2010.05.02 08:00 - Guardian Session: Less is More

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    There were 12 guardians present for this weekly session: Adams Rubble : Agatha Macbeth : Bleu Oleander : Eden Haiku : Eliza Madrigal : Eos Amaterasu : Lucinda Lavender : Maxine Walden : Pema Pera : Riddle Sideways : Yakuzza Lethecus : stevenaia Michinaga

    Comments to be added soon! -Eliza

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine! :) Hi Ya!
    Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku, Eliza
    Maxine Walden: hi, Adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: you are joining Eliza in having beautiful outfits, Adams
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello again Eliza and Agatha :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Agatha
    Eden Haiku is Online
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Max
    Maxine Walden: you know, this is like a fashion parade, to see what eac av is wearing
    Agatha Macbeth: C'mon slowpokes!
    Pema Pera is Online
    Agatha Macbeth: Some fashion parade Max :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi (to many to mention)
    Maxine Walden: :)) Agatha, yes I may have spoken a bit soon
    Agatha Macbeth: At least we're not all in black this time
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Eos, Pem :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha, Steve, Riddle, Pema, Eos, and Lucinda ! :))
    Agatha Macbeth: And Lucinda too
    Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle, Yak, Eos, Pema, Lucinda and Eden :)
    Lucinda Lavender: Hello
    Eos Amaterasu: 02 May 2010Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal:Eden!

    Adams welcomes Lucinda as our latest PaB guardian!

    Pera: hi everybody!
    Maxine Walden: Eos' wonderful waves...
    Adams Rubble: Nice to meet you Lucinda, Welcome to the guardians :)
    Maxine Walden: yes, Lucinda, welcome
    Pema Pera: yes, welcome Lucinda!
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :::applause:::
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to have you here Lucinda, glad you could make it
    Lucinda Lavender: yes, thanks glad too...
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Edie, didn't see you arrive
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
    Eden Haiku: Hi everyone ;)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Bleu :)
    Agatha Macbeth: And Bleu too!
    Maxine Walden: hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
    Maxine Walden: wonderful to have so many at the guardian meeting
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to be back to a guardian session. Two weeks feels like two months... lots of excitement :) :)
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you back Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal: ty Agatha :)
    Riddle Sideways: and welcome to Lucinda the newest guardian
    Eos Amaterasu: (all bow to all)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Pema Pera: (elbow to all, if you have a European accent)
    Eos Amaterasu: This is delightful!


    Lucinda Lavender: lovely that the roof is open to the sky!
    Riddle Sideways: that is how some drop in
    Agatha Macbeth: Not so lovely when Storm makes it rain
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    Lucinda Lavender: :-)
    Pema Pera: or snow . . .
    Maxine Walden: Storm built this hall beautifully as he has done several other structures in SL for us
    Eos Amaterasu: dew drop in
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes
    Pema Pera: (^_^)
    Lucinda Lavender: very nice!
    Agatha Macbeth cheers for Stormy
    Eliza Madrigal: Seems a good time to let you know Lucinda, that Steve is our official 'mentor coordinator', so of course everyone can help with questions but Steve has made himself particularly available :)


    Pema Pera: Hi Alex! This is a closed meeting -- you are welcome to join us at our regular meetings, four times a day -- see http://playasbeing.wik.is/
    Lucinda Lavender: good to know...
    Pema Pera: we meet at 1 and 7, am and pm, so please come join us then
    Eos Amaterasu: (nicely handled, Piet)
    Maxine Walden: Eliza, it seemed such a good idea to remind us that this guardian meeting is for us as guardians to bring up things that we might be concerned about or have questions about
    Pema Pera: (thanks, Eos)

