2012.05.20 13:00 – Art in Motion

The Guardian for this meeting was Aphrodite Macbain. The comments are by Aphrodite Macbain.

Wol Euler: hello storm, bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi Wol and Storm :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu, Storm, Wol
Bleu Oleander: and Eliza
Storm Nordwind: Hi!
Eliza Madrigal: Wol, do you have a note card from the art workshop?
Bleu Oleander: how was the workshop?
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful
Bleu Oleander: Adams does such a nice job!
Eliza Madrigal: indeed, and Mariagra
Bleu Oleander: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: and someone attended asking fantastic questions too
Bleu Oleander: nice
Eliza Madrigal: very interesting... iconography

Eliza Madrigal: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: hi :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hello!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce
Bleu Oleander: hi Bruce, San :)
Santoshima Resident: hello everyone ~

Bleu Oleander: has everyone seen Storm's cool motion in the dome?
Wol Euler: not yet :)
Bruce Mowbray: not yet.
Bleu Oleander: must have a look
Santoshima Resident: not yet {& drat, i forgot about adams' talk today}
Storm Nordwind: Also good when time is set to midnight :)
Eliza Madrigal: Yes!
Bleu Oleander: yes :)
Storm Nordwind: Or sky to "Silent Hill" or similar. :)
Bleu Oleander: "silent hill" sounds interesting
Bleu Oleander: do I have that?
Eliza Madrigal: I laid down there for a bit ... relaxing
Storm Nordwind: Phoenix has it. Maybe Firestorm too.
Bleu Oleander: not v3 :(
Wol Euler: I can send you them all, bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: so many options @@
Wol Euler: I have a ZIP archive of them somewhere
Bleu Oleander: oh ty!!
Wol Euler: just unpack them and restart
Bleu Oleander: very nice ty!

Art in Motion

Bleu Oleander: so we were going to talk about motion?
Bleu Oleander: any questions to start?
Eliza Madrigal: missing Aph it seems...(Aph was travelling home and moving at a painfully slow pace)
Bleu Oleander: I thought she was coming
Bruce Mowbray: Zeno said all movement is impossible -- How's that for a start?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: that must be why he starved to death :)
Wol Euler: unable to lift his fork
Bleu Oleander: u have some splainin' to do Bruce :)
Bruce Mowbray looks around for Aph -- surmises that she's not here because movement is impossible.
Wol Euler: oh, he didn't? funny that.
Storm Nordwind: Zen must be talking about the railway system in his neck of the woods! ;)
Bruce Mowbray: In order to go from any point "A" to any point "B"
Bruce Mowbray: you first have to go through a halfway point between the two.
Bruce Mowbray: Therefore, you can't go anywhere
Bleu Oleander: infinite halfway points?
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers. Infinitity of halfways.
Bruce Mowbray: (Good excuse not to do exercises, huh?
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Storm Nordwind: I'm already there. I'm just coming back again. ;)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Bleu Oleander: so assuming motion is possible :)
Bleu Oleander: how can we depict it in art?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, let's start there, Bleu.
Wol Euler: anyone else want the wind light skies from phoenix, while I'm at it?
Santoshima Resident: ys, please
Wol Euler: okay
Eliza Madrigal: have already too many sky variations but thank you
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: me too, please, Woly.
Wol Euler: ok
Bleu Oleander: I have two simple examples of movement in prims/textures
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps one way of depicting motion in art would be like the cubists (some, anyway) did -- like a bunch of boxes falling down a stairway. . . and each box shows the next part of the sequence.
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh! SO COOL!
Bleu Oleander: you can take copies of those
Bruce Mowbray: rotation of box, and rotation of texture!
Bleu Oleander: and use the scripts if you want
Santoshima Resident: could they expand and contract?
Eliza Madrigal: oh, I see... interesting...
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: sure do anything you want to them
Bleu Oleander: so starting very simple :)
Bleu Oleander: movement doesn't actually have to move to show movement
Bleu Oleander: as Bruce was mentioning
Bleu Oleander: lots of artists used interesting ways to show movement

Santoshima Resident: greetings radar53

Radar53 Resident: hi

Santoshima Resident: i see                              
Bruce Mowbray: My "take copy" does light up when I click on the rotating box.
Storm Nordwind: They can be made to expand and contract, yes, but the smoothness of their doing so will depend entirely on the frame rate of the viewer's computer. Tech speak: Use LlSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast()
Bruce Mowbray: nor on the rotating texture.
Bleu Oleander: I also did a notecard for you that shows some interesting LM's and websites

Santoshima Resident: hi Zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi San :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen and Korel
Zen Arado: Hi all
Korel Laloix: Heya
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen and Korel
Zen Arado: TY Bleu

Bleu Oleander: we're talking about motion and how to depict it
Zen Arado: forgot about that
Bleu Oleander: have you been to the Particle Lab?

