2012.05.21 07:00 - Otherlessness Hmm

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: just playing with windlight settings...
Bleu Oleander: oh yes, fun!
Bleu Oleander: designing your own is fun too
Eliza Madrigal: well I like this almost antique-y one I found...
Eliza Madrigal: so many choices
Bleu Oleander: can get some great effects!
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure if we are having a theme this morning...
Eliza Madrigal: suppose it will depend on who arrives :)
Bleu Oleander: I saw we had a couple of "motion" pieces in the dome already
Bleu Oleander: so I added one of mine too
Eliza Madrigal: ah, more than Xiri and Storm?
Eliza Madrigal: will have a look
Bleu Oleander: Bruce too
Eliza Madrigal: nice
Bleu Oleander: and did you see Storm's new train car?
Bleu Oleander: quite futuristic!
Eliza Madrigal cams
Bleu Oleander: top opens when it pulls in to the station
Eliza Madrigal: okay, I'm situated to see when it zooms in
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: If no theme I'd love to ask you about the book you mentioned last week, Strangers to Ourselves
Bleu Oleander: ah ok
Bleu Oleander: Timothy Wilson
Eliza Madrigal: what is the premise?
Bleu Oleander: one sec rl calling
Eliza Madrigal: sure
Eliza Madrigal sees new train car! :)))
Bleu Oleander: ok back
Bleu Oleander: sorry pups going after birds
Bleu Oleander: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza, Bleu :)
Eliza Madrigal: seems neither pema nor boxy will make it for a science theme (guess neither felt clear), but I asked Bleu to say a bit about "Strangers to Ourselves"
Bleu Oleander: it's about how much we can know about ourselves through introspection
Bleu Oleander: about the unconscious
Eliza Madrigal: ah, I think I have heard of this...
Zen Arado: sounds like meditation?
Eliza Madrigal: the limits of introspection, which has been our best tool for a while

Bleu Oleander: much is unconscious and not available
Bleu Oleander: although much can be learned also
Eliza Madrigal: are there new angles of exploration?

Eliza Madrigal: there is some idea we can see our unconscious by looking at our lives
Bleu Oleander: yes, I think we can
Bleu Oleander: also through others

Eliza Madrigal: which others does one believe? :)
Bleu Oleander: well, can one believe oneself either?
Eliza Madrigal: no I'd be highly suspicious of that one

Zen Arado: are you doing a prersentation first Bleu?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: or can we discuss now?
Bleu Oleander: wasn't planning on doing a presentation
Zen Arado: ah ok
Bleu Oleander: been many years since I read the book
Eliza Madrigal: I was just curious Zen, so asked... so we're discussing
Bleu Oleander: but perhaps we could do it as a theme some week?
Bleu Oleander: would be fun to refresh and talk about

Zen Arado: 'Incognito' was on those lines
Bleu Oleander: yes, another more recent book
Bleu Oleander: I'm a fan of David Eaglemans
Zen Arado: he is so young too :)
Bleu Oleander: did you read "Sum"?

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: a wonderful little book
Eliza Madrigal: "This little book is teeming, writhing with imagination." - Los Angeles Times
Zen Arado: no just Incognito
Eliza Madrigal: I suppose the basic idea of introspection having severe limits is that, as with someone criticizing a work of art for instance, they are doing so from an assumed place of their own taste
Eliza Madrigal: of course people can come from varying degrees of background knowledge and experience
Eliza Madrigal: but prob still looking for particular things

Bleu Oleander: yes, Wilson talks about the difference between self-revelation and self-fabrication

Zen Arado: 'Your consciousness is like a tiny stowaway on a transatlantic steamship, taking credit for the journey without acknowledging the massive engineering underfoot. Eagleman, David (2011-04-07). Incognito: The Secret Lives of The Brain (p. 4). Canongate Books. Kindle Edition. '
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Zen Arado: I don't think we can ever really know what is going on in our brains
Eliza Madrigal: say more Bleu? exposure v facsimile as distraction?
Zen Arado: and maybe it is better that way?
Eliza Madrigal: not sure... there seems some collective question

Zen Arado: Self fabrication is the stories we tell ourselves all the time
Bleu Oleander: reading situations correctly
Zen Arado: I think meditation helps to see through the stories

