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2012.04.09 19:00 - Sim goes down, log in two parts
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No headersThe Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.
Raffila Millgrove and Storm Nordwind joined me followed by Samúð (oo0oo), Pema Pera and Eliza.madriga once we moved to the Kira Cafe after the Sim was rebooted at Storm's suggestion
Raffila Millgrove: Hi Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: greetings Raffi
stevenaia Michinaga: Pema will not be able to make it to this session tonight
Raffila Millgrove: did you go to the digital art discussion at Kira Japan. I only just saw it in my notifications. i wish it'd come to my email .. i would have liked to have gone (some notes come and others don't)
stevenaia Michinaga: no, when was it?
Raffila Millgrove: well i should.. re-read it. maybe it's tomorrow.
Raffila Millgrove: i suddenly think it said Tues not Monday.
stevenaia Michinaga: I try to keep much of the notifications out of email
stevenaia Michinaga: hmm
stevenaia Michinaga: not sure of the Kira Japan schedule, but it is a stop on the tram, maybe there is a schedule there near the art dome
Raffila Millgrove: well i got anotification. so .. must be some group i am in that sent it. lol
Raffila Millgrove: i will check on it later.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: there may also be a schedule at teh Kira Cafe
Raffila Millgrove: Since i have you here for a few minute. i would like to ask you. I read that you were going to be the mentor to new guardian.. (sometime back).. is this still something you do?
Raffila Millgrove: greets STorm.
Storm Nordwind: Hello friends
Storm Nordwind: We seem to have a sim problem
stevenaia Michinaga: it;s even funnier than that, I am the mentor coordinator, but as of yet I am the only one, so by default, yes, I am in that position
stevenaia Michinaga: sim problem, how so, Hi Storm?
Storm Nordwind: Running slow. Time dilation down to 0.3
stevenaia Michinaga: is that bad?
Storm Nordwind: Don't know why. Started 3 minutes ago
Storm Nordwind: very bad
stevenaia Michinaga: sounds like a temporal disturbance
Storm Nordwind: We may get a reboot.
Raffila Millgrove: ah.
Raffila Millgrove: well i guess we are prepared. then. for sudden departs etc.
Storm Nordwind nods
stevenaia Michinaga: back to your questions, Raffi, yes I would be happy to assist you in anyway
Raffila Millgrove: what is the new guardian supposed to be learning, Steve?
stevenaia Michinaga: the hope is at some point you will feel comfortable taking on a weekly session, the things to" learn" relate to the tasks associated with being a Guardian at a session, welcoming newcommers, posting the logs,. There are instruction in the wikki, but I am happy to assit
stevenaia Michinaga: also if you ahve any questions, if I can't answer them I will figure out who can
Raffila Millgrove: ok ty Steve. i willl check in the wiki for those instructions and ask you if something is not clear. Thank you again.
--BELL--
Storm Nordwind has raised a support ticket and requested a sim reboot
stevenaia Michinaga: where do these Time dilation appear?
stevenaia Michinaga: I feel no lag
Storm Nordwind: Ctrl-shift-1
Storm Nordwind: Try walking
Raffila Millgrove: i am seing the same time dliation you mention .. between .3 and .4
Raffila Millgrove: but i am also getting 80 frame per sex
stevenaia Michinaga: wow, that was spooking
Raffila Millgrove: second
Raffila Millgrove: haha
stevenaia Michinaga: spookie
Raffila Millgrove: should we leave Storm?
Storm Nordwind: Nah!
Raffila Millgrove: ok i will ask another question then. since i have lots.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Storm Nordwind: uh-oh!
stevenaia Michinaga: what is it supposed to be?
stevenaia Michinaga: (Time Dilation)
Storm Nordwind: Hooray!
Storm Nordwind: We leave anyway
Raffila Millgrove: ok. i think i will run home which is very nearby.. and we can come back in 15 minutes you think?
stevenaia Michinaga: wow, you do know hoe to get their attention
Storm Nordwind: Let's go to the Cafe
Storm Nordwind: Sure
stevenaia Michinaga: ok
Raffila Millgrove: oh we could goto cafe?
Raffila Millgrove: that we could do instead?
Part 2 coming shortly....... live from the Kira Cafe
PaB Listener Master: Recording has stopped, the session is ended.
stevenaia Michinaga: what a difference
Raffila Millgrove: ah nice. this is one of my favorite tea sets.
