The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.
In this episode is a little jewel, Paradise uncovering the being of no time
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise
Eos Amaterasu: And Storm!
Paradise Tennant: hiya eos . storm :) gtsy
Storm Nordwind: Hi both :)
Paradise Tennant: :) how is everyone tonight :)
Storm Nordwind: Fine thank you! :)
Eos Amaterasu: Ditto :-)
A brief excursion across country boundaries
Eos Amaterasu: I've been getting into a post-Maltese work rhythm
Storm Nordwind: How is it different from a pre-Maltese work rhythm?
Eos Amaterasu: The Maltese are a very ancient people :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Maybe appreciation increases.
Eos Amaterasu: But also less vacation-time quality
Storm Nordwind: Some of their attitudes or culture has rubbed off on you perhaps?
Eos Amaterasu: Being in another country with its own language and land stretches you out
Paradise Tennant: yes .. always feel bigger after a trip .. the life you come home to seems a bit smaller :)
Storm Nordwind: You mean challenges you to expand your cozy horizons?
Eos Amaterasu: And you infuse the life you come back to with that bigger thing
Storm Nordwind: I wonder if there's a difference between people in mainland Europe - who must do that very regularly - and people from large more monoculture continents
Paradise Tennant: smiles a big difference I would bet
Calvino Rabeni: Hell all !
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cal
Paradise Tennant: hiya cal gtsy :)
Storm Nordwind: Hi Cal... wishing us all away already? ;)
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Calvino Rabeni: I'd buy your tickets, if there were an admission charge :)
Eos Amaterasu: he doth say hell to paradise
Paradise Tennant: lol
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Eos Amaterasu: micro-cultural environments are fun
Eos Amaterasu: as in Europe
Paradise Tennant: yes but .. slowly it is homogenizing too in away .. one currency .. people can work anywhere .. it is changing
Storm Nordwind: Yes. I remember working for a while near Dusseldorf in Germany...
Storm Nordwind: We would say after work...
Paradise Tennant: well change is the constant
Storm Nordwind: "Where shall we eat tonight?" ...
Storm Nordwind: Germany, Netherlands...
Storm Nordwind: Or perhaps Belgium...
Calvino Rabeni: Which type of beer ?
Storm Nordwind: and there were couple of other options for Friday night too
Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... if you want good beer, that cuts down your options!
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind: Actually it is not really homogenizing in Europe. The opportunities are, sure, but people are becoming MORE conscious in my opinion of what makes their little bit of the world special. So there's more localism brought to people's attention
Paradise Tennant: nods resistance to the borg :)
Storm Nordwind: I think pride in one's own identity
Eos Amaterasu: I hope so. There were a surprising # of MacDonald's in Paris, but it still felt like Paris
Paradise Tennant: and starbucks!
Paradise Tennant: no starbucks in italy :)
Paradise Tennant: but was surprised how .. all sorts of products I buy were available in malta
Paradise Tennant: in sicily too in rome
Eos Amaterasu: not always the other way around, though
Storm Nordwind: I wish I could same the same in DEnver
Paradise Tennant: all same same
Eos Amaterasu: have not found those good almond cookies here
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: you miss the beer :)
Calvino Rabeni: You might not expect it, but Seattle has more japanese fast restaurants than ALL the fast food franchises combined, and few of them franchised
Storm Nordwind: There are good microbreweries here
Calvino Rabeni: But it is the home of starbucks
Paradise Tennant: smiles try the portugese shops .. or italian . there are similar types of almond cookies
Storm Nordwind: Of course, have to make own bread (with half the amount of sugar in it!)
Paradise Tennant: lol yes
Paradise Tennant: altitude .. :)
Paradise Tennant: baking is such a chemical thing
Storm Nordwind: No I control that with less yeast and more salt
Paradise Tennant: ahh
Paradise Tennant: hmm I have a bread machine and have gone through a whole variety of themes with it ...now mostly hearth breads :) and very simple bartards :)
Paradise Tennant: bartardes opps
Paradise Tennant: ;)
Eos Amaterasu: taste is one thing SL lacks
Eos Amaterasu: (taste as in taste)
Storm Nordwind: In how many senses of the word Eos?
