2011.08.28 13:00 - Be Kind to Your Schleppy Self

The guardians for this meeting were Aphrodite and Bruce. Aphrodite made her polite departure at 13:20, and so Bruce claimed the session at that time  But Bruce left at 14:00.  Editing, comments, and posting are by Bruce.

 

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce

FcSeeker: Hello Bruce

Aphrodite Macbain: we match bruce! 

(Aph and Bruce are both wearing Peace Dove t-shirts.)

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Dash

FcSeeker: Hello Dash

Dash Earthboy: hey y'all

Bruce Mowbray: Yes, we do match! I saw you wearing your this morning, so I put mine on too.

Aphrodite Macbain: Festival over?

Aphrodite Macbain: yayy

Dash Earthboy: yes :)

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Dash and Fc and Corvi (and Aph).

Dash Earthboy: hey Cor

Aphrodite Macbain: we were going to talk about the Peace demonstration on Set 21 so I thought I'd be the backdrop

Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hey ya'll

Bruce Mowbray: excellent!

Aphrodite Macbain: Sept 21

Aphrodite Macbain: Corn fest over Dash?

Bruce Mowbray: btw, if anyone else wishes to have a Peace Dove t-shirt, just let me know (or let Aph know)

Bruce Mowbray listens to Dash.

Dash Earthboy: yes Aph :)

Aphrodite Macbain: you can relax today! and maybe sleep in!

Dash Earthboy: the hot air balloons were breathtaking

Dash Earthboy: i did sleep in, ty :)

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Susan!

Aphrodite Macbain: No noise this morning and last night I hope

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Susan.

Dash Earthboy: hey Susan

Dash Earthboy: noise last night but not this morning

FcSeeker: hi Susan

PaB Listener Master: whispers: The session has not yet been claimed by a Guardian.

iwandertoo: waves

Aphrodite Macbain: Wonder who the Guardian is today

Bruce Mowbray: Bruce Mowbray will look. . .

Bruce Mowbray: Maxine.

Aphrodite Macbain: I can claim it but I wont be here for the full hour...

Aphrodite Macbain: must leave in 20 minutes

PaB Listener Master: Aphrodite Macbain has just claimed the session and will receive link to the log after the session is done. This replaces any previous claim.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: thank you Aph.

Aphrodite Macbain: yw!

Dash Earthboy: you'll find a good read waiting for you afterwards Aph :)

Aphrodite Macbain: :-) provided that a guardian can stay here till 2

Dash Earthboy: we'll keep a good thought for that :)

Aphrodite Macbain: :-) Dash

Corvuscorva Nightfire: what shall we discuss today?

Aphrodite Macbain: Survival in hurricanes?

Aphrodite Macbain: Survival in fiscal catastrophes?

Dash Earthboy: an educational session?

Aphrodite Macbain: being present

Aphrodite Macbain: a poetry session?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: survival

Corvuscorva Nightfire: hmmm

Bruce Mowbray: what survives?

Corvuscorva Nightfire: that could be juicy

Corvuscorva Nightfire: nods.

Dash Earthboy: tips, tricks, & tao :)

Aphrodite Macbain: yes bruce what survives when our bodies go?

Aphrodite Macbain: Aphrodite Macbain grins at Dash.

Aphrodite Macbain: gotr a few tips Dash?

 

BELL

 

Dash Earthboy: just listening for now :)

FcSeeker: Hello O

Play as Being 15 minute bell: Thank you.

Dash Earthboy: hey Sam

Dash Earthboy: hey San

Corvuscorva Nightfire waves

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, 0. Hey steve.

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi susan, san and sam!

Dash Earthboy: hey Stev

FcSeeker: Hello steve

Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Stevenaia

Dash Earthboy: hey Eos

stevenaia Michinaga: waves

FcSeeker: hi Eos

Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Eos - has the hurricane hit?

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Santo.

Santoshima: hey, and hey everyone!

