2012.04.11 13:00 - A small female person

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Archmage Atlantis: I have forgotten much....the journey has been long....I feel encased in amber
Alfred Kelberry: good to see you, archy
Alfred Kelberry: where did you travel?
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: To the heart of the creator, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: afterlife?
Archmage Atlantis: All life and nonlife exists together
Fefonz Quan: Hi guys :)
Archmage Atlantis: Salvation is for all, living and non living
Alfred Kelberry: from what i know, no one managed to get back from afterlife yet
Alfred Kelberry: alive that is
Fefonz Quan: not much use of it for the non-living though
Alfred Kelberry: fef! :)
Archmage Atlantis: :)....vtrue, getting back is not what others deffine or see as living
Alfred Kelberry: how's your family, fef?
Fefonz Quan: good Alf. I see you swtch from box to robobox :)
Fefonz Quan: swutched*
Fefonz Quan: i*
Alfred Kelberry: yes, indeed. what do you think of this av?
Fefonz Quan: interestin, though I see it hovers in th air, knees unconnected to feet
Alfred Kelberry: not for me here
Alfred Kelberry: all connected :)
Alfred Kelberry: i assume it's almost summer at your place now, fef?
Archmage Atlantis: sometimes, Alfred, the connections cannot be seen by current tech
Fefonz Quan: well, we call it spring, javing 25-30 degC
Alfred Kelberry: very true, archy
Archmage Atlantis: Both electro and bio
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: nice spring :)
Fefonz Quan: and your place? no snow at last?
Alfred Kelberry: at last, indeed
Archmage Atlantis: How is your small female person, Fef?
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: neat - small female person :)
Fefonz Quan: sounds like an av when phrased like that Arch :)
Alfred Kelberry: that's how i'm going to call toddler girls from now on
Archmage Atlantis: At your own peril, Boxy boy
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: yea, young parents may not appreciate
Fefonz Quan: young parents may not appreciate what?
Alfred Kelberry: um, the phrase :)
Alfred Kelberry: being overly protective
Fefonz Quan: ah, it sounds very cute to me :)
Alfred Kelberry: which is of course understandable
Alfred Kelberry: yes, i find it cute too :)
Archmage Atlantis: Someday she may fight in the Hunger Games
Alfred Kelberry: don't know this game
Fefonz Quan: hope not, so that one 3 days ago
Fefonz Quan: saw*
Fefonz Quan: Alfi, the block buster of the year so far went under your radar...
Alfred Kelberry: is it weird that when i read "saw" i think of a saw? :)
Alfred Kelberry: fef, ok :)
Fefonz Quan: yes it is. I thought that too Alf.
Fefonz Quan: ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: like, "i saw this guy yesterday. there were a lot of blood" :)
Alfred Kelberry: ms raffi :)
Alfred Kelberry: in lovely ankle boots
Fefonz Quan: hello Raffila
Raffila Millgrove: hello boxy, Arch, Fefonz
Archmage Atlantis: nod
Fefonz Quan: and in other verbs - seesaw
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Raffila Millgrove: i realize Arch that i too have that fish. he's in my indoor pond at home right now. lol
Alfred Kelberry: dangerous
Raffila Millgrove gives Hikari a tiny bit of fish food of his favorite kind.
Alfred Kelberry: fef, another weird thing. when i see you, i think of math :)
Archmage Atlantis: If you do, the he was created by Moon Fargis
Alfred Kelberry: courtesy to your wife, i imagine :)
Raffila Millgrove: really! how neat to know that. i had mines so long.. that i don't know.. where i found him.
Fefonz Quan: well, If you were a girl i would be offended :)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Archmage Atlantis: I scooped him up from Hikari
Raffila Millgrove: says that Meissa is the creator.
Fefonz Quan: well, Arch and Raff, now you just need to make sure they becoem fish-friends
Alfred Kelberry: moon is a master of sudden landscaping
Raffila Millgrove: mine is also made by Meissa Thorne. same one exactly. rare fish 75
Raffila Millgrove: they are fish clones. same exact
Fefonz Quan: maybe by the genes, but they were educated in different environments :)
Raffila Millgrove: oh great point Fefonz. excellent right out of twin studies handbook.
Fefonz Quan: well I had tis book, but my twin stole it
Raffila Millgrove: lol
Raffila Millgrove: what they learned is how much identical twins brought up completely different location/family.. were still alike in some really odd ways.
