2010.05.02 08:00 - Guardian Session: Less is More

There were 12 guardians present for this weekly session: Adams Rubble : Agatha Macbeth : Bleu Oleander : Eden Haiku : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : Pema Pera : Riddle Sideways : Yakuzza Lethecus : stevenaia Michinaga

Comments to be added soon! -Eliza

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine! :) Hi Ya!
Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku, Eliza
Maxine Walden: hi, Adams
Adams Rubble: Hello Maxine :)
Maxine Walden: you are joining Eliza in having beautiful outfits, Adams
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
Adams Rubble: Hello again Eliza and Agatha :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Agatha
Eden Haiku is Online
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Max
Maxine Walden: you know, this is like a fashion parade, to see what eac av is wearing
Agatha Macbeth: C'mon slowpokes!
Pema Pera is Online
Agatha Macbeth: Some fashion parade Max :)
Riddle Sideways: Hi (to many to mention)
Maxine Walden: :)) Agatha, yes I may have spoken a bit soon
Agatha Macbeth: At least we're not all in black this time
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Eos, Pem :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha, Steve, Riddle, Pema, Eos, and Lucinda ! :))
Agatha Macbeth: And Lucinda too
Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle, Yak, Eos, Pema, Lucinda and Eden :)
Lucinda Lavender: Hello
Eos Amaterasu: 02 May 2010Eliza
Eliza Madrigal:Eden!

Adams welcomes Lucinda as our latest PaB guardian!

Pera: hi everybody!
Maxine Walden: Eos' wonderful waves...
Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Lucinda, Welcome to the guardians :)
Maxine Walden: yes, Lucinda, welcome
Pema Pera: yes, welcome Lucinda!
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :::applause:::
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to have you here Lucinda, glad you could make it
Lucinda Lavender: yes, thanks glad too...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Edie, didn't see you arrive
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Eden Haiku: Hi everyone ;)
Adams Rubble: Hello Bleu :)
Agatha Macbeth: And Bleu too!
Maxine Walden: hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
Maxine Walden: wonderful to have so many at the guardian meeting
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to be back to a guardian session. Two weeks feels like two months... lots of excitement :) :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you back Liz :)
Eliza Madrigal: ty Agatha :)
Riddle Sideways: and welcome to Lucinda the newest guardian
Eos Amaterasu: (all bow to all)
Pema Pera: :-)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Pema Pera: (elbow to all, if you have a European accent)
Eos Amaterasu: This is delightful!

   

Lucinda Lavender: lovely that the roof is open to the sky!
Riddle Sideways: that is how some drop in
Agatha Macbeth: Not so lovely when Storm makes it rain
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Lucinda Lavender: :-)
Pema Pera: or snow . . .
Maxine Walden: Storm built this hall beautifully as he has done several other structures in SL for us
Eos Amaterasu: dew drop in
Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes
Pema Pera: (^_^)
Lucinda Lavender: very nice!
Agatha Macbeth cheers for Stormy
Eliza Madrigal: Seems a good time to let you know Lucinda, that Steve is our official 'mentor coordinator', so of course everyone can help with questions but Steve has made himself particularly available :)

   

Pema Pera: Hi Alex! This is a closed meeting -- you are welcome to join us at our regular meetings, four times a day -- see http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Lucinda Lavender: good to know...
Pema Pera: we meet at 1 and 7, am and pm, so please come join us then
Eos Amaterasu: (nicely handled, Piet)
Maxine Walden: Eliza, it seemed such a good idea to remind us that this guardian meeting is for us as guardians to bring up things that we might be concerned about or have questions about
Pema Pera: (thanks, Eos)

