2012.06.17 19:00 - Taboo

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[19:08] Calvino Rabeni: wb !
[19:09] oO0Oo Resident: ty!
[19:10] Alfred Kelberry: mr cal :)
[19:10] Calvino Rabeni: Hey Mr. Boxy
[19:10] Alfred Kelberry: a rare guest
[19:10] Alfred Kelberry: sam :)
[19:10] oO0Oo Resident: Hi Boxy :)
[19:11] Alfred Kelberry: is it your session, cal?
[19:11] Calvino Rabeni: I'm rare even to myself
[19:11] Calvino Rabeni: Yes that explains something, no?

[19:12] Alfred Kelberry: yes, if you had no session, you would not come to sl :)
[19:13] Calvino Rabeni wonders about the truthfulness of that
[19:13] Calvino Rabeni: maybe
[19:13] Alfred Kelberry: i do too on my account

[19:13] Calvino Rabeni: I like sitting in cafe's though ... lots going on there
[19:13] Calvino Rabeni: and it
[19:14] Calvino Rabeni: takes some work to get there ... a half hour walk
[19:14] Alfred Kelberry: mica is closing down. you heard?
[19:14] Calvino Rabeni: I didn't know that !
[19:14] Alfred Kelberry: yep...
[19:14] Calvino Rabeni: Will you miss it?
[19:15] oO0Oo Resident: What provoked that Boxy?
[19:15] Alfred Kelberry: yes, i liked their staturday's lectures and mere presence of a science community was uplifting
[19:16] Alfred Kelberry: it's fuzzy. no actual reason has been given.
[19:16] Calvino Rabeni: that's interesting, how does the science lift effect happen?
[19:16] Calvino Rabeni: No reason ? Hmm, (notices red ring)
[19:16] Calvino Rabeni: Ok
[19:16] Calvino Rabeni: Sounds like it could be good to have some reasons
[19:17] Calvino Rabeni: Wb Sam :)
[19:17] Alfred Kelberry: cal, as opposed to malls, sex, etc in sl, which prevail

[19:18] Alfred Kelberry: george said that it was an experiment that has now ended
[19:18] Alfred Kelberry: my guess it's a gradual decline of sl popularity

[19:19] Calvino Rabeni: SL is pretty big isn't it ... I wonder if there are ways to track its use e.g. by social purpose, such as a pie showing malls, fighting ... fashion .. philosophy ... sex ... science (etc.)

[19:20] Alfred Kelberry: it's not buzzword worthy anymore which makes it harder to sell to get funding or look straight in your less virtual colleague faces

[19:20] Calvino Rabeni: do you have a hypothesis about the possible reasons for a decinne in popularity?
[19:21] Calvino Rabeni: buzz fueled, partly
[19:22] Calvino Rabeni: the other social media platforms are compelling too
[19:22] Calvino Rabeni: for chat, etc.
[19:23] Calvino Rabeni: and lots of VOIP for voice and video
[19:23] Calvino Rabeni: but one of the draws of SL that it is a great creative outlet

[19:23] Alfred Kelberry: i think we need the next stride in virtual worlds development to reignite the interest
[19:23] Calvino Rabeni: although it never became easy
[19:23] Calvino Rabeni: (yet?)_
[19:24] Calvino Rabeni: Oh yes, SL seems a bit stagnant technologically
[19:24] Calvino Rabeni: I'd say its content has developed a lot

[19:24] Calvino Rabeni: what do you think the next strides might be?
[19:25] Alfred Kelberry: heh, i don't know. when i wrote this, i somehow thought of google glasses :)
[19:26] Alfred Kelberry: i don't follow the virtual worlds development, so can't draw any predictions

[19:26] Aphrodite Macbain: Hello
[19:26] Calvino Rabeni: Crossovers perhaps
[19:26] Calvino Rabeni: Hi Aph
[19:26] Aphrodite Macbain: Tech talk?
[19:26] Calvino Rabeni: WB Sam
[19:27] Calvino Rabeni zips lips
[19:27] Calvino Rabeni: Not me :)