Raffila Millgrove: they do things.. like marry women with same first name. the list of "alike" qualities.. traits.. experiences.. just very odd.
Fefonz Quan: yes, so long for free will
Archmage Atlantis: Fef, u still have not answered my question about how your daughter is doing.....or perhaps my ears do not hear.
Raffila Millgrove: lot of them had same hobby or same food preferences. that was to be expected maybe.. but some of the similiarities were creepy.
Alfred Kelberry: imagine they marry the same woman. that will be interesting.
Fefonz Quan: she is doing fine, getting used to a new konder grden
Raffila Millgrove: well they did. tend to marry women.. who were strangely alike.
Raffila Millgrove: even down to first names.
Archmage Atlantis: Garden of the Children
Archmage Atlantis: So it shall be
Alfred Kelberry: i was more like same person :)
Raffila Millgrove: kindergarden is so fun.
Fefonz Quan: well, not in the first weeks...
Raffila Millgrove: yes you are more like the same person. i have often noticed boxy that you are quite like yourself one day to next. very odd.
Raffila Millgrove: oh? all my kids so excited to go.. they all loved it.
Raffila Millgrove: except for the last one.. who was really mad when they told her that they wouldn't learn to read. all the rest learned in kindergarden and she was at a different school where they didn't bother with that.
Fefonz Quan: guess after time, in the beginning the goodbye is very tearful
Alfred Kelberry: woly bun :)
--BELL--
Wol Euler: hello fefl, alf, arch, raffi
Alfred Kelberry: fefl
Alfred Kelberry: i like it
Fefonz Quan: (we talkk about different ages perhaps)
Raffila Millgrove: well.. each parent has to.. be the parent they think is best. The tearful goodbye thing.. well it's controlled by the parent. if you want different.. experience.. you could effect that.
Fefonz Quan: how?
Raffila Millgrove: (bell)
Alfred Kelberry: rebell
Fefonz Quan: how?
Alfred Kelberry: i think raffi is typing away
Fefonz Quan: and Hi Wol!
Wol Euler smiles.
Archmage Atlantis: My parentt, controlled my response
Raffila Millgrove: well you set the tone ahead of time.. by taking the kid over to see the place.. talking about .. mm.. i wonder what the teacher will be like. will she be old, young, pretty? i wonder if they will sing songs. you kind of set stage for weeks.. thinking together about going..... and you present the whole idea. as a big step in getting older.. and so exciting.. and cannot wait to hear what you'll tell me about first day. yatta yatta. Bascially you are telling them ahead of time.. what is the way to act on it... to be.. eager to get there and see what will happen. Like going to movie they want to see.. or getting a new game. You are your own tv commercial for it. prep is key.
Wol Euler nods.
Archmage Atlantis: She and he left pen the door for me to find my own response
Fefonz Quan: we are talikng 16 months here
Raffila Millgrove: ah. so sorry.
Raffila Millgrove: forget it. that is good for age 4-5.
Raffila Millgrove: forget anything related.. 16 mos is completely different. we call that daycare here...
Fefonz Quan: but I'll keep it in mind for the time eing
Raffila Millgrove: yeah make a note for future. 16 mos is very fragile time...
Fefonz Quan: being*
Raffila Millgrove: that's just going to be distressing for everyone in it.
Raffila Millgrove: and you're right. in time.. the baby adjusts ok.
Archmage Atlantis: Youse guys are maiking me lean in a different political direction
Raffila Millgrove: helps if they can bring a blanket or stuff toy that they like. and to keep the time quick and brief of dropping off.. to smile and wave and say.. see you soon my baby. mommie comes back soon. and keep the time you are saying goodbye really short.
Alfred Kelberry: what do you think of this italian parenting approach. i always forget his name... mar-something
Archmage Atlantis: ProLife vs ProChoice
Archmage Atlantis: The defining arguement abouth human life in this epoch
Wol Euler is pro people minding their own damned business :)
Fefonz Quan: and what does it say Arch?
Raffila Millgrove: whoever drops them off... they have to be smiling and happy .. and act very confident and matter of fact.
Raffila Millgrove: not tenative or sad or worried or whatever. just get in and out fast and be smiling and use confident tone of voice. not tenative or soft. just clear and calm.