Bleu Oleander: sometimes we do tell good stories to ourselves
Bleu Oleander: we get it right in a sense
Bleu Oleander: but learning how to tell the difference

Zen Arado: in a way stories are a way of transcending reality
Bleu Oleander: you're encouraging me to re-read Wilson's book :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) and me to read it too

Zen Arado: 'human kind cannot bear very much reality'
Eliza Madrigal: though, I think I am coming at same questions from diff angles
Eliza Madrigal: such as blake's assertion of imagination as primary
Zen Arado: me too

Zen Arado: I'm reading a book called "the Ego Trick'
Eliza Madrigal: I'm even questioning whether meditation in and of itself, helps us see anything...
Eliza Madrigal: we bring a view
Zen Arado: not of itself
Eliza Madrigal listens
Zen Arado: but it allows our brains to slow down
Zen Arado: and we see what it is doing better

Bleu Oleander: a great new book I'm reading "Incomplete Nature"
Bleu Oleander: I really like it so far
Bleu Oleander: a big book
Bleu Oleander: but worth the effort
Eliza Madrigal nods Zen....
Eliza Madrigal: and that one?
Bleu Oleander: how mind emerges from matter
Bleu Oleander: he refers to "absential" features
Bleu Oleander: to denote phenomena whose existence is determined with respect to an essential absence
Eliza Madrigal: a crack in everything...
Bleu Oleander: things like desire, passion function purpose etx
Eliza Madrigal: that's interesting... sort of a meeting place potentially, between materialists and romantics like Blake
Bleu Oleander: etc
Zen Arado: 624 pages
Zen Arado: hmmm
Bleu Oleander: really interesting ideas though
Bleu Oleander: how those types of phenomena act in the world
Zen Arado: yes

Zen Arado: lately I wonder if I do too much thinking
Eliza Madrigal: animated by absence?
Zen Arado: too much reading books like these
Bleu Oleander: yes in a way
Eliza Madrigal: thinking can be empty too
Eliza Madrigal: :)

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: its opening my mind to a different way of thinking about consciousness and self
Bleu Oleander: for later: http://fora.tv/2012/04/18/Incomplete...ed_From_Matter
Eliza Madrigal: Mostly I like to hear interviews and talks about these kinds of books :)
Bleu Oleander: yes me too
Bleu Oleander: but after listening to the talk, I find reading the book more satisfying
Zen Arado: the Kindle edition is much more expensive than the book hmm
Eliza Madrigal: on a rare occasion a talk hooks me to the book
Bleu Oleander: listen to the talk first ... see if you like it

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sun :)
Zen Arado: Hi Sun :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi all ;)
Bleu Oleander: Sunji :)
Zen Arado: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: Bleuji ;)

Eliza Madrigal: we've been talking about incomplete nature and being strangers to ourselves, incognito...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: nice!
Eliza Madrigal: walking blindspots

Sunshine Vayandar: this is Sam - would like to find out about the mystery that is PaB
Sunshine Vayandar: ;o)
Zen Arado: this touches on the alaya vijnana you were talking about the other week Eliza
Bleu Oleander: hi Sam :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sam :) Ah, we've met
Eliza Madrigal: yes Zen?
Zen Arado: the eighth consciousness
Zen Arado: Storehouse consciousness
Zen Arado: Hi Sam

Eliza Madrigal: Welcome to Play as Being Sam :) Would you like a note or just to jump in?
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Pemaji ;)
Sam Boomslang: this is my first time here
Bleu Oleander: hi Pema :)
Sam Boomslang: so if there's anything you want to send me I'm open
Eliza Madrigal: I do need to make sure it is OK if we include you in our recordings though... we post our sessions publicly, at playasbeing.org
Zen Arado: Hi Pema :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema :)
Pema Pera: hi everybody!
Sam Boomslang: otherwise I'll just listen and try to figure out how to participate
Sam Boomslang: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Sam Boomslang: of course :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks !

Zen Arado: I always wondered how good it is to delve into our unconscious
Zen Arado: you just finished up with the story of yourself
Zen Arado: perhaps some of that is better left buried unless it is troubling you in some way

Eliza Madrigal: "finishing the book of ourselves" hm....
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: a work in progress

Zen Arado: although psychoanalysts make a good living from it :-)
Sam Boomslang: some books are too intense to read cover to cover... Ever read The Road by Cormac McCarthy? (shudders)
Eliza Madrigal: I have not read that, but know enough to be smiling
Bleu Oleander: me too
Sunshine Vayandar: no I haven't read it
Zen Arado: me neither

Eliza Madrigal: so traditional psychoanalysis doesn't stop with introspection...
Eliza Madrigal: does aim toward seeing the unconscious
Eliza Madrigal: but perhaps not all at once :)
Zen Arado: psychoanalysis is looking at the past
Bleu Oleander: the past in your present
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)

Pema Pera: psychosynthesis would be interesting . . . .
Zen Arado: I was reading about two types of people last night
Zen Arado: diachronic and episodic
Zen Arado: episodic people think there is only the present
Zen Arado: diachronics see the same self through all their life
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm interesting
Zen Arado: episodic people see themselves changing all the time

Eliza Madrigal: and someone who recognizes both?
Zen Arado: I think I am one of the episodic types
Bleu Oleander: I would fall into the episodic category if pushed to choose
Eliza Madrigal: as an avatar it would be hard to imagine you as diachronic Bleu :)
Sunshine Vayandar: I would be both - I think lol
Pema Pera: :-)
Bleu Oleander: I have the sense that very little remains constant through life
Bleu Oleander: :) Eliza

Pema Pera: hah, when playing as Being, Being is diachronic, but the players are episodic
Eliza Madrigal: both and neither territory... hey, we came to the transcendence theme anyway
Zen Arado: I don't like it when people I used to work with keep talking about that time
Sunshine Vayandar: there is something that is constant somehow - but also lots changes too
Zen Arado: and expect me to behave the same way as I did 20 years ago
Bleu Oleander: I like that Pema
Eliza Madrigal: :) Pema

Zen Arado: it's just another duality, another way of categorising people I guess
Bleu Oleander: a theme has transcended
Sam Boomslang: dualities are often fun for discussion but rarely exist in reality
Zen Arado: yes
Eliza Madrigal: yes Sun.... my sense also.... like, the child in you can still play with the child in someone else

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: we see it in SL all the time
Pema Pera: I feel especially episodic after coming back for a nice dinner followed by drinks with friends (it being almost midnight here now)
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Bleu Oleander: :)
Pema Pera: hence my late entry tonight
Eliza Madrigal: well thanks for checking in in that condition Pema ... maybe we should take the chance to ask questions.. :)
Zen Arado: corrupted by philosophical thinking about it.’ Could it be that the same individual can be episodic in some situations, diachronic in others? Strawson thinks so, and cites embarrassment as a good example.'
Eliza Madrigal: I was surprised the first time I felt embarrassed in SL
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: I was messing up ringing the bell for meditation

Zen Arado: ‘If I think of something really embarrassing I did even five years ago, somehow I relive it – that metaphor is a really good metaphor – you literally relive it as if you’re just as embarrassed now as you were then, whereas if you’re thinking of something else it may seem really remote from you. Baggini, Julian (2011-01-01). The Ego Trick (p. 172). Granta. Kindle Edition.

Zen Arado: and you still feel embarrassed if you think about it?
Eliza Madrigal: Not at all...
Eliza Madrigal: it is funny now because I learned so much from that
Eliza Madrigal: saw myself
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Zen Arado: Some things may have embarrassed us so much we can't even think about them now
Eliza Madrigal: well, shame may be another thing

Zen Arado: we should have a memorial disco for Robin Gibb, Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: who?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sam Boomslang: so diachronic or episodic, reality as experienced tends to gravitate our attention towards emotion and sensation, and consequently our predisposition towards certain narratives or experiences (clinging or aversion)
Zen Arado: one of the Bee Gees
Zen Arado: he died last night
Eliza Madrigal: "reality as experienced"
Sunshine Vayandar: oh sorry to hear that
Eliza Madrigal: that is a good distinction
Sunshine Vayandar: yes let's have aparty
Zen Arado: yeh episodic would be closer to forgetting the past
Zen Arado: I think

Eliza Madrigal shakes all the categories out of her head... haha... so many...

