2012.04.08 07:00 - Two Track Mind

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

     

    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Adams! wonderful dress:)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Xirana :)
    Adams Rubble: Have you been here long?
    Xirana Oximoxi: I've just arrived:)
    Adams Rubble: me too :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: it's spring time and aghain getting stormy here (where I live)... so if I left suddenly it's because of my connexion is in danger:)
    Adams Rubble: ohhh
    Adams Rubble: I hope you are able to stay :)
    Adams Rubble: but will know where you went if you leave suddenly
    Xirana Oximoxi: yesterday it was my guardian session... and had to leave because of electric storm...it's better to disconnect all
    Xirana Oximoxi: but :)
    Adams Rubble: yes, don;t want to fry ones circuits
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes... I hope today the weather stays calm...rainy but calm:)
    Adams Rubble: It is a beautiful sunny morning here in RL but we are getting some rain later this week
    Xirana Oximoxi: the morning has been incredible nice and sunny... and I was inside home studying brrr
    Adams Rubble: :(
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: it's ok!
    Adams Rubble: I hope you were happy with what you learned :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello Agatha :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: hi Agatha!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Xira, Adams
    Xirana Oximoxi: I am working on a correspondence between two catalan writers during Franco's dictatur
    Agatha Macbeth: Happy Easter
    Xirana Oximoxi: it's very interesting
    Adams Rubble: Happy Easter to you too :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: happy Easter Agg and Adams!
      --BELL--(0715)
    Xirana Oximoxi: how do you celebrate it?
    Adams Rubble: Yes, Xirana. Can you tell us more?
    Xirana Oximoxi: well Adams..not easy to resume :) they tried to wrote in Catalan and it was forbidden during some years, and when allowed all works must pass censorship... they should always be careful of what they said
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I'm late I was in the shower, lost track of time
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: but they have been very important to keep our culture alive even living in exil
    Adams Rubble: Well you smell nice Agatha :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes...clean smell and frwesh
    Xirana Oximoxi: fresh!*
    Agatha Macbeth: Thankfully yes :p
    Xirana Oximoxi: do you celebrate Easter ? special traditions?
    Adams Rubble: Catalan was banned?

    Xira types asiduously for what seems like five minutes....
    Agatha Macbeth: This is a long answer [grin]

    Here I seeemed to find myself suddenly involved with two different conversations, one with Xira and one with Adams.  Consequently, things got a little confused for a while


    Adams Rubble: It is a coincidence that I am reading about and contemplating a diferent dictator
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Xirana Oximoxi: Catalan was forbidden, yes... you were punished if you were found speaking catalan...or writting letters in Catalan... but after some years of dictatur and because business men in Spain were not intereted in beeing isolated from Europe...some more freedom came
    Xirana Oximoxi: which dictator, Adams?
    Agatha Macbeth: Which is your first language Xira, Spanish or Catalan?
    Xirana Oximoxi: Catalan:)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: but we are bilingual
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Adams Rubble: wow, thinking about ones language being banned
    Adams Rubble: Akbar the Mughal Emperor
    Agatha Macbeth: It happened to the Basques too I think?
    Adams Rubble: He went the other way
    Agatha Macbeth: Ooh, I must look him up Adams
    Adams Rubble: and encouraged tolerance of the diofferences
    Xirana Oximoxi: well... it has been always hard to get all banned...in the 18 century, Spanish kings had even forbidden to produce and play teahter in Catalan, or to hear 'conferences' in the chuch in Catalan...
    Adams Rubble: He gathered representatives of all the religions and had them meet every week for a while, and then more frequently to try to find common ground
    Xirana Oximoxi: I think that as much they forbidde it...we react more and more:)
    Agatha Macbeth: Did he succeed Adams?
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, Xira
    Adams Rubble: yes and no. We have two threads here but the contrast may be interesting
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
    Adams Rubble: He succeeded in that they came up with a list of common things
    Agatha Macbeth: The more you try to oppress minorities the more they resist and it is ultimately self-defeating, as happened in Ireland
    Adams Rubble: He failed in that no one recorded them for history :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear!