Wol Euler nods.
Fefonz Quan: yes Raff, I agree making it short help. anyway after a minute they relax
Fefonz Quan: s*
Archmage Atlantis: Agree with Wol in the daily living of my life
Raffila Millgrove: they get cue from you. that's hwy you have to smile and be .. strong and firm.. but sweet too.. with the hug and kiss and see you soon.
Archmage Atlantis: No one else''s busines
Archmage Atlantis: But also agree that things must be openly discussed
Raffila Millgrove: brisk is a good word. to use.. caring but brisk and matter of fact.
Archmage Atlantis: Though it is dangerous
Fefonz Quan: Imlost the thread of the pro-life...
Fefonz Quan: I lost*
Alfred Kelberry: i'm just lost
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Archmage Atlantis: When I read your comment, Fef, my thought is that we are all lost
Fefonz Quan: found you Alf
Alfred Kelberry: ah, thanks :)
Raffila Millgrove: no worries boxy.. when you take your child to day care you will be all set. also remember you are same boxy every day. that will help you. hehehe
Wol Euler smiles.
Fefonz Quan: Appears like boxy does not show at the box-offices lately
Alfred Kelberry: huh?
Archmage Atlantis: This will sound cheesy
Archmage Atlantis: If we love one another
Raffila Millgrove: altho boxy as a robot is not as cute as boxy as a dog.
Archmage Atlantis: we will find a way
Alfred Kelberry: that was the cutest robot from the selection :)
Raffila Millgrove: as robots go.. it is attractive, just not cute.
Archmage Atlantis: Namaste and Blessingis my compadres
Raffila Millgrove: Bye Arch.
Fefonz Quan: bye Arch
Alfred Kelberry: be good, archy
Wol Euler: bye arch, take care
Raffila Millgrove: /pets Koya the cat as they leave and tosses fish another crumb.
Wol Euler smiles.
Raffila Millgrove: i love his pets travelling with him like that. they are so cute.
Alfred Kelberry: woly? tell us a neat architecture story? :)
Raffila Millgrove: oh yes. do that please!
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: no neat stories today, sorry, I spent today checking invoices and approving a change notice
Wol Euler: i.e. money
Wol Euler: well perhaps one neat story, about scale
Wol Euler: relative sizes
Alfred Kelberry: what kind of invoices?
Wol Euler: contractors.
Alfred Kelberry: how many do you have?
Wol Euler: dozens
--BELL--
Raffila Millgrove: you you never hear any really happy money stories do you? something about money is not cheerful.
Alfred Kelberry: how do you pick them?
Alfred Kelberry: oh, money is all about cheer
Raffila Millgrove: not for me. i have terrible issues over money. i fear it. I think i must have believed that root of all evil is money.. when in fact is was love of money.. not the actual money.
Wol Euler: absolutely, raffi
Raffila Millgrove: omg i talked during bell. i will be goign ot hell again. wow.
Wol Euler: money itself is almost totally neutral
Wol Euler: picking contractors: by tender, we are obliged to choose the lowest bidder
Wol Euler: unless they are ruled out on other grounds
Raffila Millgrove: most things are neutral.. usually. its' what happens after we interact with "things" OR IDEAs or whatever... that ends up evil/good etc.
Wol Euler nods to Raffi
Alfred Kelberry: woly, i suppose kickbacks is a non issue in a civil german construction market?
Wol Euler: officially yes
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: and I have never seen or heard of that personally
Wol Euler: but it does *of course* exist
Raffila Millgrove: wow. she said officially. what is non official then...
Wol Euler: given that even German contractors are human
Alfred Kelberry: *notes woly didn't say "never have done"* :)
Fefonz Quan: (I'll have to leave in the middle of the story... take care all)
Raffila Millgrove: Wol.. in Germany, do they still count closets as a "room" for tax purposes?
Wol Euler: if you can stand on it, it counts
Wol Euler: so yes
Raffila Millgrove: when i lived there, eveyone had armoires becuase a closet was a room. it was so idiotic. oh still now? wow.
Alfred Kelberry: fef :) good math to you
Wol Euler: well, wait, we don't actually count rooms as such
Raffila Millgrove: that is just so .. pathetic.
Wol Euler: square metres
Wol Euler: bye fef, take care
Raffila Millgrove: ah ha... so it did change then maybe.
