The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.  I beamed into the Pabvilion to find Wol already in place.

Agatha Macbeth: Hiya babe :)
Agatha Macbeth: All packed yet? [ducks]
Wol Euler: hiya
Wol Euler: no, not even begun
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Wol Euler: but washing clothes and making lists
Wol Euler: and it's a week at home so no need for any fancies
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's something anyways
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth likes 'fancies'
Agatha Macbeth: Looking forward to it?
Wol Euler: mostly, yes
Wol Euler: I really hate the stress of these last days
Agatha Macbeth: I can relate to that
Wol Euler: I think in future I will book an extra day off, the day before the flight
Wol Euler: so I can get ready in peace and quiet
Agatha Macbeth: It would be wise i think
Agatha Macbeth: Good job the competition was handed in on time eh?
Wol Euler: yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Have I seen what you're wearing before?
Wol Euler: possibly not
Wol Euler: I don't like it much
Agatha Macbeth: It's nice
Wol Euler: put it on to give it (and myself) anohter chance
Wol Euler: ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: OK, it's not black, I'll give you that
Wol Euler chuckles.
Agatha Macbeth: But it makes a change
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: I guess I'll let it live for anohter day
Agatha Macbeth: Is it from Vita?
Wol Euler: how does that go? "Well, goodnight [name of the outfit], I may kill you in the morning"
Wol Euler: yes, it is
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Agatha Macbeth: I'm good
Wol Euler: indeed :)
Agatha Macbeth: [plus I know your haunts]
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: there aren't that many actually, it wouldn't be hard to guess
Wol Euler: this is a bit non-frilly for Vita, untypical
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I bet you have a few clothes shops in your inv
Wol Euler: indeed
Alfred Kelberry: usual suspects
Wol Euler: boxy.
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Boxter
Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: where are others?
Wol Euler: elsewhere :)
Wol Euler: or late
Agatha Macbeth: Did someone remember to remove the cake last night?
Wol Euler: mmhmm, boxy reminded me
Alfred Kelberry: ah, neat boots, woly
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh
Wol Euler: ty
Agatha Macbeth: Mine are the same
Wol Euler: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Same shop, same colour
Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes indeed
Agatha Macbeth: We have taste Wollie and I
Alfred Kelberry: smaller size on woly
Wol Euler: don't think so
Wol Euler: perhaps I scaled them a little
Agatha Macbeth: You should get Mila some ;-)
Wol Euler: yeah
Alfred Kelberry: yea, i like these
Agatha Macbeth: I'm happy that you're happy :)
Wol Euler: give mila that landmark
Alfred Kelberry: thanks :)
Agatha Macbeth: No pictures of cleavage tonight unfortunately :p
Alfred Kelberry: wrong
Alfred Kelberry: http://up.keep.se/aga1k.jpg
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well you won't see much cleavage in this outfit
Alfred Kelberry: not for long
Wol Euler: that's last night, that doesn*t count
Agatha Macbeth: Birthday boobs!
Alfred Kelberry: ok, we need a topic
Alfred Kelberry: something smart
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a swedish site?
Alfred Kelberry: woly, tell us about construction
   --BELL--1315
Agatha Macbeth: I could talk about lego
Alfred Kelberry: i still wonder how those half a mile scrapers do not fall
Agatha Macbeth: They are built well ;P
Wol Euler: short answer: gravity :)
Wol Euler: longer answer: the weak magnetic force
Wol Euler: very long answer: a lot of calculation, some hope, and 10% for bad luck
Alfred Kelberry: 10%?
Agatha Macbeth: There ya go
Wol Euler: stronger than it needs to be
Alfred Kelberry: ok, tell more :)
Wol Euler: commercial aircraft typically go for 150% stronger than they need to be
Agatha Macbeth: Interesting
Alfred Kelberry: the tallest stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa
Alfred Kelberry: 828 m
Wol Euler: you work out the maximum probable flexing load that the wing of an Airbus will have to survive, add 100%, and then beef it up a little more
Wol Euler: I saw a video of the test, it managed 160% more than designed load
Wol Euler: before breakuing
Agatha Macbeth: Good to know
Alfred Kelberry: cool
Agatha Macbeth: You don't want wings dropping off in mid air
Wol Euler: indeed
Wol Euler: hello ara
Agatha Macbeth: Arababe :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, now tell more about weak magnetic force
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Alfred Kelberry: ara :)
arabella Ella: :)
Wol Euler: I'm going to be partly afk this evening, doing preparation stuff around the house
Agatha Macbeth: :(
arabella Ella: before you go Wol
arabella Ella: I got so many memories today as I walked past our retreat hotel here!