Maxine Walden: One question did come up in my discussion with one of the guardians: how to handle potentially disruptive behaviour, when to put limits on that and just how to do that. would that be good for us to review?
Eliza Madrigal: Seems a great topic
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, agreed
stevenaia Michinaga: has that been a problem recently?
Riddle Sideways: a subject that has come up many times before
Maxine Walden: apparently for one or more guardians recently, and yes, a topic we have considered a lot in the past, but maybe some newer guardians have not been in on that conversation
Eliza Madrigal nods. I think we've found in various discussions that 'disruptive' is very much something to judge in the moment ... and that we very much want to support one another in making that judgement
stevenaia Michinaga: unfortunately each situation is unique, but there seems to be an array of responce
Eliza Madrigal: and that we don't want to be too quick about it, but there are times to be 'firm'?
Adams Rubble: It is good for all to know there are tools at our disposal if it ever got that far
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Eos Amaterasu: (superpowers :-)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Agatha Macbeth grins
Eden Haiku: Superpowers, that is nice to know!
Riddle Sideways: one of the frist tools is gentle leadership of the chat
Eos Amaterasu: yes!
stevenaia Michinaga: has anyone actually been banned?
Eos Amaterasu: that is the most super power of all, cause it happens with no effort!
Eos Amaterasu: (re gentle leadership)
Maxine Walden: don't know, Steve
Pema Pera: yes, a few, Steve
Riddle Sideways: years ago
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Pema Pera: but those were such obvious grievers
Pema Pera: coming in with loud music, etc
Eos Amaterasu: griefers
Agatha Macbeth: At least you can mute music...
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, people who seem to enjoy being disruptive, or can't help themselves
Pema Pera: but also dancing wildly, bringing their buddies, Agatha
Bleu Oleander: can you mute music for everyone or only individually?
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Pema Pera: real griefers are unmistakable and you don't want to encourage them
Agatha Macbeth: True
Eos Amaterasu: in an extreme case you can eject a person (you'll find that in your righ-click menu if you have your guardian tag on)
Eliza Madrigal: Banning is quite complex as I understand from Storm... one has to ban from several places. 'Eject' can be helpful to just break up the rhythm of the disruption though
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I see it on the right click menu
Eos Amaterasu: (oh oh)
Pema Pera: afraid Steve will do target practice, Eos?
Eden Haiku: I'm afraid I don't know what a guardian tag is Eos?
Pema Pera: Play as Bouncers
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, just testing
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Eos Amaterasu: If you have a group selected in your profile
Eos Amaterasu: you see its name hovering over you
Eliza Madrigal: ...bouncing into graceland....
Bleu Oleander: I don't see an eject option on my pie menue
Agatha Macbeth: Liz! :DDD
Eos Amaterasu: then those extra possibilities on the right-click menu appear when you're on guardian land
Eliza Madrigal: :)

   

stevenaia Michinaga: lucinda is offline... not ejected, FYI
Eliza Madrigal: hahah Steve
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Pema Pera: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: that would NOT be a nice way to welcome
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: can you self eject, I wonder . . . .
stevenaia Michinaga: unless EJECT kicks them out of SL
Lucinda Lavender is Online
Agatha Macbeth: With a parachute?
Eliza Madrigal: WB Lucinda! Steve assured us you had not been ejected :)))
Eden Haiku: Ok, thanks Eos.
Agatha Macbeth: wb Lucinda
Maxine Walden: brb, not self ejecting...
Eos Amaterasu: (Lucinda, you may need to walk over to cross the sim boundary that divides this place)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: /
Lucinda Lavender: now?
Eliza Madrigal: On the topic, there is also the issue of 'after the session' ... commenting in a chat log about the disruption or about something not quite a disruption but strange. I think 'keep it simple' is a good rule of thumb?
Eos Amaterasu: (actually you seem fine now)
Pema Pera: (Eden, Bleu and Lucinda are in a different sim, but that doesn't matter -- the place is made to allow more than 40 avatars, hence two sims)
Lucinda Lavender: good...
Lucinda Lavender: i see
Pema Pera: (it splits down the middle of the hall)
Riddle Sideways: another soft tool is to IM the person and have a side conversation
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, always a good idea
Pema Pera: indeed
Riddle Sideways: however that might aggreivate situation too