Raffila Millgrove pours a cup of tea for steve and storm and pours one for herself.
Storm Nordwind: Indeed. It's a shame Kitty is not building now
Storm Nordwind: Thank you!
Tea ~ Earl Grey whispers: Aahhh, nothing beats a good cuppa
stevenaia Michinaga: I'll just append the log from here
Storm Nordwind: OK!
Storm Nordwind: Thank you so much
Raffila Millgrove breathes a sigh of pleasure as she tastes that slight bergamot flavor in the Early Grey.
Tea ~ Earl Grey whispers: Aahhh, nothing beats a good cuppa
Storm Nordwind: So questions?
Raffila Millgrove: you know.. that's what makes Earl Grey ... a bit of bergamot in it. you probably already know that.
Storm Nordwind: I did :)
Storm Nordwind: Bergamot soap is nice too
stevenaia Michinaga: one of my favorite teas
Raffila Millgrove: Steve.. do you live in US? i am sorry not to remember.
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, east coast
Raffila Millgrove: oh ok. sorry.
stevenaia Michinaga: n.p.
Raffila Millgrove: and i know Storm was from the UK.. but he lives here now too... correct? in US now?
Storm Nordwind: I immigrated to Colorado nearly 3 years ago
Storm Nordwind: I was in the UK - for many many years
Storm Nordwind: Apart from working abroad now and again
stevenaia Michinaga: are you retired, Storm?
Storm Nordwind: Well it seems that's happened without planning. Semi I guess. But not had a regular career job for 3 years
Raffila Millgrove: I think you both went to the rl retreats (well i know Storm for sure.. but i think you went once too right? stever) but you didn't go to same one.. right?
Storm Nordwind: I went to the first one near Santa Cruz, CA
Raffila Millgrove: you came to US Storm.. to be with your new wife? am i straight with that?
Storm Nordwind: You are correct Raffi. We married the day after I arrived :)
Raffila Millgrove: yeah that is so romantic. how did you meet?
Storm Nordwind: In an SL clothes shop :)
Raffila Millgrove: omg i just love it.... a real SL romance story.
stevenaia Michinaga: Storm and I met in Princeton at a retreat, but may ahve jsut joined everyone for dinner, I've been to a few of the earlier retreats
Raffila Millgrove: I just finish getting thru all the retreat reports.
Storm Nordwind: We still have the an incriminating photo of the two of us, remember Steve? ;)
Raffila Millgrove: it was not easy to navigate thru... it's a little strange how that wiki will operate sometimes.. but the photos.. oh they were so phenomenal and so were many reports too.
stevenaia Michinaga: I think I was at teh first retreat in princeton and one or two others there
Raffila Millgrove: yes i LOVED seeing the photos of the real people.
stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, yes, I treasure that photo, Storm
Raffila Millgrove: i have to go back and look at the one again. that was an early one.
Raffila Millgrove: i try to match up the SL avis with those rl photos.. in my mind.
Raffila Millgrove: Luci is the easist one for me.
Storm Nordwind: The Kira Board sometimes meets in RL at Princeton. I think I met Steve during one of those
Storm Nordwind: Luci has done a superb job of making her avatar look like her.Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) waves Storm Nordwind: I gave up very quickly!
Storm Nordwind: Hi Sam :)stevenaia Michinaga: hi sam, welcomeSam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hieveryone. Seems an odd timed sim down? Storm Nordwind: I requested it
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): oh?
Raffila Millgrove: hi Sam. Storm got immediate help to reboot. he said it was a big problem that need immediate fixing.
Storm Nordwind: Time dilation down to 0.3. Sim frame rate below 20fps
Storm Nordwind: Walking in treacle does even come close
Storm Nordwind: *not!
GiNa BrOoNo (gina.broono) is Online
Raffila Millgrove: i dunno why i was fine in it. but i was.
Storm Nordwind remembers Americans don't know what treacle is
Raffila Millgrove: strange. cause i could see that what Storm said.. was true.. when we clicked on the stats for the sim.
Raffila Millgrove: oh i know what it is.
Raffila Millgrove: it's like molasses.
Storm Nordwind nods
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): golden treacle, and dark treacle
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :)
Raffila Millgrove: what's it made of?
Storm Nordwind: In the UK, the golden is just called syrup
Raffila Millgrove: causwe we have light and dark corn syrup
Raffila Millgrove: it's probably a lot like our corn syrup.
