2010.04.03 13:00 - Enlightened Nudity, Sex and Food

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon. The participants are Yakuzza Lethecus, Sonia Tehani, Bertram Jacobus, Zen Arado, Zen Arado, Eliza Madrigal, Qt Core, and arabella Ella. I was having problems with my internet connection (it would freeze and then I would get a large amount of text all at once); so much of the following was lost to me at the moment.

The topic included a discussion about nudity and sex, which are not subjects that come up very often here in PaB.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ssl
Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sonia
Sonia Tehani: hi
Sonia Tehani: is the session starting?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes it is
Sonia Tehani: ok
Sonia Tehani: i'm early or what? :-9
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, a bit
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb ssl
Sonia Tehani: :-)
Sonia Tehani: ok i'll wait
Yakuzza Lethecus: you are familar with the place here ?
Sonia Tehani: i've been once
Sonia Tehani: it was fine :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so you know about logging and alike ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Yakuzza, Hi Sonia :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: that everything said around here is going to be posted on our website
Sonia Tehani: yes, about recording you mean?
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok
Sonia Tehani: yes i know, it's ok
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert
Sonia Tehani: hi bert
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello early visitor :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: not that nudism bothers me
Bertram Jacobus: 12:56 slt) ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: visitors*
Yakuzza Lethecus: but it reminds me of throuing around tshirts :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I may be extra quiet this session, I'm having some major laggg
Bertram Jacobus: oh - may it disappear quickly sharon ! ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you! took several tries (many) to get here today
Yakuzza Lethecus: ist das dein name bert ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: txe lan lesrung
Bertram Jacobus: btw : i liked your look sonia ;-)

Bertram Jacobus: yes. my na'vi name - means "helping heart" became it from my tribe chiefs ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: very apt :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so, any of you got a topic ?
Bertram Jacobus: or even a bit more exact : from a sister ("tsmuke") who can see our names ... :-) - was very happy to get this name from her in a ceremony - big honour as well ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome zen :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zen, Hi Liza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi liza
Yakuzza Lethecus: thx for grabbing the log!
Zen Arado: thanks Yaku :)
Zen Arado: Hi all
Bertram Jacobus: how about nudity and spirit for example ? ;-)
Sonia Tehani: hi zen, how are you? :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hi liza and zen ! :-)
Liza Deischer: it happens
Zen Arado: fine thank you
Sonia Tehani: great
Zen Arado: and you?
Sonia Tehani: fine, a little tired, travelling, finally back home
Zen Arado: traveling is tiring
SophiaSharon Larnia: no place like home
Sonia Tehani: it is... and i had a fine because travelling in the wrong train :-9
Zen Arado: oh dear
Sonia Tehani: but wanted to be home before the usally time!
Sonia Tehani: so... we were talking about? nudity? or what?
Zen Arado: I'm tired too but i stayed up too late last night
SophiaSharon Larnia laughs........ I'm scrolling back for that one
Zen Arado: there is a woman in SL goes around naked
Sonia Tehani: who is her, i want to know her
Zen Arado: came to WOK meeting last week
Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i just had that in mind sonja because you haven´t had a bra at that time for me
Zen Arado: Rhiannon something
Sonia Tehani: yes i know, i usually like to go around without a bra
Sonia Tehani: usually i like to go around SL naked, but don't want to offend anyone with that attitude anyway
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but we are used to that, have you met rhiannon dragoon ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: she´s wearing nothing and takes herself serious so it´s no problem
Sonia Tehani: it's just a way to feel me more confortable with my body
Yakuzza Lethecus: when ppl aren´t griefing and trolling with that nudity it´s fine
Zen Arado: funny how quickly you get used to it
Yakuzza Lethecus: why only me ?
Sonia Tehani: it's just because i like nudity also in rl
Sonia Tehani: without any bad mind
Sonia Tehani: i just try to feel my body for what it is
Sonia Tehani: no sex intended
Bertram Jacobus: many years ago i asked a very experienced buddhist practitioneer : if you could choose between enlightenment and a woman like out of the nicest dreams - what would you choose - and he said instantly "that woman" - didn´t forget it , have the impression, that was a real adult answer (!) ...
