2012.05.15 13:00 - Well Crafted Words and Non-Judgment

Eliza posted this session from the auto-listener database...

[13:08] Korel Laloix: Heya
[13:09] Korel Laloix: Quite so far.
[13:09] Korel Laloix: OH OK.
[13:09] Korel Laloix: I never remember my dreams, so it is no good to me.
[13:10] Santoshima Resident: not at all?
[13:10] Korel Laloix: Maybe remember five in my life.
[13:10] Korel Laloix: All were not pleasant.
[13:10] Santoshima Resident: must have been significant ones
[13:11] Santoshima Resident: hi Raffila
[13:11] Korel Laloix: Heya
[13:11] Raffila Millgrove: hi Korek, hi Santa
[13:11] Santoshima Resident: santa!!

[13:11] Korel Laloix: They are all about me being helpless to help people.
[13:11] Korel Laloix: So I am proably glad I don't remember them.
[13:12] Santoshima Resident: {dreams, Raffi }
[13:12] Korel Laloix: Thank you for sitting next to me...
[13:12] Santoshima Resident: oh, yeah,
[13:12] Korel Laloix: I like it when the crowd groubs up.
[13:12] Santoshima Resident: likewise
[13:12] Korel Laloix: groups
[13:12] Korel Laloix: Ignore my typing today.
[13:13] Santoshima Resident: & a special cushion you have there
[13:13] Korel Laloix: Want one?
[13:13] Santoshima Resident: ok

[13:13] Santoshima Resident: you run in those shoes?
[13:14] Korel Laloix: No trans.
[13:14] Korel Laloix: Not running at all the week.
[13:14] Santoshima Resident: yeah, most things seem to be that
[13:14] Korel Laloix: I have ran in heels before, but not on purpose...
[13:15] Korel Laloix: It is not as bad as you woul think though.
[13:16] Korel Laloix: Try that.
[13:16] Raffila Millgrove: having some problem. cannot read chat
[13:16] Raffila Millgrove: oh there we go.
[13:16] Santoshima Resident: oh good
[13:16] Korel Laloix: Lag.
[13:16] Korel Laloix: ?
[13:17] Raffila Millgrove: hard to explain. skip it.
[13:17] Korel Laloix: OK.

[13:17] Raffila Millgrove: i made comment santa on the... session where you talked body mapping.
[13:17] Korel Laloix: I think the topic for the week is judgement.
[13:17] Santoshima Resident: ah!! thought that might be
[13:17] Korel Laloix: Body mapping?
[13:17] Korel Laloix: What is that?
[13:18] Raffila Millgrove: you said you thought it might be a comment considered spirtually vague and in fact i disagree and think it was a fabulous concrete.. description.
[13:18] Korel Laloix: SOunds fun... grins
[13:18] Santoshima Resident: dunno
[13:18] Santoshima Resident: whatever you imagine it to be, i guess
[13:18] Korel Laloix: Heya
[13:18] Raffila Millgrove: it was very clear .. and nothing vague in the least.
[13:18] Raffila Millgrove: and interesting too.. that you connect with sounds.

[13:19] Korel Laloix: OH... can we get a recap then please?
[13:19] Raffila Millgrove: as a writer i found sometimes to write of the sense of smell and sound was not easy.
[13:19] Santoshima Resident: howso? difficult in what way?
[13:20] Raffila Millgrove: oh.. often times the words are limited. and you end up saying sounds like (x) smells like (x)
[13:20] Santoshima Resident: ah yes
[13:20] Raffila Millgrove: and if i say to you smells like green grass.. how do i know.. what green grass might smell like to you.
[13:20] Raffila Millgrove: and you end up using words ... to describe a sensation that is NOT words.
[13:21] Raffila Millgrove: sound isn't words.. smell, or taste.. they are not words.. visual.. you can use the words. but for the rest. it's awful.

[13:21] Korel Laloix: I have a real diificulty with what you are talkign about.. That is another area where I run out of English quickly.
[13:21] Raffila Millgrove: awful difficult.
[13:21] Korel Laloix: I have not done much crative writing though.
[13:22] Raffila Millgrove: Kori, santa was at this session and she tried to describe something.. and she said.. maybe that is a vague description. but i thought.. she chose her words pretty well in doing this description.
[13:22] Santoshima Resident: ty, raffi
[13:22] Raffila Millgrove: and it wasn't vaguely spiritual and infact.. had boxy read it--i am pretty sure he'd agree.

[13:23] Korel Laloix: I do enjoy well crafted words.