Raffila Millgrove: it makes really good pecan pie.
Storm Nordwind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_syrup is the pale stuff
orb Thursday is Online
Raffila Millgrove: I was going to ask you something very similiar STorm. it was what i was typing as we had to leave pavilion.
Storm Nordwind: Possibly. I check OpenSim every year. Apparently voice has been added since I last looked. But then there is problem of starting from scratch with content
Raffila Millgrove: There is a place called Inzworld. it is based on SL code.
Raffila Millgrove: are you familiar with it?
Storm Nordwind: Haven't been to that one
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pema
Raffila Millgrove: well i would love to ask you to check it out.
Pema Pera: hi everybody!
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi Pema :)
Pema Pera: (slow connection; I'm in the bullet train from Kyoto to Tokyo)
stevenaia Michinaga: Storm pulled the plug on the SIm
Raffila Millgrove: this is waht i was going to propose to you... that you look into it. My landlords have purchased land there they are backing thesmelves up for the eventual loss of SL.
Storm Nordwind: Content is the problem. Getting avatar shapes and skins and animations and all the things people are used to.
Storm Nordwind: Hi pema
Raffila Millgrove: they have it there.
Storm Nordwind: Deserves another look then :)
Raffila Millgrove: it's base don SL. it is very like here. not as nice graphically. but many sl creators have fone there.
Raffila Millgrove: please check it out.
Raffila Millgrove: Hello Pema.
Raffila Millgrove: My question was going to be this.
Pema Pera: how about OpenSim?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): looks at image in mind's eye, of Pema looking at image in mind's eye.. with sweeping movement of some kind in the background
Raffila Millgrove: that i have a link.. to a blog.. that was written.. by a person who is coherent and not a naysayer. and i wondered if i could send it to the google group.
Pema Pera: :-)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): love that image somehow
Pema Pera: (snowy mountains in the background, moving towards Mount Fuji)
Storm Nordwind: No reason why not Raffi
stevenaia Michinaga: People share all sorts of interesting things to the group, I see no reason why not
Pema Pera: we should be prepared for the day that SL will fold
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) nods
Pema Pera: so good to have a discussion
Pema Pera: it can happen *any* day really
Raffila Millgrove: ok. cause if we all could read this. it would answer a lot of question about "why" people believe we're goind slowly down. I have been researching this for past two years.. and this is the best explanation i have seen so far.
Raffila Millgrove: If i could write a little letter on it.. short.. with the link.. then it's easier.. for people to read at their leisure and get a grip.
stevenaia Michinaga: "going slowly down? could you clearify that a bit?
Raffila Millgrove: SL is going down... likely... not tomorrow.. but.. it's on the downtrend.
Storm Nordwind: Good. See if you can get a "hook" in there that will entice people to go to the link and persist
Raffila Millgrove: for real.
stevenaia Michinaga: down in what sense
Raffila Millgrove: steve.. if you could read this link.. then i don't have to try to explain in pieces.. it's very coherent.
Raffila Millgrove: ok?
stevenaia Michinaga: ok
Raffila Millgrove: I am not a good explainer.
stevenaia Michinaga: want to put it here too?
stevenaia Michinaga: (the link)
Raffila Millgrove: that's why i want to send it.. let someone else explain. who is coherent.
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eliza
stevenaia Michinaga: ok
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): i have read a few things speculating about SL folding or otherwise.. and there is a lot of heresay for one thing.
stevenaia Michinaga: some , however, do not read the emails from the group,
Raffila Millgrove: oh gosh.
Pema Pera: I'm glad you bring up the topic, Raffi
Pema Pera: (tunnels coming up, *I* may also go down any moment :-)
Raffila Millgrove: well it seemed the best way to communicate.
Raffila Millgrove: because... it's important to be prepared.. not to panic or get excited.. but to have a backup plan.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): My sense is that at this time it is being supported well, but with possible ideas of selling it perhaps, but these things can change overnight easily.
stevenaia Michinaga: I will put this in tonight's log pema
Raffila Millgrove: That is why I asked Storm if he would check out Inzworld please as it's the closest to SL.. we would be instantly comfortable there.
Pema Pera: thanks a lot, Steve!
Pema Pera: in the past, sudden things have happened, like LL firing 1/3 of its staff
Raffila Millgrove: both of my landlords and many SL creators are backing themselves up over there.