    Xirana Oximoxi: and now internet has given a BIG way to express for minoritary languages
    Adams Rubble: yes Xirana
    Agatha Macbeth: Good!
    Adams Rubble: Intolerance seems to always weaken countries or states
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes, very good...I think diversity is good...makes people be open mind
    Agatha Macbeth: Welsh and Gaelic are experiencing a revival here too
    Xirana Oximoxi: even with languages
    Adams Rubble: They are strongest when everyone has a place and can participate
    Xirana Oximoxi: each language gives a way to express our world...
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
    Adams Rubble: I think it is great when people master many languages
    Xirana Oximoxi: now...about Akbar the Mughal Emperor, can you tell more Adams? I didn't know him
    Adams Rubble: I have not succeeded in doing so although I have tried
    Agatha Macbeth: I know a Welsh speaker who says it is far more difficult for him to express ideas in English than Welsh, because the words do not have the exact meanings he wishes to convey
    Adams Rubble: Akbar lived in the late 16c and early 17c
    Agatha Macbeth: I must look him up
    Adams Rubble: The Mughals were descended from the Mongols and were latecomers to India
    Xirana Oximoxi: very difficult to translate from one language to another...each word has also some subtle meanings of each culture
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh he was quite recent then Adams
    Adams Rubble: His grandfather Baber was the first to conquor parts of India
    Agatha Macbeth nods

    OK, think we're back together now :p
    Adams Rubble: Of course they were Muslims and the majority of the population was not
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Xirana Oximoxi: you're really an expert about India:)
    Adams Rubble: Nah :)
    Agatha Macbeth: and the consequences of that are still felt today
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes:)
    Adams Rubble: But trying to learn
    Agatha Macbeth: India is a fascinating country
    Adams Rubble: Muslims were there earlier
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes...and thanks for sharing:)
    Agatha Macbeth: all of Asia is :)
    Adams Rubble: In any case, Akbar went against his Muslim advisors and advocated tolerance
      --BELL--(0730)
    Adams Rubble: did not try to convert the population but learn from it
    Adams Rubble: He had "Hindu" wives
    Adams Rubble: whoops, sorry
    Agatha Macbeth: Moslem rulers seem to fall into two very different camps: either very tolerant or the total opposite....
    Adams Rubble: I missed the bell (never have sound on)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: me either:)
    Adams Rubble: I have been thinking much about intolerance
    Adams Rubble: It is interesting that a dictator tried so hard to inculde everyone
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes Adams, it is sadly a common subject :(
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Adams Rubble: while I live in a democracy and so many are trying to exclude people
    Xirana Oximoxi: it's strange how we humans somehow hate all what looks or think differently
    Xirana Oximoxi: well..maybe 'hate' is not the appropiate word
    Adams Rubble: fear sometimes
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: The US is so different from the UK in that respect
    Xirana Oximoxi: in what sense Agg...more open?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, I mean that it seems legal to exclude people you don't want to associate with, whereas here it isn't
    Agatha Macbeth: You can't just ban people from going where they want or associate with who they want because it's illegal
    Adams Rubble: Hello Eos :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi E :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: yes...
    Adams Rubble trying to figure out what Agatha is saying

    (What i was trying to say here (probably not very well) is that you can have restricted clubs and the like in the USA which can legally exclude people such as e.g. Jews or Blacks, whereas in UK and most of Europe there are laws which prohibit such discrimination)


