2011.08.07 07:00 - Not talking about cultural elitism

The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello dear Adams :)
Agatha Macbeth: How are we?
Adams Rubble: We look nice and summery :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, yes
Adams Rubble: I like your hat
Agatha Macbeth: in keeping with the times
Agatha Macbeth: ty
Agatha Macbeth: I can't get it any lower or my hair sticks out :(
Adams Rubble: hats are always a bit tricky
Agatha Macbeth: A common problem with SL headgear it seems
Adams Rubble: sometimes when you stretch them they then look enormous
Agatha Macbeth: Oh i don't even try
Agatha Macbeth: I would probably ruin them if tried to edit
Adams Rubble: yes, one of the pitfalls
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe LL will get it right one day [grin]
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: someone has to make a hair that will give
Adams Rubble: fit up under a hat
Agatha Macbeth: Well it would certainly help
Adams Rubble: of course you can buy hairs with hats but then you can't remove the hat. hehe
Agatha Macbeth: The worst is when you try to wear a cowl or hood, then I have to take of my hear completely :((
Adams Rubble: Hello Santoshima :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Sant
Santoshima Resident: hello to you all
Adams Rubble: of yes, Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Or put a buzzcut on!
Adams Rubble: we are discussing hats and hairs Santoshima
Santoshima Resident: ah
Adams Rubble: procrastinating I guess
Agatha Macbeth: And the vagaries thereof
Santoshima Resident: nothing vague about hair, it would seem
Adams Rubble: Hello Korel :)
Santoshima Resident: hi Korel
Agatha Macbeth: Well, when combined with headgear it often needs to be vague, sadly
Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo Korel
Korel Laloix smiles
Korel Laloix: Heya
Adams Rubble: Hello Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Adams :)
Agatha Macbeth: Liz :))
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Agatha, Korel, Santoshima :)
Santoshima Resident: hi Eliza
Korel Laloix: Hey
Adams Rubble: Was the session for the retreat yesterday?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... Wol posted it this morning so it is on the wiki now
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I had to miss it :(
Adams Rubble: I did too
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I'll read that
Adams Rubble: Oh good
Eliza Madrigal: we have recordings so no one has to miss almost anything, hehe
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Is there anything you would like to add Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: to yesterday's session?
Adams Rubble: yes, or at all
Adams Rubble can't believe it is 8 already
Agatha Macbeth: Hello FC
Adams Rubble: Hello FCSeeker :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi FcSeeker :)
Santoshima Resident: namaste Fc
FcSeeker Resident: Hello
Agatha Macbeth: My favouite panda :)
FcSeeker Resident: smiles
FcSeeker Resident: Eliza san Korel Aggers Adams

I had asked about the retreat and Eliza answers

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for asking Adams. It still seems early to talk about the discussions from retreat in some ways... TSK, Love, Awareness, being gentle :)
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose it trickles up and about
Adams Rubble: nice topics :)
Agatha Macbeth: You are like that all the time Liz...
Eliza Madrigal: aw
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Eliza Madrigal: that made teary Agatha, what a funny thing :)
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal: retreats make people overly sensitive, too, hah
Agatha Macbeth: It's good to be teary for the right reasons
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
Agatha Macbeth: IMHO
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: the grass is so perfect here for a Sunday morning
Adams Rubble: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it does look nice and green

I rezz some flowers Moon once gave me

Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Santoshima Resident: even better
Santoshima Resident: blades of grass
Agatha Macbeth: Did Moon just arrive? :p
Adams Rubble: summer sometimes creeps up on you :)
Santoshima Resident: and lupine
Adams Rubble: Moon created these, yes
Agatha Macbeth waits for a lion to appear from the undergrowth
Eliza Madrigal hears low roarings and rumblings
Santoshima Resident: meadows in the city
Santoshima Resident: holy santuaries
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Eliza Madrigal: What are your musings of late, Adams?
Adams Rubble: I have been pretty busy lately so my musings have been not that frequent :)
Adams Rubble: Which means I am pretty boring when here
Santoshima Resident: musings on busy-ness?
Adams Rubble: Hello Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
FcSeeker Resident: Hello Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Brucie! :)
Santoshima Resident: hey bruce
Eliza Madrigal hopes being here is a 'poked hole' in the busyness
Adams Rubble: Some times we just roll with the flow, being moved around by the waves
Agatha Macbeth: Waiting for a lifebelt
Adams Rubble: hehe Agatha. One thing I learned in PaB is we don;t need one
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone. . . [listens]
Agatha Macbeth listens to Bruce listening
FcSeeker Resident: <3
Eliza Madrigal: What about you Agatha? musings? (makes her way around the circle, hah)
Agatha Macbeth: About what particularly?