    Maxine Walden: One question did come up in my discussion with one of the guardians: how to handle potentially disruptive behaviour, when to put limits on that and just how to do that. would that be good for us to review?
    Eliza Madrigal: Seems a great topic
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, agreed
    stevenaia Michinaga: has that been a problem recently?
    Riddle Sideways: a subject that has come up many times before
    Maxine Walden: apparently for one or more guardians recently, and yes, a topic we have considered a lot in the past, but maybe some newer guardians have not been in on that conversation
    Eliza Madrigal nods. I think we've found in various discussions that 'disruptive' is very much something to judge in the moment ... and that we very much want to support one another in making that judgement
    stevenaia Michinaga: unfortunately each situation is unique, but there seems to be an array of responce
    Eliza Madrigal: and that we don't want to be too quick about it, but there are times to be 'firm'?
    Adams Rubble: It is good for all to know there are tools at our disposal if it ever got that far
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Eos Amaterasu: (superpowers :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Eden Haiku: Superpowers, that is nice to know!
    Riddle Sideways: one of the frist tools is gentle leadership of the chat
    Eos Amaterasu: yes!
    stevenaia Michinaga: has anyone actually been banned?
    Eos Amaterasu: that is the most super power of all, cause it happens with no effort!
    Eos Amaterasu: (re gentle leadership)
    Maxine Walden: don't know, Steve
    Pema Pera: yes, a few, Steve
    Riddle Sideways: years ago
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    Pema Pera: but those were such obvious grievers
    Pema Pera: coming in with loud music, etc
    Eos Amaterasu: griefers
    Agatha Macbeth: At least you can mute music...
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, people who seem to enjoy being disruptive, or can't help themselves
    Pema Pera: but also dancing wildly, bringing their buddies, Agatha
    Bleu Oleander: can you mute music for everyone or only individually?
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Pema Pera: real griefers are unmistakable and you don't want to encourage them
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    Eos Amaterasu: in an extreme case you can eject a person (you'll find that in your righ-click menu if you have your guardian tag on)
    Eliza Madrigal: Banning is quite complex as I understand from Storm... one has to ban from several places. 'Eject' can be helpful to just break up the rhythm of the disruption though
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I see it on the right click menu
    Eos Amaterasu: (oh oh)
    Pema Pera: afraid Steve will do target practice, Eos?
    Eden Haiku: I'm afraid I don't know what a guardian tag is Eos?
    Pema Pera: Play as Bouncers
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, just testing
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: If you have a group selected in your profile
    Eos Amaterasu: you see its name hovering over you
    Eliza Madrigal: ...bouncing into graceland....
    Bleu Oleander: I don't see an eject option on my pie menue
    Agatha Macbeth: Liz! :DDD
    Eos Amaterasu: then those extra possibilities on the right-click menu appear when you're on guardian land
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    stevenaia Michinaga: lucinda is offline... not ejected, FYI
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah Steve
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: that would NOT be a nice way to welcome
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: can you self eject, I wonder . . . .
    stevenaia Michinaga: unless EJECT kicks them out of SL
    Lucinda Lavender is Online
    Agatha Macbeth: With a parachute?
    Eliza Madrigal: WB Lucinda! Steve assured us you had not been ejected :)))
    Eden Haiku: Ok, thanks Eos.
    Agatha Macbeth: wb Lucinda
    Maxine Walden: brb, not self ejecting...
    Eos Amaterasu: (Lucinda, you may need to walk over to cross the sim boundary that divides this place)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: /
    Lucinda Lavender: now?
    Eliza Madrigal: On the topic, there is also the issue of 'after the session' ... commenting in a chat log about the disruption or about something not quite a disruption but strange. I think 'keep it simple' is a good rule of thumb?
    Eos Amaterasu: (actually you seem fine now)
    Pema Pera: (Eden, Bleu and Lucinda are in a different sim, but that doesn't matter -- the place is made to allow more than 40 avatars, hence two sims)
    Lucinda Lavender: good...
    Lucinda Lavender: i see
    Pema Pera: (it splits down the middle of the hall)
    Riddle Sideways: another soft tool is to IM the person and have a side conversation
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, always a good idea
    Pema Pera: indeed
    Riddle Sideways: however that might aggreivate situation too


    Lucinda Lavender: that reminds me of what we do in my class at school.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I ahve found the most dificult people are ones with their own agenda that has nothing to do with PaB, they do seem to go on unrelenting at times
    Lucinda Lavender: we invite the person to walk down the hall for a cracker...
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eos Amaterasu: me listens
    Lucinda Lavender: :-)
    Riddle Sideways: however all of us would foolow of a cracker
    Lucinda Lavender: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: For certain definitions of 'cracker' :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes also, engaging a person more intensely can relax them... bring them into the group more as they feel acknowledged....
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: M, yes
    Lucinda Lavender: the other technique when an object becomes a problem is is to cover it with a towel.
    Pema Pera: hahaha like a canary?
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Agatha Macbeth: ??
    Lucinda Lavender: :_)
    Lucinda Lavender: when out of sight it disappears!
    Pema Pera: sorry, Lucinda, just had that image of a bird in a cage chirping
    Lucinda Lavender: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: So if the topic itself seems to trigger the person, might be good to cover it for a moment... change course?
    Maxine Walden: back and catching up on the conversation...
    Eos Amaterasu: cover it?
    Lucinda Lavender: perhaps
    Agatha Macbeth likes 'When out of sight it disappears' :D
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    Eos Amaterasu looks for towel in inventory
    Pema Pera: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: lovely ...yes
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of invisibility cloaks
    Eos Amaterasu: cones of silence
    Lucinda Lavender: great idea
    Pema Pera: a wet towel, sometimes?
    Lucinda Lavender: not wet on purpose
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, to be sure Lucinda so t'is...
    Pema Pera: or is that wet blanket?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm sure storm or Wol can work something like that up
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe a sudden targeted thunderstorm?
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahaa
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably
    Eliza Madrigal: I think only Storm has weather superpowers
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: weather...
    Lucinda Lavender: love it
    Agatha Macbeth: He is Superstorm
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, it rains and show here Lucinda
    stevenaia Michinaga: *snows
    Lucinda Lavender: nover have seen it but look forward to it.
    Eliza Madrigal: whether the weather is cold... or whether the weather is hot...