Pema Pera: and other virtual worlds have shut down at the blink of an eye
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) ponders "over there" :)))
Pema Pera: so it's an excellent idea to get prepared
Storm Nordwind: Raffi, do you mean Inworldz rather than Inzworld?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) Hi everyone. Glad we have layers of communication
Raffila Millgrove: it's the consensus that one day. you will goto log in here. and not be able to.. in other words.. no notice.. just an end.
stevenaia Michinaga: this place seems to making money hand over fist
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Hi Eliza.. over there :)
Pema Pera: oops, lots of tunnels coming up, I'd better bail out
Storm Nordwind: Want to move to the circle of chairs?
Raffila Millgrove: steve that is not exactly true... and the LL no longer is publising the figures on many bits of data.. the transparency has disappeared.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): am fine this way, thank you Storm
Pema Pera: good seeing you all from a fast-moving train :-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): cozy near the fire
Pema Pera: bfn
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye Pema :)
Storm Nordwind waves
Raffila Millgrove: bye Pema
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Pema
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) smiles at Pema.. taking on a kind of Tom Cruise aspect on the bullet train.
Pema Pera is Offline
stevenaia Michinaga: pema poofs
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): circle of chairs.. sure!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) issue with the sim... odd for there to be a night time issue
Raffila Millgrove moves over to make more room for Eliza.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): aw, ty Raffi
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): we have room Stevie :)
stevenaia Michinaga: ok
stevenaia Michinaga: I can sit anywhere
stevenaia Michinaga: keeping my feet warm too
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): downside of wearing ballgowns maybe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Raffila Millgrove pours more tea for Storm and Stever and gives Sam and Elixa a fresh cup of Earl Grey
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): oh, perfect Raffi, intuitive :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Yum! Thanks :)
stevenaia Michinaga: not good light over the fireplace
Raffila Millgrove: we were quite refreshed over here.. tho i miss the bell.. since i use that to remember to do the nine seconds.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): how is that going Raffi?
Raffila Millgrove had to trade tea for bell.. tho not bad.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): doing them outside of PaB also, or...?
Raffila Millgrove: well it's going along ok. i decide to be very diligent and quit my usual practice in favor of doing it by the "book". hehe. the 9 second.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) I go through times of doing that... setting the timer
Storm Nordwind: Better light Steve with candles out?
stevenaia Michinaga: could be my sunglasses
Raffila Millgrove: if i come to PAB meets 3 times a day which i kind of do.. then i can get in 3 times per session at 9 per day.. which isn't bad. often no one here at 1 am etc.. but i still do it even if alone.
Raffila Millgrove: Last night when no one here. i meet Observerm
Storm Nordwind: brb - checking the sim
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ty Storm
stevenaia Michinaga: awww, yes, our favorate observor
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) wonders if obs has tried 9 secs...
Raffila Millgrove: who is that?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) shouts: thanks Storm!
Raffila Millgrove: do you know? it is an alt of someone we know?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): obs?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): not sure... at some point used another name
stevenaia Michinaga: no idea, but he sometimes is a regular at the 7:00 sessions
Raffila Millgrove: yes there is a man in black suit. his name is Overserverm.. and he stands off a bit.. many times.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): think may be different people who drive obs actually
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and some were uncomfortable at first, but polite and just well, observes :
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Storm Nordwind report the sim is still down and suspects there was a serious problem so is glad he reported it
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): serious?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): what happened Storm?
Raffila Millgrove: well i gave him lm to my park plot yesterday and he seemed rather pleased to have it.. maybe he will come and swing there.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): he may be a she.. and or both :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nice :) he sometimes engages people, most in IMs
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): or she :)
Storm Nordwind: Went very laggy suddenly at 7:05. Sim coughing and spluttering. I requested a reboot from LL support and got it
Raffila Millgrove: well i speak to him in 3rd person in chat.. and he does semi reply by IM.
stevenaia Michinaga: I think he will be comfy if you have bushes to hid behind
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ah, great
Raffila Millgrove: i don't stand too close.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): at first obs wasn't in the bushes but would sit and be silent... under a different name
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): fowl play Storm?
Raffila Millgrove: is the sim back up Storm?
stevenaia Michinaga: if invited he sometimes site with us
Storm Nordwind: no
stevenaia Michinaga: sits
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Foul* lol
Raffila Millgrove: well it's interesting to have him around. i kinda like it.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): imagines lots of chicken, duck and turkey particles
stevenaia Michinaga: lke a mascot
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yeah, think we are attached
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Raffila Millgrove: yes. he likes us. i can tell.
