2012.01.20 01:00 - Retreating from retreats

Wol Euler was guardian for this session.

Wol Euler: good morning, Cal
Wol Euler: you are up early, or very late
Calvino Rabeni: Good morning .. yes late-ish
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: ah, coffee is finally ready. brb
Calvino Rabeni: I'm only here for a brief visit I think
Wol Euler: nice to see you, however briefly

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: :)
Calvino Rabeni: The biggest religion in Switzerland?
Wol Euler: I believe the majority are protestant
Wol Euler: but couldn't tell you with certainty
Calvino Rabeni: According to a recent survey it is ...
Calvino Rabeni: Tibetan Buddhism
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: okaaaaaay
Wol Euler: I'd want to know a little about sample size and methodology :)
Calvino Rabeni: That seems like it would be self-reported, rather than by cultural background
Wol Euler: but even so ...
Wol Euler: there are a lot of Swiss ...
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, it would be good to have a credible source referring to these statistical reports
Calvino Rabeni: giving their methodologies
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: a kind of clearing-house for reliability
Wol Euler: perhaps unworkable :) because that too would be self-reported :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes ... well a meta collection of research seems feasible
Wol Euler: it would almost be a solution if the poll presenters would give footnotes about size and methods
Wol Euler: that would give us a measure of confidence (or justified skepticism) in the results
Wol Euler: I am reminded of a similar poll in England a few years ago, which gave Pastafarian as the fourth-largest religiion there :)
Wol Euler: I found that result improbable
Wol Euler smiles.
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Diseases-...dp/0415520630/
Calvino Rabeni: Is about the movement of psychiatry and other mental health professions back towards treating religion and spirituality as a legitimate human concern
Calvino Rabeni: "The Fish will be the last to know ...
Calvino Rabeni: .. Water" :)
Wol Euler: interesting
Calvino Rabeni: ooh sorry, my brief visit must end :)
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, take care, WOL :)
Wol Euler: bye cal, sleep well
Calvino Rabeni: TY, Bye

A brief pause, during which I thought quiet thoughts.

Alfred Kelberry: wee!
Alfred Kelberry: mmm, woly :)
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs*
Wol Euler: good morning, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Wol Euler rubs your corners
Alfred Kelberry: cute girl :)
Alfred Kelberry: how are you? relaxing before work?
Wol Euler: something like that
Alfred Kelberry: good plan
Alfred Kelberry: read pema's email?
Wol Euler: not yet
Alfred Kelberry: on retreat
Alfred Kelberry: i think he's right. there is less interest now than before.
Wol Euler is sad.
Alfred Kelberry: no, don't be :) *perks your nose*
Wol Euler laughs.
Alfred Kelberry: things change

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: evolve
Alfred Kelberry: :
Alfred Kelberry: i think it's important to not label it as good or bad (as pema said)
Wol Euler is still sad.
Alfred Kelberry: yet i think i can sense sadness in his narrative
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Alfred Kelberry: which is something we all sense and it's normal
Alfred Kelberry: yet we have to keep playing and enjoy the present :)
Alfred Kelberry: you never know what awaits around the corner
Wol Euler: of course
Wol Euler: but just on a general note: when the buddha said "don't be attached to your emotions", I do not think he meant "do not HAVE emotions"
Alfred Kelberry: also, 3-4 years period is when often times change happens in the dynamics of married couples :)
Wol Euler: heh
Alfred Kelberry: *nods to emotions*
Alfred Kelberry: i think the gist was to not let those emotions drag you down
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: so, how is Spring in Venice looking?
Wol Euler: oh, I should have sent you my dates and that residence info
Alfred Kelberry: um, can't say just yet
Alfred Kelberry: aph is willing to go in the fall
Wol Euler: well, fall is nice too
Wol Euler: end of september, say: tourists are gone but it's still warm enough to eat outdoors every evening
Alfred Kelberry: yes! :)
Alfred Kelberry: i hope a meetup will pop up in the u.s./canada as well
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: what do you think about the empty slots? should we just drop those unfortunate hours?
Wol Euler sighs.
Wol Euler tries not to have Attachments.
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: which slots are empty?
Alfred Kelberry: 7
Wol Euler: good god.
Alfred Kelberry: look up the eliza's last email
Wol Euler: that's a quarter of the week!
Wol Euler: I had no idea it was so bad
Alfred Kelberry: wait, are you on the wg list?
Alfred Kelberry: ah, you're not
Wol Euler: possibly not
Alfred Kelberry: yes, we discuss this at the moment
Alfred Kelberry: things change and i think we have to adapt and go along rather than try to bring back the past
Alfred Kelberry: that's what pemayana says as well :)
Alfred Kelberry: oh, there's an exciting rumor that i'm not going to tell :)
Alfred Kelberry: something that popped up unexpectedly and also connects the past with the present :)
Wol Euler: ah :)
Wol Euler: teaser
Alfred Kelberry: yep :)
Wol Euler: heheheh

