The Guardian for this meeting was Zen Arado. The comments are by Zen Arado. Present were Alfred kelberry, Archmage Atlantis, Bleu Oleander, Bruce Mowbray, Korel Laloix, Multiverse Resident, Sophiasharon Larnia, Wester Kiranov, Wol Euler and myself

Introductions:

Alfred Kelberry: kori girl! :)
Alfred Kelberry: um, that's a bit too close :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi ;)

Alfred Kelberry: ari :)
Alfred Kelberry: it was nice seeing folks grabbing boxes of various sizes :)
Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi all :)
Zen Arado: my clothes aren'trezzing
Alfred Kelberry: oh, ari. you look different :)
Alfred Kelberry: i can see it, zen
Alfred Kelberry: new skin, ari? :)
Alfred Kelberry: er, ok
Zen Arado: I'm running around half naked
Alfred Kelberry: woly girl! :)
Alfred Kelberry: ari, that must be it :)
Wol Euler: happy new year, dear pabonauts
Zen Arado: Hi Wol :)
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs woly*
Alfred Kelberry: good to have you back! :)
Wol Euler: thank you, it's nice to be back
Alfred Kelberry: nicely casual today :)
Alfred Kelberry: are you fresh from the plane?
Wol Euler: aren't we all?
Alfred Kelberry: i'm fresh from a road trip :)
Wol Euler: I'm used from the plane
Alfred Kelberry: i'm ok here, archy :)
Wol Euler: had a 90 minute nap, really tired
Alfred Kelberry: aww
Alfred Kelberry: you popped in to see us though :)
Wol Euler: of course!
Alfred Kelberry: there! you have a trusted ari now :)
Wol Euler: perhaps I should change seats with Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: purr
Alfred Kelberry: how was the flight, woly?
Wol Euler: long, dull
Alfred Kelberry: ate and slept well?
Wol Euler: no and no
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Wol Euler: but waht the hell :)
Zen Arado: you sleep you sleep
Alfred Kelberry: no, food on a plane is important :)
Alfred Kelberry: bruce :)
Zen Arado: if not you stay awake
Wol Euler: happy new year, bruce
Wol Euler nods to zen
Zen Arado: Hi Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: i like the flights when you wake up on touch down
Wol Euler: I know, arch.
Wol Euler: that some people need to have a leg amputated doesn't make my sore tooth hurt less
Zen Arado: HNY to you too Bruce
Zen Arado: can put it in perspective tho :)

Alfred Kelberry: i kill you
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: I was telling a woman how cold my legs get at retreats
Zen Arado: she said i
Zen Arado: 'it could be worse'
Zen Arado: she had had both legs amputated
Wol Euler: huh
Wol Euler: perspective is good
Alfred Kelberry: yes, perspective
Alfred Kelberry: or just a point
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Zen Arado: Hi Sharon:)
Zen Arado: what does Neko mean?
Zen Arado: better clear up this mystery
Alfred Kelberry: *pushes the like button on sharon*
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
SophiaSharon Larnia: *Boxy* you are so sweet I love it
Alfred Kelberry: *flaps his ears* :)
Wol Euler: pretty :)
Bleu Oleander: hey all :)
Wol Euler: hello bleu, happynew year
Bleu Oleander: happy new year!!
Alfred Kelberry: zen, neko... um, it's a cute kitty of a japanese descent :)
Multiverse1 Resident: Hi all
Alfred Kelberry: multi :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Multiverse
Zen Arado: ok ty Boxy
Zen Arado: Hi Bleu and Multi
Alfred Kelberry: blue! full house this session :)
Alfred Kelberry: mmm
Arisia Vita envies boxy's nose...
Wester Kiranov: I think one of us will have to claim this session, as Fef won't be here today
Wol Euler leans over and licks Ari's nnose
SophiaSharon Larnia: what is the topic?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahahah
Bleu Oleander: :)
Arisia Vita: tickles...
Alfred Kelberry: *licks ari's nose* :)
Wester Kiranov: I think the topic is "things to do with noses" ;)
Bruce Mowbray: afk for a couple of minutes -- phone call from doctor.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmm
Wol Euler: hehehe