Raffila Millgrove: i get very nice vibes from him.
Raffila Millgrove is probably wishful thinking and/or delusional in that. but.. it's comforting to believe.
stevenaia Michinaga: nods
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) smiles
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): not sure.. but I think using SL has somehow actually degraded my spelling and grammer (making excuses)
Raffila Millgrove: me too Sam.. it's a good excuse.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) considers all the things I can blame SL for...hehe
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, glad it wasn't me, I know I ahve that affect on me
Storm Nordwind: I have my Phoenix spell checker switched on!
stevenaia Michinaga: speel checker... where?
stevenaia Michinaga: oops
Storm Nordwind chuckles
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
Raffila Millgrove: i made the same excuse.. when i had to go from writing by hand to using a typwriter and i have continued to use it with each chance in technology.
Raffila Millgrove: change.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): I do too.. sadly some words go "afowl" of the spell checker ::shakes head and laughs"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Raffila Millgrove: is there one for chat?
Raffila Millgrove: a spell checker?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods.. this version of firestorm has that feature
Raffila Millgrove: ah. i am version3. i think we dont' have. all for the best. i write too many strange words.. to deal with it.
Storm Nordwind: Looking in the enormous Phoenix config for where I switched on the checker!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): one has to slow down to actually use it though :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Linden Lab is going to incorporate the spell checker in the default viewer
Raffila Millgrove: this viewer 3.. it took me 2 months to get accustomed, but now i like it.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): of those sitting here, I wonder how many would find their typing voice and speaking voice the same
Storm Nordwind: edit prefs > Phoenix tab > page 2 > right hand tab (Spell Check) :)
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you so much Storm
Raffila Millgrove: i had hard time to use voice here. I am 60 percent deaf and aphasic. the combo is very hard on me for voice in SL.. but last summer i insisted to myself. DO it. and don't quit til you are ok in it. and so finally i can do it.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): nice follow through :)
Raffila Millgrove: this had significant changes in my experience here. massive actually.
Storm Nordwind sees he'll have to download yet another viewer for Inworldz :-/
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hm
Raffila Millgrove: so i am glad i forced myself to not quit in trying. i failed every six months.. since voice arrived here.
Raffila Millgrove: that's kind of a heavy track record.. to overcome it. but i did at last.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): if at first.. and all that :) also.. "gently down the stream..."
Raffila Millgrove: oh i love that song. do you know it Sam?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I think the quality of voice is far better than when I first tried... but it still feels as though many events spend the first several minutes with people logging out and in
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): do enjoy voice meetings though
Raffila Millgrove: I am in a group where.. voice is essential. Almost all discussion sessions in that group are conducted in voice. if you text. they will read it out loud for you. but you end up in serious disadvantage to use text.
Storm Nordwind: Voice better for slow typers like me :)
Storm Nordwind: 50wpm doesn't cut it in a large group!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Raffila Millgrove: also i am teaching more now... and in that group I must use voice. I had 50 people come to my presentation on Sat which was kind of a record. so .. i know i made right choice to go voice.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) wishes there was some way to use text in RL meetings
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hehe
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): i wonder if somewhere people are working on some kind of future.. next generation virtual worlds.. that will be powered by sort of average hardware .. 5 years from now or something... environments where lots of presences can coexist at once without lag.. would be nice...
Storm Nordwind: presenting in voice with text audience responses seems a good mix
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Text has distinct advantages in some group settings :)
Raffila Millgrove: yes. it works great. i open with.. speed questions.. so i can know the audience. i ask question and they just type yes. or no. and then i ask followup. asking their reply to be about 3 words. immediately i could know.. who is my audience today.
stevenaia Michinaga: what was your topic Raffi?
Storm Nordwind will check Bieup sim again. brb
stevenaia Michinaga: looks brown on the map
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) ties a tether to Storm.. just in case
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): sweet the way Storm fusses over things
Raffila Millgrove: i think maybe i don't say in chat.. if you don't mind. let us say specailized to the world i come from.
stevenaia Michinaga: says offline
stevenaia Michinaga: no problem
Raffila Millgrove: i come from world of female led relationships. and topic was related to some of our special interests.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): back from the singulairty in one piece Storm?
stevenaia Michinaga: remember when people would be unable to log off... ever?
stevenaia Michinaga: and jsut hung there frozen
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I think there is still a linden avie at a bollywood dance place... with a hula hoop
Raffila Millgrove: i am relieved that i can tp reliably without finding my hair up my butt every 3rd tp. i hated that.
stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wonder if 'eliza madrigal' is still registered at open sim... has been a few years since I peeked in...