Agatha Macbeth: One thing about it, at least the air is thinner up there, so less resistance
Agatha Macbeth: [sorry]
Wol Euler: ah :)
Wol Euler: nice
Wol Euler: hello mick
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it will be required again Ara ;-)
Mickorod Renard: hiya folks
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Mick
Alfred Kelberry: woly, just don't forget to tell us about weak magnetic force in scrapers construction
arabella Ella: I would not mind another retreat in Malta at all
Mickorod Renard: {))
Wol Euler: me too :) go for it
Alfred Kelberry: mick :)
arabella Ella: maybe aggers and boxy would join us!
Mickorod Renard: yay
Agatha Macbeth: We were talking about Lia's cellar last night
Mickorod Renard: yes?
arabella Ella: Lia's cellar?
Mickorod Renard: down the steps?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Mickorod Renard: he he
Alfred Kelberry: ara, join where?
Agatha Macbeth: See, Mick remembers
arabella Ella: oh yes now i remember
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: i have told my story a few times
arabella Ella: @ boxy join us for a retreeat in Malta some day!
arabella Ella: :)
Agatha Macbeth: and Bert singing [chanting]
Alfred Kelberry: ah
Alfred Kelberry: that would be nice
Wol Euler: though I missed that :/
Wol Euler: I was 20 hours late because of heavy snow
arabella Ella: yea Woly was initially snowed in in Germany
Agatha Macbeth: That's right
Wol Euler: :(
Mickorod Renard: yes, and we picked you up at the airport
arabella Ella: were you with us Aggers :)
Alfred Kelberry: still... 10% over flexing load for a tall building is rather small :/
Wol Euler: not in an earthquake or tornado zone
Agatha Macbeth: No but i read the log and heard the discussions
Alfred Kelberry: i guess that's why wtc went down
Wol Euler: and it might be only 6.3% instead of ten
Wol Euler: I
arabella Ella: you were with us in spirit!
Wol Euler: I'm not an engineer
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh :)
Wol Euler: I have other people to know that for me.
Alfred Kelberry: meh
Agatha Macbeth: Horses for courses
Agatha Macbeth: You were the taxi service from the airport Ara as I recall
Alfred Kelberry: woly, you're going to canada?
Mickorod Renard: I rode shotgun
arabella Ella: yes i was Ara
arabella Ella: and i still am
Agatha Macbeth: HA!
arabella Ella: had three visitors these past couple of weeks
Wol Euler: I am, boxy, on saturday
arabella Ella: and tomorrow off to airport once again to meet a nice also my goddaughter who is visiting too
Agatha Macbeth: Oh...Magi? :p
Alfred Kelberry: cool
arabella Ella: my car knows the route blindfold
arabella Ella: auto pilot
Wol Euler: reminds me, I need to tell the group that and ask for a replacement
Wol Euler: brb
Agatha Macbeth: Good job [grin]
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: so r u off to Canada Wol?
arabella Ella: for a retreat?
Agatha Macbeth: Wol, remember to ask the group for a replacement
Mickorod Renard: do you have to pass the huge malta penis each time Ara, still?
Agatha Macbeth: (visting family)
arabella Ella: LOL @ Mick

Agatha Macbeth ponders a Malta penis
arabella Ella: I hardly notice it and it was vandalised recently so it is not as homo erotic as it was :)
Mickorod Renard: owwww
Agatha Macbeth: You have vandals?
arabella Ella: he he
   --BELL--1330
arabella Ella: rarely Aggers ... but happens here too at times
Agatha Macbeth: :(((

Boxy poofs
Agatha Macbeth: Where did Alf go?
arabella Ella: crashed?
Wol Euler: not a retreat, just meeting family
arabella Ella: ah cool!
Wol Euler: I will also meet Paradise, if that counts :)
arabella Ella: enjoy!
