The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways and joined by Eliza, Zen, Lawrence and Yakuzza.

For a couple weeks there were no sim restarts.  Then Eliza was here :).

themes of death, impermanence, birth, openness, wisdom, wonder, hotels and retreats.

Riddle Sideways: Good Morning, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: if it is one :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Riddle Sideways: hope you brought a great topic with you
Eliza Madrigal looks in pocket
Riddle Sideways: this goC is empty
Eliza Madrigal: where the best topics come from, so we're set then Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways looks in the coffee cup
Riddle Sideways: ah, grounds
Riddle Sideways: grounding
Eliza Madrigal: grounding is a wonderful topic
Riddle Sideways: the foundation
Riddle Sideways: starts with a deep breathe
Riddle Sideways: probably not need to wait for the quarter hour
Eliza Madrigal: surely not :)

         Speaking of needing to take a deep breath
Riddle Sideways: daugther is having anxiety attach over school, life, future, decisions
Riddle Sideways: got up this morning to find a note on kitchen counter
Eliza Madrigal: aw, difficult... nice that she reaches out
Riddle Sideways: she needs to decide all the future right now
Eliza Madrigal: that is what everything is telling her I guess
Riddle Sideways: yes nice, but how to help
Eliza Madrigal: modeling restfulness?
Riddle Sideways: the anxiety over perhaps making the WRONG decision now
Eliza Madrigal: she is indeed at a pivotal point in life, so denying that is surely no help...

Riddle Sideways: this parenting stuff is an for the weak
Riddle Sideways: *not
Eliza Madrigal: and yet the anxiety doesn't leave when one crosses that point, so... hm...
Eliza Madrigal: agree Riddle
Riddle Sideways: nope, new point just ahead
Eliza Madrigal: have been struggling a bit here too
Eliza Madrigal: thought we got through the 'tough years' ...
Eliza Madrigal: thought they were supposed to happen at a 'certain place'
Eliza Madrigal: and then >whew<
Riddle Sideways: please to remind.... which are the tough years :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahha... well, for me I measured when mine were
Eliza Madrigal: and thought theirs would be around that time
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: silly goose
Riddle Sideways: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose what is important is that she feels she has room to make mistakes
Riddle Sideways: she knows that
Eliza Madrigal: adaptability
Riddle Sideways: it is more about... is she going to miss something
Eliza Madrigal: ah :))
Riddle Sideways: university has 1,234 really interesting classes to take
Eliza Madrigal: wow I feel like that :))
Riddle Sideways: which is the best
                     --BELL-- 
Riddle Sideways: Hi Zen, come sit front row
Eliza Madrigal: Send her to Stim's class, Riddle :) It will seem an addition but maybe put things in perspective :))
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi Riddle, Eliza

Eliza Madrigal: just in time to restart
Zen Arado: oh
Riddle Sideways: oh, did not see note
Eliza Madrigal: Shall we move to Kira?
Riddle Sideways: in 3 min go to kira
Riddle Sideways: c'ya
Eliza Madrigal: K :)

         This Area Restarts.  

Riddle Sideways: back
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: back in proper context
Riddle Sideways: now then, what wear we talkin abou
Riddle Sideways: oh never mind
Riddle Sideways: just love mixing movie dialogues
Riddle Sideways: was that the gong?
Riddle Sideways: did that couple weeks ago too
         At Kira Cafe there was talk of retreat locations.
Zen Arado: I posted email
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Zen
Riddle Sideways: thanks, is always good to get mail
Riddle Sideways: going to the postal box and having nothing is really depressing
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: nothing can be a gift
Zen Arado: you have to write them to get replies :)
Riddle Sideways: ah yes
Zen Arado: that's the hard part :)

Eliza Madrigal: I was intrigued hearing a prison librarian describe sky writing that goes on ... complex but people learn to read letters drawn in the sky :)
Eliza Madrigal: mail without traces
Eliza Madrigal: or like Luci's idea of having the students sent imaginary emails to make plans, so cute :)
Eliza Madrigal: *send
Zen Arado: imermanent writing
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: impermanent
Zen Arado: do skywrites make typos?
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Riddle Sideways: maybe forget to dot the i's
Eliza Madrigal: pointing may be dangerous
Zen Arado: not proper punctuation tut tut
Zen Arado: French skywriteres mus have a hard time
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eliza Madrigal: love the term in Zen calligraphy, "flying white"
Zen Arado: never heard of that?
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, now imagining 7 plances flying parallel dotting smoke puffs like a dot matrix printer
Riddle Sideways: *planes
Eliza Madrigal: brush strokes that have much dry brush, in a sense
                     --BELL-- 
Zen Arado: we have a flying group does that...the Red Arrows

[07:46] Zen (zen.arado): http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=red...w=1440&bih=739

       or http://alturl.com/j8s3r

Eliza Madrigal: eek did I accidentally shut off the listener? if so, sorry...
Riddle Sideways: think it was not running
Eliza Madrigal: pointer with mind on its own
Riddle Sideways: just restarted it
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, okay :)

