Amaterasu: as in Europe
    Paradise Tennant: yes but .. slowly it is homogenizing too in away .. one currency .. people can work anywhere .. it is changing
    Storm Nordwind: Yes. I remember working for a while near Dusseldorf in Germany...
    Storm Nordwind: We would say after work...
    Paradise Tennant: well change is the constant
    Storm Nordwind: "Where shall we eat tonight?" ...
    Storm Nordwind: Germany, Netherlands...
    Storm Nordwind: Or perhaps Belgium...
    Calvino Rabeni: Which type of beer ?
    Storm Nordwind: and there were couple of other options for Friday night too
    Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... if you want good beer, that cuts down your options!


    Storm Nordwind: Actually it is not really homogenizing in Europe. The opportunities are, sure, but people are becoming MORE conscious in my opinion of what makes their little bit of the world special. So there's more localism brought to people's attention
    Paradise Tennant: nods resistance to the borg :)
    Storm Nordwind: I think pride in one's own identity
    Eos Amaterasu: I hope so. There were a surprising # of MacDonald's in Paris, but it still felt like Paris
    Paradise Tennant: and starbucks!
    Paradise Tennant: no starbucks in italy :)
    Paradise Tennant: but was surprised how .. all sorts of products I buy were available in malta
    Paradise Tennant: in sicily too in rome
    Eos Amaterasu: not always the other way around, though
    Storm Nordwind: I wish I could same the same in DEnver
    Paradise Tennant: all same same
    Eos Amaterasu: have not found those good almond cookies here
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: you miss the beer :)
    Calvino Rabeni: You might not expect it, but Seattle has more japanese fast restaurants than ALL the fast food franchises combined, and few of them franchised
    Storm Nordwind: There are good microbreweries here
    Calvino Rabeni: But it is the home of starbucks
    Paradise Tennant: smiles try the portugese shops .. or italian . there are similar types of almond cookies
    Storm Nordwind: Of course, have to make own bread (with half the amount of sugar in it!)
    Paradise Tennant: lol yes
    Paradise Tennant: altitude .. :)
    Paradise Tennant: baking is such a chemical thing
    Storm Nordwind: No I control that with less yeast and more salt
    Paradise Tennant: ahh
    Paradise Tennant: hmm I have a bread machine and have gone through a whole variety of themes with it ...now mostly hearth breads :) and very simple bartards :)
    Paradise Tennant: bartardes opps
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: taste is one thing SL lacks
    Eos Amaterasu: (taste as in taste)
    Storm Nordwind: In how many senses of the word Eos?
    Paradise Tennant: hands you a virtual almond cookie :)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: In terms of style, your may be mostly right, but there are certain locations that have a distinctive sense of style

    Paradise listens to a teaching on no time

    Paradise Tennant: was listening to a very good teaching by dzongsar rinpoche on no time .. been listening to it repeatedly trying to understand it ..ends up being quite simple :)

    Storm Nordwind: You want to reveal the secret Paradise? :)
    Eos Amaterasu listens, waits....
    Paradise Tennant: hmm ponders lol

    Paradise Tennant: buddha nature .. which every sentient being has
    Paradise Tennant: neither is born nor dies
    Paradise Tennant: it is beyond time beyond duality
    Paradise Tennant: once we allow our obstructions to drop we will see what is already there . .then even the path falls away
    Paradise Tennant: so in point of fact time does not really exist

    Paradise Tennant: it is a relative .. organization set of our senses
    Paradise Tennant: like depth perception ..we have a time perception

    Paradise Tennant: if we could trust .. these statement profoundly we could be enlighted .. which we already are .. vey easily but very difficult to trust

    Eos Amaterasu beams

    Paradise Tennant: we seek change .. something different we want something to happen lol :)

    Storm Nordwind remembers waking up one morning at an empowerment retreat and suddenly realizing time was just an imputation and then ripping the common notions of time with simple madhyamika logic. But don't ask me to repeat it now!
    Gavin Scarfould: is this meditation?
    Eos Amaterasu: Oh, hi Gavin, I'll give you a notecard...