    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, I don't have a towel. Would not make it in the hitchkhikers guide world
    Agatha Macbeth: True
    Eliza Madrigal: we'll weather the weather, whatever the weather, whether we like it or not :)
    Agatha Macbeth: The Vogons would doubtless get you
    Lucinda Lavender: the towel is used when there are boundary issues around objects
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry -ha- Lucinda prob knows that one )
    Lucinda Lavender: :-)
    Pema Pera: as for difficult situations, I don't think there is any rule that we can draw up
    Maxine Walden: nice weather poem, Eliza, and maybe as guardians we weather all kinds of emotional weather as well
    Pema Pera: we'll have to "wing it" depending on the situation
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Pema Pera: which is much more fun in any case, an interesting challenge
    Agatha Macbeth: Handle each situation on its merits?
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Pema Pera: yes, in its own context
    Bleu Oleander: that would require judgement on our parts?
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Eliza Madrigal: indeed
    Pema Pera: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: things tend to happen in patterns
    Bleu Oleander: uh oh
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh Bleu
    Maxine Walden: yes, and each of us may see those merits slightly differently and act differently, but we try to support each other in those choices
    Bleu Oleander: looks for judgement in inventory
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: no two peaple will handle the same situation in the same way
    Maxine Walden: :)) bleu
    Riddle Sideways: no judgement or common sence in my inventory
    Eliza Madrigal: but as with all things we learn from one another's experiences
    Bleu Oleander: must be a special script
    Agatha Macbeth: Or mine!
    Maxine Walden: :)) Riddle
    Pema Pera: "the towel of judgment"
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: lol
    Pema Pera: "the tower of babel"
    Maxine Walden: as opposed to a tower of judgment
    Pema Pera: (if you like to switch r and l )
    stevenaia Michinaga: whre is King Soloman when you need him
    Agatha Macbeth: The towel of Babel?
    Eliza Madrigal: eeek, hehehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Nimrod
    Eden Haiku: :)Agatha
    Bleu Oleander: the towel for babel
    Maxine Walden: maybe search with a trowel for discerning judgment, dig a little
    Eliza Madrigal thinks there is little concern of these sessions becoming too structured anytime soon
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Agatha Macbeth: Trowel or towel?
    Eden Haiku: trowel to dig ou towel of Babel?
    Bleu Oleander: did someone say structure?
    Pema Pera: trowling for terms?
    Maxine Walden: I thought of trowel, Agatha, just to bring in another word and direction for searching
    Agatha Macbeth: Structure?
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha max
    Bleu Oleander: structure? where .... get out the towels
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Lucinda Lavender: this makes me think of gardening and the compost pile.
    Eliza Madrigal: remove all evidence ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Deny all knowledge
    Pema Pera: cultivating
    Maxine Walden: ah, yes, Pema
    Bleu Oleander: true to our tags
    Pema Pera: Lucinda: gardening
    Lucinda Lavender: feeding my worms and chickens
    Pema Pera: oh my
    Bleu Oleander: feels the need to get my towel ready
    Agatha Macbeth: Or feeding your worms *to* chickens
    Pema Pera: feels the need to shake out his towel
    Lucinda Lavender: they do like them
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth grinz
    Lucinda Lavender: lucinda imagines creating a compost heap in 2L
    Eos Amaterasu: old inventory items
    Agatha Macbeth holds her nose

    Pema Pera: btw, I just found a nice quote from Storm, three months after we started PaB, about problems with trying to come up with rules, and preference for no rules, or very short ones . . . here is the quote
    Eliza Madrigal: well, whatever happens adds to the ground...
    Pema Pera: I'm reminded of the road signs at the exit of a tunnel somewhere in the
    mountain of Europe. The designer needed to say the following:
    * If your lights are on, but it's daylight outside, please switch your
    lights off
    * If your lights are on, and it's night time outside, please keep your
    lights on
    * If your lights are off, and it's daylight outside, please keep your lights
    * If your lights are off, but it's night time outside, please switch your
    lights on

    Clearly this was too much for a road sign. So instead he put up a sign
    saying the following:
    "Please check your lights!"

    Less can be more.