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eos.

oO0Oo: Hi Fc, Aph, Susan, Corvi, Stevenaia, Bruce, Dash, Santo, and Eos! Nice to see everyone. :)

stevenaia Michinaga: storm has passed, jsut the wind remains

Santoshima: nice to see you, Sam

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Corvi , Steve, SAnto, Aph, Fc, Bruce, Dash, Sam

Dash Earthboy: see what I meant, Aph?

Eos Amaterasu: Irene's windy skirts starting to be felt

Aphrodite Macbain: whispers: Sam is chatting with Susan over the water fountain, DAsh??

Aphrodite Macbain: oops not now

Santoshima: ?

oO0Oo: ?

Santoshima: ??

Aphrodite Macbain: ??

Eos Amaterasu: ¿

oO0Oo: lol

Santoshima: snort?

Aphrodite Macbain: ok snort

stevenaia Michinaga: susan, would you like me to move me closer?

iwandertoo: no ty

Aphrodite Macbain: ??

oO0Oo: always good to ask

iwandertoo: no ty

stevenaia Michinaga: smiles

Aphrodite Macbain: how could someone else move an avi?

FcSeeker: (I can be moved <3)

Aphrodite Macbain: :-)

oO0Oo: aw

oO0Oo: <3

stevenaia Michinaga: you kinds cuddle up to them in a directed yet gentle way and push in the direction you want them to go

stevenaia Michinaga: ..smiles

Aphrodite Macbain: The theme of this afternoon appears to be: SURVIVAL

Eos Amaterasu: beguile

Corvuscorva Nightfire: smiles

Dash Earthboy: winks at Fc

Bruce Mowbray: A first-time visitor to this morning's session mentioned Soto Zen and Dogen, so I have spent most of the past six hours reading about "no-thinking," "without-thinking," and the pre-reflective enlightenment of all sentient beings - - - OR we could talk about SURVIVAL (but, survival of what?)

Aphrodite Macbain: BUT THAT COULD BE CHANGED

Dash Earthboy: hey Wol

Bruce Mowbray: Hey Wol!

Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late

Eos Amaterasu: we oft digress

Corvuscorva Nightfire waves, smiling

Dash Earthboy: we're working on the circle

Eos Amaterasu: eh wol

Aphrodite Macbain: This might be a challenge bruce...

FcSeeker: Hello Wol

oO0Oo strains to hear Aph

stevenaia Michinaga: waves to WOL

Bruce Mowbray ALWAYS digresses (@ Eos).

Wol Euler waits for rezzings

stevenaia Michinaga: CAN Summarize, Bruce?

Aphrodite Macbain: Aphrodite Macbain straps on a megaphone

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Santoshima: hi Wol (in transit)

Bruce Mowbray wonders if he might someday digress from his digressing.

Aphrodite Macbain: WE WERE THINKING ABOUT DISCUSSING THE CONCEPT OF SURVIVAL

Aphrodite Macbain: however,

Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce has some excellent ideas as well

Bruce Mowbray: yep, the concept of SURVIVAL (of hurricanes and earthquakes, for example).

Corvuscorva Nightfire: digression?

oO0Oo: Hi Wol

Wol Euler: hello sam, dash, bruce, fc, aph, santo, steve, corvi, eos

Bruce Mowbray: ;-) (Hi, Wol!)

oO0Oo: It's like skipping flat rocks across a pond

oO0Oo: ;)

Aphrodite Macbain: Although I have claimed this session b/c Maxine couldn't make it, I will have to leave now, in the hope that one of you guardians will continue to hang out in this nice spot

Corvuscorva Nightfire giggles

 

PaB Listener Master: Bruce Mowbray has just claimed the session and will receive link to the log after the session is done. This replaces any previous claim.

 

Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce.

Bruce Mowbray: You're welcome. Bye, Aph! and thank you.