   

Lucinda Lavender: that reminds me of what we do in my class at school.
stevenaia Michinaga: I ahve found the most dificult people are ones with their own agenda that has nothing to do with PaB, they do seem to go on unrelenting at times
Lucinda Lavender: we invite the person to walk down the hall for a cracker...
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eos Amaterasu: me listens
Lucinda Lavender: :-)
Riddle Sideways: however all of us would foolow of a cracker
Lucinda Lavender: lol
Agatha Macbeth: For certain definitions of 'cracker' :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes also, engaging a person more intensely can relax them... bring them into the group more as they feel acknowledged....
Pema Pera: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: M, yes
Lucinda Lavender: the other technique when an object becomes a problem is is to cover it with a towel.
Pema Pera: hahaha like a canary?
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Agatha Macbeth: ??
Lucinda Lavender: :_)
Lucinda Lavender: when out of sight it disappears!
Pema Pera: sorry, Lucinda, just had that image of a bird in a cage chirping
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Eliza Madrigal: So if the topic itself seems to trigger the person, might be good to cover it for a moment... change course?
Maxine Walden: back and catching up on the conversation...
Eos Amaterasu: cover it?
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps
Agatha Macbeth likes 'When out of sight it disappears' :D
Eliza Madrigal: :)

   

Eos Amaterasu looks for towel in inventory
Pema Pera: :)
Lucinda Lavender: lovely ...yes
Eliza Madrigal thinks of invisibility cloaks
Eos Amaterasu: cones of silence
Lucinda Lavender: great idea
Pema Pera: a wet towel, sometimes?
Lucinda Lavender: not wet on purpose
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, to be sure Lucinda so t'is...
Pema Pera: or is that wet blanket?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure storm or Wol can work something like that up
Eos Amaterasu: maybe a sudden targeted thunderstorm?
Eliza Madrigal: hahahaa
Agatha Macbeth: Probably
Eliza Madrigal: I think only Storm has weather superpowers
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: weather...
Lucinda Lavender: love it
Agatha Macbeth: He is Superstorm
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it rains and show here Lucinda
stevenaia Michinaga: *snows
Lucinda Lavender: nover have seen it but look forward to it.
Eliza Madrigal: whether the weather is cold... or whether the weather is hot...

   

