2010.04.13 07:00 - Between(s)

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Riddle finally came back to edit this a little more.

Adams Rubble: hello Darren :)
Darren Islar: hi Adams :-)
--BELL--
Darren Islar: thanks :-)
Adams Rubble: thank you :)
Darren Islar: so, how are you?
Adams Rubble: I am well, thanks. How are you?
Darren Islar: beside being tired, I am well too, thanks :-)
Adams Rubble: Better to be well than not tired :)
Darren Islar: I agree :-)
Darren Islar: It is enought to just be alive
Darren Islar: I like that

Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
Darren Islar: hi Riddle
Riddle Sideways: ah yes, good morning
Riddle Sideways: sorry I is late
Adams Rubble: It is OK, we were keeping the seats warm :)
Darren Islar: :-)
Riddle Sideways: some days thatz all we can do
Darren Islar: gave me some time to read Adams profile and to learn that it is enought just to be alive :-)
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I try to remember that at least once a day
Riddle Sideways: compared to adams we is slackers
Darren Islar: breathing seems to be the only thing we really need to do :-)
Darren Islar: slackers?
Adams Rubble: haha Riddle. If you only knew

Riddle Sideways: so are you also feeling ... between (somehow)
Adams Rubble: Yes, I am still "between"
Riddle Sideways: that the past and future have/are full
Riddle Sideways: and todays/right now's present is a calm between something
Adams Rubble: ahhh, interesting
Adams Rubble: that was not quite what I meant be between but a nice thought
Riddle Sideways: what is your between ?
Adams Rubble: Mine is more difficult to define but more of a unsettled
Adams Rubble: On the edge of knowing something
Adams Rubble: but not quite being able to grasp it
Adams Rubble: it moves away when I try to focus on it
Adams Rubble: It seems to be an answer to some confusion
Riddle Sideways: ha, where I talked of time, you mentioned knowledge
Adams Rubble: but the answer is over there and the confusion is here :)
Darren Islar: what a beautiful discription of learning :-)
Riddle Sideways: the between knowing and to be learned
Darren Islar: trying to focus, but moving away
Adams Rubble: Maybe that is when we need wu wei and just let it drift to us
Adams Rubble: but I am not doing the wu wei to well (giggles)
Adams Rubble: too
Darren Islar: I don't know about wu wei, but grasping never works
Adams Rubble: wu wei is doing nothing
Riddle Sideways: we are drifting down a long twisty corridor with a weak flashlight
Adams Rubble: it is a Daoist term
Darren Islar: but it is so common to us to do so
Darren Islar: why are we grasping?
Riddle Sideways: and why would we grasp
Darren Islar: why can't we just sit and breath?
Riddle Sideways: I'll second that emotion
Adams Rubble: we have to remind ourselves not to grasp. Sometimes it is just hard
Darren Islar: or 'doing' nothing and breathe (which something quite different)
Darren Islar: *is
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: as long as we give so much to the great dualisms and two sidednesses... we will be stuck in the middle with you
Darren Islar: ouch
Darren Islar: my foot
Riddle Sideways: ha, hi Yaku
Darren Islar: hi yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: always a pleasure to step on ur toes darren :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Darren Islar: I noticed :-)
Adams Rubble: Hello Yakuzza :)
Adams Rubble: Thank you Darren
Darren Islar: maybe you're interste, since you Adams gave a perfect description of what you can experience during a meditation :-)
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Adams Rubble: Riddle, could say more about the past and present being full?
Adams Rubble: whoops future
Adams Rubble: especially the future being full
Riddle Sideways: when I look over my shoulder... all those pasts spread behind. All those full yesterdays just make me tired
Riddle Sideways: a full life is an exhausting thing
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: spin the head around and see those piles of to do lists
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: so many books so little time
Riddle Sideways: the rest of today is schedule full
Darren Islar: especially the books :-)
Riddle Sideways: here I sit, between, breathing
Riddle Sideways: being
Riddle Sideways: is that enough
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: sort of Yoda talk
Riddle Sideways: time is an easy subject to watch the dualism
Riddle Sideways: the one dimensions
Adams Rubble: When we look to the future we often begin to think of the intended results of our efforts rather than the living
Riddle Sideways: but we be between time, spaces, thoughts, knowing, songs, seeing, etc.
Riddle Sideways: usually, adams
Darren Islar: when we sit, we are already stending up
Darren Islar: and when we stand up, we are already walking
Riddle Sideways: could be just the ancipation of the future we will past by
Adams Rubble: If we wake up and appreciate that we have been given the gift of another day, things look so different
Darren Islar: :-)
Riddle Sideways: spoken like the old wise one
Adams Rubble: shhhh
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: or a hallmark card
Adams Rubble guffaws
Riddle Sideways: does not have to be one or other
Darren Islar: :_)
Darren Islar: but hallmark cards are often right :-)
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: the day we are given is the same... our appreciation is what we bring to it
Darren Islar: yes
Riddle Sideways: what measure of appreciation will I bring to the breathe at 11:45
Adams Rubble: PaB Hallmark Cards :)
Riddle Sideways: copyright PaB
Darren Islar: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i try to allow myself to appreciate the day, i feel somehow that i don´t ,,want" to not grasp
Yakuzza Lethecus: and grasping is somehow bound to not being in the moment while i have to be in the moment to get going