Mickorod Renard: meeting Paradise always counts
Agatha Macbeth: You could adopt a sister :)
Agatha Macbeth: and her dog
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: yeh, she suggested an evening meal so I could meet blue too
Wol Euler: (instad of lunch)
arabella Ella: what fun :)
Agatha Macbeth: Don't forget the dog biscuits then
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: lets all join Wol in canada

Is Wol going to Canada then? <thwop> Owww

Wol Euler: sure :)
Mickorod Renard: :))
arabella Ella: would be great if we could
Agatha Macbeth: Why not, it's big enough
Wol Euler: my parents' house sleeps an even dozen if they are good friends
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
arabella Ella: I would love to but cannot really afford any more trips this summer
Agatha Macbeth: Plus it's a long way
Mickorod Renard: yea, its a long haul just for the day,,you are worth it Wol, but you know what I mean
arabella Ella: exactly
arabella Ella: Germany would be easier ... and cheaper too!
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Day trip to North America...interesting concept
Mickorod Renard: unless you live in canada
Wol Euler: or venice
arabella Ella: venice in september would be lovely!
Wol Euler: rich and foolish people used to do it, when Concorde still flew
Agatha Macbeth: But they were french :p
Wol Euler: british :P
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Wol Euler: heheh
Wol Euler: or american
arabella Ella: a friend of mine once flew to China for two days for a conference
Mickorod Renard: today one has to consider the carbon footprint
Mickorod Renard: except the chinese
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Wol Euler: ... and then say, hell I'm going to fly anyway
Mickorod Renard: he he
Agatha Macbeth: And flap their arms
arabella Ella: at least we can still fly for free on SL
arabella Ella: which is good fun
Agatha Macbeth: I hardly if ever do
Agatha Macbeth: I either TP or walk
arabella Ella: I really enjoy flying here to explore places
Wol Euler: true, actually, me too
arabella Ella: ouch it is really warm and sticky here tonight
Mickorod Renard: I wonder whether anyone has calculated the carbon cost of sl?
Wol Euler: flying feels somehow unreal
Agatha Macbeth: It's something that the novelty wears off after a while
Agatha Macbeth: for me
arabella Ella: has not yet worn off for me
Agatha Macbeth: We're all different see
Wol Euler: wb
Mickorod Renard: wb Alf
Agatha Macbeth: wb Alf
Alfred Kelberry: thanks :)
Mickorod Renard: thankyou for the picture the other day Alf
Agatha Macbeth: All that talk about gravity crashed you
Alfred Kelberry: holy cow! i just read that frank lloyd write proposed a mile high skyscraper in 1956! freaking crazy!
arabella Ella: wb Alfie!
Agatha Macbeth: Mooo
Wol Euler: yeah
Alfred Kelberry: he thought it was technically feasible
Agatha Macbeth: Er...isn't that 'Wright'?
Wol Euler: heh, yes it is
Wol Euler: well spotted
Alfred Kelberry: aga, correct :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Mickorod Renard: that new one is 650 mtrs isnt it?
Agatha Macbeth: The water house bloke?
Alfred Kelberry: i'd love it to have been built
Alfred Kelberry: called "the illinois"
Alfred Kelberry: which is said to have been an inspiration for burj khalifa
Agatha Macbeth: Who?
arabella Ella: burj khalifa is brilliant i think ... did you see it in mission impossible the movie?
Wol Euler: no, didn't see that
Agatha Macbeth is now lost
Wol Euler throws you a liferaft
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks
Agatha Macbeth: an explanation would be better!
Mickorod Renard: whats that new one that was just built,,the one thats the tallest now?
arabella Ella: an explanation to ... what was the question aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Who or what is burj thingy?
arabella Ella: there is also the shard in London by renzo piano if i remember correctly
Mickorod Renard: yea, thats tallest in europe
   --BELL--1345
arabella Ella: the burj thing is a huge sky skraper in dubai with lovely fountains around it and they play to music
Mickorod Renard: well, there is some new one elsewhere ,,maybe in indonesia or somewhere thats the new tallest job
Alfred Kelberry: mick, wiki says burj is the tallest
Agatha Macbeth: Oh.ok
arabella Ella: i think burj is the tallest too so far at least and i dont think the shard is complete yet is it?
Mickorod Renard: out of date Alf
Alfred Kelberry: can't find it. maybe it's only planned.
Alfred Kelberry: burj was completed in 2010. pretty recent.
Agatha Macbeth: Ya
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if anyone jumped off it yet?
arabella Ella: has the shard been completed yet? you two brits should know!