[13:23] Santoshima Resident: somebody want to claim this conversation on the recorder?
[13:23] Raffila Millgrove: i am not him, but i am semi confident that i have an idea of what he's asking for... or wishes. i mention to you yesterday in an Im.
[13:23] Santoshima Resident: yes
[13:23] Korel Laloix: I can if you like.
[13:23] Raffila Millgrove: and he asked me.. to come. to talk.. .yet i told him.. i don't think so .. boxy. There's many difference of understanding/opinion/styles.
[13:24] Raffila Millgrove: i did come to .. be by him. but i cannot help much in the "talking" part. i am too new. i don't have the trust or respect of the older ones.
[13:25] Korel Laloix: There are some you never really get in with I think...
[13:25] Santoshima Resident: forebearance, then

[13:25] Raffila Millgrove: in fact. when i said.. one comment.. in that 1 am session .. Pema says.. well we have practical things like the 99 day project. and i reply.. that seems to be about learning languages.. Pema put up the link.. as tho i don't know what the 99 project is.
[13:25] Santoshima Resident: right
[13:26] Raffila Millgrove: and I do know. and that was my point.. that all the feedback i had heard.. was from those who chose to use the days. learning a foreign language. and their progress in it. i was right on point.
[13:26] Korel Laloix: Sometimes the context is not clear for sure.
[13:26] Raffila Millgrove: but pema didn't understand me.
[13:26] Raffila Millgrove: so i shut up there as it wasn't helpful and even tho boxy wanted me to talk.. i wouldn't.
[13:26] Santoshima Resident: i see
[13:26] Korel Laloix: Understandable.
[13:26] Korel Laloix: Sometimes there are akward moments.
[13:27] Korel Laloix: I just keep talking and annoy people... but that is my style... smiles
[13:27] Raffila Millgrove: yes, but if one cannot communicate.. one becomes frustrated. i know boxy felt very frustrated too.
[13:27] Santoshima Resident: yes, it seemed so
[13:28] Korel Laloix: That is very true.
[13:28] Raffila Millgrove: because altho pema responded to him with alacrity and genuine desire to. grow. it got a lot more complicated fast.
[13:28] Santoshima Resident: yes
[13:28] Raffila Millgrove: genuine desire for PaB to grow i mean.
[13:28] Santoshima Resident: understood

[13:28] Korel Laloix: Those are the times that it is good to just slow the chat down.
[13:29] Korel Laloix: brb
[13:29] Santoshima Resident: k
[13:29] Raffila Millgrove: hb
[13:29] Santoshima Resident: 'll find a shirt in the meanwhile
[13:29] Raffila Millgrove: ah i just notice you are wearing a beautiful underwear, santa.
[13:29] Raffila Millgrove: you can come to a fetish dance in that. hehe
[13:29] Santoshima Resident: ty! i love sl underwear
[13:29] Santoshima Resident: it's a blast
[13:32] Santoshima Resident: hi Zon ~
[13:32] Korel Laloix: Yes.. Sl knickers are lovely.
[13:32] Raffila Millgrove: hi Zon
[13:32] Korel Laloix: But the really nice ones are far more comfortable here.... grins
[13:32] Raffila Millgrove smiles.
[13:33] Raffila Millgrove doesn't want to think on undewear or she goes off into her belly worries. lol
[13:33] Korel Laloix: And a heck of a lot cheper.
[13:33] Santoshima Resident: oohhh ...
[13:33] Raffila Millgrove: lol
[13:33] Raffila Millgrove: i will be good i promise. How goes it Zon?
[13:33] Zon Kwan: good good
[13:34] Korel Laloix: We were having a chat about talking about knickers.
[13:34] Raffila Millgrove: did you sign up for the 99 days?
[13:34] Zon Kwan: ah..interesting
[13:34] Zon Kwan: 99 days ?
[13:34] Korel Laloix: A different set every day for 99 days.
[13:34] Zon Kwan: may i see
[13:34] Raffila Millgrove: lol Korel. omg you are so funny!
[13:34] Korel Laloix: Rafi will model.
[13:34] Santoshima Resident: you missed that part of the program
[13:34] Raffila Millgrove: hahaha. i am dying.
[13:34] Zon Kwan: :(
[13:34] Korel Laloix smiles
[13:34] Raffila Millgrove: and it's not even Friday.
[13:35] Korel Laloix: Actually that woudl be funny, modeling a new set of SL undies every day for 99 days.
[13:35] Raffila Millgrove: Zon that 99 days that is the opportunity to get with other Pabs, pick something that you want to do every day.. and do it.. for 99 days.
[13:35] Korel Laloix: Not sure that would really be in line with the idea though.
[13:35] Raffila Millgrove: i think.. this is their 3rd round of it.
[13:35] Santoshima Resident: sure it would, korel
[13:35] Santoshima Resident: good enough

