The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray.

Storm Nordwind: Hello Bruce. :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Storm!
Storm Nordwind: I see Boxy is just riding the rail
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, he's ridden it a few times around since I've been here.
Bruce Mowbray: very popular attraction!
Storm Nordwind: I hope that's the case :)
Bruce Mowbray: indeed!
Bruce Mowbray: and it seems to get better all the time.
Bruce Mowbray: (It pays to advertise! -- thanks to Zen.)
Storm Nordwind: I think I've stopped developing it. It probably has enough to it now. Unless someone requests a branch line I guess!
Bruce Mowbray: Can't wait to see your offering(s) in Bleu's next Art of Being project:  Art of Being in Motion.
Storm Nordwind: That should be fun indeed. So many possibilities.
Storm Nordwind: So many different ways of interpreting it
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Bleu and I had a good chat (voice) at the Five Bells yesterday.
Bruce Mowbray: That was the first actual conversation I've had in voice since I've been in SL.
Storm Nordwind: wow
Bruce Mowbray: yep -- brand new satellite connection makes it possible now.
Storm Nordwind: Two years, and then bam!
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that's how isolated my RL situation is -- way out in the country -- too far from towns to have cable or DSL.
Storm Nordwind: How does it change the way you see people?
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: Well, there's something more intimate about it -- and it's interesting to hear how the "real" typists sound.
Storm Nordwind nods
Bruce Mowbray: although I met Pema, Wol, Eos, and Eliza -- in Halifax, of course.
 Storm Nordwind: Yes of course
 Bruce Mowbray: There's Boxy again.
Bruce Mowbray: looking mighty like a robot Boxy is.
Storm Nordwind: I find if I'm typing, I get left behind.
Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear. . . I zoomed in on Boxy and now I'm riding on the train -- or at least my camera is!
Storm Nordwind: Argh!
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
Bruce Mowbray: we're leaving the art museum now.
Bruce Mowbray: going to ESC my way back here...
Bruce Mowbray: There.  Here!
Storm Nordwind: I type so slowly, often the conversation has moved on before my message comes out, especially if there's a whole bunch of people here
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I have also experienced that.
Bruce Mowbray: and that means the folks who can do voice can completely "run away" with a conversation.
Storm Nordwind: On the other hand, people say that the loudest person dominates voice. But in text it can be the fastest typer does the same
Bruce Mowbray: yes, or the one with the fastest Internet connection.
Bruce Mowbray: as with the stock market.
Storm Nordwind: ah yes
Bruce Mowbray: with my old satellite, I sometimes counted the number of seconds it would take to get posted in the chat box after I'd hit ENTER.
Bruce Mowbray: I think one time it took 30 seconds.
Storm Nordwind: ouch
Bruce Mowbray: and sometimes it would be out of sequence from the way I'd entered two lines.
Bruce Mowbray: a mess!
Bruce Mowbray: I've got a question for you.
Storm Nordwind: Glad it is so much better for you now!
Storm Nordwind: k
Bruce Mowbray: MUCH faster and better, thanks.
Bruce Mowbray: My question:
Bruce Mowbray: Eliza has suggested that the WG discuss having topics for each session here... or at least for some/most of them.
Bruce Mowbray: How would you feel about my advocating that in the WG this week?
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Zen.
Zen Arado: Hi Strom, Bruce

