2011.08.29 19:00 - Does Enjoyment mean Attachment.

 

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Dash :)

Dash Earthboy: hey Soph :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: how are things going

Dash Earthboy: ouch

Dash Earthboy: the company that was supposed to start me last Wednesday

Dash Earthboy: i just got an email that they're renegging on starting me in two days too

SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry to hear that Dash.

Dash Earthboy: now it's the Wed after Labor Day

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Susan

Dash Earthboy: hey Susan

Dash Earthboy: yah it hurts

iwandertoo Resident: hey

Dash Earthboy: come join us :)

Dash Earthboy: you need a froggy push?

Dash Earthboy: :)

iwandertoo Resident: no thanks

iwandertoo Resident: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: this pavilion takes a long time to rez for me

Dash Earthboy: Soph, Wol was maneuvering Susan last session using the Froggy gun

SophiaSharon Larnia: oh ok, I didnt know what a froggy push was

Dash Earthboy: Susan was here on her phone :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: that would do it :)

Dash Earthboy: now she's here on that new-fangled Firestorm thing :)

Dash Earthboy: i think i'm still more partial to Phoenix than Firestorm

SophiaSharon Larnia: I havent tried it yet

Dash Earthboy: Firestorm apparently doesn't have a 64-bit Linux distro yet

SophiaSharon Larnia feels the rush of air over her head

Dash Earthboy: :)

Dash Earthboy: i'll try to hold your hand next time Soph :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, it may blow me away

Dash Earthboy: looks like I'll be moving Wednesday

SophiaSharon Larnia: I hope you found fair weather over the weekend

Dash Earthboy: still trying to decide if just to a cheaper local motel or somewhere down the road like Boulder

Dash Earthboy: it was brutally hot over the weekend

Dash Earthboy: my sunscreen bottle bubbled over in the car

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Archmage

Dash Earthboy: and a couple guitar picks in a cup holder melted

Dash Earthboy: hey Arch

SophiaSharon Larnia: thats hot

iwandertoo Resident: waves

Dash Earthboy: enjoys the symmetry here now

Archmage Atlantis: 4 square tonite........hello Dash, Susan, SSL

SophiaSharon Larnia: I didnt bring a topic for pab, but have been flush with gratitude all day

Archmage Atlantis: A very 12 step topic :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: ha

SophiaSharon Larnia: I wasn't able to get into my home for a couple of days because of flooding

Dash Earthboy: dang

SophiaSharon Larnia: and decided I was lucky no matter what happen to it

Archmage Atlantis: Oh, ok, "real" gratitude :)

iwandertoo Resident: :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: snorts

iwandertoo Resident: lemonade

Dash Earthboy: yah

SophiaSharon Larnia: yea

Archmage Atlantis: *chortle*

SophiaSharon Larnia: it seemed like a test, how attached are you to 'stuff', really

SophiaSharon Larnia: pretty attached, it turns out :)

Dash Earthboy: :(

Dash Earthboy: sry

Dash Earthboy: but i know the feeling

SophiaSharon Larnia: i learned a lesson in it anyway

Dash Earthboy: so much i've left behind in GA

SophiaSharon Larnia: i've gotten rid of much that I owned in the last year and a half

Archmage Atlantis: I don't mind being attached.....the issue isn't the attachment, it's handling the loss of things I'm attached too..... all things, animals, relationships end in some way at some time

SophiaSharon Larnia: i tend to agree

 

--BELL--

 

iwandertoo Resident: i've gone through something similar - letting go of many things ... amazing how much is accumulated over the years

Archmage Atlantis: Good timing on my play list......Amazing Grace

SophiaSharon Larnia: how does attachment affect enjoyment of things

Dash Earthboy: yah Arch, I'd rather give it away to someone who needs it, rather than be robbed of it

SophiaSharon Larnia: Susan, yes :)

iwandertoo Resident: donated so much...it seemed endless...still have two more bags after these past months. but i think i have it down to two small boxes of...finally

iwandertoo Resident: (sorry...didnt realize the bell...)

SophiaSharon Larnia: :) wow Susan

Dash Earthboy: good threshing there Susan

iwandertoo Resident: yes...lovely things for others

SophiaSharon Larnia: ive donated what was good as well

Archmage Atlantis: That is a very on point question/observation SSL "how does attachment affect enjoyment of things"

iwandertoo Resident: carry them in my mind

SophiaSharon Larnia: true

SophiaSharon Larnia: if I enjoy it, am I attached to it?

SophiaSharon Larnia: not necessarily?

Archmage Atlantis: For me, it can be positive or negative or both at once.

Dash Earthboy: yah Soph, you can enjoy a meal without being so attached you never want it to leave you :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: haha

Dash Earthboy: Fc :)

iwandertoo Resident: when i travelled i brought my favorite novel with me. i would write my observations, notes of cities all around...years of notes and thoughts. then - i left the book on the plane. i was devastated but eventually realized the memories were within - carried with me. so both positive and negative.

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi FcSeeker

Archmage Atlantis: Lunch and Lovers........are these attachments like or unlike....check box one for alike, box two for unlike

iwandertoo Resident: :)

Archmage Atlantis: Fc!!

