2012.05.04 01:00 - Survivor

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[00:59] Wol Euler: hello rhi, nice to see you again
[00:59] Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Wol. I'd say the same, except nothing's really rezzed.
[00:59] Rhiannon Dragoone: lol
[00:59] Wol Euler: heheheh
[00:59] Rhiannon Dragoone: You here by your lonesome?
[01:00] Wol Euler: so far
[01:00] Wol Euler: but not any more
[01:00] Rhiannon Dragoone smiles
[01:00] Wol Euler: how's life?
[01:00] Rhiannon Dragoone: Life's good. How 'bout for you?

[01:01] Wol Euler: busy :( we have a competition due on the 15th, and the project isn't decided yet
[01:01] Wol Euler: hasn't gelled, as it were
[01:01] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, deadlines have a way of focusing the mind.
[01:02] Wol Euler: by this time, with under two weeks to go, we should already be preparing the set of drawings, roughing out the sizes of plans on the page etc
[01:02] Wol Euler: but we are still shuffling rooms around
[01:02] Wol Euler: it's going to be a long hard fight still :(

[01:02] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, that's what coffee is for; and you can sleep later in the summer
[01:02] Wol Euler: yeah
[01:02] Rhiannon Dragoone: So you here for a "break state?"
[01:03] Wol Euler nods.
[01:03] Wol Euler: these morning sessions are a peaceful time for me
[01:03] Rhiannon Dragoone: What is the time where you are?
[01:03] Wol Euler: 10am
[01:03] Rhiannon Dragoone: So late in the morning.
[01:03] Rhiannon Dragoone: It's 1AM for me, and that is really a peaceful time; right before sleep
[01:04] Wol Euler: it's relative :) we start work at 9:30 to 10
[01:04] Wol Euler nods.

[01:04] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, so the beginning of the work day. I find that more peaceful than going through the morning routine of showering, making breakfast; I'm always wondering if I will be done in time.
[01:04] Wol Euler: yep
[01:05] Wol Euler: though fortunately time is flexible, I start when I get there
[01:05] Rhiannon Dragoone: And even if I get out on time, I wonder about the traffic. Me too, usually; when I do have a fixed schedule, I always arrive a half hour early.
[01:05] Wol Euler: heh
[01:06] Wol Euler: I'm too lazy for that, sorry to say

[01:06] Rhiannon Dragoone: So yeah, I see you're getting comfortable; it is just the two of us
[01:06] Wol Euler grins.
[01:06] Wol Euler: "comfortable" is a nice word for it
[01:07] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, from those old movies and TV shows, where the girl would go slip into something more comfortable.
[01:07] Wol Euler: right
[01:07] Wol Euler: people don't seem to say that any more :)
[01:07] Rhiannon Dragoone: Can't get more comfortable than what I'm wearing.
[01:07] Wol Euler: the straps and leather crowd do slip into something LESS comfortable :)
[01:08] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yeah, they don't; but they do say things like 'Let me change my clothes;" or "let me get out of my work clothes," things like that
[01:08] Rhiannon Dragoone: lol---->straps and leather crowd
[01:08] Wol Euler smiles.
[01:08] Wol Euler: try a blue cushion
[01:08] Wol Euler: they have diferent poses
[01:09] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, more 'comfortable' ones. lol
[01:09] Wol Euler: I strongly prefer the blues, yes

[01:10] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, your arms are outstretched, like you're holding them that way, and that doesn't look comfortable, seriously
[01:10] Rhiannon Dragoone: And in this pose, when my typing ani is on, it doesn't look like I'm playing with myself.
[01:10] Wol Euler grins.
[01:11] Wol Euler: that's the problem with standard animations and self-determined body sizes
[01:11] Wol Euler: in theory my hands are resting on my knees
[01:11] Wol Euler: but my back is so long that they are in the air
[01:11] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah. well, eventually, they will allow an adaptation
[01:12] Wol Euler nods.
[01:13] Rhiannon Dragoone: Gilles bought me these feet, on the condition I wear them always, at least around him. And they are a lot better; my other feet/shoes, and my skin looked albino; there is a discoloration with these, but it's more natural
[01:13] Wol Euler: the toes are great, yes
[01:13] Wol Euler: there is a skin colour transitoin though, at least in my viewer
[01:13] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, the toes are awesome. Best I've seen
[01:13] Wol Euler: are they modifyable
[01:13] Wol Euler: ?
[01:13] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, they are, but after a while, it just isn't worth the time to get any closer
[01:13] Wol Euler nods.