Wol Euler: hugs to the family :)
Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
Wol Euler: hello korel
Raffila Millgrove: if you are now to square meters.
Raffila Millgrove: cool.
Alfred Kelberry: kori :)
Raffila Millgrove: HI korel.
Korel Laloix: Heya
Alfred Kelberry: a bright, kind, cheerful girl :)
Wol Euler: I'm pretty sure this is not new, raffi, my belief is that it's been based on metres not rooms since at least WW2
Korel Laloix: Not feeling to kind today.
Wol Euler: awwww
Alfred Kelberry: *hugs kori*
Wol Euler: what's up?
Korel Laloix: work
Raffila Millgrove: where i lived.. it really was rooms... maybe that was a local thing. everyone had armoire to store stuff. hugeones.
Alfred Kelberry: linger here for a bit, you will :)
Korel Laloix: Rich idiots...
Wol Euler nods to korel.
Raffila Millgrove: my landlord was talking about it all the time.. they had just built the house.. she wanted a closet like they have in US but her husband said no on it.
Raffila Millgrove: ah Korel. we were just talking money--how boxy thinks it's cheerful and i think we don't hear much cheery news about it.
Korel Laloix: I did think it odd when I was there that there were no closets.
Korel Laloix: Money is cheerful?
Wol Euler: habits of building :) almost all European buildings are masonry, closets in masonry are just too much hard work
Wol Euler: very much easier in wooden frame housing
Raffila Millgrove: well boxy is bascially a cheerful sort? perhaps it's his general attitude towards money ....
Wol Euler: hello san
Santoshima Resident: hello wol, and everyone
Raffila Millgrove doesn't want to be putting words in the robot's mouth.
Raffila Millgrove: hello San
Wol Euler: heh, a one-finger typist :))))
Santoshima Resident: yup
Wol Euler grins.
Korel Laloix: OMney gives you options, and what you do with those options can make you happy or sad.
Wol Euler: agreed
Raffila Millgrove: agrees too. sort of. lol
Korel Laloix smiles
Alfred Kelberry: *disagrees for balance*
Raffila Millgrove: ty boxy.
Korel Laloix: What is your change then?
Wol Euler: it's better to have more options, generally speaking. If you have lots of money, you could decide to burn it
Wol Euler: if you have none, you can't so easily decide to un-burn some
Korel Laloix: \True
Korel Laloix: But there are ways around that....
Korel Laloix: Sometimes
Raffila Millgrove: what about when you have lots of money. and you have a child with an incurable disability.. that no money can fix. i knew someone like this--very rich hollywood celebrity.. whose money.. and disabled children.. it made him a target for doctors.. who wanted them to fund their research. and he felt so helpless that he couldn't fix this with money. that money.. it made him suffer much more than average person would have.
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: expectation again, the Buddha was right:)
Alfred Kelberry: steve jobs...
--BELL--
Alfred Kelberry: sorry, gotta scoot
Raffila Millgrove: the drs played on his sorrow on the "no cure" and held out very unreliable promises and hope that if he would give them huge amounts of money--they would find cure for his children. it was sickening to watch this unfold. watch him and his wife suffering in it.. just because they had lots of money.
Alfred Kelberry: you be good fine attractive women
Korel Laloix: If you place money as your only hope, you will never be happy regardless.
Alfred Kelberry: let money bring you cheer, not sadness
Wol Euler: easily said
Santoshima Resident: only hope for what, boxy?
Wol Euler: like "all people should live together in pace and harmony"
Raffila Millgrove: oopsie. my time is up also. please give me lots of money to make me cheerful before i leave.
Raffila Millgrove: haha.
Raffila Millgrove waits for the linden to pour in.
Santoshima Resident: :)
Santoshima Resident: kaching
Raffila Millgrove: bye ladies. have a great day!
Wol Euler: bye raffi, take care
Santoshima Resident: bye raffi
Raffila Millgrove: haha korel.. wait til tomorrow. it will be doubled for you.
Korel Laloix: Enjoy.. that can go along way in SL...
Raffila Millgrove: ty
Wol Euler: actually I should move on too, it#s been a long day
Wol Euler: goodnight, take care
Santoshima Resident: so long wol
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Santoshima Resident: waves, bye!
Korel Laloix: Going to go find a beach...