Eliza Madrigal: neat, Zen, ty
Zen Arado: one crashed last year
Zen Arado: pilot was killed
Riddle Sideways: air shows are dangerious
             Business meeting ahead
Eliza Madrigal: (btw, before signing off would like to ask about morning schedules, would like to go back to one but wed isn't good for me each week)
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, tues and wed are still best
Eliza Madrigal: are you attached to tuesdays Riddle?
Riddle Sideways: tradition !!!
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Riddle Sideways: been here so long
Eliza Madrigal: true...alas
Riddle Sideways: maybe, will think on it
Eliza Madrigal: what about Mondays Zen? Would Wed be better for you since you have OF also on Mondays?
Zen Arado: not much difference I guess
Zen Arado: drops Monday attachment
Eliza Madrigal: maybe give a few days to think about it, am not quite at brightest during evening sessions
Eliza Madrigal: so would be good to switch back
Riddle Sideways: which do you like better, Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I'd be okay with either. Monday would be great... or maybe I could try Saturday mornings but sometimes the kids have things then
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, wait... not Saturdays (sorry to be thinking aloud)
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Eliza Madrigal: sigh
Zen Arado: maybe Riddle likes doing Wed?
Eliza Madrigal: Tuesdays and Riddle are like apple and pie
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Riddle Sideways: giggles too
Riddle Sideways: why dropping tues is hard
Eliza Madrigal: yes would be strange
Riddle Sideways: wednesday is better
Eliza Madrigal: I'd feel I was always filling in
Riddle Sideways: monday is usually a late night
Eliza Madrigal: I like evenings but sometimes when they are fast paced I'm not really up to it... so...
Eliza Madrigal: don't want to be cranky :)

Riddle Sideways: now stuck in "Tuesdays with Morrie" quotes in head
Eliza Madrigal: oh, give us one?
Riddle Sideways: http://www.pinkmonkey.com/booknotes/...thMorrie16.asp
Riddle Sideways: or http://quote2me.blogspot.com/2007/04...th-morrie.html
                     --BELL-- 
Eliza Madrigal: "You closed your eyes. That was the difference. Sometimes you cannot believe what you see, you have to believe what you feel. And if you are ever going to have other people trust you, you must feel that you can trust them too-even when you are in the dark. Even when you're falling."
Zen Arado: nice Eliza
Zen Arado: feeling and trust
Eliza Madrigal: from Riddle's link....nice
Riddle Sideways: read the book years ago
Riddle Sideways: always am remembering another old man in NYC that would visit when could
Riddle Sideways: famous photographer
Riddle Sideways: millions of photos in apartment
Riddle Sideways: he would pull out a box and just start talking
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Riddle Sideways: had so much wisdom
Riddle Sideways: all his aged friends had died
Riddle Sideways: and he was waiting
Riddle Sideways: wanted to tell stories to somebody
Riddle Sideways: we did not live in NYC then, so could not visit every tuesday
Riddle Sideways: that book was like visiting him
Eliza Madrigal: guru in the apartment
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much for sharing that

Riddle Sideways: worse part is ...
Riddle Sideways: can't recall his name :(
Riddle Sideways: really is sad
Eliza Madrigal: something amazing about that too...
Eliza Madrigal: ephemeral
Riddle Sideways: can picture him and all
Riddle Sideways: maybe names are not that important
Riddle Sideways: his memory holds, but not a name
Riddle Sideways: is a name a metaphor
Riddle Sideways: not the real person, story, history, Being
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Eliza Madrigal: what he imparted remains
Eliza Madrigal: what brought you to visit him?

Lawrence Vyceratops: hi
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lawrence, ltns
Riddle Sideways: Hi Lawrence
Yakuzza Lethecus: hello lawrence
Zen Arado: Hi Lawrence
Riddle Sideways: been a long time, Lawrence
Lawrence Vyceratops: yes. about a year, i think
Zen Arado: a year without pab
Riddle Sideways: hope all has been well
Zen Arado: what a deprivation :)
Zen Arado: yes health ok ?
Lawrence Vyceratops: had a baby! :D
Zen Arado: oh
Eliza Madrigal: ohhh Congratulations !
Riddle Sideways: sorry, was just thinking about not being here on tuesdays
Zen Arado: congrtas
Riddle Sideways: mazel tov
Zen Arado: lights cigar
Lawrence Vyceratops: thank you! he's a fat, healthy 7 mo old!
                     --BELL-- 
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful :))
Zen Arado: maybe too late for cigar then
Riddle Sideways: ah, the adventure begins
Eliza Madrigal: cycles :)
Riddle Sideways: yep
Riddle Sideways: at 19 years, they still need cuddling, pampering and care
Eliza Madrigal: nods, very much so
Lawrence Vyceratops: i'm sure my wife will think so ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Lawrence Vyceratops: she already remembers 2 mos ago like it was ages! haha
Eliza Madrigal: it was!
Lawrence Vyceratops: haha
Eliza Madrigal: like, just after they are born and being 'next to you' feels like being miles away
Lawrence Vyceratops: awww haha
Eliza Madrigal: thanks for this morning's session Riddle and everyone... themes of death, impermanence, birth, openness, wisdom, wonder :)
Riddle Sideways: nice summary
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you again Lawrence
Riddle Sideways: thanks and have the nicest day
Lawrence Vyceratops: yes, i missed this morning's session...
Eliza Madrigal: best to your family :)
Zen Arado: and hotels and retreats
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much, and you too
Lawrence Vyceratops: i was wondering what you guys talked about
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Zen
Zen Arado: ty Riddle
Zen Arado: byee
Eliza Madrigal: retreating and emerging :) and flying, and flying white
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye riddle
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Riddle Sideways: and please come back (if/when you can), Lawrence
Eliza Madrigal waves, and yes please, see you soon
Riddle Sideways: want to hear your stories
Lawrence Vyceratops: certainly!
Riddle Sideways: but, need to go do/be/whatever
Riddle Sideways: bye