--BELL--

Storm Nordwind: PaB is organic. Things get tried. Some "take" for a while, Some keep. Some evaporate. I'm not sure I'd want a straitjacket on my session, but that's a personal view. Others may relish it.
Bruce Mowbray: I feel pretty much the same way, Storm. Sometimes I really feel a 'need' to have a discussion about something in particular...
Bruce Mowbray: but that doesn't mean others will feel the same.,
Bruce Mowbray: so quite fluid...
Zen Arado: sometimes I have a topic but it doesn't seem appropriate for the group
Zen Arado: so I don't push it
Bruce Mowbray: yeah. . . that's how I feel too, Zen.
Bruce Mowbray: Usually, between the fountain and the Original Face group on Mondays, I get my needs met, though.
Storm Nordwind: For me the best topics have just "emerged." The price for that is sessions when nothing particular emerges!
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: yes...spontaneity is great
Zen Arado: when it happens
Zen Arado: sometimes I get into 'heavy' topics
Zen Arado: and wish I hadn't :)
Bruce Mowbray: Heavy topics appeal to me, Zen. . . . I call them "red meat."
Storm Nordwind: You find out by doing.
Bruce Mowbray: sure.
Storm Nordwind: Without doing, you would never know.
Zen Arado: yeh
Zen Arado: Hi Raffi :)
Storm Nordwind: He who never made a mistake, never made a discovery.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Raffi!
Storm Nordwind: Hi Raffi :)
Raffila Millgrove: hi everyone.
Bruce Mowbray: We've been discussing whether we like there to be arranged topics for these sessions, Raffi.
Zen Arado: I did philosophy for so long and got used to no holds barred arguments in academic forums
Bruce Mowbray: I know that you prefer that sometimes...
Bruce Mowbray: and also like the discussions to take it s-l-o-w...
Zen Arado: but I have to remember that that can offend people not used to that
Bruce Mowbray: some folks are offended by almost anything, Zen. . . I've noticed that in art preferences, as well.
Zen Arado: yeh
Bruce Mowbray: How you doing today, Raffi?
Zen Arado: in philosophy it is just arguments good or bad and nothing personal
Bruce Mowbray: I'll give you an example of what I mean ---
Bruce Mowbray: I absolutely love the work of William Adolfe Bouguereau....
Bruce Mowbray: French, 19th Century realist.
Bruce Mowbray: anyway,
Bruce Mowbray: when I showed some of his work here...
Bruce Mowbray: one person said she thought it was porn.
Bruce Mowbray: (Then she sent me a calendar featuring his paintings for Christmas -- in RL!)  and we had a good laugh about it.
Bruce Mowbray: ha ha
Zen Arado: did he paint the lady on a swing?
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Bruce Mowbray: I don't recall that one.
Bruce Mowbray: He did a lot of angels, and nudes, and Greek gods and goddesses....
Bruce Mowbray: a lot of commissioned stuff -- perhaps for taverns . . . ?  brothels?
Bruce Mowbray: anyway,
Raffila Millgrove: the lady on the swing... that is in the Frick in NY.. the name is escaping.
Zen Arado: ah no that was Fragonard
Bruce Mowbray: B's the only artist to have won the French Academy prize TWICE.
Raffila Millgrove: right!
Raffila Millgrove: Fragonard.
Bruce Mowbray: OH! I LOVE that gallery!
Zen Arado: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swing_%28painting%29
Zen Arado: some find that offensive
Zen Arado: that's why it came to mind
Raffila Millgrove: i dunno how Anyone could find that offensive? that's all fluffy
Bruce Mowbray: Yeah.. It is also a bit similar to Bouguereau's style...
Bruce Mowbray: a bit.
Storm Nordwind: My father's favorite artist (for prints around the house) was Russell Flint. But many people thought that was porn too.
Bruce Mowbray: Bouguereau is not anywhere near that fluffy.
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
Zen Arado: they should see Courbet's 'Origin of Life ' :)
Zen Arado: don't look :)
Storm Nordwind: Too late
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Zen Arado: lol
Raffila Millgrove: oh it's not in the Frick. well the Frick has a lot of Fragonard.

--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: Well, I don't think Bouguereau did anything quite like that!
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Bouguereau&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=d5x&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7KOAT8jVB6PmiALX_bAn&ved=0CHAQsAQ&biw=870&bih=892
Zen Arado: 'Origin of the World' it is
Zen Arado: but they could be seen as sensual for their time
Zen Arado: in a buttoned up world
Zen Arado: a glimpse of an ankle was it
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I think Bouguereau had a similar effect on folks. . . Anyway, he sure painted a lot of nude angels...  and gods/goddesses
Zen Arado: a woman complained at one of our RL art club exhibitions because someone painted a woman with naked breasts
Bruce Mowbray: OH dear!!!
Bruce Mowbray: http://triviumproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Adolphe-WilliamBouguereauNymphsandaSatyr1873.jpg
Zen Arado: 'disgraceful' she said...corrupting her young daughter
Bruce Mowbray: Actually, if an artist has outstanding techniques, I really don't care what the subject matter is. . .
Bruce Mowbray: I feel the same way about abstract art....
Bruce Mowbray: I can study an artist's technique (I love taking close-up photos) of any truly good artist's work.
Bruce Mowbray: from Jackson Pollock to Monet....
Zen Arado: oh...too close :)
Bruce Mowbray: yes, only a couple of inches away.
Zen Arado: mine are better from a distance :)
Zen Arado: meant to be viewed from a distance
Bruce Mowbray: Yours are beautiful whether close-up or at a distance, Zen. I really wish I could see them in RL.
Bruce Mowbray: Are any of your works on exhibit in American galleries?
Zen Arado: perhaps they are better in SL
Zen Arado: I can take a photo on a nice bright day
Bruce Mowbray notes that Boxy finally stopped riding the train.
Zen Arado: in RL it can be dull
Bruce Mowbray notes again -- maybe not.
Bruce Mowbray: Are you still painting and doing pastels, Zen?
Zen Arado: can get more vibrant colour with pastel
Zen Arado: yes
Bruce Mowbray: good!
Zen Arado: not so much as I used to
Zen Arado: I added 4 new abstracts at Gualdo yesterday
Bruce Mowbray: Oh great!
Zen Arado: most prefer realistic
Zen Arado: seems to me 
Storm Nordwind: We get a great picture for a second time instead :)
Zen Arado: the camera released artists from the realism of Bouguereau and artists of that era
Zen Arado: supposedly..
Bruce Mowbray: yes.... photography brought in a whole new world....
Bruce Mowbray: OK.
Bruce Mowbray: Is this your gallery, Zen? ---  Zen Arado Art Gallery, Buyeo (240, 28, 30)
Zen Arado: yeh but they are at Gualdo Gallery
Bruce Mowbray: Art Center Gualdo , Gualdo (99, 5, 72)
Bruce Mowbray: kk.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks!
Zen Arado: a woman lets me exhibit there permanently
Zen Arado: there are other artists there