Sense of smell:

Multiverse1 Resident: Multi wonders what alf can smell arund and about him
Alfred Kelberry: mid winter, i think
Multiverse1 Resident: lighting an insence here
Zen Arado: 1000 times more than we can
Bleu Oleander: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: a smell will take you back in time like little else will
Alfred Kelberry: true, sharon

Bruce Mowbray: back.
Wol Euler: wb
SophiaSharon Larnia: Olfaction is among the oldest sense in vertebrates
Zen Arado: wb Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: welcome Multiverse and Bleu.
Arisia Vita: wb, good news I hope
Bruce Mowbray: well, just scheduling two cat scans.
Zen Arado: it is?
Bleu Oleander: hiya Bruce
SophiaSharon Larnia: in the oldest part of the brain
SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
Bruce Mowbray: I wish I could have gotten a dog scan .l.. but oh well.
Zen Arado: interesting
Wol Euler: boom boom
Wol Euler: ah, the old jokes are the best
SophiaSharon Larnia: he Bruce
Alfred Kelberry: i have certain perfumes associated with certain girls and of course memories :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Zen Arado: and humans have a weak sesne of smell?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed
Multiverse1 Resident: What was the 1st sense
Zen Arado: vision?
Multiverse1 Resident: touch I would think
Bleu Oleander: probably touch
SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting thought, first sense :)
Zen Arado: yeh
Alfred Kelberry: weak or not, it's predominant in liking the food we eat
SophiaSharon Larnia: i tend to agree Bleu :) but have nothing to base it on
Bleu Oleander: me either :)

Diets and dieting:

Bruce Mowbray: oh yes -- and the Sensa diet is based on olfactory sense -- and WORKS!
SophiaSharon Larnia: it kinda makes sense, creeping around for food
Zen Arado: Sensa?
Bruce Mowbray: I'll find a link.
Bruce Mowbray: The diet is great.
Zen Arado: new year new diets
Alfred Kelberry: no diet is even better :)
Multiverse1 Resident: Can you gain weight with this Sensa?
Zen Arado: :)
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.trysensa.com/
SophiaSharon Larnia: the diet sounds like it'd give you some satisfaction, that you enjoyed what you ate
Alfred Kelberry: ah, good domain name
Bruce Mowbray: It fools the brain into thinking you are not hungry -- therefore you lose your appetite.
Multiverse1 Resident: Not for me then
Wester Kiranov: I don't thinkl trying to fool the brain in food matters is a good idea
Bruce Mowbray: no changes in diet or exercise required (or so they say) -- but you have no cravings for snacks. . .
Bruce Mowbray: (My brain is easily fooled.)
Alfred Kelberry: i like snacks
Zen Arado: seems you would waste food then?
Multiverse1 Resident: we spoke of this yesterday, sometymes we are too busy to eat, then binge
Alfred Kelberry: *takes out a cookie from his pocket*
Zen Arado: couldn't finish a meal?
Wester Kiranov: I think the brain only plays a secondary role in food nutrition matters anyway
Multiverse1 Resident: I ate 6 cookies today, choc chip
Alfred Kelberry: multu, too busy to eat is true
Wester Kiranov: it's secondary to the body
Arisia Vita: sprinkle the sensa in your mouth before you fix the meal... :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Wester Kiranov: (the brain)
Zen Arado: the stomach plays main role?
Bruce Mowbray: I tend to eat out of habit, while doing something else (SL or TV, etc.) -- and also for comfort. . . Sensa knocks out the craving for that.
Wester Kiranov: no, the cells in your body
Zen Arado: well my stomach tells me
Zen Arado: it rumbles at me :)
Wol Euler looks at the half-eaten package of liquorice allsorts and nods sadly
Wester Kiranov: the body is actually quite good at regulating the amount of food it takes in.
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
SophiaSharon Larnia: my sense of hunger is broken too
Multiverse1 Resident: Spoke of something I haven't eaten in years today, Baked Alaska
Wester Kiranov: That's where all these stories of "you only have to eat 100 calories less" come from
Wol Euler: I can at least blame my mis-eating tonight on jetlag
Zen Arado: who only eats when hungry?
SophiaSharon Larnia: ohj!
Wester Kiranov: me
Bruce Mowbray: eating tries to be a substitute for emotional needs - as well as nutritional. . . so that's where Sensa can help.
Alfred Kelberry: woly, not a problem for you. you can eat :)
Bruce Mowbray: (probably a psychiatric problem, of sorts, actually).
Zen Arado: comfort eating
Bruce Mowbray: yep, comfort eating.
SophiaSharon Larnia: = releasing endorphins
Alfred Kelberry: also, talking about food makes you hungry :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: the licorice talk made me want licorice
Alfred Kelberry: *ponders a walk to the kitchen*
Bruce Mowbray: not me, anymore, Alfred.
Multiverse1 Resident: I do not gain, I have to force myself, my body wants food but my brain outs it off
Zen Arado: I am still hungry after meals
Wester Kiranov: most of us comfort eat to some point, but for some the body balances that out well and for some it doesn't
Multiverse1 Resident: a consort of smell
Zen Arado: if you starve yourself the body only stores more fat I heard
Multiverse1 Resident: taste
Wester Kiranov: it's true, zen
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, hence my problem Zen lol
Multiverse1 Resident: I am and have always been thin
SophiaSharon Larnia: feast or famine
Zen Arado: so no point in dieting?
Bleu Oleander: all this talk is making me hungry ...
Wester Kiranov: I have lost 15 kilos in the last year
Multiverse1 Resident: A diet is what we eat
Zen Arado: wow a lot Wester
Wol Euler: dietary change works, but a crash diet only teaches your body that famines occur
Wol Euler: (so htey say)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow wester I hope intentional
Multiverse1 Resident: a weght loss diet is an abberation
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, Wol.
Wester Kiranov: I had actually given up on ever getiing to a healthy weight again
Zen Arado: how did you do it Wester?
Bruce Mowbray: What would you suggest for folks who are over-weight, Multi?
Wester Kiranov: Yes, very intentional :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yay then :D i could learn from you
Multiverse1 Resident: smoke cigarrttes is my foible
Bruce Mowbray: Emotional support from friends is also important.
Zen Arado: tho it can keep weight down
Multiverse1 Resident: also High Metabolic rate
Wester Kiranov: I read a book called Good calories Bad calories whichj told me a lot about the mechanisms
Zen Arado: I don't get enough exercxise
Wester Kiranov: then I cut out all high-carb foods
Zen Arado: checks on Amazon ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh those high carb foods darn :P