Paradise Tennant: hands you a virtual almond cookie :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Calvino Rabeni: In terms of style, your may be mostly right, but there are certain locations that have a distinctive sense of style
Paradise listens to a teaching on no time
Paradise Tennant: was listening to a very good teaching by dzongsar rinpoche on no time .. been listening to it repeatedly trying to understand it ..ends up being quite simple :)
Storm Nordwind: You want to reveal the secret Paradise? :)
Eos Amaterasu listens, waits....
Paradise Tennant: hmm ponders lol
Paradise Tennant: buddha nature .. which every sentient being has
Paradise Tennant: neither is born nor dies
Paradise Tennant: it is beyond time beyond duality
Paradise Tennant: once we allow our obstructions to drop we will see what is already there . .then even the path falls away
Paradise Tennant: so in point of fact time does not really exist
Paradise Tennant: it is a relative .. organization set of our senses
Paradise Tennant: like depth perception ..we have a time perception
Paradise Tennant: if we could trust .. these statement profoundly we could be enlighted .. which we already are .. vey easily but very difficult to trust
Eos Amaterasu beams
Paradise Tennant: we seek change .. something different we want something to happen lol :)
Storm Nordwind remembers waking up one morning at an empowerment retreat and suddenly realizing time was just an imputation and then ripping the common notions of time with simple madhyamika logic. But don't ask me to repeat it now!
Gavin Scarfould: is this meditation?
Eos Amaterasu: Oh, hi Gavin, I'll give you a notecard...
--BELL--
Gavin Scarfould: thanks Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Paradise, this sounds like quite a breakthrough!
Paradise Tennant: hmmm not sure it is a break through .. but I see the logic :) on that note .. knowing there is no time lol I am going to scoot ..still have to walk the dog ..do the dishes .. sigh and get up very early thanks everyone :) good night all :)
Paradise Tennant: :) namaste
Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, Paradise!
Gavin Scarfould: bye paradise
Storm Nordwind: Bye paradise
Eos Amaterasu: /||\
Gavin Scarfould: what's an imputation?
Storm Nordwind: Oh Gavin... an imputation is just a meaning or understanding that you ascribe to something
Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, the chat here is recorded and put on our wiki - is that okay with you?
Eos Amaterasu: Color commentary :-)
Gavin Scarfould: yes
Gavin Scarfould: so it's like an analogy?
Storm Nordwind: Hmm... not as such...
Storm Nordwind: it might be as simple as a rule of thumb for understanding something... or it might be something that's very practical or a way of getting over something impractical
Storm Nordwind does not have his dictionary in gear tonight!
Eos Amaterasu: the imputed part of reality is mostly the part over-contributed by you
Eos Amaterasu: putting your spin on reality
Gavin Scarfould: isn't that everything, though?
Eos Amaterasu: I'm afraid so, Gavin (he said somberly :-)
Gavin Scarfould: a single particle or wave of light doesn't have to be seen
Storm Nordwind nods
Gavin Scarfould: i'm pretty sure they could be felt if that's how we want to interpret them
Storm Nordwind: That's a good example
Storm Nordwind: We find it practical to impute color or somesuch to them. But their reality can be quite different
Calvino Rabeni: I'd say - not everything is imputed, but its a mix, that can't really be sorted out by parts
Gavin Scarfould: yeah it's like, a flower can look a certain color to me but to a different animal its different
Eos Amaterasu: things are not random, even sans our imputations reality is not crazy
Calvino Rabeni: Very "fractal" - at every object and location there's a partly subjective component
Storm Nordwind: Well, we know the nervous pattern or received wavelengths may be different, but we can't really be sure what the sensations are to the animal
Gavin Scarfould: some animals see with sound
Gavin Scarfould: I saw a documentary where dolfphis could see inside boxes because they could use sound to supplement their vision
Gavin Scarfould: which is pretty neat!
Eos Amaterasu: Kurt Godel felt that mathematical perceptions were just as real as auditory, etc
Gavin Scarfould: so, yeah there's something there, that can't be argued.
Gavin Scarfould: so I guess that's the objectivity
Calvino Rabeni: Some people think there is perception prior to formation of concepts, but I think that's debatable
Gavin Scarfould: but if it has any meaning I guess that's the argument
Gavin Scarfould: you mean if matter creates conciousness or if matter exists because of conciousness?