    Gavin Scarfould: thanks Eos

    Eos Amaterasu: Paradise, this sounds like quite a breakthrough!
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm not sure it is a break through .. but I see the logic :) on that note .. knowing there is no time lol I am going to scoot ..still have to walk the dog ..do the dishes .. sigh and get up very early thanks everyone :) good night all :)
    Paradise Tennant: :) namaste
    Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, Paradise!
    Gavin Scarfould: bye paradise
    Storm Nordwind: Bye paradise
    Eos Amaterasu: /||\

    Gavin Scarfould: what's an imputation?
    Storm Nordwind: Oh Gavin... an imputation is just a meaning or understanding that you ascribe to something
    Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, the chat here is recorded and put on our wiki - is that okay with you?
    Eos Amaterasu: Color commentary :-)
    Gavin Scarfould: yes
    Gavin Scarfould: so it's like an analogy?
    Storm Nordwind: Hmm... not as such...
    Storm Nordwind: it might be as simple as a rule of thumb for understanding something... or it might be something that's very practical or a way of getting over something impractical
    Storm Nordwind does not have his dictionary in gear tonight!
    Eos Amaterasu: the imputed part of reality is mostly the part over-contributed by you
    Eos Amaterasu: putting your spin on reality
    Gavin Scarfould: isn't that everything, though?
    Eos Amaterasu: I'm afraid so, Gavin (he said somberly :-)
    Gavin Scarfould: a single particle or wave of light doesn't have to be seen
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Gavin Scarfould: i'm pretty sure they could be felt if that's how we want to interpret them
    Storm Nordwind: That's a good example
    Storm Nordwind: We find it practical to impute color or somesuch to them. But their reality can be quite different
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd say - not everything is imputed, but its a mix, that can't really be sorted out by parts
    Gavin Scarfould: yeah it's like, a flower can look a certain color to me but to a different animal its different
    Eos Amaterasu: things are not random, even sans our imputations reality is not crazy
    Calvino Rabeni: Very "fractal" - at every object and location there's a partly subjective component
    Storm Nordwind: Well, we know the nervous pattern or received wavelengths may be different, but we can't really be sure what the sensations are to the animal
    Gavin Scarfould: some animals see with sound
    Gavin Scarfould: I saw a documentary where dolfphis could see inside boxes because they could use sound to supplement their vision
    Gavin Scarfould: which is pretty neat!
    Eos Amaterasu: Kurt Godel felt that mathematical perceptions were just as real as auditory, etc
    Gavin Scarfould: so, yeah there's something there, that can't be argued.
    Gavin Scarfould: so I guess that's the objectivity
    Calvino Rabeni: Some people think there is perception prior to formation of concepts, but I think that's debatable
    Gavin Scarfould: but if it has any meaning I guess that's the argument
    Gavin Scarfould: you mean if matter creates conciousness or if matter exists because of conciousness?
    Calvino Rabeni: I meant, more like, do people have completely "raw" perceptions before they layer in the meaning
    Calvino Rabeni: On the second question that is interesting too
    Eos Amaterasu: How that for a topic for the next 90 second interval (coming up in 2 minutes)?
    Storm Nordwind: Do you think babies have concepts too, but it seems as though perception may possibly be raw?
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't think either extreme really holds up regarding "which came first, matter or consciousness"
    Gavin Scarfould: concepts seem to be automatic
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I think babies have them
    Eos Amaterasu: "no matter, never mind"
    Gavin Scarfould: ahhhaha
    Gavin Scarfould: Eos made a funny