[19:27] Alfred Kelberry: cal, i think it has to be a new level of perception and control of the 3d world
[19:27] Alfred Kelberry: aph :)
[19:28] Alfred Kelberry: oh my, you fancy parisian girl :)
[19:28] Aphrodite Macbain: grins
[19:28] Aphrodite Macbain: I'm all dressed up with nowhere to go
[19:28] Aphrodite Macbain: I was hoping we'd have some dancing
[19:28] Alfred Kelberry: the ball was canceled?
[19:28] Aphrodite Macbain: no, it's over
[19:28] Aphrodite Macbain: waaaa
[19:28] Calvino Rabeni: what was the occasion?
[19:29] Aphrodite Macbain: a wedding
[19:29] Alfred Kelberry: oh, sweet
[19:29] Aphrodite Macbain: any excuse to show off
[19:29] Aphrodite Macbain: one's clothes...
[19:29] Alfred Kelberry: who did you get married? :)
[19:29] Aphrodite Macbain: I didn't someone else did
[19:29] Aphrodite Macbain: Form the haem Royal Courts
[19:29] Aphrodite Macbain: ahem
[19:30] Alfred Kelberry: did you wish it was you who's getting married? :)
[19:30] Aphrodite Macbain: absolutly not
[19:30] Alfred Kelberry: hehe
[19:30] Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
[19:31] Alfred Kelberry: you and cal look good together :)

[19:32] Aphrodite Macbain: Actually, people ignored me.. I think it was becase I wasn't a queen or duchess or countess or some kind of ess
[19:32] Alfred Kelberry: how did they know you weren't?
[19:32] Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps you werent the -est -ess
[19:33] Aphrodite Macbain: My name at the top
[19:33] Aphrodite Macbain: I wasnt an ess at all
[19:33] Aphrodite Macbain: and these wigs sort of itch
[19:33] Alfred Kelberry: oh, they assign the titles in the group?
[19:34] Aphrodite Macbain: You can apply to be royalty or aristocracy or just palin old common.I decided to be common
[19:34] Alfred Kelberry: ah...
[19:34] Aphrodite Macbain: hard to believe with this wig.
[19:34] Alfred Kelberry: role play thing :)
[19:34] Aphrodite Macbain: yes.
[19:35] Alfred Kelberry: neat
[19:35] Aphrodite Macbain: but I made it up as I went along

[19:35] Alfred Kelberry: what's the proportion of aristocracy to commoners?
[19:35] Aphrodite Macbain: Mme DuBarry was there- the mistress of Lois XV
[19:35] Alfred Kelberry: :)
[19:35] Aphrodite Macbain: aftr MMe la Pompadour had died of tuberculosis
[19:36] Aphrodite Macbain: I dont kknow but I doubt if many would want that role exept the most socialist of avis
[19:36] Aphrodite Macbain: People are there to play dress up
[19:36] Aphrodite Macbain: It's a very odd place.
[19:37] Calvino Rabeni: No doubt :)
[19:37] Aphrodite Macbain: Someone should do theier doctoral thesis on the role play stuff
[19:37] Aphrodite Macbain: It's like playing dolls

[19:38] Aphrodite Macbain: I am looking for places in Venice Boxy,,,,,
[19:38] Alfred Kelberry: there are a lot of studies
[19:38] Calvino Rabeni: Ah ... how about this
[19:38] Calvino Rabeni: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...r=&btnG=Search
[19:38] Aphrodite Macbain: are there?
[19:38] Calvino Rabeni: 2,280 results
[19:38] Alfred Kelberry: we role play even now
[19:39] Aphrodite Macbain: Yes, it's true and I have learned an awful lot about 18th century europe
[19:39] Calvino Rabeni: heh
[19:39] Alfred Kelberry: do share a few things :)
[19:40] Aphrodite Macbain: Did you the 7 years war was fought in Europe, N America, India, ummmand somewhere else

[19:40] Calvino Rabeni: somehow that reminds me of when people would take a shot of whiskey "for medicinal purposes" :)
[19:40] Aphrodite Macbain: any old excuse...
[19:40] Calvino Rabeni: It's "for educational purposes"
[19:40] Aphrodite Macbain: smiles

[19:40] Alfred Kelberry: i hardly recall the 7 years war :)
[19:40] Aphrodite Macbain: he he
[19:40] Aphrodite Macbain: Neither did I until, nw
[19:40] Aphrodite Macbain: Now.
[19:41] Aphrodite Macbain: I also have learned about Venice and its history, and the slave trade

[19:41] Aphrodite Macbain: A lot of universities use SL - Their students have fun rping
[19:42] Calvino Rabeni: some things are okay to have in a fantasy framework .. others more solidly taboo
[19:42] Aphrodite Macbain: not sure how much sinks in but it is experiential and is good for those who learn through action

[19:43] Alfred Kelberry: cal, why would there be a taboo in a fantasy world?
[19:43] Calvino Rabeni: because it has too much linkage to the real world
[19:43] Calvino Rabeni: because we are the same people in both places
[19:43] Alfred Kelberry: hmm

[19:43] Aphrodite Macbain: The fact that I'm sitting here on a rubber ring in a wig and stays is talking to you is certainly fantasy
[19:44] Aphrodite Macbain: why is that taboo and who makes it taboo?