Mickorod Renard: on radio the other day they said about a new one thats now the tallest in the world thats 650 mtrs or somewhere around that
Alfred Kelberry: aga, i bet extreme folks did
arabella Ella: well aggers tom cruise climbed up the outside of the burj in the latest mission impossible movie
Agatha Macbeth: I've never heard of it
Mickorod Renard: but my hearing is bad
Alfred Kelberry: burj is 828 m :)
arabella Ella: alfie could you google the shard in london i would crash if i did
Wol Euler: back
Agatha Macbeth: Me too probably
arabella Ella: to see whether it has been completed yet
Alfred Kelberry: *pinches woly*
Wol Euler: ouch
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: my mother called, discussing details
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Expensive phone call...
Alfred Kelberry: ha!
Wol Euler: eh, it's only money
Alfred Kelberry: this is funny...
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Mickorod Renard: maybe I was listening to an old remix,,he he
Alfred Kelberry: "Shard London Bridge (previously known as London Bridge Tower)"
arabella Ella: eh?
Alfred Kelberry: denounced to a bridge :)
arabella Ella: he he
Wol Euler: *at* London Bridge
Alfred Kelberry: 309 m, ara
Agatha Macbeth: Isn't London bridge falling down?
arabella Ella: he he
Wol Euler: that was six hundred years ago :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well knowing local councils here...
Wol Euler: heheh
Mickorod Renard: the tower next to houses of parliament,,not big ben,,was the tallest in the world when it was built
arabella Ella: so the shard is relatively short compared to the burj at least?
Alfred Kelberry: cost 6.2 billion dollars
Agatha Macbeth: What does it do?
Alfred Kelberry: oh wait...
Alfred Kelberry: that's a lot
arabella Ella: which tower was that Mick?
Wol Euler: Millwall?
Alfred Kelberry: 623 mil :)
arabella Ella: and apparently from the shard you can get a view all across london
Agatha Macbeth: So it has a function then?
arabella Ella: he he
arabella Ella: i wonder aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, me too
Alfred Kelberry: meh, london eye is only 135 m
Agatha Macbeth: Eye eye
Alfred Kelberry: i thought it was high
Wol Euler: 135m isn't high?
Mickorod Renard: Wol, its the tower at the other end of the houses of parliament,,it looks similar to big ben
Alfred Kelberry: not compared to shard :)
Agatha Macbeth: Jim Morrison was often higher
Wol Euler: oh, that
Wol Euler: the Victoria Tower, I think
Mickorod Renard: I have a roving eye I am told
Mickorod Renard: thats it wol
Mickorod Renard: its supprising cos its not that old
arabella Ella: arghhhh ... Mick and his roving eye!
Agatha Macbeth: Here's lookin at you kid
Mickorod Renard: he he
arabella Ella wonders what attracts Mick's roving eye? any clues?
Alfred Kelberry: woly, it must be a headache to plan all the facilities inside those scrapers. water, air conditioning, heat, etc.
Wol Euler: indeed
Wol Euler: that's why they all have technical floors every 15 to 20 storeys
Mickorod Renard: my eye is attracted to fine structures
Alfred Kelberry: what do they include?
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Wol Euler: but still, you lose an awful amount of floorspace in the lower storeys to circulation
arabella Ella: circulation? of what? air or people?
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully the former for the sake of the latter....
Wol Euler: all of the above
Mickorod Renard: how about external stairs?
Agatha Macbeth: Great for vertigo sufferers
Wol Euler: people (stairs and elevators), air, fresh water, sewage, heating, electrical, data ...
Wol Euler: plus service elevators
Wol Euler: external stairs are impractical above a certain height because of the wind
Agatha Macbeth: What's that place in NY where the lifts are outside the building?
Mickorod Renard: sewage is always a waste
Wol Euler: Trump Tower is one such
Alfred Kelberry: or tuned mass damper :)
Agatha Macbeth: Could be, yeh
Alfred Kelberry: those things are huge
Mickorod Renard: yea, thats a sure indication of lots of sewage
Alfred Kelberry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper
Alfred Kelberry: cancels out oscillation on the wind
Agatha Macbeth: That's a point, how do they get the rubbish down from the top floor?
Wol Euler: not in a drop shaft :) it would go straight through the basement floor
Wol Euler: service elevators
Agatha Macbeth: That's what I thought
Agatha Macbeth: Acceleration due to gravity
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: ms2
arabella Ella: fraid i must go now good night to all of you!