    Calvino Rabeni: And I think some concepts are based on the physical design - in that sense, "hardwired" in that there's not so much flexibility or variation
    Storm Nordwind believes it is sometimes possible to experience without conception (though I guess we normally don't) but had long fruitless debates about this with one Buddhist nun ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: There seems to be "activation", followed by a concept/perception cascade (from last 90 secs)
    Gavin Scarfould: well, I think we can quantify with out "knowing math"
    Gavin Scarfould: the cencept of "me" is something kids have to figure out too
    Calvino Rabeni: A lot more is known about it than in past times, at least on the level of physical correlates of cognition
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a little like physics looking inside matter, or figuring out what happened during the big bang
    Calvino Rabeni: Because the introspection and observation are famously difficult
    Calvino Rabeni: given that the "instrument" is slower than the thing being observed (in classic introspection)
    Eos Amaterasu: who's being slower?
    Calvino Rabeni: You have a dream, form a concept, in almost an instant, then how can the slow process of thinking form accurate models of that, since it is itself affected
    Calvino Rabeni: Rational thinking, formation of ideas and concepts vetted against social considerations and history, is a slow process
    Calvino Rabeni: too slow to "catch perception in the act"
    Calvino Rabeni: memory is unreliable, many aspects of mind are not directly observable to consciousness
    Calvino Rabeni: it is just a pretty poor "instrument" for self observation, for various reasons
    Eos Amaterasu: too bad it's the only one :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Getting scientific instruments into the task will help and be influential, in the future
    Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, did you come to Play as Being by accident, or was it part of a search?
    Calvino Rabeni: I think we're at the beginning of a new phase - paradigm shift or whatever -

    Gavin slumps over

    Eos Amaterasu: (that was a knockout question)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Well, I don't think that most of science yet recognizes that it sits inside questions of its own making
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps even software systems - web 3.0 and beyond - will shift the understanding of consciousness in a beneficial way
    Eos Amaterasu: I hope so
    Calvino Rabeni: A valid issue, Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: notion of benefit needs questioning
    Eos Amaterasu: symbiotic software that cares
    Eos Amaterasu: "all watched over by machines of loving grace"
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, you've heard about the "global brain" metaphor perhaps
    Eos Amaterasu: but that needs to be right in the language of the code
    Calvino Rabeni: Now some are considering, could there ba a "global heart"
    Calvino Rabeni: No it doesn't need to be in the code, that is the point
    Calvino Rabeni: It will *never* be in the code.
    Calvino Rabeni: That is where traditional AI went astray
    Eos Amaterasu: its call-by-future is us
    Eos Amaterasu: we don't know from whence is our call-by-future
    Eos Amaterasu: (which brings it back to Paradise on timelessness)
    Calvino Rabeni: That's interesting eos, I never heard the term before


    Eos Amaterasu: oh, it comes from "call-by-value", "call-by-reference", "call by wirth" :-) re "futures" in programming parallel systems
    Eos Amaterasu: ultimate pass-the-buck of software is to us
    Eos Amaterasu: that's what needs to be DNA'd in
    Eos Amaterasu: that way it works analogously to the way we work
    Eos Amaterasu: intentionality is call-by-future
    Calvino Rabeni: Teleology or something
    Eos Amaterasu: we don't know who we pass the buck to
    Eos Amaterasu: do we?
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, basically, getting back to perception, as a process it is not at all about accurate perception in the moment
    Storm Nordwind will slip away and do some urgent land mainenance
    Calvino Rabeni: it is about making partly right anticipations of future events
    Eos Amaterasu: Ciao Storm
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Calvino Rabeni: and marshalling the discrepancies to hide them
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Storm
    Eos Amaterasu: perception is activated by us actively
    Calvino Rabeni: well that's intersting too - there doesn't seem to be a ghost in the machine, an observing homunculus or Wizard of Oz.
    Calvino Rabeni: No puppet master
    Eos Amaterasu: no puppet
    Calvino Rabeni: The sense of self is also the same business of forward projection
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: you forward project the words of your sentences
    Calvino Rabeni: If it is a puppet, it pulls its own strings, with a little help from the rest of the entire universe :)
    Eos Amaterasu: entropy must be obeyed!
    Calvino Rabeni: Some life forms are pretty good at gaming the entropy system
    Eos Amaterasu: that's the name of the game
    Calvino Rabeni: Recent findings about quantum effects in photosynthesis were intriguing
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: how light transmits
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, it's unreasonably efficient :)
    Eos Amaterasu: it's more than that
    Calvino Rabeni: But if there's a way, leave it to "life" to discover it.
    Calvino Rabeni: Say more about more :)
    Eos Amaterasu: there's no time until decoherence happens
    Eos Amaterasu: millions of worlds died to bring you this moment
    Calvino Rabeni: I always thought that was a kind of conceit - it is not the only interpretation of QM but seems the most dramatic. Maybe that accounts for its popularity?
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course the one we need to discuss this, isn't here right now.
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: But taking that as an analogy - the worlds that died weren't actually "living" either!
    Calvino Rabeni: They were stuck in endless possibility
    Eos Amaterasu: true, or more probably, exactly!
    Eos Amaterasu: there is actuality, but it's hard to say what it is

