2012.05.08 19:00 - Competing with stillness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

     

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Raffie
    Raffila Millgrove: hi Eos. how you doing?
    Eos Amaterasu: Pretty well. And you?
    Raffila Millgrove: pretty good. ty
    Raffila Millgrove: boy that session from. yesterday of this time.. gosh it made my head spin to read it.
    Eos Amaterasu: The theme this week is stillness
    Raffila Millgrove: everyone being very clever.
    Raffila Millgrove: yes.
    Raffila Millgrove: they are on the theme.
    Raffila Millgrove: were on the theme. i mean. yesterday.
    Raffila Millgrove: at this time.
    Eos Amaterasu: it is still happening
    Raffila Millgrove: yes all week.
    Raffila Millgrove: you.. were thinking.. something you want to say on it?
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm... you sure you don't want to lead?
    Raffila Millgrove: Eh? me.. heavens no. i just contribute irrelevant sidebars. lol
    Eos Amaterasu: Stillness.... not needing to go elsewhere
    Raffila Millgrove: i derailed a meet earlier this week with amazing weird stuff on this stomach .. band. to lose your tummy. I was bad enough for a whole week with that one.
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm?
    Raffila Millgrove: ah. not needing to go elsewhere! that is quality of stillness too, isn't it? definately.
    Eos Amaterasu: As someone I know once remarked, out of a vast stillness, "you're so jumpy!"
    Raffila Millgrove: at my house--we have gentle wind most days. so i notice a stillness. when none of the leaves are moving. it seems very hushed then.
    Raffila Millgrove: you are jumpy, eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: heh heh
    Raffila Millgrove sees eos jump up and sit down again.
    Raffila Millgrove: haha
    Eos Amaterasu: Not very.... I don't mind doing nothing here
    Eos Amaterasu: It's also nice to find micro-stillnesses everywhere
    Raffila Millgrove: this... is what i was trying to comment on. not too successfully. Last night .. topic is stillness.. but everyone is jumping in and out.. very fast. many clever comments. almost antithesis of stillness.
    Eos Amaterasu: bees buzzing in stillness
    Raffila Millgrove: oh that hum of humming bird and of bee--it's so energetic--it does make the rest fall into still ness by comparison.
    Eos Amaterasu: there can be a quality of attention, or attending, in stillness
    Raffila Millgrove: you have thought a lot on this. !
    Eos Amaterasu: there could be a lot happening when you really listen and watch
    Raffila Millgrove: true. but as you watch/listen.. well. when i do.. i am very still. myself. so maybe that is what you mean?


    Eos Amaterasu: You know what the best present anyone could give themselves would be?
    Raffila Millgrove: what?
    Eos Amaterasu: A three day retreat, alone, in nature, just you
    Eos Amaterasu: and your mind and your feelings :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: in big stillness
    Eos Amaterasu: wrapped and packaged in a nice bow!
    Raffila Millgrove: ah. ok. i give you permission/gift: you can go on one as soon as you can manage.
    Raffila Millgrove smiles.
    Raffila Millgrove: i will stay home because my own back patio with sky-mountains.. huge views.. its' like a daily retreat. in nature. very fortunate to have it right at window/door
    Eos Amaterasu: that's ideal, if you live your life in the perfect natural stillness
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Santo
    Raffila Millgrove: hi San. Eos wants to go on retreat.. i think you just recently come home from one yourself?
    Raffila Millgrove: i missed you.
    Santoshima Resident: hello you two
    Santoshima Resident: yes, a short retreat
    Raffila Millgrove: yes. i remember you said.. 3 hr drive maybe/ not too far away. ten day? was it?


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: the theme is still stillness....
    Santoshima Resident: yes, for the week
    Santoshima Resident: still
    Santoshima Resident: and stillness
    Raffila Millgrove: (btw San.. you and wester were 100 percent right on that tummy belt. 1. slouching.. got get tummy poof out 2. photoshopped 3. will only take off 1 inch in 30 days which i know would come from four minutes of exercises they have you doing each day)
    Eos Amaterasu: I suggested that a solitary retreat, alone in nature, is the best present anyone can give themself
    Eos Amaterasu: walk into your stillness
    Santoshima Resident: raffila: mystery solved! / eos: agreed


    Eos Amaterasu: Is there more stillness here at the pavilion?
    Santoshima Resident: depends
    Raffila Millgrove: truthfully? i rather sit in my sl garden or my rl garden.. for the stillness.
    Santoshima Resident: on what one brings
    Raffila Millgrove: san i mention earlier that yesterday at 7 pm.. they had this incredible lively discussion on stillness. here. so many clever comment. seem almost anthithesis of stillness. strange juxtaposition of topic and atmosphere.
    Eos Amaterasu: combining dynamics and stillness is art
    Raffila Millgrove: if i could add this tho. Eos.. always brings this feelign of stillness. sat here many time next to him.. very still kind of person (meant in best way)
    Eos Amaterasu: :-), thnx raffie :-)