Bleu Oleander: particle lab is a good place to go to learn some basic scripting
Bleu Oleander: also some free scripts there
Santoshima Resident: how to take a copy of these, Bleu?
Bleu Oleander: just click on them and take
Santoshima Resident: doesn't seem to work
Bruce Mowbray: Doesn't work, Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: nor for me
Bleu Oleander: ah ok forgot about the texture
Bleu Oleander: one sec
Bleu Oleander: does it work now?
Bruce Mowbray: nope.
Wol Euler: back, hello zen eliza korel
Zen Arado: wb Wol
Bleu Oleander: the scripts are on the note card
Santoshima Resident: ty
Bleu Oleander: so any ideas or questions re: motion ?

Bleu Oleander: hi Eos
Wol Euler: hello eos
Zen Arado: Hi Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Aphrodite MacBain
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Eos :)

Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Aphrodite!
Wol Euler: hello aph
Zen Arado: Hi Aph
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite
Bleu Oleander: hey Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi - just got back home! :-)
Santoshima Resident: wb, aph

Eliza Madrigal: lovely dress color
Bleu Oleander: nice Bruce :)
Eliza Madrigal: I am working on motion as 'suggested' rather than making motion with a script
Zen Arado: moving water is easy but everyone will do that?
Zen Arado: I said it first anyway :)
Eliza Madrigal: many different expressions for moving water Zen :) hah
Santoshima Resident: what moves you?
Bleu Oleander: I'm not doing that Zen
Zen Arado: water ;)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray thinks: Blub has GOT to see this.
Zen Arado: Blub would lie it anyway ;)
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm hoping to create a teeter totter effect- addressing balance and equanimity
Eliza Madrigal: nice idea

Making scripts

Zen Arado: everybody knows Scriptme site?
Santoshima Resident: nope
Zen Arado: http://www.3greeneggs.com/autoscript/
Eos Amaterasu: ¿
Zen Arado: handy way to make simple scripts
Wol Euler: oooh
Santoshima Resident: thanks!
Bleu Oleander: yes, nice Zen ty!
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps if you made the cubes for sale -- say at L0 -- then we could "buy" them, Bleu.
Zen Arado: Bleu told me about that many exhibitions ago :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: I included another script site on the notecard
--BELL--
Bleu Oleander: script generator
Bleu Oleander: lots of free scripts at the LM's on the notecard
Eos Amaterasu: What are the smallest increments you can move something by?
Wol Euler: I believe 1cm
Aphrodite Macbain: 9 nanoseconds
Eos Amaterasu: ok, thnx
Eos Amaterasu: ah
Eos Amaterasu: wups
Bruce Mowbray: WOW! Thanks, Zen
Santoshima Resident: Bleu, is there a template for size of sculpture? at the prim's workshop?

Bleu Oleander: wb Storm :)
Zen Arado: wb Storm

Bleu Oleander: size is limited to 4m x 4m x 4m
Storm Nordwind was just coping with a thermal shutdown
Aphrodite Macbain: ??
Zen Arado: quite big
Eos Amaterasu: 64 cu feet
Bleu Oleander: doesn't have to be that big though
Zen Arado: yep

Someone rezzs a box 8x8x8 and twirls it
Storm Nordwind: make it stop!! >.<
Santoshima Resident: please
Eos Amaterasu: disco cube
Bleu Oleander: sorry, yes quite annoying :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Does everyone have a plan about what they are going to make?
Santoshima Resident: sorta
Storm Nordwind: Please do nothing in your exhibit that will distract from neighboring exhibits. So please choose SLOW rotation speeds!
Bruce Mowbray: Looks like Zeno was wrong.
Aphrodite Macbain: Zeno?
Bleu Oleander: yes, ty Storm
Bruce Mowbray: tell ya later, Aph.
Eos Amaterasu: half wrong
Eliza Madrigal: <--keeping simple, nearly finished...
Zen Arado: paradoxically
Eliza Madrigal: looking for very tiny frog
Aphrodite Macbain recollects something about "Zeno's reforms"
Zen Arado: remembers his paradox
Aphrodite Macbain: forget
Eos Amaterasu: to get somewhere you have to get half-way there, ... etc....
Bruce Mowbray: I gave you an IM about it, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes. I am pondering it. Thanks!

Storm Nordwind: And also please remember that if you have a rotating cube, your cube must be much less than 4 meters. If it's rotating horizontally, only 2.8 meters will be allowed
Bruce Mowbray: kk, thanks Storm.
Bleu Oleander: also good point ... ty Storm :)
Bruce Mowbray: Does it automatically find the center axis to rotate around?
Storm Nordwind: When in doubt, please consult Mr. Pythagoras :)
Bruce Mowbray: or might it find a corner....?

Bruce Mowbray: kk. Thanks.
Aphrodite Macbain: I hope I can find a teeter totter animation
 

Wol Euler: prims always rotate around their middles
Eos Amaterasu: especially when they get old
Wol Euler: if you want "fancy" rotation, what you have to do is to link up a set of prims, so that they rotate around the middle of the root prim
Bruce Mowbray: You mean, when prims are no longer in their prime?