Sunshine Vayandar: it's a bit like - living in your home town ..... every corner reminds you of your past ...or living in africa where noone knows you hmmm no past ... just the present ...

Zen Arado: yeah episodic .. Diachronic is a spectrum
Zen Arado: maybe that's a way of getting out of the duality :-)
Eliza Madrigal: well it is it also a view of 'accumulation' v emptiness

Pema Pera: the whole notion of a "you", an "I" is suspect . . .
Bleu Oleander: ah but whereever you go you bring yourself with you :)
Pema Pera: the most interesting experiment is to see whether we can live without introducing a notion of self -- letting the walking do the walking, the talking do the talking, and so on, consistently . . .
Sam Boomslang: nods
Pema Pera: then you can turn on a dime . . .
Zen Arado: yes Pema... I'm getting this from a book called the Ego Trick

Sam Boomslang: that brings up SL and the experimental notion of self that can be explored here
Pema Pera: yes!
Pema Pera: a self is constructed
Pema Pera: and can be seen through
Bleu Oleander: I think "i" is an adaptive construct to be in the world
Sunshine Vayandar: yes SL is such a fun tool for new angles
Zen Arado: this book looks at it from a philosophical angle
Zen Arado: it's something I am quite interested in

Eliza Madrigal: suspicious self then suspicious others, Pema?
Pema Pera: well, being selfless is nice
Pema Pera: and being otherless is pretty good too!
Pema Pera: perhaps that's being truly open
Sam Boomslang: great distinction Pema
Pema Pera: thanks, Sam; btw nice meeting you!

Zen Arado: what about "character"

Bleu Oleander: what does it mean to be selfess? is it not possible to be open and have a sense of self?
Pema Pera: and I bow to you being even older than me, SL wise
Sam Boomslang: nice meeting you too! :)
Pema Pera: well, selfless is a word that can have different meanings
Sam Boomslang: lol
Pema Pera: self as a noun is bad news
Pema Pera: self as a verb is better already
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal smiles at Sun knowing she never stops moving...
Sam Boomslang: self as a vector might be better still
Sunshine Vayandar: (((Liz)))
Eliza Madrigal: there is always that question of whether, if seeing through stories of self, we become too passive .. just watching, as with TV
Eliza Madrigal: (((Sun))) :)
Zen Arado: but what is too passive?

Pema Pera: oh no, when seeing through, you can express yourself freely, the opposite of passive
Zen Arado: I don't think you would be able to do that Eliza
Zen Arado: your nature would prevent you
Sam Boomslang: natures can be transcended.... :)
Zen Arado: I am thinking more and more that what I do is determined by my nature and nurture
Zen Arado: I'm not sure they can be transcended
Sam Boomslang: OK they evolve
Pema Pera: "nature" is a concept and asks to be transcended :)
Zen Arado: you can't decide your interests and wants and urges
Pema Pera: like fine print asks to be discarded
Bleu Oleander: :)

Zen Arado: so if I want to transcend that is a desire too
Pema Pera: you can't decide, but you can stop deciding
Zen Arado: but you are urged to stop deciding
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal giggling

Pema Pera: you can live, and let life live
Pema Pera: without concepts
Pema Pera: or limits
Zen Arado: it seems to me to be a movement of the universe being expressed in us
Zen Arado: yes
Pema Pera: yes!
Bleu Oleander: that's a concept in itself
Zen Arado: not a lone individual making choices
Pema Pera: and then we try to catch it and freeze it and fry it
Zen Arado: exactly and make a strategy out of it

Eliza Madrigal: it is a real question for me... can see areas in life (how we may see what is going on in subconscious) that question whether I take self too seriously or not seriously enough... to finer and finer points which can't be figured out, so...
Zen Arado: we can't figure it out
Eliza Madrigal: right
Pema Pera: eyes open and heart open: paying attention but not imposing structure

Zen Arado: but we sure like trying :-)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;) Zenji
Pema Pera: seeing is enough
Zen Arado: yes.. I just sat in the sun for a while earlier