[13:36] Raffila Millgrove: but actually Korel.. it's open like that.. for anything.. that is important to you... to encourage you to forge ahead and do it.
[13:36] Korel Laloix: Might have to ask for donations though.. expensive even in SL..
[13:36] Korel Laloix: Actaully, I did look at a couple of topics.
[13:36] Santoshima Resident: i'll see if any {new, of course} is transferrable .... a moment
[13:37] Korel Laloix: And was thinking of going with the enxt cycle.
[13:37] Raffila Millgrove: can someone put up the link to the page for Zon.. and i cannot find it.
[13:37] Korel Laloix: ON sec.
[13:38] Santoshima Resident: sorry, korel, everything lacy is no transfer
[13:38] Korel Laloix: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Classes_and_Sessions/The_99_Days_project?highlight=99
[13:38] Santoshima Resident: { or is that lacey }
[13:38] Korel Laloix: Thank you for thinking of me though.
[13:38] Korel Laloix: Or racey.
[13:38] Zon Kwan: thx
[13:39] Santoshima Resident: sorry i tried to turn the foountain down, and knocked out your claim, korel
[13:39] Korel Laloix: I did not claim it.. just asked if you wanted me to.
[13:39] Korel Laloix: We could do a 99 days of PaB Girls calender thing.
[13:39] Korel Laloix grins
[13:40] Santoshima Resident: Zone gone?
[13:40] Santoshima Resident: Zone = Zon
[13:40] Santoshima Resident: {typo }
[13:40] Korel Laloix: Apparently.
[13:40] Santoshima Resident: oh dear
[13:40] Korel Laloix: We scared him off.
[13:40] Santoshima Resident: oh dear
[13:40] Korel Laloix: I think the last round of 99 started on april 4th.
[13:40] Raffila Millgrove: well someone claim the session please.
[13:41] Raffila Millgrove: ?
[13:41] Korel Laloix: Got it.
[13:41] Santoshima Resident: ty
[13:41] Raffila Millgrove: i think Zon maybe crashed..
[13:41] Raffila Millgrove: ty Korel
[13:41] Korel Laloix: NO worries.

[13:42] Korel Laloix: For teh next round I was thinking of looking up a different woman saint for 99 days.
[13:42] Raffila Millgrove: sometimes when i click a link to open browser, with my old computer. that would crash me. too much on the ssytem.
[13:42] Korel Laloix: Ah.. that could do it.
[13:42] Raffila Millgrove: oh that would be a Great proejct Korel.
[13:42] Korel Laloix: I think so.
[13:42] Raffila Millgrove: oh gosh yes. they used to have such fabulous women's studies programs in colleges..
[13:43] Korel Laloix: I do want to do a theology degree sometime... and that would be something along those lines that is not too academic.
[13:43] Raffila Millgrove: yep here he is. i knew he crashed.
[13:43] Santoshima Resident: wb, Zon!
[13:43] Zon Kwan: ty
[13:43] Raffila Millgrove: wb Zon
[13:43] Korel Laloix: We thought our underewear conversation chased you off.
[13:43] Raffila Millgrove: haha. we are teasing.
[13:44] Zon Kwan: noo
[13:44] Korel Laloix: I don't have a lot of knickers though.. I keep my inventory under 333..
[13:44] Zon Kwan: i became interested
[13:44] Korel Laloix: So not a lo tof stuff just sitting there.
[13:44] Zon Kwan: of the colors
[13:44] Zon Kwan: gtg...see ya
[13:44] Raffila Millgrove: i have 27,000 but i am very short on good underwear. i don't really have much reason to have it.
[13:44] Santoshima Resident: bye Zon ~
[13:45] Raffila Millgrove: the colors? of underwear?
[13:45] Raffila Millgrove: mm
[13:47] Korel Laloix: How is that?... smiles
[13:47] Raffila Millgrove: i dunno. he said he was interested in the colors... strange. most men really arent' interested in the "color" of the underwear.
[13:48] Raffila Millgrove: wow look at that outfit.
[13:48] Korel Laloix: lol
[13:48] Raffila Millgrove: love the stockings.
[13:48] Korel Laloix: Never worn this... just won it from Pinks.
[13:48] Raffila Millgrove: those those are so giant tho.. are you sure you got those on right?
[13:48] Santoshima Resident: yeah, nice
[13:49] Korel Laloix: Finding lingerie in RL is horridly hard for me.
[13:49] Raffila Millgrove: i skip it. i have only really old stuff.
[13:49] Korel Laloix: I can get stockings from stockingirl on occation.
[13:49] Raffila Millgrove: is it because you are tiny petite person?
[13:49] Korel Laloix: But my only really nice stuff is some Agent Provocateur that was tailored small.
[13:50] Korel Laloix: Yes.
[13:50] Raffila Millgrove: oh pretty.
[13:50] Raffila Millgrove: i never thought about it.. but i imagine there really isn't much around for real small sizes.
[13:51] Korel Laloix: Well.. there is some.. but it is the sort of really sleazy child looking stuff.
[13:51] Raffila Millgrove: for a few years that breast augmentation was the most popular surgery in the US. my husband and i think women look horrible all fakey with their giant fake boobies. i hope it's dying down.
[13:51] Santoshima Resident: as the class action suits stack up
[13:51] Korel Laloix: I do like curves though... smiles