    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Eos:)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Xira, Aga, Ada
    Agatha Macbeth: Well, it seems to me that 'freedom to associate' actually means 'freedom to avoid'
    Agatha Macbeth: How are you E?
    Adams Rubble: I think maybe the worst cases of laws may be the most known :)
    Eos Amaterasu: fine, enjoying a spring snowfall, which won't last the day... :-)
    Adams Rubble: Oh wow, Eos
    Agatha Macbeth: God
    Agatha Macbeth: Mind you it snowed here last week up north
    Adams Rubble: We have barely seen snow here this year
    Agatha Macbeth: I think we had all ours last year
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: kind of a blessing of purity of the water elements in all their states
    Agatha Macbeth blesses the purity of water
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: it's fun how people in SL decorate places with snow...it's also where I have felt it more this winter:) skating...
    Agatha Macbeth: I love snow in SL :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: me too...you get the white feeeling overalll and can play..and beeing very warm sitting at home:)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, that always helps :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes, we do have a fire going in the wood stove :-)
    Adams Rubble: I always feel cold when in SL snow
    Adams Rubble: have to get out my wintry clothes :)
    Eos Amaterasu: might need hot chocolate, perhaps?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, that's odd, I don't get that, hmm
    Adams Rubble: It is funny but I guess I am that immersed. hehe
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe there is a limit to embodiment
    Eos Amaterasu: chocolate bunny melting into hot liquid bliss
    Agatha Macbeth: Nooooo! Poor bunny
    Eos Amaterasu: bunny turns to bliss
    Eos Amaterasu: nondual bliss :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Watership Down maybe?

    (Or Brer Rabbit)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I also put warm sweaters:)
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Eos Amaterasu: bunny and bliss and me are not two, or three
    Eos Amaterasu: 90 seconds of post-chocolate bliss coming up :-)
    Adams Rubble will try not to type this time
    Xirana Oximoxi: going back to Akbar the Mughal Emperor...are you working in it to prepare something in SL, Adams?
    Agatha Macbeth: I haven't had mine yet
    --BELL--(0745)
    Adams Rubble: Actually no Agatha. Just received a history book from India and could not wait to read about Akbar after seeing the Bollywood movie :). The movie of course took great liberties but fun to see what was true and what was not
    Adams Rubble: The next workshop will be on Borobudur
    Eos Amaterasu: (what movie?)
    Agatha Macbeth: Funny how the bell always goes when you just asked someone a question :p
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, wow
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: it goes to their court
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that the place in Indonesia?
    Adams Rubble: Jodhaa-Akbar
    Adams Rubble: Yes Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, interesting
    Adams Rubble: Some wonderful music in the movie by A.R.Rahmen
    Adams Rubble: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExNsblNYoxQ
    Adams Rubble: Hello Freud :)
    Freud Jungsten: heya
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow, long time no see
    Xirana Oximoxi: hello Freud:)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi, Freud Jung
    Freud Jungsten: SLowly cleaning out this inventory.
    Freud Jungsten smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Inventories are a pain
    Freud Jungsten: Not going to delete Freud, but not going to use her much either.
    Agatha Macbeth: you always have more than you seem to want or need
    Adams Rubble: Funny I picked one with Japanese translation (giggles)
    Freud Jungsten: Well, with Korel, I keep her inventory under 333.
    Agatha Macbeth: なるほど^^
    Freud Jungsten: Freud is up over 800... so I want to trim that down as low as possible as well.
    Agatha Macbeth: Something odd happened to your first Av didn't it?
    Agatha Macbeth: got corrupted or something?
    Freud Jungsten: Well, my first three AVs sorta died...
    Xirana Oximoxi: maybe one day I do the same...clean inventory and delete near all..the easier way to have it in order:))
    Agatha Macbeth: Three? God...
    Freud Jungsten: I have been in SL since 2005 though.
    Freud Jungsten: It was silly unstable back then.
    Adams Rubble is glad I have a librarian to take care of my inventory
    Xirana Oximoxi: you lucky girl! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Librarians are wonderful people
    Freud Jungsten: I dated a librarian for a while... was... different... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Adams Rubble: Lots of folders and sub-folders all neatly arranged :)
    Eos Amaterasu: (amazing music.... still listening....)
    Adams Rubble: yes, isn;t it :)
    Freud Jungsten: Which music?
    Adams Rubble: A.R.Rahmen is a Sufi himself
    Adams Rubble: the link I pasted when you came in Freud
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Freud Jungsten: I dated a Sufi girl for a while... very different way of looking at htings.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: I am listening too:)
    Agatha Macbeth: The Sufi are interesting, very much so
    Xirana Oximoxi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExNsblNYoxQ
    Freud Jungsten: OH Jodhaa Akbar... great movie.
    Freud Jungsten: If you have not seen it.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Akbar means 'great' doesn't it?
    Eos Amaterasu makes note to self
    Agatha Macbeth: as in Allah hu akbar
    Xirana Oximoxi: did you find a lot of 'differences' with the real history and the film, Adams?
    Freud Jungsten: I htink it actually means news or message or truth.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hm, not sure...
    Adams Rubble: Not sure Agatha. yes Xirana
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap :)
    Adams Rubble: but they had little snipets of truth
    Xirana Oximoxi: manipulated to make the dictator appear more nice or just to make the film more interesting?
    Freud Jungsten: The love sceen at the end is very funny.
    Xirana Oximoxi: ahhhh shhhhhhhhhh Freud!! :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Adams Rubble: Everything is beautified :)
    Agatha Macbeth: In it's own way
    Adams Rubble: Not much os known about the princess who is portrayed in the film at all so all that is made up
      --BELL--(0800)
    Eos Amaterasu: lots of make up
    Freud Jungsten: She looked darn good though... smiles
    Adams Rubble: Of course he had many wives but she was the mother of the next emperor
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Agatha Macbeth: That was a woman's job in those days :p
    Adams Rubble: I don;t even think her name is known
    Adams Rubble: only that she was from Amber and the daughter of whats his name
    Agatha Macbeth: Amber?
    Adams Rubble: a city
    Adams Rubble: city state
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
    Agatha Macbeth: never heard of that
    Adams Rubble: A little city
    Xirana Oximoxi: me either
    Agatha Macbeth: Flies in Amber :p
    Adams Rubble: or princesses
    Agatha Macbeth: Indeed :)
    Eos Amaterasu: thank you, bellissimi
    Eos Amaterasu: must go, ciao!
    Adams Rubble: bye Eos :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow Freud - lady in red :)
    Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Eos:)
    Adams Rubble: I must get going too
    Agatha Macbeth: Take care E, nice to see you
    Freud Jungsten smiles
    Freud Jungsten: I look way good in red.
    Adams Rubble: Nice to see you all today :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww, bye Adams, take care
    Agatha Macbeth: you too
    Xirana Oximoxi: I go too...nice day to all!! see you soon
    Freud Jungsten: ciao
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye Xirana, adios
    Adams Rubble: glad you were able to stay Xirana
    Xirana Oximoxi: adiós:)
    Adams Rubble waves
    Xirana Oximoxi: hasta pronto!
    Xirana Oximoxi: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hasta la vista baby :)