Eliza Madrigal: enough is enough is enough... (Donna Summer died this week too)
Zen Arado: so much going on around me
Zen Arado: yes and Robin Gibb was only 62
Pema Pera: did she?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Pema Pera: sorry to hear that
Eliza Madrigal: I think 63
Pema Pera: wow
Zen Arado: Donna summer was young too
Pema Pera: grew up with that sound . . .
Eliza Madrigal: one of the first records I found of my moms was Donna and Barbra Streisand.... sometimes it seems there are waves...
Eliza Madrigal: but prob reading into that :)

Eliza Madrigal: brb, have to talk to a girl about a salamander...
Zen Arado: :-)
Sunshine Vayandar: lol Liz
Pema Pera: that may be a selfless gesture of Eliza . . .
Eliza Madrigal: haha... okay here...
Eliza Madrigal: sorry about that :) we're buying the class pet for my son

Zen Arado: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15431875
Sunshine Vayandar: wb ;)
Eliza Madrigal: ty :)
Zen Arado: wb Eliza
Pema Pera remember the last time he talked to a girl about a salamander . . . .
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Eliza Madrigal: summer camp?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pema Pera: no comments
Eliza Madrigal laughing...

Sam Boomslang: My partner Sedi wanted to pop in for a quick visit, can I tp her?
Sunshine Vayandar: ;D
Eliza Madrigal: of course!
Sunshine Vayandar: of course Sam
Pema Pera: sure thing!
Eliza Madrigal: we're not always so serious... and sometimes even more so :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sedi :)
Zen Arado: Hi Sedi
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Sedi welcome
Bleu Oleander: hi Sedi
Seductive Dreamscape: hello everyone, sorry to land on you
Sam Boomslang: grabs Sedi's leg and pulls her to the ground
Sunshine Vayandar: have a seat once you see
Pema Pera: hi Sedi!
Seductive Dreamscape: nothing has rezzed yet... sorry x
Sam Boomslang: hey sweetie :)
Pema Pera: landing on joy is a good thing!
Sunshine Vayandar: yes it takes time for me too

--BELL--

Sam Boomslang: you are standing on my shoulder, my love
Eliza Madrigal: Welcome Sedi :) So glad you are visiting...
Seductive Dreamscape: thankyou :)
Seductive Dreamscape: this is my first time
Sunshine Vayandar: yes great to see you here Sedi ;))
Eliza Madrigal: I do need to let you know we record these sessions... and make sure it is okay that we include you
Seductive Dreamscape: i've heard so much about you
Seductive Dreamscape: yes, that is fine :)
Pema Pera: anyone related to dreamscapes is more than welcome here :-)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;) Pema
Seductive Dreamscape smiles and listens to the group
Seductive Dreamscape: plese carry on

Pema Pera: we were hardly carrying anything . . . .
Zen Arado: we don't know what to say now :-)

Eliza Madrigal: we were talking a bit about being strangers to ourselves earlier... then...
Eliza Madrigal: selflessness and otherlessness
Eliza Madrigal: and salamanders
Pema Pera: and girls
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Seductive Dreamscape smiles
Pema Pera: actually, the notion of otherlessness is really interesting
Zen Arado: and the brevity of life:(
Eliza Madrigal: yes... seem linked... all those things...

Pema Pera: we all appreciate selflessness
Sunshine Vayandar: yes Pema
Pema Pera: but otherlessness?
Pema Pera: to stop seeing others as truly other?
Zen Arado: same thing really?
Pema Pera: and appreciate them "like ourselves"?

Sunshine Vayandar: always something new at PaB sessions ;)
Seductive Dreamscape smiles
Pema Pera: that's radical
Seductive Dreamscape: sounds wonderful
Pema Pera: :-)

Sam Boomslang: Well everyone, Sedi and I actually have a baby shower to attend in SL
Seductive Dreamscape: i look forward to coming back
Seductive Dreamscape: yes :)
Zen Arado: We see through the artificial barriers we construct
Pema Pera: any time, Sedi!
Eliza Madrigal: Oh wow
Sunshine Vayandar: thanks for coming Sam
Seductive Dreamscape: can i join your group please?
Zen Arado: Hi Korel
Eliza Madrigal: Enjoy and see you soon
Sunshine Vayandar: enjoy the baby shower
Sam Boomslang: a pleasure, nice meeting everyone
Sam Boomslang: looking forward to more
Sam Boomslang: :)