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: xiri girl is on
Alfred Kelberry: she wants us in spain :)
Wol Euler: that is fine by me; the issue remains "how many are we?"
Wol Euler: three in spain is not different to three in ireland
Alfred Kelberry: no idea
Alfred Kelberry: 3 is fine by me :)
Wol Euler: I do not believe that we were more than three for spain
Wol Euler: hello xir!
Alfred Kelberry: xiri girl :)
Xirana Oximoxi: good morning Wol, Boxy:)
Alfred Kelberry: tlaking about span :)
Alfred Kelberry: gah
Alfred Kelberry: spain
Wol Euler: come and join us
Xirana Oximoxi: yesterday I bought a new computer..tomorrow I wll have it..now all goes slow slow...
Wol Euler: yay for new computers
Alfred Kelberry: ah, congrats! fresh computer for the friday mayhem :)
Xirana Oximoxi: are you talking about coming to Spain?
Alfred Kelberry: yes, in common terms
Wol Euler: we are talking about how sad it is that only 3 people wanted to go on retreat this summer
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...coming to SL with no good computer is not fun :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ah yes.. it's sad
Xirana Oximoxi: but I also understand that it's quite expensive coming from the other side of the world
Wol Euler: sure
Wol Euler: but it is no cheaper for us to go there!
Xirana Oximoxi: yes..the same:)
Alfred Kelberry: what's the closest big city from you, xiri?
Xirana Oximoxi: well...Barcelona is 100 km. :)... and then the most next to me is Vic
Xirana Oximoxi: it's a small city, but nice and quick to visit
Alfred Kelberry: barcelona is sure worth a visit :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...in Barcelona there are a lot of things to do, to visit, restaurants..activities...
Wol Euler nods.
Alfred Kelberry: you know the city well?
Xirana Oximoxi: for a more relaxing weekend Rupit is perfect:) (my village)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: brbr
Xirana Oximoxi: http://www.google.es/search?tbm=isch...1215l0.1.4l5l0
Wol Euler: oooh, pretty
Xirana Oximoxi: :)
Alfred Kelberry: love the bridge
Xirana Oximoxi: it's a quiet turistic place :)
Alfred Kelberry: mountains too!
Xirana Oximoxi: all made of stone
Alfred Kelberry: lovely
Xirana Oximoxi: at least 6 or 7 restaurants:)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: that#s enough for a week :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Alfred Kelberry: we can make a cafe in your place too, xiri :)
Xirana Oximoxi: of course:)
Alfred Kelberry: i want to get there: http://www.entremontanas.com/montana...tetarupit1.jpg
Xirana Oximoxi: it's a wonderful walk:)
Alfred Kelberry: climb up and have a picnic at the edge :)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
Alfred Kelberry: you've done it already? :)
Xirana Oximoxi: and now I must go to my french chat!! :)

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, 1 min to go
Xirana Oximoxi: yes...I have done... but with car:))
Alfred Kelberry: cheater! :P
Xirana Oximoxi: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: ok, off you go :)
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye..have a nice day!!!!
Alfred Kelberry: you too :)
Xirana Oximoxi: ty:)
Wol Euler: bye xir, thanks for coming by
Xirana Oximoxi: yvw:)
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs woly* :)
Wol Euler hugs the Box
Alfred Kelberry: soft edges :)
Alfred Kelberry: is it warm over there?
Wol Euler: in germany? not really, +4 or so
Alfred Kelberry: warm :)
Wol Euler: which I suppose is warm for winter,y es
Alfred Kelberry: -10 isn't
Alfred Kelberry: lovely
Alfred Kelberry: http://www.portacatalunya.es/blog/wp...ck-Plateau.jpg
Wol Euler: pretty!
Wol Euler: the point for me is that I couldn't really care less where we hold the retreat :)
Wol Euler: as long as it gets held
Alfred Kelberry: lucky you :)
Wol Euler: lucky if there is one
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Wol Euler: this make me want to go back to bed :(
Alfred Kelberry: good plan :)
Wol Euler: won't work, alas, I have to go to the office
Alfred Kelberry: office is nice too
Wol Euler: eh
Alfred Kelberry: meet people, architect something
Alfred Kelberry: draw doodles in a meeting room
Wol Euler: eh
Alfred Kelberry: *tickles you* :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: seen larry crowne?
Wol Euler: who or what is that?

--BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: a movie
Wol Euler: ah, no
Alfred Kelberry: a good one. hanks and roberts.
Wol Euler: hmmm
Wol Euler: brb
Wol Euler: I have to go :(
Wol Euler: take care, boxy. enjoy the day
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: you be good, woly :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Alfred Kelberry: show them the sexy :)