2011.08.31 19:00 - "long live death"

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

I was joined tonight by Huntress Selenium for a few minutes, Gilles Kuhn, Zaldaan and iwandertoo Resident joined us.

stevenaia Michinaga: 8-31-11
stevenaia Michinaga: 19:00
stevenaia Michinaga: hello latifa
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Zaldaan
stevenaia Michinaga: are you here by phone tonight?
stevenaia Michinaga: waves to Zaldaan, seems to only appear to be here
stevenaia Michinaga: welcome

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stevenaia Michinaga: feel free to sit it out here as well, I have laundry washing so I may have to enter the RL at some point, Hi Huntress
Huntress Selenium: Hi Steve.
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you
Huntress Selenium: Well, I should actually be cooking, so I too will enter FL prematurely.
stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, whats for dinner?
Huntress Selenium: But I thought I'd come by to see how you all were doing.
Huntress Selenium: Steak, potatos; maybe some vvegetables.
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, thanks, always appreciate the company
stevenaia Michinaga: I was here earlier today when my assoiate was distracted from out meeting by a phone call
stevenaia Michinaga: so saw me for the first time as a female avatar, actually only my dress as I seem to be having rezz issues from my higher speed office intenet connect
Huntress Selenium: She normally sees you as a male avatar?
stevenaia Michinaga: after enlightening me about Jungs theory of Anima and animus, she asked if I actually got anything about being in SL
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_and_animus
Huntress Selenium: I gave a discussion on that
stevenaia Michinaga: I said yes, I jsut was exposed to Anima_and_animus for the first time now... simply because I was in SL :)
Huntress Selenium: yes, it exposes you to that.
stevenaia Michinaga: it was a new concept for me, feel free to enlighten us
stevenaia Michinaga: ofcourse, before dinner burns
Huntress Selenium: Oh, and by the way, someone at Philosophy House in group chat informed me that the only people who invitge me to come to their dscussins are males with blinders on. Bet you didn't know you were a male with blinders on.
Huntress Selenium: Hi Gilles!
stevenaia Michinaga: eyes always open , with an eye towards detail Huntress
stevenaia Michinaga: Hello Gilles
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s been a while since I've seen you
Huntress Selenium: Well, I hate to tp and run, but I do have dinner to cook.
stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy
stevenaia Michinaga: look forward to the toic in the future
stevenaia Michinaga: topic
Huntress Selenium: yeah, anima and animus; we can explore our feminine and masculine sides
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Huntress
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Giles
stevenaia Michinaga: you going to vanish too, Zaldaan
stevenaia Michinaga: is this that Viewer thing you mentioned the other day
stevenaia Michinaga: constantly crashing?
stevenaia Michinaga: Gilles, you here now? it was quite a transformation from shadowy alien to a big wolf
Gilles Kuhn: secrets of sl.....
stevenaia Michinaga: can you sit?
stevenaia Michinaga: (w/o shredding the pillow)

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Gilles Kuhn: you have inverted vertigo?
Gilles Kuhn: ah still this pavlovian experiment .....
stevenaia Michinaga: could last a very long time, yes don't breathe in the smoking fountain after the bell rings
stevenaia Michinaga: what brings you here, you keep being "Away"
Gilles Kuhn: you are quite new here i think if you dont recognise me ;-)
Gilles Kuhn: and dont take in account sl bugs
stevenaia Michinaga: I recognize you from ages ago at the Kira Cafe
stevenaia Michinaga: I may have changed a bit
stevenaia Michinaga: since then
Gilles Kuhn: you see
stevenaia Michinaga: I have been hee since the first days of this place
stevenaia Michinaga: which makes me....old
Gilles Kuhn: well apart of that detail and other technical curses what the discussionj about right now as i arrived i presume late?
stevenaia Michinaga: actually Zaaldaan is distracted in RL and Huntress just dropped in to say hello before dinner, the only "topic " I mentioned was anima and animus as I first heard it today
stevenaia Michinaga: Huntress, it she had time would tell me more about it, but she had to leave
stevenaia Michinaga: all that in 40 minutes
stevenaia Michinaga: then you arrived, the floor is yours
stevenaia Michinaga: nice profile quote, seems the spanish translator works reasonably well
stevenaia Michinaga: hello susan
iwandertoo Resident: waves
stevenaia Michinaga: nice of you to drop in, you on your phone tonight?