Wol Euler: bye ara, sleep well
Mickorod Renard: bye Ara
Agatha Macbeth: Awww, bye Ara
Agatha Macbeth: hope we didn't bore you
Wol Euler: that reminds me of my dream last night, I must write it down for the workshop
arabella Ella: not in the least Aggers you guys here would never bore me!
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, do!
arabella Ella: bye for now!
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Alfred Kelberry: we can calculate the impact speed of a dump taken from the top floor of burj
Agatha Macbeth: Byee
Mickorod Renard: yea wol,,cool
Mickorod Renard: sounds fun Alf
Agatha Macbeth: Then Mick doesn't need to carry the burden
Alfred Kelberry: i bet woly did that
Wol Euler: nah
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Mickorod Renard: I always thought it would be good to have clear piping
Agatha Macbeth: Did what?
Wol Euler: we have engineers who know that for us
Mickorod Renard: the vacuum could be used for other purposes
Agatha Macbeth: Vacuum?
Mickorod Renard: also,,I wanna know why static cant be used for an energy form
Agatha Macbeth: Cos it doesn't move?
Wol Euler: the amperage is too low, mick.
Mickorod Renard: something does though,,to create it
Wol Euler: it just doesn't move fast enough to be useful
Agatha Macbeth: Hence 'static' :p
Wol Euler: like you can't run a watermill from the drip of the tap in your kitchen
Wol Euler: exactly!
Wol Euler: well done
Mickorod Renard: isnt it relative to other objects though?
Agatha Macbeth blows in your ear
Mickorod Renard: nice
Wol Euler: yes but it also has an absolute value
Agatha Macbeth: Not you Mick!
Wol Euler: there is a threshold below which it isn't useful
Mickorod Renard: ok
Wol Euler: though actually thinking about it, perhaps nanorobots could be powered that way
Mickorod Renard: see your point,,but sometimes it packs a punch
Agatha Macbeth: Nano nano Orson
Mickorod Renard: also there must be lots on the motorway
Wol Euler: sure, that's the paradox of it, static electricity can be *very* high voltage, but it moves slowly
Wol Euler: as compared to current from the socket, wich is fairly low voltage but moves fast
Agatha Macbeth: Zzap
Wol Euler: or lightning, which is a huge voltage moving enormously fast
Mickorod Renard: and if we brought back nylon knickers one could maybe recharge a phone from rubbing back and forth on a chair
Agatha Macbeth: That too
Wol Euler grins.
Alfred Kelberry: woly, out of 1.5 billion dollars that were spent to build burj, how much do you think went to the design stage?
Agatha Macbeth: 10c
Wol Euler: probably not more than 9%
Wol Euler: nearer to 7%
Alfred Kelberry: most of it materials?
Wol Euler: do you know?
Alfred Kelberry: nope
Wol Euler: design materials?
Mickorod Renard: maybe that could be a new exhibition,,at pab,,we could all have to make an sl skyscraper and vote for best design?
Wol Euler: we don't charge that way, it's typcially a percentage fee. Our costs are our problem
Alfred Kelberry: no, i mean most of the 1.5 billion
Agatha Macbeth: Mention it to Bleu
Wol Euler: what do you mean by "design materials" though?
Mickorod Renard: how far up is the outer atmosphere in sl?
Agatha Macbeth: Good question
Wol Euler: 4096 is the highest you can build, that is probably where "space" starts in SL
Alfred Kelberry: woly, didn't say it :) i mean construction materials: steel, concrete, etc. i imagine this is what cost the most.
Agatha Macbeth: And glass
Wol Euler: well ..... probably not much more than half actually
   --BELL--1415
Wol Euler: labour is hideously expensive
Alfred Kelberry: that's the news :)
Mickorod Renard: conservatives are more I think,,sort of couter intuitive
Agatha Macbeth: That's why they import illegals to do it
Alfred Kelberry: maybe german labor :)
Wol Euler: and if you count hoisting that ton-and-a-half windowpane up 700 metres towhere it gets installed as part of "labour", then it's at least 50%
Alfred Kelberry: by labor i mean construction workers salary :)
Wol Euler: so do I :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or celery
Wol Euler: oh, scrub that, I see what you mean
Wol Euler: I meant to say that hoisting it up 700 metres is not exactly a material cost
Wol Euler: not as such
Agatha Macbeth: 'My hard hat looks so fetching'
Alfred Kelberry: is labor (workers salary) really "hideously expensive"?