    "Give up everything - that's the whole point."

    Gavin Scarfould: so what should I learn about not knowing very much? I feel like I cant break through any truly unique ideas
    Eos Amaterasu: give up all ideas
    Eos Amaterasu: really
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Gavin Scarfould: that's a good option
    Eos Amaterasu: let's try it


    Gavin Scarfould: once everything is gone won't I start by thinking "where di everything go?"
    Eos Amaterasu: How was that?
    Gavin Scarfould: didn't work :(
    Gavin Scarfould: i'm still here
    Eos Amaterasu: he heh
    Eos Amaterasu: so what happened?
    Gavin Scarfould: right now happened
    Calvino Rabeni: What happened was the experience of having no thoughts, which is itself a thought.

    Gavin Scarfould: you kinda learn to ignore most things so it's easy to say "nothing happened"

    Gavin Scarfould: nah I didn't get to no thoughts at all
    Gavin Scarfould: not even close
    Eos Amaterasu: me too
    Calvino Rabeni: Just a temporary rearrangement.
    Gavin Scarfould: I'm guessing probably the closest you can get to is playing with two thoughts
    Eos Amaterasu: and there's always those birds!
    Calvino Rabeni: The question is, what makes this a worthwhile thing to attempt?
    Gavin Scarfould: if you can concentrate on just two thoughts, or 3
    Eos Amaterasu: I think trying to attain "no thought" is somewhat artificial
    Gavin Scarfould: yeah, one idea and either leaving it or picking it up
    Eos Amaterasu: it's not the normal state
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I see it as a kind of metaphor
    Gavin Scarfould: and if you just hold the thought or let it go and hold it again as it goes then you're pretty damn close to nothing
    Eos Amaterasu: you can do it literally for a while
    Eos Amaterasu: but it misses the point
    Calvino Rabeni: And being "abnormal" isn't necessarily the point either
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: makes for better movies, though
    Gavin Scarfould: so how do we know we're thinking?
    Calvino Rabeni: What's the point - and I mean that in a "positive" way?
    Eos Amaterasu: thinking usually hits you on the head
    Gavin Scarfould: have you ever had a problem you have to solve and you kinda leave it for later, then during dinner you're talking to friends and yu're trying to explain something to someone
    Eos Amaterasu: the point - aha
    Eos Amaterasu: (call-by-future sneaks in....)
    Calvino Rabeni: Depending on your notion of "thinking" it may be extremely subtle
    Eos Amaterasu: how do we know this is a good questino?
    Gavin Scarfould: so while you're thinking suddenly the answer to that other problem kinda hovers in to view and you're like "OH! I think i figured something out" but you weren't actively thinking about it?
    Eos Amaterasu: (fundamental particle - questino)
    Calvino Rabeni: Well in that example, we "trust" the idea to pop out at some reasonably future time
    Eos Amaterasu: yeah, space gets pregnant
    Gavin Scarfould: where does the problem go when I don't think about it?
    Gavin Scarfould: and how did I solve it?
    Eos Amaterasu: you didn't
    Calvino Rabeni: Knowledge gets pregnant too
    Eos Amaterasu: I hope so
    Calvino Rabeni: Well, neurons keep churning away behind the scenes, they just don't give any status updates for a while
    Calvino Rabeni: LIke employees who don't want to be micro-managed
    Eos Amaterasu: yeah, we live in a whole matrix of such sustaining neurons
    Calvino Rabeni: but the Big Boss
    Eos Amaterasu: all are our mothers
    Calvino Rabeni: The "Big Boss" really doesn't have much control over what the smart guys do in the back office
    Eos Amaterasu: Big Boss in his own mind only
    Calvino Rabeni: Likes to fantasize that he does, however :)
    Gavin Scarfould: it would be cool if I could chill somewhere while my brain does all my work for me
    Calvino Rabeni: You do - it is called "intuition"
    Gavin Scarfould: yeah but they should just hook up part of my brain to a computer where it'll write all y emails and do all my coding and solve all the problems and balance the check book while I don't think about that and just ride my skateboard at the beach
    Calvino Rabeni: How many people, I wonder, would like to be a cyborg, with technoid implants?
    Gavin Scarfould: I say "they" because I'm too lazy to even begin to learn how to do that or if it's possible :-P
    Eos Amaterasu ponders technoid implants :-)
    Gavin Scarfould: cyborgs would be cool but I just don't want to have to worry about work
    Calvino Rabeni: Memory prosthetic, for instance
    Gavin Scarfould: I just want things to get done while I enjoy other parts of life
    Eos Amaterasu: that already happens to a large extent
    Calvino Rabeni: It would be easier to have a bot do your work, than get the mods
    Gavin Scarfould: work getting done?
    Gavin Scarfould: yeah they'll be like a robot slave race
    Eos Amaterasu: 99.99% of you is already done for you
    Gavin Scarfould: I think people are already forming robot rights movements
    Calvino Rabeni: I have little doubt, you 'd notice the drain on your awareness
    Gavin Scarfould: wowowow, Eos, what do you mean that's an incredibly cool statement
    Calvino Rabeni: with these background tasks running
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Sho' 'nuff