Riddle Sideways: oh dear, I don't have a towel. Would not make it in the hitchkhikers guide world
Agatha Macbeth: True
Eliza Madrigal: we'll weather the weather, whatever the weather, whether we like it or not :)
Agatha Macbeth: The Vogons would doubtless get you
Lucinda Lavender: the towel is used when there are boundary issues around objects
Eliza Madrigal: (sorry -ha- Lucinda prob knows that one )
Lucinda Lavender: :-)
Pema Pera: as for difficult situations, I don't think there is any rule that we can draw up
Maxine Walden: nice weather poem, Eliza, and maybe as guardians we weather all kinds of emotional weather as well
Pema Pera: we'll have to "wing it" depending on the situation
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Pema Pera: which is much more fun in any case, an interesting challenge
Agatha Macbeth: Handle each situation on its merits?
Eliza Madrigal nods
Pema Pera: yes, in its own context
Bleu Oleander: that would require judgement on our parts?
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: indeed
Pema Pera: yes
Eos Amaterasu: things tend to happen in patterns
Bleu Oleander: uh oh
Pema Pera: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: heheh Bleu
Maxine Walden: yes, and each of us may see those merits slightly differently and act differently, but we try to support each other in those choices
Bleu Oleander: looks for judgement in inventory
Agatha Macbeth: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: no two peaple will handle the same situation in the same way
Maxine Walden: :)) bleu
Riddle Sideways: no judgement or common sence in my inventory
Eliza Madrigal: but as with all things we learn from one another's experiences
Bleu Oleander: must be a special script
Agatha Macbeth: Or mine!
Maxine Walden: :)) Riddle
Pema Pera: "the towel of judgment"
Lucinda Lavender: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
Pema Pera: "the tower of babel"
Maxine Walden: as opposed to a tower of judgment
Pema Pera: (if you like to switch r and l )
stevenaia Michinaga: whre is King Soloman when you need him
Agatha Macbeth: The towel of Babel?
Eliza Madrigal: eeek, hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Or Nimrod
Eden Haiku: :)Agatha
Bleu Oleander: the towel for babel
Maxine Walden: maybe search with a trowel for discerning judgment, dig a little
Eliza Madrigal thinks there is little concern of these sessions becoming too structured anytime soon
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Agatha Macbeth: Trowel or towel?
Eden Haiku: trowel to dig ou towel of Babel?
Bleu Oleander: did someone say structure?
Pema Pera: trowling for terms?
Maxine Walden: I thought of trowel, Agatha, just to bring in another word and direction for searching
Agatha Macbeth: Structure?
Agatha Macbeth: Aha max
Bleu Oleander: structure? where .... get out the towels
Eden Haiku: ;)
Lucinda Lavender: this makes me think of gardening and the compost pile.
Eliza Madrigal: remove all evidence ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Deny all knowledge
Pema Pera: cultivating
Maxine Walden: ah, yes, Pema
Bleu Oleander: true to our tags
Pema Pera: Lucinda: gardening
Lucinda Lavender: feeding my worms and chickens
Pema Pera: oh my
Bleu Oleander: feels the need to get my towel ready
Agatha Macbeth: Or feeding your worms *to* chickens
Pema Pera: feels the need to shake out his towel
Lucinda Lavender: they do like them
Lucinda Lavender: sorry
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth grinz
Lucinda Lavender: lucinda imagines creating a compost heap in 2L
Eos Amaterasu: old inventory items
Agatha Macbeth holds her nose

Pema Pera: btw, I just found a nice quote from Storm, three months after we started PaB, about problems with trying to come up with rules, and preference for no rules, or very short ones . . . here is the quote
Eliza Madrigal: well, whatever happens adds to the ground...
Pema Pera: I'm reminded of the road signs at the exit of a tunnel somewhere in the
mountain of Europe. The designer needed to say the following:
* If your lights are on, but it's daylight outside, please switch your
lights off
* If your lights are on, and it's night time outside, please keep your
lights on
* If your lights are off, and it's daylight outside, please keep your lights
off
* If your lights are off, but it's night time outside, please switch your
lights on

Clearly this was too much for a road sign. So instead he put up a sign
saying the following:
"Please check your lights!"

Less can be more.

Agatha Macbeth: :)
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Check your towels too
Pema Pera: hahaha
Maxine Walden: going to the heart of the matter...
Eden Haiku: Excellent quote about rules Pema!
Agatha Macbeth zooms in
Pema Pera: Bleu, can you make a designer PaB towel for us?
Bleu Oleander: of course
Eos Amaterasu: monogrammed?
Bleu Oleander: w/logo
Agatha Macbeth: In black
Eden Haiku: Please, for each of us Bleu ;)
Pema Pera: we could wear it as bandanas too
Adams Rubble: Speak softly and carry a big stick
Lucinda Lavender: I have one more tool from school!
Riddle Sideways: can we go to a SL hotel and steal the towels
Eden Haiku: Before you leave for New York :)
Bleu Oleander: carry a big towel, Adams
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha Riddle
Pema Pera: hehehe Riddle
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Maxine Walden: one more tool, Lucinda?
Eos Amaterasu wonders if he ever heard the end of the cracker story
Lucinda Lavender: yes... it is the ticket.
Eos Amaterasu: as in yellow ticket?
Maxine Walden: listening re the ticket...
Lucinda Lavender: a name on paper
Riddle Sideways: whose name?
Lucinda Lavender: when someone has work that is unfishished the ticket can be placed there.
Lucinda Lavender: calls a child to the next activity ...I really meant to save the please save card...
Lucinda Lavender: The please save is what we use to save some ones work
Eliza Madrigal: "keep them moving"
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lucinda Lavender: and to dis engage them yes
Bleu Oleander: is this the cracker story?
Lucinda Lavender: sort of...
Bleu Oleander feels lost
Eos Amaterasu wants his cracker