Agatha Macbeth: Usually
Alfred Kelberry: well, that's good
Agatha Macbeth: Wages are the biggest overhead in any business usually
Wol Euler: yep
Mickorod Renard: is there any thoughts on how highrise buildings that are grouped may cause localized climate change?
Alfred Kelberry: except, i find it hard to accept given top execs bonuses
Wol Euler: not to say that they earn a lot of money, but labour costs much more than materials in most cases
Agatha Macbeth: They may stop the clouds Mick ;-)
Wol Euler: definitely, mick, htey interfere with sunlight and ventilation
Alfred Kelberry: mick, interesting question
Wol Euler: and can create interaction effects, wind canyons
Mickorod Renard: yes
Wol Euler: localized mini-tornadoes
Alfred Kelberry: i think of birds. they probably get a bit disoriented.
Agatha Macbeth: Give em a compass then
Alfred Kelberry: oh, wind canyons, yes. those are fun :)
Mickorod Renard: I know some deserts are a result of coastal forrests being removed and thus effecting inland rain fall resulting in killing interior forrestry
Mickorod Renard: with one r
Agatha Macbeth: Arr
Agatha Macbeth: [let's not start the pirate thing again]
Alfred Kelberry: i always want to type two r's in forest :)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe you're thinking of Steve Forrest?
Alfred Kelberry: who is it?
Mickorod Renard: dubai would be a good place to look,,as maybe the change in their skyline has been dramatic over a short span
Wol Euler: Fuerteventura in the canary islands is a prime example of that, mick
Agatha Macbeth: They don't get any rain anyway
Mickorod Renard: yes Wol?
Wol Euler: used to be thickly forested, now a desert
Wol Euler: mostly desert
Mickorod Renard: ahh yes
Alfred Kelberry: mick, it's ok. when the oil is gone, there will be nothing but sand and huge scrapers.
Mickorod Renard: :))
Agatha Macbeth: And camels
Mickorod Renard: have you all got what we call rape crops in your countryside?
Mickorod Renard: that produce rape seed
Alfred Kelberry: folks in 200 years will take pictures of burj ruins and post on facebook
Agatha Macbeth: The yellow stuff that makes oil?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: to both
Alfred Kelberry: yellow stuff?
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering what they are doing with all that rape seed
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, plants, kind of
Alfred Kelberry: p;ants are green
Mickorod Renard: some conspiracy I think
Agatha Macbeth: Well not 'kind of' they *are* plants
Agatha Macbeth: Pants are green?
Agatha Macbeth: Mine aren't
Wol Euler: meh, I don't have enough space on my laptop to install the WoW Pandaria beta :(
Alfred Kelberry: horror!!!
Agatha Macbeth: Is that bad?
Wol Euler: well, yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Alfred Kelberry: uninstall something
Agatha Macbeth: Like the OS
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: nah, I'll just do without for a week
Agatha Macbeth admires Wol's capacity for self-denial
Alfred Kelberry: *admires pila's capacity*
Agatha Macbeth: For?
Alfred Kelberry: same
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Mickorod Renard: [PDF] European Union Rapeseed Supply Deficit to be Supplied by Russia ...www.fas.usda.gov/oilseeds/circular/2007/.../oilseeds1107.pdfYou +1'd this publicly. Undo File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Russia and Ukraine shipped close to 400 thousand tons of rapeseed to the EU during 06/07, triple
Agatha Macbeth: Well Pila has had lots of experience :p
Agatha Macbeth: Nice, Mick
Mickorod Renard: our countryside in the uk is covered with rapeseed crops
Mickorod Renard: whats goin on
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Agatha Macbeth nods and smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the EU will now export it back to Russia ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: A rape mountain
Alfred Kelberry: i think rapeseed is used in fertilizing, no?
Agatha Macbeth: Possibly, don't really know
Alfred Kelberry: it looks pretty, but does not smell good :)
Agatha Macbeth: So don't live next to it :p
Agatha Macbeth: Anyways, time for moi to be movin on
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, take care
Alfred Kelberry: move well and sexy
Agatha Macbeth: Pack well Wol
Wol Euler: actually I hsould too, I hvae stuff to do  (Swedish?)
Wol Euler: ty
Mickorod Renard: well,,its obviously for biofuel, otherwise they would be promoting eating chips more
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Alf and Mick
Mickorod Renard: nite aggers
Alfred Kelberry: rapeseed -> biofuel?