Agatha Macbeth: [scratches head]
Eliza Madrigal: yes that's my question
Eliza Madrigal grins
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Nothing much I'm afraid
Adams Rubble tosses Agatha a lifejacket
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Agatha Macbeth catches it in her teeth
Adams Rubble: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Woof!
Agatha Macbeth: (That's my other dog impression)
Eliza Madrigal: my daughter used to yell out "I have a question!" and we'd all stop... then she'd say "My question is...." and we'd stop again.... Then: "Potatoes" (or some such thing)
Agatha Macbeth: Potatoes?
Santoshima Resident: good question
Eliza Madrigal: yes, or anything that wasn't a question really :)
Agatha Macbeth: Riiight...
Bruce Mowbray predict's that Eliza's daughter will soon become a Zen master.
Korel Laloix: maybe it was performance art.
Agatha Macbeth: Evidently a surrealist
Eliza Madrigal laughs and sees daughter's room in mind's eye, knowing she has a ways to go
Agatha Macbeth: She could have shouted 'grapes'
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Korel... musings?
FcSeeker Resident: waves to Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: My dog and I are going for a walk while it's still cook outside.
Bruce Mowbray: May you all be well and happy.
Adams Rubble: bye Bruce :)
--BELL--
Santoshima Resident: bye bruce, happy trails
Eliza Madrigal: OK Bruce, bye for now
Agatha Macbeth: Throw him a stick Brucie
Korel Laloix: I tired to have a chat her about cultural eliteism the other day, but no ne really wanted to go down that path.
Korel Laloix: tried
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like something Rhi might be interested in
FcSeeker Resident: sadly my RL calls also
Santoshima Resident: perhaps we can talk some other time korel and all,
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Eliza Madrigal: Bye FcS
Agatha Macbeth: Aww, bye FC
Santoshima Resident: i must go
Adams Rubble: bye Fc :)
FcSeeker Resident: takes a humble bow
FcSeeker Resident: namaste
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Santoshima too :)
Adams Rubble: Bye Santoshima :)
Agatha Macbeth waves to the mass exodus
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think it is in an interesting topic but not sure how to approach it in an open awareness sort of way
Agatha Macbeth: It wasn't you this time Korel - honestly :ppp
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Korel Laloix: There is a trend though....
Agatha Macbeth grins
Korel Laloix: I naturally annoy people even in SL...
Korel Laloix: I have my tallents.
Agatha Macbeth: People are only annoyed if they wish to be...
Korel Laloix: I with that were true.. something just get me going regardless of how I try to ignore or compartmentalize them.
Agatha Macbeth: Count to nine Korel - that's the secret :)
Korel Laloix: I wil give it a tr.
Eliza Madrigal: definitely don't want to ignore nor compartmentaliza....
Agatha Macbeth smiles and hugs
Eliza Madrigal: compartmentalize*, ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, a tricky one that
Korel Laloix: I think that is a made up word anyways.... but heard it a couple of times recently.
Eliza Madrigal: we really should be able to include almost anything in discussion.... holding in an open way
Agatha Macbeth: A portmanteau?
Korel Laloix: A what?
Eliza Madrigal leans in too
Agatha Macbeth: A made up word :P
Eliza Madrigal: =P~
Agatha Macbeth: Like 'embiggen' :0
Agatha Macbeth: Good grief, we're having a monsoon here
Adams Rubble: oh my
Agatha Macbeth: Glad I didn't mow the back lawn now
Korel Laloix: IT is 930am and 91F
Korel Laloix: Supposed to get up to 109 today.
Agatha Macbeth: Ick
Eliza Madrigal pictures Agatha with lawn boots and straw hat, mowing yard
Adams Rubble: wow 109
Eliza Madrigal: ack, Korel
Agatha Macbeth: Well, I got the straw hat...
Eliza Madrigal: we were supposed to have a hurricane/tropical storm this weekend but thankfully it is all clear :)
Agatha Macbeth: Just as well
Korel Laloix: Good.