Raffila Millgrove: that was on of the silliest bugs we had here. having your hair attach to your backside and arriving places bald.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): site seeing trivia there.. the frozen linden with the hula-hoop LOL
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hah, good for treasure hunt
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): has anyone ever asked a Linden for their Linden bear?
stevenaia Michinaga: what's a Linden bear?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I haven't :) I like the birthday bears though
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): http://is.gd/7szfPy
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): neat, hah... a censored one?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Have to love Torley's :)
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Raffila Millgrove: never seem to hear of Torley anymore. is he still with LL?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): sure
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): his roles have changed a bit though
Storm Nordwind has submitted another support ticket, this time for sim staying down
Raffila Millgrove: i have the newest Linden bear someplace. What does Torley do now?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): oh,,, Torley's is great
Raffila Millgrove: he is! wonderful.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden
Raffila Millgrove: i have all his textures.
Storm Nordwind even used one or two of his textures
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): "I'm the Resident Enlightenment Manager on the Editorial Division of the Experience Design Team."
Storm Nordwind: Sounds very Torleyesque
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :))
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): He's awesome
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): this feels like being snowed in :)
Raffila Millgrove: ty for the link. very informative.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): things like asking Linden's for their bear.. get kind of sadly missed in the big picture of projecting so much onto SL and what it is or is not doing for groups or individuals.
Raffila Millgrove: so.. when is the next retreat.. is it set for a place yet. i didn't see it when i was in the wiki?
Storm Nordwind imagines a Miami resident being snowed in ;-)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)) well...
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): retreat in Ireland ?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): have been hunkered down before... having to peek out and see if hurricane has passed
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): doesn't seem there will be a retreat this year...
Storm Nordwind: Was Vashon the last one?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): but some have discussed 'meet up' in Venice
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Did Ireland fall through?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes... too few
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): oh.. didn't realise
Storm Nordwind: Even vashon was a close run thing numberswise
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Eliza (eliza.madrigal): think some that had originally thought of ireland were also interested in venice also... hard to stretch too much
Raffila Millgrove: will it be a retreat or a meet up.. there's a difference? Raffila Millgrove: will Pema come anymore?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): when able Raffila Millgrove: he didn't come to last one at Vashon I believe?
Storm Nordwind: He didn't, correct. That was a west coast thing really
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): he would have liked to have gone to Berlin but missed hearing about it until plans were made... think tight schedule
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I rarely 'regret' things but I regret not going to Vashon :)
Raffila Millgrove: i thought it was Stuttgart? it swas Berlin?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Berlin was a 'meet up' Raffila Millgrove: ah. these "meet ups" .. they dont' seem to be in wiki.. or i have .. not found yet.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I'll show you a session where we discussed the difference, but it may not help, hah
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): this is a kind of meet-up..
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): spontaneous
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Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): circumstantial
Raffila Millgrove: i think Boxy maybe was mentioning to be about Berlin. he organized Berlin?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): http://bit.ly/Ipy3uG
Raffila Millgrove: you know i am sorry that I ask all this "old stuff" questions that everyone .. already has put behind them. I feel bad about doing it.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I really love it Raffi
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): thank you
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Eliza (eliza.madrigal): appreciate your curiosity
stevenaia Michinaga: love going back, much there to re introduce
Raffila Millgrove: really Eliza? i think it's sort of like being a nitwit. i have to struggle not to feel too stupid.
Raffila Millgrove: That's LUCI?
Storm Nordwind: Yup
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes.... it is like weaving
Raffila Millgrove: that is Luci. she's the one ic an remember.
Raffila Millgrove: she's the one person who looks to me.. like herself. with avi.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): fireball Luci
Storm Nordwind: Yes, we named her fireball at the the retreat
Raffila Millgrove: she is .. so easy for me to remember. i really like how she looks in photos.
Raffila Millgrove: and i can recognize both Gen and Eliza too.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Raffila Millgrove: Eliza has a very classic beauty face.. thin.. cheekbones.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ty Raffila Millgrove: yes these are the Vashon photo, no? of that amazing place by lighthouse.