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iwandertoo Resident: yes
Gilles Kuhn: stevenaia you were refereing to my Unamuno quote on my profile page?
stevenaia Michinaga: yes
stevenaia Michinaga: I assume he was immediately put to death?
stevenaia Michinaga: ... for the reading audience:
stevenaia Michinaga: “You will win because you have exceeded brute force. But you will not convince. In order to convince it is necessary to persuade. And to persuade you will need something that you need: reason and right in the fight.
stevenaia Michinaga: if that is a reasonable facimile of the spanish
Gilles Kuhn: no actually the wife of franco took his arm and took him outside the building he died however shrtly afterward for natural cause but probably due to the shock he experimented to see wwhat happened to spain
iwandertoo Resident: what is being won?
Gilles Kuhn: more or less yes only you will need something that you LACK : reason and rightfullness in the fight"
stevenaia Michinaga: oh, sorry Sussan... Miguel de Unamuno in his last speech in front of fascists.
iwandertoo Resident: unknown to me
stevenaia Michinaga: most people aren't open the statement that they may be very wrong
iwandertoo Resident: listens
stevenaia Michinaga: lacking rightfullness
Gilles Kuhn: and reason he reacted to millan astray revulsing scream "long live death" " viva la muerte"
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like the Dadaist as much as a political statement, life imitating art
Gilles Kuhn: it was not it was a pure political and pro intellectual statement i am looking right now to a full translation in english please hang on
Gilles Kuhn: sorry that will be a bit long quote
Gilles Kuhn:

On 12 October 1936 the celebration of Columbus Day had brought together a politically diverse crowd at the University of Salamanca, including Enrique Pla y Deniel, the Archbishop of Salamanca, and Carmen Polo Martínez-Valdés, the wife of Franco, Falangist General José Millán Astray and Unamuno himself. According to the British historian Hugh Thomas in his magnum opus The Spanish Civil War (1961), the evening began with an impassioned speech by the Falangist writer José María Pemán. After this, Professor Francisco Maldonado decried Catalonia and the Basque Country as "cancers on the body of the nation," adding that "Fascism, the healer of Spain, will know how to exterminate them, cutting into the live flesh, like a determined surgeon free from false sentimentalism." From somewhere in the auditorium, someone cried out the motto "¡Viva la Muerte!" As was his habit, Millán-Astray responded with "¡España!"; the crowd replied with "¡Una!" He repeated "¡España!"; the crowd then replied "¡Grande!" A third time, Millán-Astray shouted "¡España!"; the crowd responded "Libre!" This was a common Falangist cheer. Later, a group of uniformed Falangists entered, saluting the portrait of Franco that hung on the wall. Unamuno, who was presiding over the meeting, rose up slowly and addressed the crowd: "You are waiting for my words. You know me well, and know I cannot remain silent for long. Sometimes, to remain silent is to lie, since silence can be interpreted as assent. I want to comment on the so-called speech of Professor Maldonado, who is with us here. I will ignore the personal offence to the Basques and Catalonians. I myself, as you know, was born in Bilbao. The Bishop," Unamuno gestured to the Archbishop of Salamanca, "whether you like it or not, is Catalan, born in Barcelona. But now I have heard this insensible and necrophilous oath, "¡Viva la Muerte!", and I, having spent my life writing paradoxes that have provoked the ire of those who do not understand what I have written,and being an expert in this matter, find this ridiculous paradox repellent. General Millán-Astray is an invalid. There is no need for us to say this with whispered tones. He is an invalid of war. So was Cervantes. But unfortunately, Spain today has too many invalids. And, if God does not help us, soon it will have very many more. It torments me to think that General Millán-Astray could dictate the norms of the psychology of the masses. An invalid, who lacks the spiritual greatness of Cervantes, hopes to find relief by adding to the number of invalids around him." Millán-Astray responded: "¡Muera la inteligencia! ¡Viva la Muerte!" ("Death to intelligence! Long live death!"), provoking applause from the Falangists. Pemán, in an effort to calm the crowd, exclaimed "¡No! ¡Viva la inteligencia! ¡Mueran los malos intelectuales!" ("No! Long live intelligence! Death to the bad intellectuals!") Unamuno continued: "This is the temple of intelligence, and I am its high priest. You are profaning its sacre

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stevenaia Michinaga: Thanks you..... II must take a few minutes break in RL, I will return in a few minutes
stevenaia Michinaga: back
iwandertoo Resident: wb
iwandertoo Resident: wb
stevenaia Michinaga: thanks for the context Gilles
stevenaia Michinaga: glad you had access to it
iwandertoo Resident: bbl
stevenaia Michinaga: bye susan

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stevenaia Michinaga: night Gilles, nice to see you again, bye Zaldaan