[01:14] Rhiannon Dragoone: As i say, the discoloration seems fairly natural; like maybe you've been wearing shoes and are now barefoot.
[01:14] Wol Euler: tan lines :)
[01:14] Rhiannon Dragoone: exactly :)
[01:16] Rhiannon Dragoone: I look pretty tanned, except where you'd expect me not to be; feet, lower prt of my boobs.
[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: Not super tanned, like the skin that makes you look roasted.
[01:17] Wol Euler nods.
[01:17] Rhiannon Dragoone: Oops; fell aslleep in the tanning booth again. lol
[01:17] Wol Euler: exactly
[01:17] Wol Euler: walk around looking like a raccoon for a few weeks
[01:18] Rhiannon Dragoone: lolol

[01:19] Rhiannon Dragoone: I was visiting Rosalyn yesterday and we watched survior together; but before that, to kill time, we watched Entertainment tonight. ONe segment was a bout a woman arrested for having her 7 year old daughter in the tanning booth with her. Her (the mother's) skin was tanned almost black. And she got that way in *one week*

[01:19] Wol Euler: that's gotta be unhealthy
[01:19] Rhiannon Dragoone: Can we spell 'melonoma' boys and girls?
[01:19] Wol Euler: especially for the kid
[01:19] Wol Euler: really.
[01:19] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, that's why the mother is under a felony charge, even though it was just a sunburn for the kid
[01:20] Rhiannon Dragoone: And they had experts mention how, when your skin is rapidly changing, like when you're a kid, it is totally unhealthy
[01:20] Rhiannon Dragoone: Could spark cancer, all sorts of things.
[01:20] Wol Euler nods.
[01:21] Wol Euler: it occurs to me that I hven't been to a beach (RL) in many years
[01:21] Wol Euler: I take urban holidays these days :)
[01:21] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, how many are there in Germany? I know that you have lakes with beaches.
[01:21] Wol Euler: actually, no, I sat on the beach at Tel Aviv one evening (beautiful soft golden sand)
[01:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, wow.
[01:22] Wol Euler: there are sandy beaches on the North Sea coast
[01:22] Wol Euler: but that is a long way away
[01:22] Wol Euler: conceptually :)

[01:22] Rhiannon Dragoone: I went to the beach in Puerto Rico; the water looks almost preternturally blue and the sand totally white.
[01:22] Wol Euler: wow
[01:23] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yeah, the North Sea, duh. Where the British blockaded and starved 100,000's Germans to death in WWI, but when the Germans sank ships with U Boats to stop it, that was evil
[01:24] Wol Euler: "the first casualty of war is truth" as somebody said, and commonsense dies shortly thereafter
[01:24] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, really
[01:24] Wol Euler: "it's not a war crime it we do it"
[01:24] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, it ws technophobia; and to be fair, the new engines of war--tanks, U-Boats, airplanes, locomotives, did make it a totally unprecedented disaster that no one anticipated. "We'll be home by Christmas." heh, but which year?
[01:25] Wol Euler nods.

[01:25] Rhiannon Dragoone: People were used to blockaids, but invisible attacks from below the surface of the sea--scary. But the Germans did warn, at first, before they attacked.
[01:25] Wol Euler: chivalry :)
[01:26] Rhiannon Dragoone: And an attempt to be smart about it. They warned Wilson about the sinking of the Luisitania because they didn't want America to cease neutrality. Oh, well...
[01:27] Rhiannon Dragoone: Not to mention all the idiots going, "Oh, they'll never do it," after they were told that they were going to do it.
[01:27] Wol Euler: yep :)
[01:27] Wol Euler: one very good effect of WW1 was the decline of that kind of hereditary aristocratic power

[01:28] Rhiannon Dragoone: The one scene in Moon is a Harsh Mistress I could relate to because of reading history was when the lunar colonists lunched rocks at the Earth; giving people warning. The first meteor was going to crash in Niagara. Instead of evacuating, like the Lunies wanted them to, everyone went there to see the meteors fall from the sky. Which they did, with the impact of a 50 megation H Bomb
[01:28] Wol Euler: "my great-grandfather was pimp to the king, so it is natural and just that I should - without any training or experience - give orders to professional soldiers"
[01:29] Wol Euler nods.
[01:29] Rhiannon Dragoone: Wol, eventually, but a few years later, the aristocrats, who were trained and knew what they were doign, were talking orders from a Lance Corporal, who loved to take incredible risks.
[01:29] Wol Euler: true, it's not that simple :)
[01:30] Wol Euler: but he would never have been given that chance without the disaster and social upheaval
[01:30] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, and an attempt by Hindnberg and what's his name, to restore the monachy
[01:31] Rhiannon Dragoone: They thought Hitler was the best chance to make the Executive independent of the Parliament, but then he went aghead and made the Chancellory independent of the Presidency
[01:31] Wol Euler: mmhmm
[01:31] Rhiannon Dragoone: A slight miscalculation
[01:31] Wol Euler: indeed
[01:31] Wol Euler: when playing cat and mouse, it is best to know who is who.