Aphrodite Macbain: I'm off to Beaver lake

Dash Earthboy: bye Aph

Wol Euler: bye aph, take care

oO0Oo: Bye Aph

stevenaia Michinaga: bye Aph

Santoshima: bye Aph, take care

 

BELL

 

Dash Earthboy: *thinks about the fun some truckers would have with "Beaver Lake"

Wol Euler: Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

Wol Euler: good fishing there?

Bruce Mowbray: Bruce Mowbray remembers teaching Hamlet to high schoolers: "The king's ghost wore his beaver down."

Dash Earthboy: *used to use a CB alot

Santoshima: it's the canadian mascot!!

oO0Oo: I had a Platypus outfit for a short time

Corvuscorva Nightfire laughs

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.

FcSeeker: hi Zon

Dash Earthboy: hey Zon

Santoshima: greetings zen

Zon Kwan: hi hi

oO0Oo: Hi Zon

Santoshima: hello zon

Wol Euler: hello zon

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zon.

oO0Oo: What survives?

oO0Oo: [13:24] Bruce: A first-time visitor to this morning's session mentioned Soto Zen and Dogen, so I have spent most of the past six hours reading about "no-thinking," "without-thinking," and the pre-reflective enlightenment of all sentient beings - - -

Eos Amaterasu: maybe too much food for thought

Zon Kwan: so you have been thinking of no-thinking ?

Wol Euler smiles.

Bruce Mowbray: It seems to me that "survival" may only become an issue when one has digressed from direct experience --

Bruce Mowbray: I have been thinking about 'not-thinking,' yes -- but also about 'without-thinking'

Bruce Mowbray: reading about Dogen and Soto Zen all day today.

oO0Oo: a good precursor to no speech

FcSeeker: I had a short conversation a while ago with the person concerning a bit that also...

Bruce Mowbray listens.

FcSeeker: as she spoke about will to be better person and thought that some practice would do that...

FcSeeker: but I didn't say something that I now regret that I didn't say even I was to

FcSeeker: ...was to say that she's perfect without such practicings...said only how my belief is that one can truly learn only living...

FcSeeker: experiencing

Corvuscorva Nightfire nods

Eos Amaterasu: could we frame that in some was as a way for the upcoming 90 seconds lab period?

Bruce Mowbray: Dogen would agree, I feel.

Eos Amaterasu: some way

FcSeeker: she's not present atm so I don't like to tell her name but wish that she'll read ..

Dash Earthboy: hey Eliza

Wol Euler: hello eliza

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Eliza.

FcSeeker: btw there was time when I made truly many calls for the same reason

Eliza Madrigal waves hello and listens in...

Zon Kwan: hi eliza doolittle

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Dash Earthboy: calls, Fc?

FcSeeker: that's because I realized that what had bothered me almost each time when somebody spoke about 'going foreword' on the spiritual path

Bruce Mowbray: How about something like, "Be present with your direct experience during the 90-sec drop. No need to 'reflect' or to look backward."

FcSeeker: that they had thought that they must go foreword the way that they get new skills and such

oO0Oo: perfectly living

FcSeeker: that they could be able to manipulate other people's chakras and so

Wol Euler: seeing life as a game, perhaps, have to get to the next level and learn a new skill

Zon Kwan: isn't life that

Zon Kwan: isn't that what happens

FcSeeker: so, when I realized that , I asked them to notice that it's not to go foreword, that to learn and grow is to go foreward...

Eos Amaterasu: okay, so how about "drop all skills, and be directly with what is" in the upcoming 90 secs

FcSeeker: well; imo that does not make any difference to what person is

FcSeeker: and...well...they all relaxed a lot when I asked them to notice that they are perfect as they are...each one anyway has some special skill...

Wol Euler: good, eos

Corvuscorva Nightfire: ooo...nice Eos

Bruce Mowbray: Let's watch ourselves during the drop and observe what happens -- Do we move toward goals? or reflect on the past? or simply have direct experience...?

 

BELL

 

Eos Amaterasu: check ins?