Zen Arado: an honest man
Sonia Tehani: well, it depends on what kind of thoughts he was doing with this woman
Liza Deischer: trying to bring her to enlightenment ?
Liza Deischer: tantra-sex
Sonia Tehani: i think maybe enlightment is also accept someone in front of you as it is, maybe nude... where's the problem?
Bertram Jacobus: poor sharon - wb
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry
Sonia Tehani: if someone is naked in front of you, and it makes bad thoughts on you, the problem is just yours not of that person naked
Yakuzza Lethecus: wha for ?
Liza Deischer: wb sharon
Bertram Jacobus: no need to say sorry for such !
Zen Arado: we are embarassed and ashamed of our bodies perhaps
Liza Deischer: I don't see a problem
Zen Arado: or conditioned to be
Bertram Jacobus: i consider distractions and irritations ...
Sonia Tehani: yes we are, maybe because our problem is on how not beauty is our body like the other one would be
Zen Arado: try walking down the main street of your town naked
Liza Deischer: but I think Bertrams question was about something different
Sonia Tehani: zen, that's different
Zen Arado: you would be arrested
Sonia Tehani: i will be arrested
Sonia Tehani: social law doesn't allow you to go naked down the street but what about a nude beach where you can?
Sonia Tehani: and you can get comfortable about it
Sonia Tehani: ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: boundaries on social laws
Zen Arado: it wouldn't worry me
Zen Arado: so how many others would it also not worry?
Sonia Tehani: zen it depends i would not be worried if we get naked here now
Zen Arado: why should the human body be offensive?
Sonia Tehani: but would be worried down the street because everybody are not

Bertram Jacobus: if i understand buddhas teachings correctly he explained that all limited and relative aspects in their limitation are combined with suffering ...
SophiaSharon Larnia: I see quite a bit of nudity in my profession, it hardly registers to me, so I have a little different view than most, I guess
Bertram Jacobus: so for sure, nuditiy also. following his teachings, the point was whether one looks from a free mind or not on it so to say -
Zen Arado: yes - it is all so conditioned
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eliza :)
Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza ... :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eliza
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
Sonia Tehani: i always try to look at my nudity, when i'm not in a sex moment, to try to accept more my body as it is
SophiaSharon Larnia: Eliza, I think we're talking about nudity again
Bertram Jacobus: but zen : when the mind, the being is free - conditions don´t limit anymore
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Everyone :) Hah... what timing I have
Sonia Tehani: i think is difficult to feel your own body when you're dressed
Bertram Jacobus: hello qt :-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt
Zen Arado: yes but we have to respect other's sensibilities I guess
Zen Arado: and not try to offend them
Sonia Tehani: hi qt are you italian?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, those sensibilities ^.^
Zen Arado: even if they shouldn't be offended
Qt Core: yes Sonia
Zen Arado: Hi Qt:)
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t feel such an essential difference in experiencing my body, naked or dressed. for sure there are differences then. but both okay for me
Sonia Tehani: i'm too, where from? :-)
Qt Core: near Milan
Sonia Tehani: ok, i'm from Florence, nice to meet you
Zen Arado: ah Florence
Qt Core: :-)
Zen Arado: what a beautiful place
SophiaSharon Larnia: those places sound so very exotic to me :))
Zen Arado: I always wanted to visit there
Sonia Tehani: it is, a little boring, but still a beautiful place...
Sonia Tehani: come Zen, :-)
Qt Core: i love how everybody usually wants to be where the other is ;-)
Zen Arado: ha ha yes
Zen Arado: I live beside a Norman castle
Zen Arado: and Americans swoon over it
Sonia Tehani: come on Qt, i would not want to be in Milan anyway... :-)
Zen Arado: but it is so ugly to me
Bertram Jacobus: why ugly ?
Zen Arado: it is not nice architecture
Bertram Jacobus: ah
Zen Arado: just built for defence
Bertram Jacobus: may be impressive
Zen Arado: want to see photo?