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky
Riddle Sideways: yes, very tricky
Darren Islar: hmmm, even aprreciation can be grasping
Riddle Sideways: 2 parts to grasp action
Riddle Sideways: 1 the reaching
Riddle Sideways: 2 the holding
Darren Islar: but I think that is part of the problem: we don't want to not grasp
Darren Islar: but why is that?
Riddle Sideways: 3rd part = want
Riddle Sideways: 4th part = do/don't
Yakuzza Lethecus: i think to much on how other pp see me, i know live is a codependent arising
Yakuzza Lethecus: if i screw up and loose the ablitly to communicate to ppl i think i can say my mind to i don´t allow myself to be calm
Yakuzza Lethecus: or when i feel that i am unable to say what´s in my mind
Yakuzza Lethecus: and i don´t believe i can say what i think properly in words
Adams Rubble thinking of Aesop's tale of the ant and the grasshopper
Adams Rubble: the ant is working hard gathering food while the grasshopper fiddles and is idle
Riddle Sideways: ah, inner tension about external tension?
Adams Rubble: the moral of the tale is to prepare for the future
Adams Rubble: when we live life we often are preparing for a future
Adams Rubble: the tension comes from the need to drop that while doing it
Riddle Sideways: the moral (could be) is to be a little of both
Darren Islar: it is not the doing; doing nothing is how we can perceive the doing
Adams Rubble: It could be but not what we were taught to do :)
Riddle Sideways: prepare for the future by enjoying the past/present
Yakuzza Lethecus: doing nothing is how we should try to percive the doing ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: we are doing something anyway
Darren Islar: exactly
Yakuzza Lethecus: meditation is just a way to become aware of the things we forgot about doing and whom might deprive
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least to some extend maybe
Darren Islar: huh?
Riddle Sideways: the doing is one thing. the consent good/bad evaluations is another
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i often think that we are mindfull by nature and just lost our mindfull curiousity
Riddle Sideways: how often, during mediation have we thought about things that need doing?
Darren Islar: oh, in that way, could be
Riddle Sideways thinks I have lost none of my curiousity
Riddle Sideways: curiousity might be my problem
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Our doing things can overwhelm us
Darren Islar: everything can be too much or too little
Adams Rubble: yes
Riddle Sideways: no no no no it can also be "just right"
Adams Rubble: yes
Darren Islar: thats why I said "can'
Riddle Sideways: why do I forget that all the time
Riddle Sideways: Between ==== just right
Adams Rubble: and there is my "between"
Adams Rubble: I am between being overwhelmed and finding the just right :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Darren Islar is pondering about adams words
Riddle Sideways: and yak is very between
--BELL--
Darren Islar: maybe so Adams
Darren Islar: but I think you start with 'between', I have no idea about the right
Riddle Sideways: in another 15 minutes, I shall again stick my head above water and breathe, take bearings and go again
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: what is right is a judgement
Darren Islar: I mean you're between Adams
Riddle Sideways: and please no politics... today
Adams Rubble: politics?
Darren Islar: what I mean is that I can feel the 'between' the way Adams described that
Darren Islar: and that is all I know
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: It is easy to slip
Riddle Sideways: our 'between's are us
Riddle Sideways: for good/bad
Darren Islar: the 'right' feels like reaching beyond the starts and my arm doesn't see to be long enough to do that
Darren Islar: *stars
Darren Islar: *seem
Adams Rubble: yes, the grasping :)
Riddle Sideways: ah, that good part of grasp is the reach out
Darren Islar: right
Darren Islar: it is all so tricky
Adams Rubble: yes :)
Adams Rubble: and so simple too :)
Darren Islar: :-)
Riddle Sideways: like cassy casson said "keep reaching for the stars"
Adams Rubble: the tricky parrt may be remembering it is simple
Darren Islar: I think so, and maybe that is what Riddles means with 'politics"
Adams Rubble: (another card?)
Darren Islar: hahahh
Riddle Sideways: how hard to be simple. Tis a gift to be simple
Adams Rubble: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: reaching out but not feel selfpitty if there we don´t reach them and stop and get blocked while reaching out
Darren Islar: maybe we should put up a big halmark card on the square :-)
Adams Rubble: ...tis a gift to be free
Riddle Sideways: YES, do not feel self petty for trying
Darren Islar: yes, right Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s tricky, the stars are in our mind and the stars we are grasping for are already there, all we will find aren´t the stars we are grasping for anymore so why not feel delightfull und happy in every moment ?
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Darren Islar: it is much closer by then we think, that is for sure :-)
Riddle Sideways: ok, that card will be printed for my wall
Darren Islar: but I don't agree completely with you Yaku, I think we also need to develop something
Darren Islar: it is there, but not complete
Darren Islar: but we certainly don't need to reach beyond the stars
Riddle Sideways: we are completing by seeing them/that
Darren Islar: but trying to find the right way often feels to me like that
Darren Islar: right Riddle :-)
Darren Islar: ah, in that way
Darren Islar: ye Yaku
Adams Rubble: I wish you all a simple day :)
Darren Islar: *bye
Darren Islar: :-)
Darren Islar: that is a nice wixh
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go. Thanks for an uplifting chat, you all :)
Darren Islar: same here, and thanks too :-)
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
Darren Islar: bye everyone