Agatha Macbeth: We all remember what happened to NO
Eliza Madrigal: indeed, still not recovered
Adams Rubble: Hello druth :)
Eliza Madrigal: and concerns about Haiti this time too, which really needs some time to heal
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth
druth Vlodovic: hi guys
Agatha Macbeth: Can you imagine sorting out all those insurance claims? OMG
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Druth
Korel Laloix: The whole NO things still puzzles me.
Eliza Madrigal: yes, I went through Andrew, when many had to write numbers on the sides of houses and many read "please help"
Adams Rubble: much of New Orleans was below sea level
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't PAB have a retreat there?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Was that before or after?
Adams Rubble: after
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: we stayed to one little area mostly, and that was just this year Agatha... January
Agatha Macbeth: So you saw the after-effects fist hand?
Agatha Macbeth: first*
Eliza Madrigal: I'd never been there before so it is hard to judge what it was like before, but the feeling in some places was definitely tired
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I can imagine
Eliza Madrigal: still a vibrant and unique culture though
Adams Rubble: there are aareas still depopulated
Agatha Macbeth: Oh definitely
Eliza Madrigal: but you have to sort of hunt for it
Adams Rubble: there were high areas less affected
Agatha Macbeth: I'd love to go there
Korel Laloix: I went to MG a couple of years before Katrina.... nice parts and not so nice parts.
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: the parts aimed at tourists have that sense of not being able to afford to take chances, so nearly every restaurant for instance, has similar food. Diversity is a sign of health, I think
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, could be Liz
Eliza Madrigal: but a little farther, near Frenchman Steet for instance, a very unique scene and lively music, etc
Agatha Macbeth: I think diversity is one of the main attractions
druth Vlodovic: I came across a "chip truck" that sells pancackes and mini-donuts
Eliza Madrigal: a particular way of dancing that is very fun
druth Vlodovic: I asked about it and she told me it was to make them distinctive from other trucks
Agatha Macbeth: Must be great at mardi gras time
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: It was good I have to say.... was down there for a track thing.
Korel Laloix: But it was still when I was on ADHD drugs so I can't actualy say I enjoyed it.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: :(
Eliza Madrigal: one night we watched this large group dancing... half of them were wearing fake mustaches
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Adams Rubble: :)
Korel Laloix: The other half have real ones?
Korel Laloix: /em grins
Eliza Madrigal: the little french style...
Eliza Madrigal: hahha
druth Vlodovic: awsome
Eliza Madrigal: Well, what was nice is that there was this older lady, and all the young guys were taking turns to dance with her because she was amazing
Agatha Macbeth: Nice :)
Eliza Madrigal: she could go and go... had not seen spontaneous dancing so well done, in well... maybe never
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't Tina Turner was it?
Korel Laloix: I do like to dance... want to try ballroom and latin again though.
Eliza Madrigal: haha, she could have given Tina a run for her money
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, me too Korel... salsa
Agatha Macbeth: The lambada
Adams Rubble: Hello Steve :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Stevie
Agatha Macbeth: You look rather blue
Eliza Madrigal: I asked myself when in NO, what would make people stay when it is so hard to make a living etc... but when I think of that scene, I know
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Stevie! wow, big change
stevenaia Michinaga: like the sky, not the emotion
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Liz
Agatha Macbeth: and smiles @ Steve
Eliza Madrigal: interesting that discussion of NO should come up after not talking about cultural elitism :)
stevenaia Michinaga: gtsy all
Agatha Macbeth: How so Liz?
Eliza Madrigal: well, the pace of rescue... many think that it had to do with a sense of voicelessness
Eliza Madrigal: invisibility
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see what you mean, yes
Agatha Macbeth: The way certain people seemed to get left behind by the rescuers
Korel Laloix: I have no idea why someone would want to live with hurricanes on the coast, or earthquakes in California..... but I don't worry about tornadoes here at all.... silly me
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Adams Rubble: The earth looks so stable when we walk on it
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Highly unstable below the surface tho
Eliza Madrigal: this few weeks, news has covered the debt issue and yet there is so much going on in the world, so many invisible issues
Agatha Macbeth: Sadly, there are always issues
Agatha Macbeth: many of which go unseen
druth Vlodovic: I was reading a bit about a wartorn city, the women wanted peroxide in order to dye their hair, a strange indication that stability and normalcy is created inside the head
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Druth!
Eliza Madrigal: how strange
Eliza Madrigal: but I guess it is something to control
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, who wants to be blonde anyway?