    Eos Amaterasu: So Santo, re it depending on what one brings.... can you say more?
    Raffila Millgrove: good balance, cause you got the silly ones like me sometimes. who are really jumpy now and then.. and you add such a nice calming presence and so does San also.
    Santoshima Resident: sorry i missed your question, Eos ... just reading and thinking of it now
    Raffila Millgrove waits to see what san thinks on it.
    Santoshima Resident: ah ... state of mind is what i meant
    Santoshima Resident: and intention
    Santoshima Resident: to engage
    Santoshima Resident: and connect
    Santoshima Resident: and to what purpose
    Eos Amaterasu: so you bring stillness as well as find it?
    Santoshima Resident: being stillness
    Eos Amaterasu: first dawn, the world wakes up
    Raffila Millgrove: color of dawn. not so flashy as sunset.. comes faint at first. but has amazing cold hues--stunning coldness in the blues/purples of dawn.
    Raffila Millgrove: also a cold pink.. strange as that sound. the pink of dawn is cold.
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yeah, cool fresh quality
    Eos Amaterasu: deep cold cool
    Raffila Millgrove: funny how people extol sunset and .. dawn is equal in startling beauty.


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: Some literature and music has a stillness quality, through some perspective language or music offers, something transparent in which action takes place
    Eos Amaterasu: like Shakespeare or George Eliot, or Mozart
    Eos Amaterasu: "and though he thinks he's in a play, he is anyway" (Beatles)

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    Eos Amaterasu: (looks like a big bright moon up above)

    Eos Amaterasu: I once received an instruction on stillness
    Eos Amaterasu: (from Mr Universe)
    Santoshima Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I asked, "what is nowness?"
    Eos Amaterasu: and the response was, "the simplicity nature of stillness"
    Eos Amaterasu: still grokking that....
    Santoshima Resident: what's grokking?
    Eos Amaterasu: to grok: to get it in fullness
    Santoshima Resident: ah
    Eos Amaterasu: (from a Heinlein novel, I think)
    Santoshima Resident: truly? ok
    Raffila Millgrove greets Steve.
    Santoshima Resident: hello stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: Thank you Raffi
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello San and Eos
    Raffila Millgrove: Please excuse me.. time for bite to eat. Enjoyed being with you both. Sorry to leave just as you arrive Steve. hugs. xo
    stevenaia Michinaga: food trumps all
    Santoshima Resident: bye raffila ~ take good care


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: Hi stevenaia, bye raffie
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles
    Eos Amaterasu: we've been talking about stillness, Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, is it a place within or a state of Being, or both/either
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: strangely seems to be an activity, as in being still.....
    stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be the starting point for unstillness
    Eos Amaterasu: the raff off which we're riffing
    stevenaia Michinaga: where the water rush in
    Eos Amaterasu: strong sense of presence
    Santoshima Resident: Onomatopoeia? the word "grok" ... the sound .... doesn't match the definition, to me
    Santoshima Resident: oh well
    Eos Amaterasu: a mere human bias :-)
    Santoshima Resident: a sound association
    Santoshima Resident: no language is neutral
    Santoshima Resident: all language holds bias
    Eos Amaterasu: it shapes perception
    Santoshima Resident: indeed, and is shaped by perception


    Eos Amaterasu: Question: Do you have a stillness practice?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not that I am aware of
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you?
    Eos Amaterasu: it probably still counts
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose the 90 seconds could be
    Eos Amaterasu: well yes, I think various forms of "stopping" are about that
    Eos Amaterasu: I was saying earlier that the best gift you can give yourself is to do a solitary retreat, even if brief, for one day
    Eos Amaterasu: that would be a dynamite practice!
    Eos Amaterasu: just you and yourself :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: doesn't tai chi have a lot to do with stillness?
    stevenaia Michinaga: at the begining there is a meditation, isn't all meditation stillness?
    Eos Amaterasu: moo
    stevenaia Michinaga: it is to prepare your body and mind for what is ahead
    stevenaia Michinaga: quiet the physical and mental state


    Eos Amaterasu: I once did a practice called "competing with stillness"
    Eos Amaterasu: a single motion of the arm, extended over 13 minutes
    stevenaia Michinaga: soudns like slowness
    Eos Amaterasu: it's a competition :-)


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: Thanks you, San and Stevenaia
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Eos
    Santoshima Resident: goodnight, Eos, thanks ~
    Eos Amaterasu: must disappear....
    stevenaia Michinaga: sweet dreams
    Santoshima Resident: 'nite Stevenaia ~
    stevenaia Michinaga: night

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