Storm Nordwind: yes
Raffila Millgrove: yes i was a wondeful slideshow. i liked it the best.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) notices Stevnaia's nice eyes
Raffila Millgrove: of all the reports. this one i liked best.. for these photos.. like being there.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) nods Raffila Millgrove: it also.. made for such good report.. to show them and people commenting. it was the easiest one to understand.
stevenaia Michinaga: they are new Sam , thx
Raffila Millgrove: after i saw that final one.. that was the one i thought.. it could best relate to.. like "being there".
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): the group took real time to prepare for that theme session, was so great
Storm Nordwind smiles
Eliza (eliza.madrigal) zooms on stevie
Raffila Millgrove: it was great!
Raffila Millgrove: but the early ones. when the guardians each wrote their own report and many contributed.. those were fab also.
Raffila Millgrove: that is Maxine!
Storm Nordwind: Riddle and Maxine
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Storm Nordwind: Aph and me
Raffila Millgrove: she only showed up in two photos.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): such care and attention from Storm and Maxine creating that container
Storm Nordwind: Aph
Storm Nordwind: Luci Riddle me
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) love this shot
Storm Nordwind: San
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) smiles.. looking at pictures on the screen :)
Raffila Millgrove: only one who tested the water.
Raffila Millgrove: water was 45 degrees.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): brr
Storm Nordwind: Only there for a day
Raffila Millgrove: that's the van.. that the organizer transported people in.
Raffila Millgrove: who was the organizer again?
Storm Nordwind: None of Susan, by request
Raffila Millgrove: and there's the ferry.
Storm Nordwind: Me and Maxine
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Luci :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ((Luci))
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Fireball :)
Storm Nordwind: BEER!!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): always beer...
Raffila Millgrove: why do you call Luci, the fireball?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): that's the strangest thing about our 'retreats'
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): haha
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): she gets a lot done?
Storm Nordwind: because her appearance belies her personality
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): action girl?
Raffila Millgrove: ah.
Raffila Millgrove: interesting.
Storm Nordwind: We had a bunch of ENFPs there :)
Raffila Millgrove: she was a teacher.. of small children. she still teaches now?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Montessori
Storm Nordwind: Montessouri teacher
Raffila Millgrove: oh i bet she is terrific. Montessori is so cool.
Raffila Millgrove: they didnt' have one when my kids were small. now they have many.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): they were far more rare at some point but still too rare I think
Raffila Millgrove: now she is always in these plays? these performance? what is that about?
Raffila Millgrove: is that school?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Choir
Raffila Millgrove: ah. choir.. she is singing. is that her hobby then?
Storm Nordwind: In the UK, Waldorf schools are more common (though still uncommon)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes, one of them
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): suppose her central one, though dream circles and gardening and chickens..
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): quite a lady
Raffila Millgrove: Aphrodite.. she is the one who is taking these wonderful botanical draw classes, right? what does she do.. is she retired now?
Storm Nordwind: I think she eatches part-time, but yes otherwise retired
Storm Nordwind: *teaches
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): who are all these people.. really... ?
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): ;)
Raffila Millgrove: when Yaku came to retreat.. his reports were fascinating. he thought--why is everyone so old? hehe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hahaha
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): yes
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)) my favorite retreat report snippets
Raffila Millgrove: and i didn't meet this Pia.. i think. yet. is she still with us.. cause she went into that staircase. and had shared dream with Pema.. that was also fascinating (Malta)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Lia, nods
Raffila Millgrove: oh lia. sorry. is she still with us?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): wow Raffi ::head spins:::
Raffila Millgrove: i dont' think i met her.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): Yaku.. quiet guardian/protector.. holder of space for others :)
Raffila Millgrove: why is your head spinning Eliza? did i say something wrong?