Adams Rubble: hey
Agatha Macbeth: ooops
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Sry
Adams Rubble: :)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe part of the unhappiness we feel is simply imbalance... we can't affect every issue but our compartments are too tight
Agatha Macbeth did not mean to be hairist
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: (changed hair color yesterday , they were out of peroxide)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Korel Laloix: And then there are people like me that that dye their hair black... we always want what we don't have... or what other people pressure us into wanting.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed Korel...too true
druth Vlodovic: it is hard to see the meaning of symbols we are born with
Eliza Madrigal nods
Agatha Macbeth: Often done to 'conform'
Adams Rubble: I am going to have to go back to RL unfortunately as the conversation is getting interesting :)
druth Vlodovic: g2g, have fun guys
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bye Adams and Druth, thanks

I left a little after the hour and was surprised to see it lasted much longer

Adams Rubble: I hope everyone has a good day or evening ot whatever time it is
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I must go and eat...
Eliza Madrigal: Cya Agatha too
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks everybody, take care...
Adams Rubble: whoops, forgot the flowers
Eliza Madrigal: and so go the flowers....
stevenaia Michinaga: see you all soon
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Stevie
Adams Rubble: bye :)
Korel Laloix: Ciao
stevenaia Michinaga: waves
Korel Laloix: Having nachoes for breakfast.... smiles
Eliza Madrigal: I just ate the remainder of ginger brocoli tofu, from last night
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Eliza Madrigal: breakfasts of champions
Korel Laloix: wow.... that sounds...... indeible... smiles
Korel Laloix: But a lot of people describe what I eat as that as well...
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: there are a lot of strange sounding things which are actually quite good
Korel Laloix: I am glad you are around to eat tofu and brocholi, otherwise I might have to.
Eliza Madrigal: this is what my kids think too
Korel Laloix: lol
Eliza Madrigal: well, aside from the broccoli
Korel Laloix: Actaully I like vegi food.
Korel Laloix: My first RL gril was a Janist.
Korel Laloix: SO she was strick veg.
Eliza Madrigal: oh, wow
Eliza Madrigal: I've not met a modern Janist
Korel Laloix: Her and her mom were outstanding cooks.
Eliza Madrigal: that's the thing... with a few good skills one can have a very diverse diet
Korel Laloix: She was born in Pune.... I guess not a normal place for Janes.
Eliza Madrigal: but most of us are lacking in basic knowledge now, about food
Eliza Madrigal: (imo)
Eliza Madrigal: Janists 'do no harm' to an extreme, correct?
Korel Laloix: THat is one part of their way.
Eliza Madrigal: I think of Buddhism this way too, but if I remember right, Janists go farther somehow, maybe more aesthetic?
Korel Laloix: I was thuroughly uninstrested in religion at the time, so I did not pres her for a lot of details.
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
Korel Laloix: I think you are right though.
stevenaia Michinaga: back,
Eliza Madrigal: So this was before your religious exploration?
Eliza Madrigal: Hi S :)
Eliza Madrigal: but I guess you weren't hostile to it either
Korel Laloix: I was sort of hostile to it then.
Korel Laloix: But at the time, my priorities were different (think sex)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: sex and religion seem to get in one another's way.... but shouldn't :)
Korel Laloix: And I was brought up hating really only the abrahamic religions.
Korel Laloix: So it was just odd.
Eliza Madrigal: really? ah... so you have gone through a huge shift in a way
Korel Laloix: Huge is proably the right word.
Eliza Madrigal: I was brought up not being allowed to consider any other than abrahamic religions, but not being allowed to question anything, it deadened interest
Eliza Madrigal: Hi RIddle :)
Eliza Madrigal: for a long time... that changed eventually
Riddle Sideways: Hi all, still here?
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)) you?
Korel Laloix: Heya.
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Riddle
Korel Laloix: I am mostly here.. when not much on breakfast nachoes.
Riddle Sideways: did not read an email correctly
Eliza Madrigal: oh?
Riddle Sideways: lots more fishes circling today
Eliza Madrigal: Stevie has been multiplying
Riddle Sideways: but please excuse, continue with the topic
Korel Laloix: What I find interesting to my brain is how I enend up pretty much exactly what my mother raised me to hate..... I bet not a coincidence.
Korel Laloix: But no regrets there either.