    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Check your towels too
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Maxine Walden: going to the heart of the matter...
    Eden Haiku: Excellent quote about rules Pema!
    Agatha Macbeth zooms in
    Pema Pera: Bleu, can you make a designer PaB towel for us?
    Bleu Oleander: of course
    Eos Amaterasu: monogrammed?
    Bleu Oleander: w/logo
    Agatha Macbeth: In black
    Eden Haiku: Please, for each of us Bleu ;)
    Pema Pera: we could wear it as bandanas too
    Adams Rubble: Speak softly and carry a big stick
    Lucinda Lavender: I have one more tool from school!
    Riddle Sideways: can we go to a SL hotel and steal the towels
    Eden Haiku: Before you leave for New York :)
    Bleu Oleander: carry a big towel, Adams
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha Riddle
    Pema Pera: hehehe Riddle
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Maxine Walden: one more tool, Lucinda?
    Eos Amaterasu wonders if he ever heard the end of the cracker story
    Lucinda Lavender: yes... it is the ticket.
    Eos Amaterasu: as in yellow ticket?
    Maxine Walden: listening re the ticket...
    Lucinda Lavender: a name on paper
    Riddle Sideways: whose name?
    Lucinda Lavender: when someone has work that is unfishished the ticket can be placed there.
    Lucinda Lavender: calls a child to the next activity ...I really meant to save the please save card...
    Lucinda Lavender: The please save is what we use to save some ones work
    Eliza Madrigal: "keep them moving"
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: and to dis engage them yes
    Bleu Oleander: is this the cracker story?
    Lucinda Lavender: sort of...
    Bleu Oleander feels lost
    Eos Amaterasu wants his cracker

    Maxine Walden: yes, a place holding ticket, but also holding the place of, respecting unfinished work...nice because disruption is often about 'being remembered' in some way

    Eliza Madrigal: the canary took it Eos
    Lucinda Lavender: you might lay the please save down upon the work and call the child with a "ticket " to enjoy a walk to get a cracker.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes Maxine!!
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for bringing it back to compassion
    Eos Amaterasu: Excellent!
    Lucinda Lavender: all done gently
    Eliza Madrigal: not that we left, really... but I appreciate the focus
    Agatha Macbeth: Com-pa-shun
    Eliza Madrigal: :)


    Eos Amaterasu: Would like to mention retreats before we leave....
    Lucinda Lavender: sometimes we please save the messes
    Eliza Madrigal listens Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: Fire away Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: the Nova Scotia retreat August 1-7 is upcoming
    Eos Amaterasu: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retreats/2010-07_Nova_Scotia has all the info
    sophia Placebo is Offline
    Eos Amaterasu: plls let me know if you can or would like to attend
    Eos Amaterasu: Also, San Francisco retreat just ended
    Pema Pera: do want to describe the setting in NS a bit, Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retreats/2010-04_California has some links to photos, as well as to some retreat reports/reflections
    Bleu Oleander: is there a special SF session?
    Pema Pera: in four hours, Bleu
    Pema Pera: 1 pm SLT today
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: oh great
    Eos Amaterasu: In Nova Scotia the retreat will be in the woods, so to speak
    Pema Pera: (http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Theme_Sessions)
    Eos Amaterasu: at Windhorse Farm, which is a kind of stewardship and sustainability experiment
    Bleu Oleander: ty Pema!
    Eos Amaterasu: The caretaker has a kind of forest practice
    Eos Amaterasu: The retreat will be five full days
    Lucinda Lavender: may I read them?
    stevenaia Michinaga: is the snow still there in August?(looking at pictures)
    Eos Amaterasu: Monday thru Friday Aug 2 -6
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably
    Eos Amaterasu: first session is diiner Aug 1 (Sat)
    Eos Amaterasu: No snow in August :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: Environment makes a huge difference in retreats
    sophia Placebo is Online
    Eos Amaterasu: show how unseparate we are
    Eos Amaterasu: NS will be quite different from SF
    Pema Pera: :)
    Pema Pera: Lucinda, feel free to join us in NS, even better than reading :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Retreats partly explore the question of where, which world, is Play as Being, or Being for that matter :-)
    Pema Pera: Being exploring where to find Being . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, and seem to show up - Being 'wherever we are'
    Eos Amaterasu: AT Windhorse Farm all accomodatons/food will be provided.
    Eliza Madrigal sees the time and realizes she has another meeting. May I ask that someone send me the end of the conversation?
    Maxine Walden: wonderful discussion, see you at 1pm theme session
    Eliza Madrigal: Thank you so much everyone, and happy to have you here Lucinda :)
    Adams Rubble: I must be off too. Bye everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Welcome again, to all of us :)
    Maxine Walden: bye all for now
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Off to WOK now Liz?
    Riddle Sideways: ty all, sorry but can not make the 1pm
    Bleu Oleander: bye everyone!
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Ag :)
    Pema Pera: bye everybody!
    Agatha Macbeth: I'll come too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yay :)
    Riddle Sideways: bye all
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks...

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