Multiverse1 Resident: I walk miles every week also, sometymes as many as 20
Wester Kiranov: I highly recommend the book, even if you're happy with your weight
Bruce Mowbray: The Adkins Diet is a no-carb way to go -- and it actually works, IF you have the will-power (and Sensa can give you the will-power.)
SophiaSharon Larnia: makes a note
Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calorie...5713460&sr=1-1
Wester Kiranov: Atkins was the method I followed, yes
Bruce Mowbray: see? It works!
--BELL--
Multiverse1 Resident: I also eat little " Processed foods"
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Multiverse1 Resident: I want a nose like that!
Bruce Mowbray: fitting.,
Zen Arado: noy sure about Atkins
Wester Kiranov: on most other diets, you get hungry. then you need a lot of will power. on Atkins you only need to cut out certain food, but you don't get hungry
Multiverse1 Resident: Multi wants to yaste an ear of " Boxy's "
Korel Laloix: The sad part about it, I try various diets to gain weight with little success... amazing how we want what we dont have.
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Wester Kiranov: (or other diets sufficiently low-carb)
Alfred Kelberry: kori, you think you're too thin?
Zen Arado: a bit low on fruit and vegetables?
Wester Kiranov: korel: maybe you should try a high-carb diet
Alfred Kelberry: multi, no ears script, sorry :)
Alfred Kelberry: wester, lots of meat and cookies, i'd say
Multiverse1 Resident: balance is considerable, as well as heredity and occupation, and vocations
Zen Arado: cereals and porridge are high carb?
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bleu Oleander: bye all ... going for a snack :)
Wol Euler: heheh
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bleu :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bye bye Bleu.
Wol Euler: bon appetit bleu
Zen Arado: what would I have fro breakfast?
Bleu Oleander: bye bye
Wester Kiranov: yes they are zen
Zen Arado: bye Bleu :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: eggs and bacon Zen
SophiaSharon Larnia: everyday
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
Zen Arado: hmm
Multiverse1 Resident: each of us is individual in this
Wester Kiranov: you can have eggs, or cheese, or leftovers of the last evening
SophiaSharon Larnia: its not really a diet for a vegetarian
Wester Kiranov: the thing is, I really don't miss the things I can't have on this diet
Zen Arado: for sure Sharon
Wester Kiranov: no, difficult for vegetarian, I admit
SophiaSharon Larnia: beans and more beans lol
Korel Laloix: I do a high carb diet...
Korel Laloix: But I am up to 76 now... from 73 about a month ago.
Wester Kiranov: I only get mildly nostalic for carbs, like meeting someone you had a crush on 10 years ago
SophiaSharon Larnia wants to get away with that
Wol Euler chuckles.
Zen Arado: 76 what Korel?
Wol Euler: (to wester(
Multiverse1 Resident: kg Kore;
Korel Laloix: Lbs.. sorry.
Korel Laloix: I am only 4'9
Zen Arado: gosh
Multiverse1 Resident: wow
Multiverse1 Resident: that's light even for that height
Korel Laloix: I know I know...
Korel Laloix: Slowly gaining again.
Korel Laloix: Hard for me to put on weight.
Multiverse1 Resident: I'm 6'1" and 165
Multiverse1 Resident: used to be 220 and not fat
Multiverse1 Resident: samr here
Multiverse1 Resident: an anti-diet is what I need
Wester Kiranov: wow korel, that is seriously too light
Multiverse1 Resident: or reduce tobacco
Multiverse1 Resident: too light indeed
Bruce Mowbray: Some folks simply cannot get the exercise we need to brun off calories (Zen and I, for example), so sometyimes diets are required. . .
Bruce Mowbray: burn*
Multiverse1 Resident: Korel the feather then
Zen Arado: I'm 6' 0" and 67 kg
Zen Arado: but I lost a lot of muscle
Korel Laloix: I was up ro 95lbs a bout 18 month ago.
Bruce Mowbray: what is 184 pound in kg?
Korel Laloix: But it is so easy to loose.
Wol Euler: 84kg
Multiverse1 Resident: thinking and not eating? Too busy Korel?
Wol Euler: 2.2lb = 1kg
Bruce Mowbray: thanks, Wol!
Korel Laloix: I run too much.
Korel Laloix: And I can't have dairy.
Multiverse1 Resident: ah
Multiverse1 Resident: I walk and not run
Wester Kiranov: Most people work up an appetite if they run a lot :)
Bruce Mowbray: Wow -- Zen is skinny!
Wester Kiranov: I can understand food intolerance would not help
Multiverse1 Resident: Skin Zen then
Zen Arado: but lost anout 20 or 30 lbs of muscles
Bruce Mowbray: no good.
Bruce Mowbray: not*
Multiverse1 Resident: I have lost muscle mass too
Zen Arado: still have fat around y waist
Korel Laloix: I lift three times a week as well.
Multiverse1 Resident: 18,322 days and soft
Zen Arado: I watch my weight
Multiverse1 Resident: Korel you burn want you eat
Zen Arado: if not I would not be able to get around
Korel Laloix: I bit more than I eat recently.
Multiverse1 Resident: what
Korel Laloix: Back to RL... take care all.
Wol Euler: 'night korel, take care
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Kori!
Zen Arado: bye Korel
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Korel, take care
Wester Kiranov: night korel. take care of yourself