Eliza Madrigal: well and we are all still in flux
Eliza Madrigal: but yes it is interesting... the main thing is that something sparked you
Korel Laloix: Well, I could not turn Jewish.... but everyint else.... lol
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: I've tried on many faiths and found/fine love in each one :)
stevenaia Michinaga: why could you not turn jewish?
Eliza Madrigal: *find
Korel Laloix: I could faith wise, but not genitcially I guess.
Riddle Sideways: is ok, did it for you :)
Korel Laloix: wado
Eliza Madrigal: For me I find an open context is important...
stevenaia Michinaga: never thought f it quite like that
Eliza Madrigal: so there is a family background/tradition aspect
Eliza Madrigal: and then there is what inspires one personally
Eliza Madrigal: and often, they don't have to disagree
Eliza Madrigal: but there is a false feeling that they do
Korel Laloix: I wish I was more selp inspired or self motivated.
Korel Laloix: A good part of my personal drive is proving people wrong about me.
stevenaia Michinaga: some things you can't "ask " for
stevenaia Michinaga: but you can wait fr
Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes
stevenaia Michinaga: *for
Eliza Madrigal: or seeing the ways we're always fighting with ourselves
Eliza Madrigal: exhausting to prove people wrong all the time :)
stevenaia Michinaga: like... love, usually you find it when you are not looking for it
Korel Laloix: Yes, but it get me fanstastic grades.... smiles... frowns
Eliza Madrigal: much fun to prove oneself wrong
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite
Riddle Sideways: Hi Aph
Korel Laloix: Much more fun to prove others wrong though.
stevenaia Michinaga: hi APh
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello allHello
Korel Laloix: Heya
Aphrodite Macbain: Am I sitting on a cushion?
Aphrodite Macbain: or in the fountain?
Korel Laloix: I think so.
Eliza Madrigal: you're on a cushion Aph... in the second row
Korel Laloix: I find the coushions in the fountain to be as comfy as the dry ones.
Korel Laloix: The blue ones are better though I think.
Eliza Madrigal: was going to ask you to move in but you can't see yourself Aph?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: oNo not very well
Aphrodite Macbain: not very well
Korel Laloix: STil thinking about what motivates us.
Korel Laloix: But more interesting to me is is what demotivates us.
Eliza Madrigal: I love so much about rituals and religious traditions... tried many times to stick with/to one , mostly based on admiration of someone I met who resonated *deep connection*
Eliza Madrigal: now I have many practices but the second I say "I am this" it will poof, just know it... haha
Korel Laloix: In terms of my faith, what really defines it for me is the connection... the relationship.
Eliza Madrigal: direct experience rather than the ideas?
Korel Laloix: Yes.... very personal.
Korel Laloix: And that was what realy surprized me.
Eliza Madrigal: surprising conversion?
Korel Laloix: I sort of expected the church thing to be about the social seting.... My ENglish is really failing here.
Riddle Sideways: and interpersonal, then connections of family while doing some shared tradition
Korel Laloix: Exactly not that Riddle.
Riddle Sideways: ok
Korel Laloix: That was what I expected, thank you for saying it.
Korel Laloix: It was a personal connecting with the person of God.
Eliza Madrigal: mmm
Korel Laloix: I had such a small understanding of religion, it was like I had to through everyint I knew awy and start over...
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Very odd expereince.
Eliza Madrigal: you know, maybe because you don't romanticize things generally, it is very interesting to hear you share about this
Eliza Madrigal: thank you
Korel Laloix: You are welcome.
Korel Laloix: I still can't find words for some parts of the expereince, but this has helped.. smiles
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: well it is clear that a personal experience wiped out many of your opinions
Eliza Madrigal: things I guess you hadn't questioned
Eliza Madrigal: and in the direction of being less 'strong' in some ways perhaps :)
Korel Laloix: There was a warm up to it though.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Storm :)
Storm Nordwind: Hi.
stevenaia Michinaga: hi storm
Riddle Sideways: hi storm
Korel Laloix: I had started questioning the hostility to religio that my mom had engranded in me... and what my philosophy professor were saying.
Korel Laloix: So there was a bit of exploration.
Storm Nordwind: Are my times screwed up, or are things no longer in the village hall?
Eliza Madrigal: We'll resume guardian sessions next week Storm :)
Riddle Sideways: not htis week
Storm Nordwind: Ah
Riddle Sideways: *this
stevenaia Michinaga: I think they re-start next week
Korel Laloix: NO idea.