FcSeeker Resident: hi all

SophiaSharon Larnia: what a hard way to learn that though

iwandertoo Resident: waves

SophiaSharon Larnia: as least it would be for me

iwandertoo Resident: but i did learn

FcSeeker Resident: Dash SophiaSharon Susan Arch

SophiaSharon Larnia: hearts :))

Dash Earthboy: what do you think, Fc, is enjoying something (someone) the same as being attached to it (them)?

FcSeeker Resident: I dont think so

FcSeeker Resident: but sure it's also possible

FcSeeker Resident: meaning that one can love 'from distance' also

Dash Earthboy: btw, i think the topic centers around if attachment effects our enjoyment of something (someone)

Dash Earthboy: Soph?

SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking about love from a distance and enjoyment :)

FcSeeker Resident: one can be very happy (enjoy) of something or someone just to exist

iwandertoo Resident: nods

SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont think enjoyment means attachment necessarily, One can put it down for someone else to enjoy

Dash Earthboy: ....and everything looks worse in black and white....

FcSeeker Resident: but one can also 'completely lost one's mind' for something or someone

SophiaSharon Larnia: right

iwandertoo Resident: nods

Archmage Atlantis: Not Fc, Black and White work for pandas *smile*

SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles

Dash Earthboy: (line from Kodachrome, Fc, no offence ) :)

FcSeeker Resident: I agree Sophia; somebody wants to own a spouse/gf/bf or some items so that they even want to hide them from anybody else to see...

Dash Earthboy: i don't see our panda as "black and white"

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Stevenaia :)

Dash Earthboy: too much heart :)

iwandertoo Resident: waves

FcSeeker Resident: Hello stevenaia

Dash Earthboy: hey Stev

stevenaia Michinaga: evening

stevenaia Michinaga: good to see you off the hone, Susan

stevenaia Michinaga: Phone

iwandertoo Resident: :) (going to have to switch over shortly)

SophiaSharon Larnia: Stevenaia, talking about is enjoying something being attached to it

Dash Earthboy: *puts his froggy gun away

Archmage Atlantis: I saw Paul Simon's Graceland tour in Philadelphia......I listened to that DVD, then the VCR, over and over.....I was attached to it.......then one day, that was no longer immediate for me

FcSeeker Resident: giggles

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

iwandertoo Resident: what held you to it?

FcSeeker Resident: (to Dash's smoking gun)

Archmage Atlantis: Good question, SSL, I'm still not sure

stevenaia Michinaga: SSL, can you say this again "talking about is enjoying something being attached to it"

stevenaia Michinaga: differently

Archmage Atlantis: Perhaps that it was a new form of music at the time......what became "world music" in today'

Archmage Atlantis: s parlance

SophiaSharon Larnia: (I think that was Susans question Arch)

SophiaSharon Larnia: is enjoying something being 'attached' to it, am I phrasing that weirdly?

 

--BELL--

 

Dash Earthboy: Paul Simon's lyrics have great hooks

Dash Earthboy: good for attaching

Dash Earthboy: ...and here's to you Mrs. Robinson, Jesus loves you more than you will know...

SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking during the 90 secs, I enjoy this, and I can put it down. :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: not the same thing tho

Dash Earthboy: Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo. I do believe it. I do believe it's true...

iwandertoo Resident: (waves...have to go...best to everyone)

Dash Earthboy: bye Susan

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Susna :)

stevenaia Michinaga: bye susan

FcSeeker Resident: waves

Archmage Atlantis: Bye (too late) Susan......and yes, SSL, it was Susan's question......not used to 2 double S peeps in one meeting.....consonance dyslexia I suppose

SophiaSharon Larnia: haha

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi La Quinby :)

Quinby Hancroft: Hello!!

Archmage Atlantis: Greetings La Quinby :)

FcSeeker Resident: hi La Quinby

SophiaSharon Larnia: have you been here before?

Quinby Hancroft: Hello!!

SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Polyhistor

Dash Earthboy: hey Quinby

Quinby Hancroft: no

Polyhistor Serpente: Heeeeey!

Quinby Hancroft: i just saw ya'll sitting here

FcSeeker Resident: hi Polyhistor

Archmage Atlantis: Hello Polyhistor

Polyhistor Serpente: Heeeeey!

Quinby Hancroft: and wanted to sit with u

Dash Earthboy: hey PS

Polyhistor Serpente: photoshop?

SophiaSharon Larnia: this is a group called play as being, we talk about the nature of reality and other topics. We record our session and post them on a wiki: www.playasbeing.org

Polyhistor Serpente: what is the nature of reality?

Quinby Hancroft: oh interesting

Archmage Atlantis: A very, very long conversation, Polyhistor

SophiaSharon Larnia: I need to ask you if its ok to includeyour conversation here La Quinby and Polyhistor

Polyhistor Serpente: huh?

Quinby Hancroft: for their wiki

SophiaSharon Larnia: whoops the website is http://wiki.playasbeing.org/

Quinby Hancroft: yes you can use my chat that is fine

SophiaSharon Larnia: we record our session and post them to the wiki

SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks!!