Calvino Rabeni: I meant, more like, do people have completely "raw" perceptions before they layer in the meaning
Calvino Rabeni: On the second question that is interesting too
Eos Amaterasu: How that for a topic for the next 90 second interval (coming up in 2 minutes)?
Storm Nordwind: Do you think babies have concepts too, but it seems as though perception may possibly be raw?
Calvino Rabeni: I don't think either extreme really holds up regarding "which came first, matter or consciousness"
Gavin Scarfould: concepts seem to be automatic
Calvino Rabeni: Yes I think babies have them
Eos Amaterasu: "no matter, never mind"
Gavin Scarfould: ahhhaha
Gavin Scarfould: Eos made a funny
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: And I think some concepts are based on the physical design - in that sense, "hardwired" in that there's not so much flexibility or variation
Storm Nordwind believes it is sometimes possible to experience without conception (though I guess we normally don't) but had long fruitless debates about this with one Buddhist nun ;)
Eos Amaterasu: There seems to be "activation", followed by a concept/perception cascade (from last 90 secs)
Gavin Scarfould: well, I think we can quantify with out "knowing math"
Gavin Scarfould: the cencept of "me" is something kids have to figure out too
Calvino Rabeni: A lot more is known about it than in past times, at least on the level of physical correlates of cognition
Calvino Rabeni: It is a little like physics looking inside matter, or figuring out what happened during the big bang
Calvino Rabeni: Because the introspection and observation are famously difficult
Calvino Rabeni: given that the "instrument" is slower than the thing being observed (in classic introspection)
Eos Amaterasu: who's being slower?
Calvino Rabeni: You have a dream, form a concept, in almost an instant, then how can the slow process of thinking form accurate models of that, since it is itself affected
Calvino Rabeni: Rational thinking, formation of ideas and concepts vetted against social considerations and history, is a slow process
Calvino Rabeni: too slow to "catch perception in the act"
Calvino Rabeni: memory is unreliable, many aspects of mind are not directly observable to consciousness
Calvino Rabeni: it is just a pretty poor "instrument" for self observation, for various reasons
Eos Amaterasu: too bad it's the only one :-)
Calvino Rabeni: Getting scientific instruments into the task will help and be influential, in the future
Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, did you come to Play as Being by accident, or was it part of a search?
Calvino Rabeni: I think we're at the beginning of a new phase - paradigm shift or whatever -
Gavin slumps over
Eos Amaterasu: (that was a knockout question)
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Well, I don't think that most of science yet recognizes that it sits inside questions of its own making
Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps even software systems - web 3.0 and beyond - will shift the understanding of consciousness in a beneficial way
Eos Amaterasu: I hope so
Calvino Rabeni: A valid issue, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: notion of benefit needs questioning
Eos Amaterasu: symbiotic software that cares
Eos Amaterasu: "all watched over by machines of loving grace"
Calvino Rabeni: Well, you've heard about the "global brain" metaphor perhaps
Eos Amaterasu: but that needs to be right in the language of the code
Calvino Rabeni: Now some are considering, could there ba a "global heart"
Calvino Rabeni: No it doesn't need to be in the code, that is the point
Calvino Rabeni: It will *never* be in the code.
Calvino Rabeni: That is where traditional AI went astray
Eos Amaterasu: its call-by-future is us
Eos Amaterasu: we don't know from whence is our call-by-future
Eos Amaterasu: (which brings it back to Paradise on timelessness)
Calvino Rabeni: That's interesting eos, I never heard the term before
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: oh, it comes from "call-by-value", "call-by-reference", "call by wirth" :-) re "futures" in programming parallel systems
Eos Amaterasu: ultimate pass-the-buck of software is to us
Eos Amaterasu: that's what needs to be DNA'd in
Eos Amaterasu: that way it works analogously to the way we work
Eos Amaterasu: intentionality is call-by-future
Calvino Rabeni: Teleology or something
Eos Amaterasu: we don't know who we pass the buck to
Eos Amaterasu: do we?