[13:53] Raffila Millgrove: we probably should have said something profound on judgement.
[13:53] Raffila Millgrove: it's only Tuesday.
[13:53] Raffila Millgrove: i couldn't think of anything.
[13:53] Santoshima Resident: oh, right ... the topic
[13:53] Raffila Millgrove: it's not a topic i .. care about. one way or the other. i guess that's bad to say. but it's the truth.
[13:53] Korel Laloix: So you are judging the topic?
[13:54] Korel Laloix grins
[13:54] Raffila Millgrove: i already.. deal with it personally long ago and i cannot do much to affect others choices. so.. for me.. it's over.
[13:54] Korel Laloix: I get a lot of judgement in my life.
[13:54] Raffila Millgrove: no. i just am saying.. it's not relevant to me personally. I am neutral about the choice of it.
[13:54] Korel Laloix: Which is why I wear the annoying title alot.
[13:55] Raffila Millgrove: well we.. talked about it. i am against this idea of that... tag. but i am not you.. so that's just an opinon. and not based on.. how you feel. i accept you feel you like to wear it.
[13:55] Raffila Millgrove: i guess it helps you?
[13:56] Raffila Millgrove: you told me that you accept.. that you are found annoying and are embracing that.
[13:56] Korel Laloix: I probably over use it.
[13:56] Raffila Millgrove: that was my understanding of why you wear it.
[13:56] Raffila Millgrove: a. i don't think you are annoying. b. so therefore this tag.. it confuses me..
[13:56] Santoshima Resident: judgement: like, don't like / simple
[13:56] Korel Laloix: There are just so many people that really cantstand the way I think... based on their sterotypes.

[13:57] Raffila Millgrove: but i love the way you think.
[13:57] Santoshima Resident: have Never found you as annoying, Korel
[13:57] Raffila Millgrove: because it's You. it's very critical thinking..
[13:57] Raffila Millgrove: you have thought about it.. and express your thoughts. i like that. you don't follow the sheep.. you think for yourself.
[13:58] Korel Laloix: Thank you.. I do apprecaite that.
[13:58] Raffila Millgrove: i get annoyed naturally because--not because you are annoying but because you don't appreciate yourself enough.
[13:58] Santoshima Resident: sheep, not sheep / simple
[13:58] Korel Laloix smiles
[13:58] Raffila Millgrove: i shouldn't have to tell you this stuff. you should know already.. that you are a cool girl and a good thinker.
[13:58] Korel Laloix: Thanks..
[13:58] Korel Laloix: I do fall off the self esteeam platform quite a bit.
[13:58] Raffila Millgrove: yes.
[13:58] Korel Laloix: But I do get back up quicly.
[13:59] Raffila Millgrove helps Korel step back up on her cool girl platform.
[13:59] Raffila Millgrove: lol
[13:59] Raffila Millgrove: haha too bad Zon left before she got her good underwear on. we could ask him how he likes black.
[13:59] Raffila Millgrove: lol
[13:59] Korel Laloix: lol
[14:00] Korel Laloix: I am liking the 99 days of knickers though now.
[14:00] Santoshima Resident: :)
[14:00] Raffila Millgrove: I have to run. Korel you really should title this session at 99 days of knickers!
[14:00] Raffila Millgrove blows a kiss to santa and Korel.
[14:00] Santoshima Resident: bye raffi !
[14:01] Santoshima Resident: {uh, San, btw }
[14:01] Korel Laloix: ciao

[14:02] Santoshima Resident: { "santa" is so unseasonal ... and the moniker is going to limit my underwear choices }
[14:02] Korel Laloix: I will start my collection.
[14:02] Santoshima Resident: excellent
[14:03] Korel Laloix: So by the time it starts next cycle, I will have 99 outfits ready to go.... smiles
[14:03] Santoshima Resident: lol
[14:03] Korel Laloix: Wounder if this will get me unguardianed...
[14:03] Korel Laloix: So if you find any, please let me know.
[14:03] Santoshima Resident: ok, try free dove to start
[14:03] Korel Laloix: I have a pro SL photographer friend that I will see if she can help.
[14:04] Korel Laloix: Thanks.
[14:04] Santoshima Resident: & nobel rot
[14:04] Korel Laloix: Ok.. back to RL for a while.
[14:04] Santoshima Resident: me too
[14:04] Santoshima Resident: bye for now
[14:04] Santoshima Resident: delightful to see you
[14:05] Korel Laloix: You to.. ciao.
[14:05] Santoshima Resident: ciao for now