Polyhistor Serpente: you may do whatever I don't care

Quinby Hancroft: and what topic are you discussing at the moment?

SophiaSharon Larnia: :) thanks

stevenaia Michinaga: hello Polyhisor and LaQuimby

SophiaSharon Larnia: we were talkng about does enjoyment mean you are attached to something

SophiaSharon Larnia: but feel free to talk about anything youd like

Quinby Hancroft: i enjoy masturbation and i believe that is because my putka is attached to my body

FcSeeker Resident: (might our love attached you to feel will to join us <3)

SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs

SophiaSharon Larnia: googles putka

Quinby Hancroft: i a m just going to observe

Quinby Hancroft: cause i am sure i am doing this wrong

Archmage Atlantis: Open a door, SSL, and you never know what topic will walk in *smile*

SophiaSharon Larnia: there isnt a right or wrong I dont think

SophiaSharon Larnia: we meet here 4 times a day, 1 am, 7 am, 1 pm, and 7 pm

Polyhistor Serpente: I enjoy that feeling when I have a insect bite on my skin, and I scratch it so hard!

Polyhistor Serpente: I also enjoy scalding hot water, and pealing my nails off

Polyhistor Serpente: but perhaps that is not a good topic?

Dash Earthboy: are you attached to scalding hot water then PS?

Polyhistor Serpente: only if I put jello in it first and sit in it for a long time

SophiaSharon Larnia: then it would melt

Polyhistor Serpente: not if it cools

Dash Earthboy: at what point is it no longer scalding?

 

--BELL--

 

Archmage Atlantis: One can be attached to an activity, to talking about an activity, or to the shock value of talking about an activity.......and of course there can be conversational lacunas :0

Dash Earthboy: yay, I learned a new word today: "lacuna"....still don't get "putka" tho :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm, i think all that 'work' was for nothing, am I attached to the idea that it must be for something.

SophiaSharon Larnia: both newbies *poof* :P

stevenaia Michinaga: bye noobs

SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I like that word too, it sounds like it would really mean something interesting, not empty space

SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe

Dash Earthboy: i looked back in the chat and i think the question early on was whether being attached effected our enjoyment :)

stevenaia Michinaga: I looked it up too

stevenaia Michinaga: isn't that the point of attachement, enjoyment?

stevenaia Michinaga: or at least the hope for it

Dash Earthboy: funny, how the ideal of contentment has turned into ideals of happiness and enjoyment in this culture

stevenaia Michinaga: must they be mutually exclusive?, but I understand the difference

Dash Earthboy: never said exclusive...just a comment on priorities in values

stevenaia Michinaga: nod

Archmage Atlantis: Priorities is a more accurate word than ideals, IMO

Dash Earthboy: so often, "be happy" is used these days to whip somebody who's down

Dash Earthboy: as if one chooses to be sad

Archmage Atlantis: Agree in much of that assessment Dash

SophiaSharon Larnia: sometimes one can chose to be sad

stevenaia Michinaga: rarely being told to "be" something changes anything

FcSeeker Resident: <3

Archmage Atlantis: My only refinement in the analysis would be in the motive of the speaker telling someone :to be" something

Archmage Atlantis: It is not always meant to harm/beat down......it may only be misunderstanding of the effect of the words

Archmage Atlantis: Someone who lacks Steve's insight into the effect

Dash Earthboy: motives, intentions, intentionality...all hard to diagnose from a distance...nearly impossible to diagnose blindly

Archmage Atlantis: Agree

Archmage Atlantis: One of my strongest, most influential memories was being told by a much younger friend, whom I thought a great deal of, that I couldn't understand what was in his mind......and he was right.

Dash Earthboy: "if you think you understand me, I've obviously misstated my point" :)

Archmage Atlantis: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: I often think of it like a headache, only the person who has it sufferes all alone until they tell someone else, like your won hell that no one else can experience,

Archmage Atlantis: Agree

stevenaia Michinaga: but can never show their pain to someone else

 

--BELL--

 

Dash Earthboy: preaching to the choir :)

FcSeeker Resident: takes a humble bow

FcSeeker Resident: best to all of you

stevenaia Michinaga: smiles Fc

FcSeeker Resident: namaste

Dash Earthboy: so if one has a migraine, and tells somebody, and gets the response "just forget about it" where does one go from there?

Dash Earthboy: bye Fc

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Fc!

Archmage Atlantis: Byr Fc

Dash Earthboy: that is the response to admitting to having problems: "change your thinking"

Archmage Atlantis: Fingers are failing.......time to move along.......Blessings and Namaste all.

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Arch! nice to see you

Dash Earthboy: g'nite Arch

stevenaia Michinaga: bye Arch

SophiaSharon Larnia: and I'm off as well, early day tomorrow

SophiaSharon Larnia: :)

Dash Earthboy: yah it's that time....

stevenaia Michinaga: night SSL, keep dry

Dash Earthboy: pax et bonum y'all

stevenaia Michinaga: night dash

SophiaSharon Larnia: too late for that, Stevenaia

SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now