Calvino Rabeni: Well, basically, getting back to perception, as a process it is not at all about accurate perception in the moment
Storm Nordwind will slip away and do some urgent land mainenance
Calvino Rabeni: it is about making partly right anticipations of future events
Eos Amaterasu: Ciao Storm
Storm Nordwind waves
Calvino Rabeni: and marshalling the discrepancies to hide them
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Storm
Eos Amaterasu: perception is activated by us actively
Calvino Rabeni: well that's intersting too - there doesn't seem to be a ghost in the machine, an observing homunculus or Wizard of Oz.
Calvino Rabeni: No puppet master
Eos Amaterasu: no puppet
Calvino Rabeni: The sense of self is also the same business of forward projection
Eos Amaterasu: yes
Eos Amaterasu: you forward project the words of your sentences
Calvino Rabeni: If it is a puppet, it pulls its own strings, with a little help from the rest of the entire universe :)
Eos Amaterasu: entropy must be obeyed!
Calvino Rabeni: Some life forms are pretty good at gaming the entropy system
Eos Amaterasu: that's the name of the game
Calvino Rabeni: Recent findings about quantum effects in photosynthesis were intriguing
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: how light transmits
Calvino Rabeni: Sure, it's unreasonably efficient :)
Eos Amaterasu: it's more than that
Calvino Rabeni: But if there's a way, leave it to "life" to discover it.
Calvino Rabeni: Say more about more :)
Eos Amaterasu: there's no time until decoherence happens
Eos Amaterasu: millions of worlds died to bring you this moment
Calvino Rabeni: I always thought that was a kind of conceit - it is not the only interpretation of QM but seems the most dramatic. Maybe that accounts for its popularity?
Calvino Rabeni: Of course the one we need to discuss this, isn't here right now.
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Calvino Rabeni: But taking that as an analogy - the worlds that died weren't actually "living" either!
Calvino Rabeni: They were stuck in endless possibility
Eos Amaterasu: true, or more probably, exactly!
Eos Amaterasu: there is actuality, but it's hard to say what it is
"Give up everything - that's the whole point."
Gavin Scarfould: so what should I learn about not knowing very much? I feel like I cant break through any truly unique ideas
Eos Amaterasu: give up all ideas
Eos Amaterasu: really
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Gavin Scarfould: that's a good option
Eos Amaterasu: let's try it
--BELL--
Gavin Scarfould: once everything is gone won't I start by thinking "where di everything go?"
Eos Amaterasu: How was that?
Gavin Scarfould: didn't work :(
Gavin Scarfould: i'm still here
Eos Amaterasu: he heh
Eos Amaterasu: so what happened?
Gavin Scarfould: right now happened
Calvino Rabeni: What happened was the experience of having no thoughts, which is itself a thought.
Gavin Scarfould: you kinda learn to ignore most things so it's easy to say "nothing happened"
Gavin Scarfould: nah I didn't get to no thoughts at all
Gavin Scarfould: not even close
Eos Amaterasu: me too
Calvino Rabeni: Just a temporary rearrangement.
Gavin Scarfould: I'm guessing probably the closest you can get to is playing with two thoughts
Eos Amaterasu: and there's always those birds!
Calvino Rabeni: The question is, what makes this a worthwhile thing to attempt?
Gavin Scarfould: if you can concentrate on just two thoughts, or 3
Eos Amaterasu: I think trying to attain "no thought" is somewhat artificial
Gavin Scarfould: yeah, one idea and either leaving it or picking it up
Eos Amaterasu: it's not the normal state
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I see it as a kind of metaphor
Gavin Scarfould: and if you just hold the thought or let it go and hold it again as it goes then you're pretty damn close to nothing
Eos Amaterasu: you can do it literally for a while
Eos Amaterasu: but it misses the point
Calvino Rabeni: And being "abnormal" isn't necessarily the point either
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: makes for better movies, though
Gavin Scarfould: so how do we know we're thinking?
Calvino Rabeni: What's the point - and I mean that in a "positive" way?
Eos Amaterasu: thinking usually hits you on the head
Gavin Scarfould: have you ever had a problem you have to solve and you kinda leave it for later, then during dinner you're talking to friends and yu're trying to explain something to someone
Eos Amaterasu: the point - aha
Eos Amaterasu: (call-by-future sneaks in....)
Calvino Rabeni: Depending on your notion of "thinking" it may be extremely subtle
Eos Amaterasu: how do we know this is a good questino?