Bertram Jacobus: i know it already ;-)
Qt Core: for you Sonia Milan is not exotic enough,, just a couple hundred km from Florence
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes please :)
Sonia Tehani: ok, we were talking about nudity, should we go on or change ?
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Sonia Tehani: yes Milan is maybe too near :-)
Qt Core: nudity ? in which context ?
Zen Arado: http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl...ed=0CDgQsAQwBg
SophiaSharon Larnia: *gasps*
Sonia Tehani: nice Castle
Sonia Tehani: well in the contest maybe... how do you feel with your nudity and show it to someone else
Bertram Jacobus: i think, that can have obsessive aspects ...
Sonia Tehani: and how you feel with your body
Qt Core: i wont for the sake of the mental health of the watcher
Zen Arado: we want to conform to dress codes
Eliza Madrigal: giggles qt
Zen Arado: don't want to stand out
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles..... I think I state the same as qt
Sonia Tehani: i don't want to conform to dress code
Eliza Madrigal: I'm more interested in nudity of awareness :)
Sonia Tehani: anyway i do not follow fashion in rl
Qt Core: you know, i may address people to Botero paintings for a reference for my nudity ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: it´s conform not wanting to be conform these days ... ;-)
Sonia Tehani: well where's the problrem if you are fat Qt?
Liza Deischer smiles at nudity of awareness
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sonia Tehani: do you think i'll judge you because of your body if i see you naked?
SophiaSharon Larnia: the physical body is undeniably linked with awareness, in my view
SophiaSharon Larnia: limited as our senses are
Zen Arado: we ignore our bodies too much maybe
Qt Core: i feel quite ugly at a phisical level, but that never stopped me
Sonia Tehani: yes zen, i think you're right
Sonia Tehani: that's good
Bertram Jacobus: this awareness aspect ... i like to name it "pure" ...
Zen Arado: treat them like a machine
Sonia Tehani: qt i was trying to tell this
Sonia Tehani: thet i like nudity because this is the really way ourselves are
Sonia Tehani: without defense
Eliza Madrigal: Well, in the same way our self-consciousness about our bodies may keep us from experiences .... yes... guess there are great parallels Sharon, agree
Sonia Tehani: and from my point of view never judge anyone for his\her body
Bertram Jacobus: didn´t stop you qt ? in which way , please ?
Sonia Tehani: that's why i try to live my nudity day by day
Sonia Tehani: also if i have my problems too with it
Zen Arado: funny but I feel a reticence to taking my clothes off even in SL
Qt Core: that i will not concede to people telling me i'm fat or ugly
Sonia Tehani: even in SL

Sonia Tehani: i think this is the good place to take off the clothes
Qt Core: that i will worn or not what i want
Eliza Madrigal: interest in outer avatar is secondary... that's one thing I appreciate about the different orientation here
Zen Arado: worried where this is heading :)
Eliza Madrigal: skinny dipping?
Zen Arado: lol
Qt Core: i may have to call my friendly cube av to express my opinion on physical appearance ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: that would probably be a first
Eliza Madrigal: Haha, qt
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sonia Tehani: ok, some of you ever experienced a nude bach in RL?
Bertram Jacobus: i see qt. ty for answering my question !
Eliza Madrigal: sort of... live in miami
Sonia Tehani: beach
Zen Arado: we'll finish up doing onigokko..naked :)
Qt Core: never
Sonia Tehani: i did
Sonia Tehani: it's a good feeling
Sonia Tehani: cause everybody are naked as you are
Sonia Tehani: and most of that people doesn't matter about you're body
Sonia Tehani: but this i think is something you feel inside you anyway
Zen Arado: at least I have a good body in SL
Eliza Madrigal: I actually like layers to things
Eliza Madrigal: empty layers, but layers
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sonia Tehani: cuse the feeling of being judge from someone maybe start only from you
Bertram Jacobus: for me, this topic is not so important. sry. liza got me right before - i have other things in mind considering that ...