Maxine Walden: yes, a place holding ticket, but also holding the place of, respecting unfinished work...nice because disruption is often about 'being remembered' in some way

Eliza Madrigal: the canary took it Eos
Lucinda Lavender: you might lay the please save down upon the work and call the child with a "ticket " to enjoy a walk to get a cracker.
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes Maxine!!
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for bringing it back to compassion
Eos Amaterasu: Excellent!
Lucinda Lavender: all done gently
Eliza Madrigal: not that we left, really... but I appreciate the focus
Agatha Macbeth: Com-pa-shun
Eliza Madrigal: :)

   

Eos Amaterasu: Would like to mention retreats before we leave....
Lucinda Lavender: sometimes we please save the messes
Eliza Madrigal listens Eos
Agatha Macbeth: Fire away Eos
Eos Amaterasu: the Nova Scotia retreat August 1-7 is upcoming
Eos Amaterasu: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retreats/2010-07_Nova_Scotia has all the info
sophia Placebo is Offline
Eos Amaterasu: plls let me know if you can or would like to attend
Eos Amaterasu: Also, San Francisco retreat just ended
Pema Pera: do want to describe the setting in NS a bit, Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retreats/2010-04_California has some links to photos, as well as to some retreat reports/reflections
Bleu Oleander: is there a special SF session?
Pema Pera: in four hours, Bleu
Pema Pera: 1 pm SLT today
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: oh great
Eos Amaterasu: In Nova Scotia the retreat will be in the woods, so to speak
Pema Pera: (http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Theme_Sessions)
Eos Amaterasu: at Windhorse Farm, which is a kind of stewardship and sustainability experiment
Bleu Oleander: ty Pema!
Eos Amaterasu: The caretaker has a kind of forest practice
Eos Amaterasu: The retreat will be five full days
Lucinda Lavender: may I read them?
stevenaia Michinaga: is the snow still there in August?(looking at pictures)
Eos Amaterasu: Monday thru Friday Aug 2 -6
Agatha Macbeth: Probably
Eos Amaterasu: first session is diiner Aug 1 (Sat)
Eos Amaterasu: No snow in August :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Environment makes a huge difference in retreats
sophia Placebo is Online
Eos Amaterasu: show how unseparate we are
Eos Amaterasu: NS will be quite different from SF
Pema Pera: :)
Pema Pera: Lucinda, feel free to join us in NS, even better than reading :-)
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu: Retreats partly explore the question of where, which world, is Play as Being, or Being for that matter :-)
Pema Pera: Being exploring where to find Being . . . .
Eliza Madrigal: hm, and seem to show up - Being 'wherever we are'
Eos Amaterasu: AT Windhorse Farm all accomodatons/food will be provided.
Eliza Madrigal sees the time and realizes she has another meeting. May I ask that someone send me the end of the conversation?
Maxine Walden: wonderful discussion, see you at 1pm theme session
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you so much everyone, and happy to have you here Lucinda :)
Adams Rubble: I must be off too. Bye everyone :)
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome again, to all of us :)
Maxine Walden: bye all for now
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Off to WOK now Liz?
Riddle Sideways: ty all, sorry but can not make the 1pm
Bleu Oleander: bye everyone!
Eliza Madrigal nods to Ag :)
Pema Pera: bye everybody!
Agatha Macbeth: I'll come too :)
Eliza Madrigal: yay :)
Riddle Sideways: bye all
Lucinda Lavender: thanks...