Multiverse1 Resident: Take care korel
Bruce Mowbray: Time for me to go also.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks everyone.
Arisia Vita: I too must fly...
Wol Euler: bye bruce, take care
Zen Arado: ok bye Bruce
Wol Euler: bye ari
Multiverse1 Resident: By Bruce
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Bruce :) hope everything works out ok
Wester Kiranov: bye bruce, ari
Arisia Vita: be well and happy
Zen Arado: bye Ari
Wol Euler: yes, good luck!
SophiaSharon Larnia: Bye Ari, so nice to see you
Multiverse1 Resident: Be happy Arisa
Arisia Vita: you are all special, no matter what you weigh
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Zen Arado: ty Ari :)
Wol Euler: hehehe
Zen Arado: fat but special :)
SophiaSharon Larnia is greatful for Ari's wisdom
SophiaSharon Larnia: grateful*
Multiverse1 Resident: I weigh nothing here in sl
Zen Arado: true
Zen Arado: SL diet
Zen Arado: great way to get slim :)
Wester Kiranov: or whatever shape you want :)
Multiverse1 Resident: can eat everything in sight, and what you can't see you can grow in a few minutes
Multiverse1 Resident: solve the world's famine
Zen Arado: yeh
Wester Kiranov: it's a pity you can't smell or taste anything here though...
SophiaSharon Larnia: lose weight in one slide
Wol Euler: yes, wester
Multiverse1 Resident: Muti wants a watermelon
SophiaSharon Larnia throws a watermelon at Multi
Multiverse1 Resident: not really
SophiaSharon Larnia: gtg, have fun all!!! See ya
Multiverse1 Resident: they grow them squarely in Japan no?
Zen Arado: take care Shaon
Multiverse1 Resident: By Soph
SophiaSharon Larnia: you too :)
Wester Kiranov: bye sophia
Wol Euler: bye sophia, take care
Multiverse1 Resident: Has anyone seen the way they grow watermelons in Japan?
Zen Arado: no?
Multiverse1 Resident: They grow them in buckets so they can be stacked in the stores
Multiverse1 Resident: square
Zen Arado: hmm
Multiverse1 Resident: a very big item there from what I understand, shall ask pema
Zen Arado: Japanese always seem to be reducing size of things
Multiverse1 Resident: they grow to the container
Zen Arado: dod you see them Wol?
Multiverse1 Resident: seasonal perhaps, but I saw thounds on the tv
Multiverse1 Resident: thousands
Multiverse1 Resident: all in buckets
Wol Euler: no, or they didn't register with me
Wol Euler: I was not often in food stores
Multiverse1 Resident: then stacked on top of one another, quite smart I think
Wol Euler: perhaps not at all actually ... a surprising omission
Wester Kiranov: time for me to go as well
Archmage Atlantis: Why do we condemn ourselves....yes we smoke, drink, drug at times in the long history of our lives.....but is that the thing that is important?..
Wol Euler: bye wester, happy 2012
Zen Arado: ok bye Wester
Multiverse1 Resident: by Wester
Wester Kiranov: namaste
Archmage Atlantis: Is not kindness more important
Wol Euler: I would say so, arch, yes
Multiverse1 Resident: hmm Arch, what is important?
Zen Arado: good question
Archmage Atlantis: Is not love for each other more important
Zen Arado: kindness as Arch said ?
Zen Arado: as Dalai Lama said
Archmage Atlantis: I am so tired of each of us judging each other
Zen Arado: love for ourselves
Multiverse1 Resident: yes, of course, thought Arch had something particular in mind when he stated that is all
Zen Arado: if you know what I mean
Zen Arado: judging is a survival tactic is it not?
Zen Arado: so we can be prepared
Multiverse1 Resident: daily
Multiverse1 Resident: I make that my goal, "not to judge "
Archmage Atlantis: This world, this reality is tired
Multiverse1 Resident: hourly
Multiverse1 Resident: be objective
Zen Arado: 'judge not lest ye be judged'
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste, Kids.....got to go
Zen Arado: _/!\_
Multiverse1 Resident: not that so much as being "objective"
Zen Arado: bye Arch
Multiverse1 Resident: by Arch, Bye Zen and woler and boxy. Had a friend walk in TC
Zen Arado: what's halfway between subjective and objective?
Multiverse1 Resident: a wall, by
Zen Arado: bye Multi
Wol Euler: bye multi
Wol Euler: bye arch
Zen Arado: I better go too
Zen Arado: I'll post the log

Wol Euler nods and smiles
Wol Euler: thanks, zen
Wol Euler: goodnight, take care
Zen Arado: be and TC too :)