    The pavilion is now deserted, except for me and Korel Freud, who is busily trying on outfits


    Agatha Macbeth: Well Freud, looks like you did it again :DDD
    Freud Jungsten: I have my talents.
    Agatha Macbeth: It seems so
    Freud Jungsten: PaB needs a fashion runway though.
    Freud Jungsten smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: They have Wol and me for that!
    Agatha Macbeth: Heheh
    Freud Jungsten: Have to go with Grandma to lunch soon anyway.
    Freud Jungsten: lunch
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok, happy Easter
    Freud Jungsten: Thanks... smiles.. we did the sunrise service this morning.. that was nice.
    Agatha Macbeth: I can believe it :)
    Freud Jungsten: Never been to a Baptist Easter service though... different.
    Agatha Macbeth: Different how I wonder?
    Freud Jungsten: More serious....
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
    Agatha Macbeth: interesting
    Freud Jungsten: Like they are stuck on teh Good Friday part and not the Resurection part.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Freud Jungsten: I am more used to really hyper fun Easters...
    Agatha Macbeth: Different christian sects seem to focus on different things, yes
    Freud Jungsten: But one of the things I love about the Faith is how different things are.
    Agatha Macbeth: and yes, I know what you mean
    Freud Jungsten: Very much so.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Freud Jungsten: One of the things that attracted me to it in the first place... lack of agreement on almost everything.... lol
    Agatha Macbeth grins
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like a bunch of academics :p
    Freud Jungsten: For me, it was the reverse....
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, diversity is good
    Agatha Macbeth: In what way?
    Freud Jungsten: What made me start thinking that was was how much my college philosopy intstructors at least were so group think.
    Freud Jungsten: The classes were a joke...
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Freud Jungsten: If you included three things, you always got and A.
    Freud Jungsten: 1 -- Bush is evil.
    Freud Jungsten: 2 - religous people are stupid.
    Freud Jungsten: 3- professors are god.