Wol Euler: that was never 90 seconds :)

Wol Euler laughs

Eliza Madrigal grins

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Corvuscorva Nightfire: hehee

Eos Amaterasu: it's hard to just let things happen....

Eos Amaterasu: I always find myself adding stuff....

Corvuscorva Nightfire: you can't

Eos Amaterasu: but then that's more stuff happening

Wol Euler nods.

Eos Amaterasu: (feeling merciful : let it be)

Zon Kwan: doing is not the problem

Bruce Mowbray: First, willingness. . . . Then, the skills needed to do whatever it is we wish to do. . . ., Then, the capacity to do it.

Eos Amaterasu: Be kind to your schleppy constantly failing self

oO0Oo: Hi Eliza

Eliza Madrigal: :) I arrived just in time I think 'be kind to your schleppy constantly failing self' :))

Wol Euler: a motto to live by

Santoshima: how's it going?

Bruce Mowbray: The kindness I bring to my constantly schleppy failing self is one place that perhaps my self DIDN'T fail.

Santoshima: learning to be kind to one's mind takes time

Eos Amaterasu: yes, we are so hard on ourselves

Wol Euler: much harder than on others, often

FcSeeker: and why are you ?

Eos Amaterasu: good question

Santoshima: conditioning

Santoshima: for start

Zon Kwan: cause we think we are missing something

Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal nods

Eos Amaterasu: not enough enoughness :-)

Corvuscorva Nightfire: haha

Zon Kwan: something is missing and its my fault

Corvuscorva Nightfire: oof

FcSeeker: why is it your fault ?

oO0Oo: sometimes who we think we are is a layer, perhaps one of several, and the layer is being hard on that self image...

Bruce Mowbray: Competitive enoughness - - - survival of the enoughest?

Zon Kwan: that's the idea behind separate ego. grasping

Bruce Mowbray: but, 0, isn't that a false self image?

oO0Oo: let's find out...

Eos Amaterasu: we play mirror games with ourselves

Bruce Mowbray: idealized self-image that we could never live up to?

Eos Amaterasu: "let's find out": best approach!

Wol Euler: aren't all self images falsifying (not necessarily false) because they restrict us to a facet or two?

Zon Kwan: yes

Bruce Mowbray: yes, Wol -- self-limiting . . . ALL images, in fact.

Corvuscorva Nightfire: there are ways to think about change that don't have to do with self recrimination

Wol Euler: Wol Euler nods.

oO0Oo: oO0Oo listens

Corvuscorva Nightfire thinks

Corvuscorva Nightfire: I am a fantastic self recriminator

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bruce Mowbray: Bruce Mowbray ponders impermanence and emptiness of "self-images"

Corvuscorva Nightfire: but occasionally I think about the whole thing like "stretching"

Corvuscorva Nightfire: not doing stuff because I need to get better

Santoshima: http://briarpatchmagazine.com/articles/view/no-priests-no-temples

Corvuscorva Nightfire: but just making room to see what happens

Eliza Madrigal: no 'improvement'

Dash Earthboy: is content to not be part of the "we"

FcSeeker: to do is to experience , normally that brings learning

Zon Kwan: improvement is change and life is change

Corvuscorva Nightfire: but how do you measure "better?"

Zon Kwan: its inbuilt in life

Wol Euler: trusting your instincts, perhaps

Wol Euler: trusting your experience of more-pain or less-pain, perhaps

Eliza Madrigal: (ty for link Santo)

iwandertoo: measure better perhaps by increased happiness

Bruce Mowbray: trusting your pre-reflective awareness, perhaps.

Eliza Madrigal: improvement doesn't 'stay' either

Santoshima: yw ... maybe better read later ...

Wol Euler excuses herself and slips away to Bertram's meditation session. Goodnight all! take care

Eliza Madrigal: Eliza Madrigal waves bye Wol, night

FcSeeker: waves

Bruce Mowbray: I'll also slip away to Bert's meditation. . . If anyone else wishes to claim this session, please do so.

Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now.