    Eos Amaterasu: billions of years of evolution conspired to bring you here, and it's all got background tasks running :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Your gut, for example, has the brainpower approximately of a cat - and for the main part, just gets things done without bothering you
    Calvino Rabeni: But yes, Eos, the processing is mostly outside the body
    Gavin Scarfould: holy shit, you're right!
    Eos Amaterasu: ahem :-)
    Gavin Scarfould: so you're saying i came pre-packaged?
    Eos Amaterasu: we come with a huge amount of living context
    Eos Amaterasu: just being able to see these green grasses around this pavilion
    Calvino Rabeni: Photosynthesis, converting solar energy - hey not problem, already delegated to plants

    Gavin Scarfould: so how do I enjoy it more?
    Eos Amaterasu: aha!
    Gavin Scarfould: I think that's realy my ultimate question
    Eos Amaterasu: appreciate it
    Gavin Scarfould: I'm a pretty happy guy but I'm a sucker for optimization
    Calvino Rabeni: Appreciation - probably preceded by attention
    Eos Amaterasu: each tiny detail
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course, at first it will seem meaningless, pointless
    Calvino Rabeni: But that's because of the utility programming
    Calvino Rabeni: Optimization - technology itself perhaps - is a strategy for concealment of the actual source of what happens, showing only the functional result
    Calvino Rabeni: And, we are naturally as programmed as our machines
    Calvino Rabeni: So looking inside the machine is normally what people do when it is broken
    Gavin Scarfould: so what's driving this processes do you think?
    Calvino Rabeni: in order to fix it and get it working again
    Gavin Scarfould: if it doesn't have a goal it sure seems to be doing a good job at improving things
    Calvino Rabeni: so then it can be forgotten again
    Calvino Rabeni: It's self-driving, apparently
    Calvino Rabeni: And doesn't seem to have a goal to make us all happy
    Calvino Rabeni: mainly just to survive
    Eos Amaterasu: we're at one of those points where the machine is broken and must introspect
    Calvino Rabeni: Especially now, Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: we're breaking our own cycle of life
    Calvino Rabeni: At the eco-level - right
    Eos Amaterasu: so need to become more aware of how we affect, de-stabilize, stabilize
    Gavin Scarfould: who knows maybe our idea of heaven or that experience of oneness to the universe is the blueprint of our goal?
    Calvino Rabeni: Handy as it is, technology gets the credit for the lack of awareness
    Calvino Rabeni: Maybe a goal, or maybe the carrot ahead of the donkey on the stick?
    Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, that idea or experience is the hint we're already connected with what we want
    Calvino Rabeni: It is hard to distinguish
    Eos Amaterasu: but it's our lack of awareness
    Gavin Scarfould: what we want might not exist, maybe it's just a model that's been passed down
    Eos Amaterasu: we write the simple equation for our financial system: amt_tomorrow > amt_today
    Gavin Scarfould: genetic heritage?
    Calvino Rabeni: Some things perhaps, like wanting to eat too much fat or sweets
    Gavin Scarfould: we build plans during our life time for buildings and other technology
    Gavin Scarfould: maybe at some point there was this ultumate plan that would require many generations to accomplish