Eliza Madrigal: I'll send you both invites to friends of Play as Being
Bleu Oleander: lovely meeting both of you :)
Korel Laloix: Heya
Seductive Dreamscape: definitely
Seductive Dreamscape: thankyou :)
Zen Arado: have fun :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Korel :)
Pema Pera: yes, see you soon again!
Pema Pera: hi Korel!
Sam Boomslang: thanks everyone!
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Korel ;)
Bleu Oleander: hi Korel :)

Pema Pera: actually, I'd better get some sleep -- dream shower
Pema Pera: it's well past midnight here
Eliza Madrigal: :) Night Pema
Korel Laloix smiles
Sunshine Vayandar: ;) nitenitee Pema
Korel Laloix: Running peoplle off as normal...
Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Zen Arado: I'd better make my dinner
Pema Pera: great seeing you all here!
Sunshine Vayandar: lol Korel
Bleu Oleander: I must to too

Eliza Madrigal: :) Korel... well we've transcended the hour...
Bleu Oleander: take care everyone
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyee those going
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu and Zen :)
Zen Arado: byee
Bleu Oleander: bye bye
Sunshine Vayandar: have a great evening Zenji
Sunshine Vayandar: otherlessness hmm
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Sunshine Vayandar: how are things Korel
Eliza Madrigal: feeling better?
Sunshine Vayandar: antibarbie ;p
Eliza Madrigal grins
Korel Laloix: Much.. back off of the drugs.

Korel Laloix: Having an odd day today.
Sunshine Vayandar: odd?
Korel Laloix: My real boss decided she wanted to do a Memorial day picnic this morning..
Korel Laloix: So I am through that togetehr for her.
Sunshine Vayandar: how was it
Korel Laloix: It will be next Monday.
Korel Laloix: But for about 50 people.
Sunshine Vayandar: oh kk
Korel Laloix: So planning this...
Sunshine Vayandar: big event
Korel Laloix: My big issues, I have not been able to find a catterer that is not already booked.
Eliza Madrigal: of course, huge holiday
Korel Laloix: And finding a live entertainment option is probably going to be tough as well..
Korel Laloix: But.. that is what I get paid for.... so it is all good.
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)

Sunshine Vayandar: brb a spider is spotted
Eliza Madrigal: :) well there is always karaoke
Korel Laloix: The problem with karaoke is that they do not have enough closet space to hide the bodies.
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Eliza Madrigal: Mick Jagger was great on SNL this weekend... saw clips this morning... was a karaoke scene...
Korel Laloix: She wanted a small band or the like.
Korel Laloix: I dont' watch TV much... but that does sound fun.
Eliza Madrigal: I never got what the sex appeal was with him, but have to admit... really great... is his own person for sure
Korel Laloix: Mostly the money and power.
Korel Laloix: But..... I have to say.... I do have a thing for musicians.
Eliza Madrigal: well I think there are people that seem in on their own joke, too

--BELL--

Korel Laloix: And about the only guy I have ever been attracted to is also a musician.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I have to get going... been on a while... will post the session soon, was interesting I think...hah
Sunshine Vayandar: back
Sunshine Vayandar: found a blackwidow
Eliza Madrigal: ah, sun... getting ready to go
Eliza Madrigal: what?!?
Sunshine Vayandar: kk ;)
Eliza Madrigal: are you sure?
Sunshine Vayandar: on the firewood
Sunshine Vayandar: yes we have lots
Sunshine Vayandar: with a little white ball
Eliza Madrigal: eep
Sunshine Vayandar: under her
Sunshine Vayandar: lol

Eliza Madrigal: I went to a poetry event and this woman recited a wonderful poem about black widow...
Sunshine Vayandar: really
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: in thankfulness to her partner or some such... from the spider view
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: anyway, glad to say goodbye...
Sunshine Vayandar: hmmm spider view
Sunshine Vayandar: take care guys
Sunshine Vayandar: great session as always
Eliza Madrigal: :) see you both later I hope... keep catching Kori at end of sessions...
Sunshine Vayandar: have a great week Korel
Sunshine Vayandar: take care - byebyeee ;)
Korel Laloix: ciao
Korel Laloix: Thanks.
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: I must go make fire
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)