[19:44] Calvino Rabeni: I think there's not a taboo about sitting on rubber rings
[19:44] Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
[19:44] Calvino Rabeni: so you're safe
[19:44] Aphrodite Macbain: there should be

[19:44] Alfred Kelberry: cal, reminds me of an argument that if you play 3d shooters on computer, you're a potential killer in rl :)
[19:45] Calvino Rabeni: explain it to me
[19:45] Aphrodite Macbain: listens
[19:45] Alfred Kelberry: you say there's a strong linkage between the two
[19:45] Alfred Kelberry: hence taboo must have been set on fantasy
[19:45] Alfred Kelberry: if i got that correctly
[19:48] Alfred Kelberry: ha, it works on tinies
[19:48] Aphrodite Macbain: yayy
[19:48] Aphrodite Macbain: watch out. youuuu may fall through

[19:48] Calvino Rabeni: Yes .. for instance in the US it is illegal to possess porno of children, and people get jailed for it ... regardless of whether they have any relationship with real people who are minors
[19:49] Calvino Rabeni: because it is presumed that posession has a real-world effect .. it is not just fantasy
[19:49] Calvino Rabeni: even an indirect effect
[19:49] Aphrodite Macbain: but that can't be applied to everything
[19:49] Calvino Rabeni: and if I'm not mistaken, the same goes for Second Life
[19:50] Aphrodite Macbain: In what way Cal?

[19:50] Calvino Rabeni: the point being, fantasy is fine until someone gets hurt in the "real" world
[19:50] Calvino Rabeni: that is, if there's a presumed link, it's not fantasy enough
[19:50] Calvino Rabeni: it has to be partly real and partly fake
[19:51] Alfred Kelberry: yes, there has to be balance

[19:51] Aphrodite Macbain: But when does it become taboo? at what point?
[19:51] Aphrodite Macbain: when it has been demonstrated there is a cause and effect?
[19:51] Alfred Kelberry: i do not however can see any "direct" linkage here

[19:51] Calvino Rabeni: when there are presumed real world consequences that are strong enough to be of concern, then the taboo forms
[19:52] Aphrodite Macbain: a taboo first and then a law...
[19:52] Alfred Kelberry: i think the buzz the media does about various taboos is no less "damaging" than fantasies about them
[19:52] Calvino Rabeni: people can have "slaves" here ... and play at it in RL, but child sex still maintains its taboo status
[19:53] Calvino Rabeni: it's partly because of how real it is
[19:53] Aphrodite Macbain: real?
[19:54] Aphrodite Macbain: you mean is really happening in RL?
[19:54] Aphrodite Macbain: getting dizzy

[19:54] Calvino Rabeni: yes, e.g. it's somewhat hard to coerce adults into abusive relationships, but there are children all over the place in private settings, so the moral thinking moves to a protective stance
[19:55] Alfred Kelberry: it is real and has to be dealt with, but when you make too much stress on it in the media, it has a negative effect in my view
[19:55] oO0Oo Resident: Habbo Hotel?
[19:55] Aphrodite Macbain: I find it interesting that no gambling- play or otherwise is allowed in SL but slavery is.
[19:56] Aphrodite Macbain: Habbo Hotel?
[19:56] Calvino Rabeni: I think I agree, Boxy
[19:56] oO0Oo Resident: http://is.gd/CQjkCE
[19:57] Aphrodite Macbain: what kind of negative effect Boxy?
[19:57] Alfred Kelberry: you can be checked by a cop if you happen to stop near a kindergarten by chance. this is crazy.
[19:57] Aphrodite Macbain: nods. paranoia
[19:57] Calvino Rabeni: It is kind of crazy
[19:57] Aphrodite Macbain: yuuuuk
[19:58] Calvino Rabeni: There are different climates in different countries, I think

