2010.04.27 01:00 - Commitment

The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are by Wester Kiranov.

The other attendants were Cosmicflower Ushimawa and Bertram Jacobus, and we talked mostly about what commitment means, and when it's good and when it's bad.

Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Bert
Bertram Jacobus: whaow - you here ! happy to see you ! :-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) yes, I have been here quite much lately
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Happy to see You too
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Tried to be on time this day
Bertram Jacobus: why ? :-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have came late
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: often
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: meeting have already started
Bertram Jacobus: but you have no commitements (?) :-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well, perhaps its polite to be on time
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: sometimes rl just do not allow to be on time
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Bertram Jacobus: sure
Bertram Jacobus: and i say : better late then never ? ;-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes ;9
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Bertram Jacobus: at least here :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and hello wester !
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Wester
Bertram Jacobus: my smilies have noses cosma ;-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: And Henry too
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: noses?
Bertram Jacobus: yes : two kinds : a : :-) , b : :o)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
Bertram Jacobus: the second one is a clown´s nose ;o)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: nice ;D
Bertram Jacobus: hehe - even hats are possible ! <:o)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You have some?
Bertram Jacobus: that was it already < :o)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, yes I see ;)
Bertram Jacobus: okay, may be a bit poor, it´s only a < , i admit
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: need to look a bit differently this screen ;)
Bertram Jacobus: ty for understanding
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: smiles
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Henry, do You come to sit down here?
Bertram Jacobus: i love understanding, may be ... afault of mine : that i love understanding more then not understand (?) ...
Bertram Jacobus: i don´t see any henry (?)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: well, I love understanding too
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: You dont? I do see Henry flying over there.. hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: in a place where landing when teleporting, You do not see ??
Bertram Jacobus: my mini map shows him more then 200 m away
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: interesting..
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how come I see him just next to us ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol
Wester Kiranov: i don't see him either
Bertram Jacobus: sl phenomena ...
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: interesting
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;D
Bertram Jacobus: henry petras
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yeap
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but about understanding. I think its easy to Be among people when there is understanding
Bertram Jacobus: yess. easy and nice ! :-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if there is no understanding, no matter how much tryig to explain something, it goes to "empty walls"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: like we use to say in finnland "talking like to empty walls"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have no clue where that saying comes from..
Wester Kiranov: we've got the same saying in the netherlands, talking to a wall
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Interesting, same kind of sayings in different countries
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps it have come with people from place to another when people have moved
Bertram Jacobus: sometimes such pictures ... are so - impressing and clear
Bertram Jacobus: analogies
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: True
Bertram Jacobus: like "talking to a wall" (in german that exists, too)
Wester Kiranov: sometimes it's pretty weird. here in the netherlands we say instead of "I'm hung over" "I have a tomcat", and it's the same in Slovene.
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: don´t know what that means (?) sry ... :-/
Wester Kiranov: a hangover, you mean? - when you've drunk too much, how you feel next morning
Bertram Jacobus: ah okay ! ty :-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I was also thinking if that was after drinking
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we just use to say "krapula"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: at one word for that state of being ;)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and its not used in any other occasion
Bertram Jacobus: in germany we have the tomcat, too ;-)
Wester Kiranov: maybe you exported it to slovenia, then
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: go to pick up one cup of tea, its quite cold here; rainy and gray day today
Wester Kiranov: here it's beautiful weather
Bertram Jacobus: here it´s medium ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: i stopped our (fays and mine) leadership at the omaticaya ... on pandora ... feels good - was not enough time for it and it felt like a commitment to me (!) - don´t find that in sl should be commitments (?)
Wester Kiranov: well I feel committed to PaB, that's why I also take guardian duties
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: back
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: perhaps there were something more too, not only commitment, something that earthly mind may not know
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if something start to feel heavy,
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: then its better make a change
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have kept all where I am, or going or doing,; if it feels good then be / go / do. But if not feel good, then let it be. Thats the way I am here , as well also in rl.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: committed kind to my-self. Being truthfull how to feel about.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and follow that feel
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lfe should not be feeling of duty, doing something because its duty, but with lightfull energy and feel
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: not "have to" or "musts" but because "want to"
Bertram Jacobus: sry rl visitor comes ... can stay still a bit, but more inactive, sry ...
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no proplem Bert
Wester Kiranov: there are many good things to doing things that way. But there is also danger that you walk out too soon, before any depth has developed
Bertram Jacobus: ty ! :-)
Wester Kiranov: np bert
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm, but I think I trust
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: for that I have got the depth what was ment to have
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to the moment something start to feel enough
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thinking
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: still trusting to inner
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: There have not been many doors I have walked out, only one. And it was needed, hmm, and at the same time I learned when one door get closed, ten doors is able to open front of
Wester Kiranov: maybe we have a different interpretation of commitment. because that sounds like you do have commitment, or you would have closed more doors
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, well, I do have commitment, Yes, I can commit my-Self
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but its hand in hand with free will to choose
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or not to open the door if feeling at first place its not good to open. Perhaps its also that. At first place, listening the inner voice, intuition. And trust on that.
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Need also consider, to keep continuing if it serves all good
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if it do not serve goodness anymore, why to give energy or attention to such kind of things
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or energies
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or people
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Have also learned the deeper side of helping
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when best help is not to help
Wester Kiranov: i know what you mean
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: depth
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Love that side of commitment where can say "as You wish"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: or "shall it happen Your wish"
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I think that is very deep in commitment
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: to understand if letting other wish come true, its not away from one-self
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: actually
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: it sets free also one-self
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: can let be without chains, and can also self be without chains
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Thinking, one can be free only if setting free others
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and still can be committed

I heard some noises of a Henry and Rianna talking just ouside the pavillion. However, it seems even the bits they texted were lost (and therefore their full names as well), so what's here is half a conversation. They seemed moderately interested - they might be back but they might not.

Wester Kiranov: guys - this is a text only place. You can come here and join the conversation if you want
--BELL--
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Have You Henry and Rianna been here before?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we use to gather here together to talk about different kind of issues, and discussions are recorded. Talking much about life and being, also spiritual things
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: no, You can stay, have a sit
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if You like to, of course
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its okey, there is lots of space to noises
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when talking in privat, its not recorded, but local chat is
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ah, its okey, have fun
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and enjoy
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: both of you
Wester Kiranov: np - come back some time and join the conversation

And then it was time to say goodbye.

Wester Kiranov: I am sorry, I have to go. RL is calling
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Nice to see You Wester
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Enjoy
Wester Kiranov: bye
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: bye
Bertram Jacobus: backk ;-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: wellcome
Bertram Jacobus: ty dear sis ;-9
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: **