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): she is in serious studies now.. so in touch but not hosting , not often here
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): not at all... just very interesting the way you have read so much
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): as I said, appreciate that a lot, just surprising... you know so much about the group
Raffila Millgrove: i have to. it's the only way i can catch up. altho.. i will never really "catch up", but at least i will not be so anxious around everyone, because I don't know what they are talking about. deaf people can really crazy when they cannot understand what's being said.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Raffila Millgrove: people who are partially deaf.. they have something in common.. they tend to listen really closely for fear of not hearing. and even tho this is text and obviously.. it's Not hearing. that.. trait. carries over.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): fascinating
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): supose that is how one develops the skill of asking for what they'd like clarification on too
Raffila Millgrove: so anyway that's why i apologize for taking up time.. to rehash stuff you already lived thru.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): must have to pick and prioritise.. such a wealth of things to know/be curious about :)
Storm Nordwind will go check sim again
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it is like apologizing for giving a gift Raffi
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): nods @ oO0Oo
stevenaia Michinaga: just did, Storm, still offline
stevenaia Michinaga: or so the map says
Raffila Millgrove: did you find a lot of bears when you were looking in inventory Eliza. i seem to have so many different ones.. it's.. amazing.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I remember feeling like I wanted to catch up on everything too... mostly the explorations... wanted to understand "no-time" haha
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I have just a few
Raffila Millgrove: gosh i got some box with 23 bear in it.. and i didnt' see them all yet. lol
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): from last few years... didn't really attend parties until recently
Raffila Millgrove: i tend to pick up those freebie boxes and take years to get it all open and sorted.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)) boxes of bears
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): and this morning we were dancing with bunnies
Storm Nordwind: oops
Raffila Millgrove: i am still working on Burning life of two 1/2 yr ago. they had tent full of freebie.. it was insane.
You decline Wild Coast Lobby from A group member named Busty December.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): lol
Raffila Millgrove: some of that stuff was remarkable.. as they were all made by the creators who did fab stuff .. it was the last official Linden sponsored BL.. tho they didn't realize it.
Eliza Madrigal gave you Easter Bunny (wear).
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): can we ever catch up with anything.. even ourselves?
Raffila Millgrove: this bear is from 2007 RElay for life. i always go on the survivor lap.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :) well it may be like the happiness saying... when we stop we may catch up
Raffila Millgrove: i always carry this bear and run that lap... it is the only time .. i acknowledge surviving. the rest of itme. i dont' think about it.. to stay.. calm and clear.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): sometimes my inventory mocks me.. sort of daring me to either sort it.. or be with who i am in that moment
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): lovely things go on in SL... would be nice for it to stick around :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hahah (((oO0Oo)))
Raffila Millgrove: well if i get this short note written for the google. i will mention .. my one thought about this.
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Eliza (eliza.madrigal): ((Raffi))) didn't realize
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): ***"lovely things go on"***
Raffila Millgrove: the.. writer of this blog piece includes his.. ideas on saving SL which are to me.. pointless. they are not goign to help. what i think is--Live for Today.. pack in everything you ever want to do.. don't let anything go by.. carpe diem.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): sha la la la la la
Raffila Millgrove: so.. anything we want to do in SL. we should go at it.. full barrel and get it done. and enjoy every minute we have.
Raffila Millgrove: not worry that it's going away. Live it very strong and full of joy.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): ((((( Ding!)))))
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): http://bit.ly/IpFG4c
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): I found the $5 cassette tape to this when I was 17... best of grass roots thought it was the neatest tape...
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo) smiles
Raffila Millgrove: gosh.. i never heard this song.. how weird.
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): neato!
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): with an American tape, and "Bread"
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): *America
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): hahahahaha
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): loved those... friends so patient :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): takes one to know one
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :)
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): aw.. Stev with bun :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night all, will be taking the log with me, if anyome wants to send me rest or post it , feel
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, cute bunny
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): your bear is more independent Sam√∫√∞ (
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): kk Stev. thanks for that :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): Thanks Stevie
Sam√∫√∞ (oo0oo): have anice night :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): it is quite late actually... why am I up :)
stevenaia Michinaga: night all
Raffila Millgrove: oh thank you Steve. bye now.
Raffila Millgrove: ty for the increidble photo too!
Samúð (oo0oo) snaps Steves thong as she leaves
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bear must be made of coffee
Samúð (oo0oo): I'd better go to :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): this was fun, thanks
Raffila Millgrove: bye Eliza.
Samúð (oo0oo): was.. thanks Raffi.. Eliza.. Storm.. Stev :)
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): strange that the sim isn't back yet
Raffila Millgrove lets her bear kiss Eliza's bear.
Raffila Millgrove: hehehe
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): hahaha
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): :))
Raffila Millgrove leans down and lets her bear kiss Sam's
Raffila Millgrove: oh he poofed so quick.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): poofy bear
Raffila Millgrove: hehe. laters.
Eliza (eliza.madrigal): bye for now
Raffila Millgrove: bye
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