Eliza Madrigal: Bert, what did I miss?
Qt Core: i don't have a fat avatar only as i never found a decent one, trying to fatten regular ones create monsters
Zen Arado: say more Bert?
Sonia Tehani: yes bert, i missed too
Bertram Jacobus: i scroll and copy for the latecomers. one mom plz
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: [13:09] Bertram Jacobus: many years ago i asked a very experienced buddhist practitioneer : if you could choose between enlightenment and a woman like out of the nicest dreams - what would you choose - and he said instantly "that woman" - didn´t forget it , have the impression, that was a real adult answer (!) ...
Zen Arado: ah yes
Eliza Madrigal: !!
Eliza Madrigal: maybe enlightenment seemed something 'far off' and the idea of 'that woman' closer...
Qt Core: sorry i don't get it
Eliza Madrigal: therefore more 'real'
Eliza Madrigal: what do you think, Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: what is not to be understood from that qt please ?
Zen Arado: he had enlightenment already
Zen Arado: but not a woman:)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Liza Deischer: I have no idea what he meant, but then, you never know :-)
Qt Core: why he choose the woman
Bertram Jacobus: i think, that he was simply serious and very aware - may be he knew, he is not so far yet ... and we all may not be. buddhas last temptations were girls and warriors ... as the legend tells ...
Zen Arado: ah yes
Liza Deischer: buddhist last tempatations is being attracted too
Zen Arado: the temptations of Mara
Bertram Jacobus: and i can´t help to associate nudity with sexual aspects - find that simply natural
Liza Deischer: attachement
Bertram Jacobus: and there are nice and not nice aspects with all that. and in the end - said it before - relative
Liza Deischer: anger is more easy to overcome
Eliza Madrigal: Well..... sex itself isn't attachment is it...
Zen Arado: I find certain clothing more sexually alluring than nudity
Liza Deischer: oh Eliza, most of the time it is
Qt Core: agree with Zen
Bertram Jacobus: lol zen :-)
Liza Deischer: because most of the time desire is a big part of it
Eliza Madrigal: think it is just sex... like having dinner... part of natural life
Bertram Jacobus: for the text of you before ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: think people worrying about sex is attachment...
Bertram Jacobus: (have to read ... did miss a lot now while writing - continue re read) ... ;-)
Liza Deischer: oh but dinner is most of the time attachement to
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Liza Deischer: reflects attachement
Eliza Madrigal: yes...indeed... we all don't know where to stop
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Liza Deischer: no, and we only want to eat things that we like
Sonia Tehani: i live you guys, for me it's tired, was nice to stay with you for a while, hope you'll have a nice day :-9
Liza Deischer: looking forward to the next meal
Eliza Madrigal: (sorry, think I'm in a silly mood today... day started talking about what a chicken's life is like)
Zen Arado: but it is also a natural desire like hunger
Liza Deischer: and so on and so on
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sonia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sonia :)
Sonia Tehani: bye everybody :-9
Zen Arado: bye Sonia
Liza Deischer: oh yes, but not all eating is attachement
Qt Core: bye sonia, sleep well
Liza Deischer: but to the most of us it sadly is :-)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, eating can be awareness...
Liza Deischer: she says with a smile
Bertram Jacobus: bye sonia ...
Eliza Madrigal: Some of my most 'mindful' and appreciative moments have been dwelling with a meal.... appreciating flavors, etc... waking
Liza Deischer: eating is a way to get to know the concept of awareness
Eliza Madrigal nods
Liza Deischer: but the awareness can show a lot of attachement
SophiaSharon Larnia: again physical
Zen Arado: mindful eating is a good practice
Liza Deischer: awareness is not the same as not being attached
Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed, physicality
Liza Deischer: most of the time it is about the discovery of attachement
Zen Arado: what is sex addiction then?