Mickorod Renard: but we dont use that much biofuel I dont think anyway
Wol Euler: also edible, canola oil
Wol Euler: goodngiht, take crae
Wol Euler: *care
Alfred Kelberry: mick, but what's the conspiracy?
Mickorod Renard: nite wol
Alfred Kelberry: too early, woly
Mickorod Renard: well, u made me think of it when u mentioned oil running out
Alfred Kelberry: ah, not soon
Alfred Kelberry: there's a lot of oil still
Mickorod Renard: and I wonder if they are stockpiling it in old indergground mine shafts etc
Alfred Kelberry: to make biofuel later?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Alfred Kelberry: hmm
Alfred Kelberry: strategic stock
Alfred Kelberry: or reserve
Mickorod Renard: I am presuming the eneergy exchange of this plant is particularly efficient
Alfred Kelberry: but you have enough oil off shore, no?
Mickorod Renard: no not really
Alfred Kelberry: what's the uk current energy policy?
Mickorod Renard: and some is not so suitable for purpose
Alfred Kelberry: go green and solar? :)
Mickorod Renard: we are stuck in windfarms
Alfred Kelberry: meh
Mickorod Renard: some posible tidal systems
Alfred Kelberry: not efficient and kill birds
Mickorod Renard: yea
Alfred Kelberry: no nuclear plants?
Mickorod Renard: nuclear is always politically dangerous
Alfred Kelberry: yea...
Mickorod Renard: but yes some
Mickorod Renard: we import much from france
Alfred Kelberry: kudos to france who built them so many
Mickorod Renard: and that nuclear,,but thats ok cos its not on our soil
Mickorod Renard: he he
Alfred Kelberry: nuclear is fine, unless designed poorly :)
Mickorod Renard: I think they are waiting for cleaner and more efficient nuclear systems
Mickorod Renard: yes
Alfred Kelberry: probably fusion
Mickorod Renard: I wonder what happened to cold fission?
Alfred Kelberry: heh
Mickorod Renard: the other thing of course is development in super conductors
Alfred Kelberry: i did research on it a while ago. forgot everything :)
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Mickorod Renard: cool
Alfred Kelberry: oh! room temperature super conductors - nom nom
Alfred Kelberry: this will be a revolution
Mickorod Renard: I suppose as super conductors and products like graphene become more available then the amount we use will drop
Alfred Kelberry: i doubt it. the oil lobby is very powerful.
Mickorod Renard: thats a good point
Alfred Kelberry: plus almost everything is strongly tied to the oil economy
Alfred Kelberry: it will takes decades and more to gradually get off this needle
Mickorod Renard: yea, until there is another way to corner money markets
Alfred Kelberry: current level of greed on the market amazes me
Mickorod Renard: its funny,,I always thought that a reference to world money from neal stephenson in one of his books
Mickorod Renard: seems to explain much
Alfred Kelberry: what book?
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Mickorod Renard: he suggested that if one links money markets to what it underwrites,,like gold
Mickorod Renard: and that there is only so much gold in the world
Mickorod Renard: then its the distribution of that which is underwriten that shifts
Alfred Kelberry: we had the u.s. dollar pegged to gold
Mickorod Renard: yes for sure
Mickorod Renard: but now the other economies around the world are taking a bigger share
Mickorod Renard: its inevitable that those that had it in the past will have to take a cut
Alfred Kelberry: right now gold is made out of thin air :)
Mickorod Renard: unfulfillable promises
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: but when it hits the fan its what is tangiable that will carry value
Mickorod Renard: resourses will be the battle next
Mickorod Renard: africa I think
Mickorod Renard: Alf, I will have to go get some sleep
Mickorod Renard: I have a busy last day tommorow
Mickorod Renard: on holiday next week
Mickorod Renard: :)
Alfred Kelberry: maybe thatcher and reagan were right in their fierce desire to unleash the market without any restraints, but people obviously were not ready for it morally
Alfred Kelberry: oh, it's been the battle for a long time now :)
Alfred Kelberry: ok, mick. you rest well. nice to talk.
Mickorod Renard: yes, it was scary how many chinese came out of Libya
Mickorod Renard: yes thanks alf,,its been fun
Mickorod Renard: good chatting
Mickorod Renard: c u soon
Alfred Kelberry: bye :)