--BELL--

Zen Arado: sorry for commercial, Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray: Not at all! I am delighted to tell others about your work.
Zen Arado: that guy sure could paint skin
Bruce Mowbray: You mean Bouguereau?
Zen Arado: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Have you seen any of his paintings in RL?
Zen Arado: had models I guess
Zen Arado: no
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I would go anywhere in US or Canada to see any of his paintings.
Bruce Mowbray: We have two at the museum in Cincinnati, one in Dayton, and one in Chicago...
Zen Arado: I need to go to London
Bruce Mowbray: but NONE at either The Met (New York) or at MOMA.
Bruce Mowbray: yeah...
Bruce Mowbray: I need to go BACK to London and Paris...
Bruce Mowbray: Paris is where most of B's work is.
Zen Arado: yes
Storm Nordwind: The last major exhibition i went to was that wonderful one of Monet 20 years ago in London. Never to be repeated i expect.
Bruce Mowbray: There is Monet exhibit in Cincinnati right now, Storm...
Zen Arado: I saw some Monet's couple of years ago in National Gallery London
Storm Nordwind: Ah bit that one gathered all the haystacks together from all over the world, and all the Rouen cathedrals... never done before
Zen Arado: and a Picasso exhibition
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org/explore/exhibitions/upcoming-exhibitions/1-the-exhibitions/66-monet-in-giverny-landscapes-of-reflection
Zen Arado: love Monet's work
Storm Nordwind: yes they had a bunch of Giverny there too. Nice
Raffila Millgrove: he's probably one of the most appreciated painters.. everywhere.. cause people understand it.. even if they aren't much into art.
Zen Arado: yes Raffi
Zen Arado: not too way out
Raffila Millgrove: course it was not the case when he first started out with it.. but it's become very easy now for people to love him.
Storm Nordwind: yes still a pioneer at the time
Zen Arado: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, folks "understand" it ---- and also, I think it 'touches' them emotionally. . . quite accessible, emotionally.
Zen Arado: what do you think of digital art?
Raffila Millgrove: it is. very accessible. he was a great guy for food too. i have amazing cookbook from his time living in that house in Giverny. what he served at his famous lunches.
Bruce Mowbray: Some digital art I like very much...
Bruce Mowbray: Some work done with Poser . . . or Maya. . . Beautiful.
Zen Arado: painting programs?
Raffila Millgrove: i like it a lot. we have a gallery here in L.A. that has a lot of contests and really promotes digital artist and believe me. they have terrible road to travel.. because museums are very.. uncool .. they feel that the work is appropriated.. not original.
Zen Arado: must look them up and try
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.google.com/search?q=Poser+digital+art&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=gTy&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=v6mAT9fkKaThiALBppiJAw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CCQQ_AUoAQ&biw=870&bih=892
Storm Nordwind: My wife does some digital art too, but has preferred manual. Though I got her Art Rage today for her birthday, so we'll see. (And she likes it a lot!)
Raffila Millgrove: in the music world. they finally have to accept that artists can use other artists' work.. to build something new. going a lot slower in the art world.
Zen Arado: wow very realistic
Zen Arado: I was thinking more of abstracts
Bruce Mowbray: Amazingly realistic..
Bruce Mowbray: and versatile.
Bruce Mowbray: I also like Vue d'Esprit.
Bruce Mowbray: another 3d digital art program (like Poser and Maya)
Storm Nordwind: Gentlefolk - I must attend to the artistry I must cook up for dinner tonight! ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: OK, Storm
Zen Arado: copy a Monet menu :)
Raffila Millgrove: good cooking Storm. laters.
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for being here today.
Storm Nordwind: Thank you for your hospitality
Zen Arado: bye Storm
Raffila Millgrove: bye Zen, Bruce.
Storm Nordwind waves
Bruce Mowbray: I should probably be fetching din din myself.
Zen Arado: byee
Bruce Mowbray: May all be safe and have a good holiday.