Zen Arado: I wonder about that
Liza Deischer: every addiction is attachement clearly
Zen Arado: but they dont talk about food addiction
Liza Deischer: most buddhist feel like they are doing worse after a few years of practice
Liza Deischer: but actually they get more aware
Zen Arado: yes agree Liza
Liza Deischer: and that maybe is the answer to what the teacher of Bertram said
Qt Core: bulemy, zen
Liza Deischer: the teacher betram was talking about
Liza Deischer: not talking about food addiction?
Zen Arado: bulemy?
Liza Deischer: there is a lot of food addiction going around

Eliza Madrigal: a sense of never being satisfied can be addressed by people in many ways... food, sex, internet...
Liza Deischer: not only that, most of us cary more wait then we should
Zen Arado: hungry ghosts?
Liza Deischer: attachement is a very subtle thing
Qt Core: hi Hitman
Zen Arado: Hi Hitman
Liza Deischer: I guess we all have the hungry ghost in us
Zen Arado: trying to fill a hole in ourselves as Eliza said
Qt Core: hit and run...
Eliza Madrigal nods... hungry ghosts... why the TSK and 'be decisive' discussions are interesting I think... that they point to a kind of satisfaction available wherever we are....
Liza Deischer: for the ones who don't know, those a creatures with a very small mouth and a big stomach
Zen Arado: a hole that isn't really there
Eliza Madrigal: (for instance there is a satisfaction to be had in the pauses every 15 minutes ;-)
Liza Deischer: yes, maybe even a psychological hole, instead of a physical one
Eliza Madrigal: TSK calls it a kind of 'grazing on space'
Zen Arado: yes Liza
SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed
Liza Deischer: even meditation can be a big attachement
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: that we can reorient ourselves though, from a place of coming from satisfaction into whatever we are doing....
Eliza Madrigal: taking the breath first, before engaging... or dipping in and out of the pauses with attention...
Liza Deischer: because every attachement has its boundaries
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes
Eliza Madrigal: can be exhausted
Liza Deischer: everything you long for, can also become to much
Liza Deischer: we can be attached to food
Liza Deischer: to the point that it is making us sick
Liza Deischer: attachement means that it is about something that is never going to make you happy forever
Liza Deischer: and then we start to focus on something different
Zen Arado: but we use food and sx to try to fill up a perceived emptiness in us
Liza Deischer: yes
Zen Arado: they say that is why diets fail
Bertram Jacobus: i would more say - it´s a kind of "being misleaded" zen -
Zen Arado: you have to sort out the need that causes us to overeat first
Eliza Madrigal: well the second one says 'eat less" the desire to eat more arises
Eliza Madrigal: So maybe one desire can be countered by another instead?
Liza Deischer: :-) yes
Eliza Madrigal: heart desires
Eliza Madrigal: inner avatars :)
Zen Arado: think the answer is to find what void we have created in ourselves
Zen Arado: that we think we have to fill
Liza Deischer: that is the first question and gives you tools on a psychological level
Bertram Jacobus: and the original , pure power in all that i see in the developement, evolution, going towards enlightenment - as ever one likes to call it
Zen Arado: just thinking here
Zen Arado: probably wrong :)
Liza Deischer: you can use desire, but in the end you need to let it go
Liza Deischer: it is interesting, because you can use negative emotions
Liza Deischer: to overcome those
Zen Arado: but we can enjoy our food and sex
Liza Deischer: of course
Zen Arado: must be able to use them properly
Bertram Jacobus: yes. but before enlightenment may be distraction, detour
Zen Arado: not as trying to fulfill some psychological need as well
Liza Deischer: but I guess we all know how  closed we are and very egoistic coming to the point you are about to have a orgasm
Bertram Jacobus: proper use would be fine :-9
Zen Arado: selfish you mean?
Bertram Jacobus: ah - the ugly nine again ! go away ! ;o)
Eliza Madrigal: So seems one might use that moment for real practice.. hahaha....