Gavin Scarfould: so while you're thinking suddenly the answer to that other problem kinda hovers in to view and you're like "OH! I think i figured something out" but you weren't actively thinking about it?
Eos Amaterasu: (fundamental particle - questino)
Calvino Rabeni: Well in that example, we "trust" the idea to pop out at some reasonably future time
Eos Amaterasu: yeah, space gets pregnant
Gavin Scarfould: where does the problem go when I don't think about it?
Gavin Scarfould: and how did I solve it?
Eos Amaterasu: you didn't
Calvino Rabeni: Knowledge gets pregnant too
Eos Amaterasu: I hope so
Calvino Rabeni: Well, neurons keep churning away behind the scenes, they just don't give any status updates for a while
Calvino Rabeni: LIke employees who don't want to be micro-managed
Eos Amaterasu: yeah, we live in a whole matrix of such sustaining neurons
Calvino Rabeni: but the Big Boss
Eos Amaterasu: all are our mothers
Calvino Rabeni: The "Big Boss" really doesn't have much control over what the smart guys do in the back office
Eos Amaterasu: Big Boss in his own mind only
Calvino Rabeni: Likes to fantasize that he does, however :)
Gavin Scarfould: it would be cool if I could chill somewhere while my brain does all my work for me
Calvino Rabeni: You do - it is called "intuition"
Gavin Scarfould: yeah but they should just hook up part of my brain to a computer where it'll write all y emails and do all my coding and solve all the problems and balance the check book while I don't think about that and just ride my skateboard at the beach
Calvino Rabeni: How many people, I wonder, would like to be a cyborg, with technoid implants?
Gavin Scarfould: I say "they" because I'm too lazy to even begin to learn how to do that or if it's possible :-P
Eos Amaterasu ponders technoid implants :-)
Gavin Scarfould: cyborgs would be cool but I just don't want to have to worry about work
Calvino Rabeni: Memory prosthetic, for instance
Gavin Scarfould: I just want things to get done while I enjoy other parts of life
Eos Amaterasu: that already happens to a large extent
Calvino Rabeni: It would be easier to have a bot do your work, than get the mods
Gavin Scarfould: work getting done?
Gavin Scarfould: yeah they'll be like a robot slave race
Eos Amaterasu: 99.99% of you is already done for you
Gavin Scarfould: I think people are already forming robot rights movements
Calvino Rabeni: I have little doubt, you 'd notice the drain on your awareness
Gavin Scarfould: wowowow, Eos, what do you mean that's an incredibly cool statement
Calvino Rabeni: with these background tasks running
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Sho' 'nuff
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: billions of years of evolution conspired to bring you here, and it's all got background tasks running :-)
Calvino Rabeni: Your gut, for example, has the brainpower approximately of a cat - and for the main part, just gets things done without bothering you
Calvino Rabeni: But yes, Eos, the processing is mostly outside the body
Gavin Scarfould: holy shit, you're right!
Eos Amaterasu: ahem :-)
Gavin Scarfould: so you're saying i came pre-packaged?
Eos Amaterasu: we come with a huge amount of living context
Eos Amaterasu: just being able to see these green grasses around this pavilion
Calvino Rabeni: Photosynthesis, converting solar energy - hey not problem, already delegated to plants
Gavin Scarfould: so how do I enjoy it more?
Eos Amaterasu: aha!
Gavin Scarfould: I think that's realy my ultimate question
Eos Amaterasu: appreciate it
Gavin Scarfould: I'm a pretty happy guy but I'm a sucker for optimization
Calvino Rabeni: Appreciation - probably preceded by attention
Eos Amaterasu: each tiny detail
Calvino Rabeni: Yes
Calvino Rabeni: Of course, at first it will seem meaningless, pointless
Calvino Rabeni: But that's because of the utility programming
Calvino Rabeni: Optimization - technology itself perhaps - is a strategy for concealment of the actual source of what happens, showing only the functional result
Calvino Rabeni: And, we are naturally as programmed as our machines
Calvino Rabeni: So looking inside the machine is normally what people do when it is broken
Gavin Scarfould: so what's driving this processes do you think?