    Eos Amaterasu: we don't really know why we're here
    Eos Amaterasu: that's why we're here (at Play as Being) :-)

    Gavin Scarfould: i'm not saying we're here for that
    Gavin Scarfould: I'm thinking at some point evolution's like "well, we're here so we might as well do THIS"
    Eos Amaterasu: sounds like a plan :-)
    Gavin Scarfould: we're not here to make music but there's plenty of musicians because music is enjoyable
    Gavin Scarfould: that's probbly the most comforting idea to me, the fact there's no purpose yet we can do stuff!
    Gavin Scarfould: it's like youre handed life and you're like "what do I do with this" and the answer is "what ever!"
    Eos Amaterasu: purpose vs no-purpose dissolve
    Eos Amaterasu: you are the porpoise of life
    Gavin Scarfould: ha! we were born at the result?
    Gavin Scarfould: the purpose of life is YOU Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Ack! Me?


    Gavin Scarfould: yes!
    Gavin Scarfould: now make us proud!
    Gavin Scarfould: do something cool Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: 
    Gavin Scarfould: lol
    Gavin Scarfould: millions of years of evolusion and this is what we get?
    Gavin Scarfould: oh whell, lets keep going :-P
    Gavin Scarfould: this being stuff is pretty cool
    Gavin Scarfould: I think I'm gettin the hang of it
    Gavin Scarfould: OOPS
    Gavin Scarfould: I talked when I wasn't supposed to
    Gavin Scarfould: sorry

    "Ain't it just like the night to play tricks when you're tryin' to be so quiet?"
    Eos Amaterasu: the silence tricked you
    Gavin Scarfould: hehehe
    Eos Amaterasu: it does that, you know
    Calvino Rabeni: NP.
    Gavin Scarfould: i'm easilly fooled

    Eos Amaterasu: makes everything you say louder
    Eos Amaterasu: makes perceptions brighter

    Calvino Rabeni: Anyway, I'm pretty satisfied with "Eos" as the avatar of meaning and purpose of evolution :)
    Eos Amaterasu: the kind of enjoyment you just talked aboiut
    Gavin Scarfould: I was being outloud :-P
    Gavin Scarfould: me too!
    Eos Amaterasu: Ha ha
    Gavin Scarfould: ok on behalf of humanity I say we're done. Eos is the meaning and purpose of existence
    Gavin Scarfould: we've figured it out
    Eos Amaterasu: revisionism!
    Eos Amaterasu: anti-integerian infidel - it's 42!
    Eos Amaterasu: Okay gang, I gotta go - pretty late-ish, here
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Calvino and Gavin!
    Gavin Scarfould: bye Eos thanks for keeping evolution going
    Eos Amaterasu: it's a tough job
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah same here, glad you stopped by Gavin
    Calvino Rabeni: BFN
    Gavin Scarfould: thanks Calvino
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