[01:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: But yeah, I don't think we can really understand the desperation of the people back then. I tell my students--imagine your family has worked for a major corporation for generations. It's teetering on the brink of bankruptcy. Your UNcle's family business is belly up. There are no jobs for you, and you can't go to school to better yourself. And along comes this man who says "It's not your fault; I feel your pain; I need your help to make things better. To eliminate inflation, unemployment, and restore national pride."
[01:33] Rhiannon Dragoone: And they all agree that they would support such a man--put that way
[01:33] Wol Euler nods.
[01:34] Rhiannon Dragoone: And jeez, compared to modern politicians. He kept his promises, in spite of the reputation to the contray. He said that if he ever led Germany into a war they couldn't win, he would commit suicide. Well...
[01:34] Wol Euler: :)
[01:35] Rhiannon Dragoone: I mean, I'd be the first among the people who tried to assisnate him, don't ge me wrong. But I try to undertand, and not condemn
[01:35] Wol Euler: agreed

[01:36] Rhiannon Dragoone: So is this a contest you're entering? This project? Like for a contract?
[01:37] Wol Euler: yes, hoping for a next job
[01:37] Rhiannon Dragoone: How's it looking? That is, if you get everything done?
[01:37] Wol Euler: in Germany, I believe in all of Europe, any building put up with public funding must be awarded by competition
[01:37] Wol Euler: well, I think we have a good proposal
[01:37] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, same in the US
[01:38] Wol Euler: all the rooms are there, more or less in the right relationships
[01:38] Wol Euler: there are two good-sized schoolyards (it's a school :)
[01:38] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, that's good. ::imagines a room walled off from the rest of the building by mistake::
[01:38] Wol Euler: that last bit was a struggle :/
[01:38] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, wow. That would be a feather in your cap, if you were to get it.
[01:39] Wol Euler: funny, sometimes I think I am the only one in the office that remembers their own schooldays
[01:39] Rhiannon Dragoone: Schools are *very* public; could bring it a lot of future business

[01:39] Wol Euler: I really had to explain why it was a bad idea to have 2 of 3 chemistry rooms on the top floor and the third on the floor beliw
[01:39] Wol Euler: *below
[01:39] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, because of the possibility of an explosion?
[01:40] Wol Euler: no, because teachers don't want to carry lab gear up and down the stairs!
[01:40] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh! Duh!
[01:40] Wol Euler: but yes, they all belong on the top floor so they can be vented
[01:40] Rhiannon Dragoone: NOrth sea, techers not wanting to carry eequipment; I think my brain is telling me I need sleep
[01:40] Wol Euler: heheheheheh
[01:40] Rhiannon Dragoone: Yeah, that's what I was thinking
[01:41] Rhiannon Dragoone: One of my friends was telling me of an experiment in his High School; someone had switched salt for sugar...heh
[01:41] Rhiannon Dragoone: The chemicals when combined were supposed to make a white precipitate; instead flames erupted out of the vials and black smoke. People were competing to see how much smoke and flames.
[01:41] Wol Euler grins.
[01:41] Rhiannon Dragoone: Need vents for days when everything goes wrong...

[01:42] Wol Euler: I think we stand a pretty good chance with this one
[01:43] Wol Euler: but you never know
[01:43] Wol Euler: the people who will judge it are often not the ones who wrote the briefing documents
[01:43] Rhiannon Dragoone: Of course, "the race is not always to the swift," as Ecclesiastes said. And I heard some follow comment, "No, but it's the way to bet."
[01:43] Wol Euler: sometimes you look at the published results and see that the judges had an ideal form in mind, and yours was not that form
[01:43] Wol Euler: square instead of round, whatever
[01:44] Wol Euler: that risk is always there
[01:44] Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah.
[01:44] Rhiannon Dragoone: But it's not wasted effort. If you did your best, worked out a great design, the next time will be easier.
[01:44] Wol Euler: absolutely
[01:44] Wol Euler: and it goes on the website :)
[01:44] Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, cool. :)
[01:45] Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, I imagine you are about to start that process, and I do need to be thinking about bed.
[01:45] Rhiannon Dragoone: Glad I could keep you company
[01:45] Wol Euler smiles.
[01:45] Wol Euler: goodnight, rhi, sleep well
[01:45] Wol Euler: regards to Rosalyn
[01:46] Rhiannon Dragoone: ty! Esp---->thinking about Rosalyn
[01:46] Wol Euler smiles.
[01:46] Rhiannon Dragoone: Nite! or G'day, as your day is starting.