Calvino Rabeni: in order to fix it and get it working again
Gavin Scarfould: if it doesn't have a goal it sure seems to be doing a good job at improving things
Calvino Rabeni: so then it can be forgotten again
Calvino Rabeni: It's self-driving, apparently
Calvino Rabeni: And doesn't seem to have a goal to make us all happy
Calvino Rabeni: mainly just to survive
Eos Amaterasu: we're at one of those points where the machine is broken and must introspect
Calvino Rabeni: Especially now, Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: we're breaking our own cycle of life
Calvino Rabeni: At the eco-level - right
Eos Amaterasu: so need to become more aware of how we affect, de-stabilize, stabilize
Gavin Scarfould: who knows maybe our idea of heaven or that experience of oneness to the universe is the blueprint of our goal?
Calvino Rabeni: Handy as it is, technology gets the credit for the lack of awareness
Calvino Rabeni: Maybe a goal, or maybe the carrot ahead of the donkey on the stick?
Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, that idea or experience is the hint we're already connected with what we want
Calvino Rabeni: It is hard to distinguish
Eos Amaterasu: but it's our lack of awareness
Gavin Scarfould: what we want might not exist, maybe it's just a model that's been passed down
Eos Amaterasu: we write the simple equation for our financial system: amt_tomorrow > amt_today
Gavin Scarfould: genetic heritage?
Calvino Rabeni: Some things perhaps, like wanting to eat too much fat or sweets
Gavin Scarfould: we build plans during our life time for buildings and other technology
Gavin Scarfould: maybe at some point there was this ultumate plan that would require many generations to accomplish
Eos Amaterasu: we don't really know why we're here
Eos Amaterasu: that's why we're here (at Play as Being) :-)
Gavin Scarfould: i'm not saying we're here for that
Gavin Scarfould: I'm thinking at some point evolution's like "well, we're here so we might as well do THIS"
Eos Amaterasu: sounds like a plan :-)
Gavin Scarfould: we're not here to make music but there's plenty of musicians because music is enjoyable
Gavin Scarfould: that's probbly the most comforting idea to me, the fact there's no purpose yet we can do stuff!
Gavin Scarfould: it's like youre handed life and you're like "what do I do with this" and the answer is "what ever!"
Eos Amaterasu: purpose vs no-purpose dissolve
Eos Amaterasu: you are the porpoise of life
Gavin Scarfould: ha! we were born at the result?
Gavin Scarfould: the purpose of life is YOU Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Ack! Me?
--BELL--
Gavin Scarfould: yes!
Gavin Scarfould: now make us proud!
Gavin Scarfould: do something cool Eos
Eos Amaterasu:
Gavin Scarfould: lol
Gavin Scarfould: millions of years of evolusion and this is what we get?
Gavin Scarfould: oh whell, lets keep going :-P
Gavin Scarfould: this being stuff is pretty cool
Gavin Scarfould: I think I'm gettin the hang of it
Gavin Scarfould: OOPS
Gavin Scarfould: I talked when I wasn't supposed to
Gavin Scarfould: sorry
"Ain't it just like the night to play tricks when you're tryin' to be so quiet?"
Eos Amaterasu: the silence tricked you
Gavin Scarfould: hehehe
Eos Amaterasu: it does that, you know
Calvino Rabeni: NP.
Gavin Scarfould: i'm easilly fooled
Eos Amaterasu: makes everything you say louder
Eos Amaterasu: makes perceptions brighter
Calvino Rabeni: Anyway, I'm pretty satisfied with "Eos" as the avatar of meaning and purpose of evolution :)
Eos Amaterasu: the kind of enjoyment you just talked aboiut
Gavin Scarfould: I was being outloud :-P
Gavin Scarfould: me too!
Eos Amaterasu: Ha ha
Gavin Scarfould: ok on behalf of humanity I say we're done. Eos is the meaning and purpose of existence
Gavin Scarfould: we've figured it out
Eos Amaterasu: revisionism!
Eos Amaterasu: anti-integerian infidel - it's 42!
Eos Amaterasu: Okay gang, I gotta go - pretty late-ish, here
Eos Amaterasu: Bye Calvino and Gavin!
Gavin Scarfould: bye Eos thanks for keeping evolution going
Eos Amaterasu: it's a tough job
Calvino Rabeni: Yeah same here, glad you stopped by Gavin
Calvino Rabeni: BFN
Gavin Scarfould: thanks Calvino
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