Liza Deischer: selfish ok
Liza Deischer: if you can Eliza :-)
Bertram Jacobus: no liza. i disagree : wanting to have it for both, all ... can also be a disposition
Liza Deischer: then it would be a great practice I suppose
Zen Arado: this is an Adult session Sharon :)
Liza Deischer: the intention changes along the way
Liza Deischer: you can start of to have pleasure and giving pleasure
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles... I'm losing half of what is being said
Liza Deischer: but at that moment, you really don't want to be distracted by anything
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think
Zen Arado: seems there is as much giving as taking to me
Liza Deischer: every moment is a new moment and have is own intentions
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: What a nice thought to get going on....
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Fun topic :) Bye for now
Zen Arado: bye Eliza :)
Bertram Jacobus: i appeciate your / our very constructive handling this topic (!) ... great
Liza Deischer: bye Eliza
Qt Core: bye Eliza
Bertram Jacobus: bye eliza
Eliza Madrigal nods At Bert :) Thank you!
Liza Deischer: have fun Eliza
Liza Deischer: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
Liza Deischer: and the rest of us
Zen Arado: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :)
Liza Deischer: it doesn't mean btw that sex is bad
Liza Deischer: that is not what I mean
Liza Deischer: but it is interesting if you start to look closely to what happens
Bertram Jacobus: no. hadn´t understood you like that at all liza
Liza Deischer: what is coming up
Zen Arado: we wouldn't believe you anyway Liza :)
Bertram Jacobus: hehe ;-)
Liza Deischer: ok :-)
Liza Deischer: as eating is of course also something we should be keeping on doing :-)))))

Zen Arado: think I'll call and see Moon :)
Liza Deischer: I just read your line Zen :-))))))))
Zen Arado: bye everyone
Liza Deischer: bye Zen
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zen
Qt Core: bye Zen
Liza Deischer: I'm going too
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all, have to go :)
Bertram Jacobus feels now satisfied . all clear with this - great sights and views on it (even when this remark may be a repeat, partly)
Bertram Jacobus: bye all
Qt Core: bye Liza, Sophia
Liza Deischer: c u
Bertram Jacobus: leaving persons :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, good night everyone
Qt Core: wondering how would be to go around (in sl) barechest with the pab symbol tatooed ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: that means ? naked ? only a tatoo ? ;-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: night
Bertram Jacobus: lol. try it ! :o)
Qt Core: noo, only pants barechest, not fully nacked
Bertram Jacobus: if you´re interested in :-)
Bertram Jacobus: ah. pants. okay
Bertram Jacobus: that is really one of big advantages : we can try all that out
Bertram Jacobus: here
Bertram Jacobus: on sl
Qt Core: i don't think i will ever be at ease naked, not even here in sl
Bertram Jacobus: i see ... but with partners ...
Bertram Jacobus: or our wifes ? ...
Bertram Jacobus: heyyyy arabella !
arabella Ella: Hiya Bert, Qt!
Bertram Jacobus: thought today about you - in the last hour ! :-))
arabella Ella: how r u both?
Qt Core: hi ara!
arabella Ella: reallly?
Bertram Jacobus: yess ! because - "so long" not seen :-))
arabella Ella: I got back from a vacation in Spain today and went to a concert tonite
Bertram Jacobus: (for sl relations lol) :-)
arabella Ella: so i have been away from SL for a week yes!
Qt Core: surviving, had a not so nice day plagued by a bad dream
Bertram Jacobus: the more happy to see you now ! :-)
arabella Ella smiles
Qt Core: nice things ara
arabella Ella: thanks I feel relaxed after a vacation

Bertram Jacobus: great ... all fine here too ...
arabella Ella: how did you have a dream during the day Qt?
Qt Core: no, just before awaking in the morning, but it leaved a bad feeling for all day
Bertram Jacobus: ,ay all bad feelings wiped out as soon as possible ! ... ;-)
arabella Ella: oh nooo .... and do you remember the details? is it connected to the holidays? i always forget the details before i get out of bed!
Bertram Jacobus: (i take a coffee brb )
arabella Ella: ok
Qt Core: yes, basically i murdered one of my uncles, buried it in a beach (?!) outside my home and then i was worrying for days about how to make the murder seem an home accident
Qt Core: and that angst followed me all day
arabella Ella: yes i can understand what you mean ... quite a complicated dream scenario IMHO
arabella Ella: but it could mean many other things you know
Bertram Jacobus: you´re humble ara ? ;o)
arabella Ella: yes Bert very humble ... had you not noticed ... smile!