Storm Nordwind watches the collective eyes glaze over
Wol Euler: hehehehe
Bleu Oleander: @@
Aphrodite Macbain: snzzzz
Wol Euler: okay, short answer is "yes"
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: "so that they rotate around the center of the root prim...." (Bruce takes note.
Eos Amaterasu: can you script moving your arm?
Aphrodite Macbain thinks “Thank god I have 2 weeks”
Wol Euler: you can animate that
Wol Euler: not script as such
Storm Nordwind: I always have to move my arm to script Eos! ;-))
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Wol Euler: boom boom!
Aphrodite Macbain is getting confused again
Storm Nordwind plays a rimshot
Bleu Oleander: :)

Galaxies in a box

Aphrodite Macbain wonders why Eliza has the galaxy on her lap
Wol Euler: brb
Eos Amaterasu: in her lap she holds the whole world in her lap
Storm Nordwind: Because she's a star!
Aphrodite Macbain: and Bruce has it on his back
Eliza Madrigal: :) worlds within worlds...
Eliza Madrigal shares a galaxy with Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks, that helps
Zen Arado: buy one get one free
Eliza Madrigal: doesn't reduce by being shared, wow
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: It's not heavy at all!
Zen Arado: are galaxies as thin as that?
Aphrodite Macbain: It's all the hot gasses
Eos Amaterasu: super galaxies are

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Boxy
Zen Arado: Hi boxy
Bleu Oleander: hey boxy
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Boxy
Bruce Mowbray: Hey Boxy!

Alfred Kelberry: is it a prim workshop?
Bleu Oleander: motion conversation boxy
Bleu Oleander: ideas about how to interpret motion theme
Alfred Kelberry: *scratches off some nuts from woly and noms* :)

  --BELL--

Alfred Kelberry: you all seem to have one galactic idea :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I like the way my galaxy matches my dress.
Bruce Mowbray: Great galaxies think alike, Boxy.
Eliza Madrigal: galactic group think Boxy
Alfred Kelberry: no groupthinks, please :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) like when we all became boxes...
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: brb
Storm Nordwind: Boxy can you make your box phantom please? :)
Eos Amaterasu: I mostly see boxes rotating
Alfred Kelberry: sorry, it's a wall :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I was thinking of using the idea of concurrent movement and stillness
Bleu Oleander: nice Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: and trying to find a way of illustrating it.
Aphrodite Macbain: through a teeter totter with the still point in the centre maybe
Eos Amaterasu: concurrent movement and stillness: nowness
Aphrodite Macbain: yessness
Bleu Oleander: will be interested to see how you do that Aph :)
Aphrodite Macbain: cant quite imagine what I would put in the centre and what I would put on each end point. Perhaps the universe in the centre
Aphrodite Macbain: with an elephant on one side and a humming bird at the other

Zen Arado: nice tartan box :)
Bruce Mowbray: Nova Scotia tartan, actually.

Eos Amaterasu: (must disperse in direction of supper..... bye all .... ciao!)
Bleu Oleander: bye Eos :)
Zen Arado: ciao Eos
Wol Euler: bye eos, bon appetit
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye Eos
Bruce Mowbray: Bye, Eos!
Santoshima Resident: bye eos

Aphrodite Macbain: Is that a wall I see next to Eliza?

Santoshima Resident: { so long }
Aphrodite Macbain: and Boxy
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye San

Bleu Oleander: bye San

Alfred Kelberry: the motion project is a good test to see who was good in trigonometry in school :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Uh oh
Aphrodite Macbain: Or to see who has trigonometrist friends...
Bleu Oleander: trig is optional
Eliza Madrigal: here :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu- how can I balance something on a ball, do you think?
Wol Euler: if they are not physical, just put them there, they'll stay. gravity only works on physical objects

Bleu Oleander: one prim on top of a ball?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes Bleu - a moving ball

Eliza Madrigal: (bye Eos and San)

Wol Euler: (meditation with Bertram in 6 minutes)

Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks I think I will need it (meditation). I have just got off a ferry and need to settle.

Eliza Madrigal: have been online a bit too much today... event after event... motion to stop now :)
Aphrodite Macbain: smiles at Eliza
Storm Nordwind: seconded :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye.
Bleu Oleander: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for doing this Bleu.
Bruce Mowbray: thirded.
Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, BLEU!!!
Aphrodite Macbain: You are an inspiration
Bleu Oleander: not sure how helpful but yw!
Aphrodite Macbain: and a motivator
Zen Arado: gives us something to think about...ty Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: thanks so much Bleu, and Storm
Storm Nordwind: For more inspiration, check out the way I've decorated the ceiling of the Art Dome
Wol Euler: will do!
Bruce Mowbray: Got to do some prim design . . . May all be well!
Wol Euler: bye everyone, take care, be happy and mobile
Bleu Oleander: yes, check out Storm's Dome
Zen Arado: bye all
Aphrodite Macbain: can’t see where I'm going (wearing a universe on her head)
Aphrodite Macbain: whew
Bleu Oleander: bye all
Eliza Madrigal: night friends
Storm Nordwind waves
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye everyone. Thanks for coming. Good luck with your pieces