    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds sadly familiar :(
    Freud Jungsten: As long as you said that, you got an A>.. was just stupid.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Freud Jungsten: And that was when I was really an Atheist.
    Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you were a closet atheist :p
    Freud Jungsten: No, actually I was a militent atheiast... just like my mom raised me to be.
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: My mother was the exact opposite
    Freud Jungsten: So it was strange... to see all the Christian groups here that could not agree on anything... then see the carbon copy people in the faculty.
    Freud Jungsten: Made me starting thinking for myself.
    Agatha Macbeth nods and smiles
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Mr Observer
    Freud Jungsten: Very odd things I have in my inventory.
    Agatha Macbeth: Hah yes!
    Agatha Macbeth: I have a parrot and a sex bed in mine :DDDD
    Freud Jungsten: I'm too sexy for my cyborg skin.
    Agatha Macbeth: dunno how they got there!!!
    --BELL--(0815)
    Agatha Macbeth: Wow, robofreud
    Freud Jungsten: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Is that a skin?
    Freud Jungsten: I probably have a sex bed in my inventory, and I know exactly how it go there.... lol
    Freud Jungsten: It is.
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Well you and i are probably different in that respect :p
    Freud Jungsten: THink I will keep these skins.. they are sorta fun.
    Freud Jungsten: lol
    Agatha Macbeth: They are cute
    Freud Jungsten: I was into that for a while.... and still have some of the stuff.
    Freud Jungsten: Thanks.
    Agatha Macbeth: Wol would definitely appreciate them
    Freud Jungsten: I know... smiles.
    Freud Jungsten: She got to see the first round of my fashion show 7 hours ago... lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Aha!
    Freud Jungsten: I have the inventory down to 838 now... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: That all? :p
    Freud Jungsten: Korel is 322 at the moment I think.
    Freud Jungsten: The things I can give to Korel I will.
    Freud Jungsten: So this will be all the no trans stuff left in Freud.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, that's a nice one
    Freud Jungsten: And furniture.
    Freud Jungsten: The brand is Galazia.
    Freud Jungsten: Galaxia
    Freud Jungsten: Sorry, bad typing.
    Agatha Macbeth: Thanks, dunno them
    Freud Jungsten: Might where this a bit just to confuse people.... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Typos are the body language of SL'
    Freud Jungsten: hmm... I like that... will have to use that phrase... and I will cite you... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Actually it's one of Wol's, so give her the credit [grin]
    Freud Jungsten smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: it's true too
    Freud Jungsten: Well.. not sex bed.
    Freud Jungsten: But... I do have a sex carpet.... smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, nice
    Freud Jungsten: Some of this stuff is so old.. handed down from my AVs all the way back to 2005.
    Agatha Macbeth: Good grief
    Freud Jungsten: Some of it I am sure probably won't work anymore.
    Agatha Macbeth: It's amazing to think how long SL has actually been going
    Freud Jungsten: I have been in SL for more than a quarter of my life as I have said before.
    Agatha Macbeth: Wish I could say the same :p
    Freud Jungsten: Looks more like pajamas.
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, shiny pajamas :p
    Freud Jungsten: Very strange pants.
    Freud Jungsten: They supposed to be latex plaid?... lol
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't be bad

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