Bertram Jacobus: haha :-)
Qt Core: i dream rarely, but when i do it just before awaking they are always very complicated and absurd i usually awoke as i refuse to continue the absurdities
arabella Ella feels even more humble ...
Bertram Jacobus: "love you dear" :-)
arabella Ella: thanks!!!
Bertram Jacobus: love many here i "must admit" ...
arabella Ella: yes Qt but it is amazing you still remember the details ... and i guess you remember even the finer details too
Bertram Jacobus: so many nice persons here ! ... really a gift ...
arabella Ella: yes Bert , I understand too!
Qt Core: :-)
Qt Core: yes, ara i leaved out a few
arabella Ella: i am sure you left out more then simply a few details Qt
arabella Ella: but the feeling i get is ... if I may ...
Bertram Jacobus: (still runing between kitchen and here, because of the coffee) ... ;-)
Qt Core: go on ara
arabella Ella: that you may have recently had some sort of embarrasing or accidental experience
arabella Ella: which makes you feel bad
arabella Ella: and you are trying to see how to make more sense of it
arabella Ella: it may have to do with work or with family ... difficult to tell
Qt Core: well, i have a few thinks i have to do and lazy around not doing them and then there was a couple car accident near my workplace with dead and injured
Qt Core: things
arabella Ella: ah so even the car accidents could have been a huge influence in your dreams
arabella Ella: i often have very weird and absurd dreams too before i wake up
arabella Ella: but as i said i forget most of them
Bertram Jacobus: my dreams are mostly quite normal, nearly boring - okay - not really - always feel nice anyhow. but forget them mostly also very quickly
Bertram Jacobus: nad mostly i don´t remember anything
arabella Ella: yes but that's nice Bert as many people it seems have very scarey and absurd dreams
Qt Core: mee too, sadly not this time ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: bit more in the last months - hm ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: but qt - when they are mostly also more nice dream s- wonderful, isn´t it ?
arabella Ella: it is likely that dreams often have meanings but sometimes they are just the remnants of what happened to us recently
Bertram Jacobus: i have the impression, it´s a sort of "regulation" - may be that´s a platitude, but am really not very close with this topic - sry
arabella Ella: i sometimes wish we could choose our dream topics
Bertram Jacobus: sure. the lucid dreaming people work with this wish ara i guess
arabella Ella: like for example i could choose to dream about Pandora
Bertram Jacobus: but i fear such. don´t want to "bother" the natural ways of going
arabella Ella: yes Bert I guess they do ... they explained it a bit the other day but i still cant get my dreams the way i wish them to be
arabella Ella: altho i would then eliminate all my scarey dreams
Bertram Jacobus: the natural ways of dreaming ... don´t want to manipulate
arabella Ella: perhaps the question really is
arabella Ella: which are the dreams really and which is reality?
arabella Ella: and what is reality anyway?
Bertram Jacobus: would fear that in the end might be even worse, late reactions may be and such
arabella Ella: yes Bert I see what you mean ... it is a sort of natural outlet too to dream
Bertram Jacobus: yes. on the other hand : we may act ... hm
Bertram Jacobus: may be simply my personal feeling
Bertram Jacobus: without the idea would be general fact
Qt Core: i go with the idea that they are "remnants" of previous day mental activity, almost randomly assembled and to wich the mind try to give a reasonable meaning

Bertram Jacobus: but not only previous day (?) - all past may come into the dreams (?) ... for sure : the recent things more ... (?)
arabella Ella: yes ... I'm afraid I must go get some sleep as have had long day and am so exhausted now! Happy Easter to all! And sweet dreams too!
Bertram Jacobus: ty ara was nice having met you ,a lso for short ! :-)
Qt Core: happy easter, ara, sleep well
Bertram Jacobus: whaow. THAT was fast ;-)