Korel Laloix: What is a guardian session?
Riddle Sideways: nope
Storm Nordwind: I go so rarely unfortunately that I never knew they'd stopped!
Riddle Sideways: :)
Eliza Madrigal: planning meetings mostly for hosts of sessions
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes brainstorming, theme sessions, etc
Storm Nordwind: Sorry to interrupt - please ignore that intrusion
Eliza Madrigal: not at all Storm, we've been talking about questioning the conditioning we were born into
Korel Laloix: You are welcome to join of course STorm.
Eliza Madrigal: finding balances
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes falling in love with the traditions again after a while, but maybe in a more open way
Eliza Madrigal: (that last part is me elaborating though)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Storm Nordwind smiles - thank you!
Korel Laloix: A good way to outline I think.
stevenaia Michinaga: we sent our son to religious school for 8 years, he has no interest in religion now
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like balance in progress
Korel Laloix: I can understand that...
Storm Nordwind: sounds like it was a good move then!
Korel Laloix: I was 20 when I first steped foot in a religous buidling.
Eliza Madrigal: wow
Storm Nordwind: By religious, do you mean if was focused on one religion, or that it considered all spiritualities in equal proportion?
Riddle Sideways: was maybe 17
Storm Nordwind: *it
Korel Laloix: It was an MCC Church in Florida.
Eliza Madrigal: goodness... i was raised in churches
Korel Laloix: http://mccchurch.org/
Eliza Madrigal: but had a very diverse school and friends group (meaning Jewish/Christian)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: I was raised hostile to the idea.
Eliza Madrigal: funny how I felt that was diverse :)
Eliza Madrigal: It can be easier in our societies these days, to have antagonism against religion or the idea of 'god', than to allow for people to have personal experiences
Korel Laloix: That was quite an unexpected event for me.
Eliza Madrigal: why did yo go?
Korel Laloix: Good question.
Korel Laloix: I was searcing for sure.
Korel Laloix: I met a guy on the beach that was just siting in the sand reading his Bible.
Korel Laloix: So I started asking him questions.
Eliza Madrigal: ah :)
Korel Laloix: And he recomended I try going to a church.
Korel Laloix: And of course I said I can't becuase I am lez..... he laughed.
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Korel Laloix: And pointed me to the MCC.......
Korel Laloix: And about 70 percent of our vicars are lez.....
Korel Laloix: ANother surpize...lol.. was funny in so many ways.
Eliza Madrigal: interesting... so not a rigid environment
--BELL--
Korel Laloix: Let's just say it is vastly idfferent than the Southern Baptist Church I take grandma to most wekends....
stevenaia Michinaga: (what is MCC?)
Korel Laloix: http://mccchurch.org/
Korel Laloix: My church denomination.
stevenaia Michinaga: thx
Korel Laloix: My pleasure.
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Korel.... in the time I was growing up, I watched churches go from a feeling of 'remember that god loves you' to a 'remember that god doesn't like anyone else'
Korel Laloix: There are those out there for sure.
Eliza Madrigal: very confusing to grow up in
Eliza Madrigal waves to Observerm :)
Korel Laloix: I can imagine.
Eliza Madrigal: me hopes she isn't being too nosy and pushy today but it is interesting
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Korel Laloix: My fist Christian gf was Orthodox, and she had a surprizing little issues with her church... I can't figure out the line still.
Eliza Madrigal: there is a mysticism which seems to transcend dogma
Eliza Madrigal: an open view
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Korel Laloix: To me, it is mostly about the relationship..... But I do have to say that the mysticism part does interst me.
Storm Nordwind: What would you define as mysticism?
Korel Laloix: Very good question.
Eliza Madrigal: I think that sense of relationship is the mysticism... the love affair
Eliza Madrigal remembers Geo sharing about 'the beloved'
Korel Laloix: TO me that is not mystic though.... but perhapse I am not using the word right.
Storm Nordwind: So mysticism presupposes an emotional relationship?
Korel Laloix: My theologic vocabular is as bad or worse than my political.
Eliza Madrigal: good questions leading to more good questions
Eliza Madrigal: a mystic isn't hung up on external rules, I don't think ... but finds beauty inside-out...
Korel Laloix: The mystical parts are like the spiritual force behind rituals......
Eliza Madrigal: connects and dwells and dances
Korel Laloix: I am not sure I can get closer to my thoughts than that.
Eliza Madrigal: nice, Korel
Storm Nordwind: I suspect I regard mysticism as being direct personal experience rather than logical concepts
Korel Laloix: What was that?
Korel Laloix: I am not sure of what the words means to everyone.
Eliza Madrigal nods Storm
Eliza Madrigal: yes some sense of alignment that illuminates everything else
Eliza Madrigal: tuning, maybe
Korel Laloix: I think the sense of teh mystical was one of the reasons I liked going to the Orhodox services.
Eliza Madrigal: that the same service has taken place over thousands of years?
Korel Laloix: COuld be.
Eliza Madrigal: timeless quality?
Korel Laloix: The same way there were done well before the Roman Catholic hurch excisted.
Eliza Madrigal: I've been in beautiful latin midnight masses too
Korel Laloix: But I also still have an attchement to some First American traditions that coudl be considered mystical.
Korel Laloix: When I dance I feel that connection in ways.
Eliza Madrigal: ah!
Eliza Madrigal: Last night we were talking about sufis... devotional dancing, palm to earth and palm to sky
Korel Laloix: I think the Whirling Dervishes are sufis.
Korel Laloix: I have one sufi lez freind.... now she has some interesting views and stories.
Eliza Madrigal: about her faith?
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Korel Laloix: That, east-west thoughts and being a muslim lesbian.
Eliza Madrigal: so amazing... people have so much to reconcile, this personal/societal... absolute/relative :)
Korel Laloix: One of the reasons I love SL.... get to hear all sorts of thoughts.
Eliza Madrigal nods!
Korel Laloix: OK.... got to get back to that RL thing.
Korel Laloix: Thansk for the chat all.
Eliza Madrigal: hah... OK, thank you Korel
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you
Korel Laloix: Have a great Sunday....
Eliza Madrigal: you too
Korel Laloix: Ciao all
Eliza Madrigal: interesting talk... one thing in SL it is hard to 'impart' an experience, a taste... like in a RL ritual
Eliza Madrigal: not impossible, as seen in theater, though
Eliza Madrigal: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: time for lunch, bye ny friends
stevenaia Michinaga: *my
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Stevie, enjoy lunch :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle still here?
Eliza Madrigal: Storm did you read the email re guardian sessions? the idea is to have a series of meetings that will be semi-posted
Eliza Madrigal: only to guardians, so that people can be as off the cuff as they like about 'what are we guarding'
Storm Nordwind: Apparently I didn't read it (as it's usually too early for me)
Eliza Madrigal: no one responded to the email so I guess it seems a good idea
Storm Nordwind: I suspect the views of habitual attendees are more important than mine as a sporadic drop-in :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) No... concerns everyone
Eliza Madrigal: much to learn from our expert hosts
Riddle Sideways: back
Eliza Madrigal: how and when to steer, or when not to react, etc
Eliza Madrigal: WB Riddle :)
Storm Nordwind: :) If something of import comes up, how would it be relayed to others if it were not recorded? An 'executive summary' sometimes works, but sometimes not if context and nuance of language is missed.
Eliza Madrigal: yes, so the thinking is to post in a way that only guardians could access
Eliza Madrigal: just for this series of discussions...
Eliza Madrigal: like 4 sessions
Storm Nordwind: That seems sensible
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes a guardian can feel unsure of their boundaries
Eliza Madrigal: have gotten some emails lately
Eliza Madrigal: anyway, thanks for feedback
Storm Nordwind: I'm not convinced people will feel more at ease with such closed sessions
Storm Nordwind: I sometimes think it can be people's reaction to the individual personalities present.
Storm Nordwind: Whether or not they are guardians
Riddle Sideways: weekly goc meetings go off into fun and chitchat lots of hi/byes and a few nuggets of guardian q&a
Eliza Madrigal: hm, nor am I but maybe worth a shot?
Storm Nordwind: Always worth a shot! :)
Storm Nordwind: And I am very grateful for your energies in that direction :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) thank you
Eliza Madrigal: Riddle, yes.... that can be fun too....
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Eliza Madrigal: sometimes come away with very shiny nuggets that aren't easily forgotten
Eliza Madrigal: I better go.... lingering today... wheels turning
Storm Nordwind: Oh dear. Turn well!
Eliza Madrigal: haha
Riddle Sideways: yep, need to go
Riddle Sideways: thanks and bbye
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you both as always
Storm Nordwind: You too!
Eliza Madrigal: Namaste'