[19:59] Calvino Rabeni: For instance there's a cafe nearby (in REAL life that is) with a section that has both comfy sofas, and childrens toys. When there are no children present, adults sit there. Equally men and women.
[19:59] Calvino Rabeni: Is that a presumed moral action?
[20:00] Aphrodite Macbain: why would it be? Peraps the sofas are very comfy
[20:00] Alfred Kelberry: aph, i don't understand. what's wrong here?
[20:01] Aphrodite Macbain: ?
[20:01] Alfred Kelberry: your example with the cafe
[20:01] Calvino Rabeni: Yes - In this part of the world someone may think "those look like comfy sofas"
[20:01] Alfred Kelberry: i don't get the point
[20:01] Calvino Rabeni: in another ... that the person is perving, waiting for children to appear
[20:01] Aphrodite Macbain: me neither
[20:01] Aphrodite Macbain: oh!
[20:02] Aphrodite Macbain: or maybe not
[20:02] Alfred Kelberry: why did you bring it up then? :)
[20:02] Calvino Rabeni: or sort of fethishing on the toyes and such
[20:02] Aphrodite Macbain: Poor Sam
[20:02] Calvino Rabeni: It gets frustrating having a net connection that keeps going down
[20:03] Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- he's very patient.
[20:03] Alfred Kelberry: i think american political correctness has gone to a point when it's damaging to society :)

[20:03] Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to go and remove these silly clothes .
[20:04] Aphrodite Macbain: Is there nopolitical correctness in Europe Boxy?
[20:04] Alfred Kelberry: nothing like in the u.s.
[20:04] Calvino Rabeni: My point is, it seems more easy going in the US
[20:04] Aphrodite Macbain: wonder why..
[20:04] Aphrodite Macbain: Nite all
[20:04] Calvino Rabeni: the cafe example was US .. evidently Canady also
[20:04] Calvino Rabeni: *a
[20:04] Aphrodite Macbain: Good to see you Sam
[20:04] Calvino Rabeni: Good night
[20:05] Alfred Kelberry: cal, easy going? when each step is pestered with various taboos?
[20:05] Calvino Rabeni: Yes, my example was that it was much less fraught in US and Candada
[20:05] Alfred Kelberry: when you watch what you say and what words you pick in order to not offend this or that minority group?
[20:05] Calvino Rabeni: no one worried about single adults sitting in the child section
[20:05] Alfred Kelberry: this is insane
[20:06] Calvino Rabeni: just a sample of one
[20:06] Calvino Rabeni: but yes, I think the reputation is exaggerated compared to the reality
[20:07] Calvino Rabeni: What do you know about the origin of "political correctness"?
[20:07] oO0Oo Resident: Habbo Hotel investigation: http://is.gd/Lgv60i
[20:07] Calvino Rabeni: (I ask that as an information question, not a rhetorical one :) )

[20:07] Calvino Rabeni: Hi Cinda :)
[20:08] oO0Oo Resident: Hi Luci !
[20:08] Lucinda Lavender: Hi Cal, Sam, Boxy:)
[20:09] Lucinda Lavender: how is everyone?
[20:09] oO0Oo Resident: Okay thanks
[20:09] Lucinda Lavender: no need to let that question interrupt the flow...
[20:09] Lucinda Lavender: carry on...
[20:09] Calvino Rabeni: Everyone is okay thanks
[20:10] Alfred Kelberry: cal, i think a big effect on it in the u.s. had the struggle between white and black communities
[20:10] Alfred Kelberry: luci :)
[20:10] Lucinda Lavender: :)
[20:10] Alfred Kelberry: or is it afro-american now? :)
[20:11] Alfred Kelberry: how are your chickens, luci?

[20:12] Calvino Rabeni: Are your chickens being accorded their full rights ? :)
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: one got sick and now there are 4.
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: the little red hen we called her.
[20:12] Lucinda Lavender: I suppose they have rights
[20:12] Alfred Kelberry: aww
[20:13] Lucinda Lavender: food water nesting boxes

[20:13] Calvino Rabeni: The brain of /me crosses chickens and political correctness, it comes up with the following
[20:13] Calvino Rabeni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LBICPEK6w
[20:14] Alfred Kelberry: cal, oh yes. this "no x was harmed during y" is another negative effect of it :)
[20:15] Alfred Kelberry: cal, not available here :)
[20:15] Alfred Kelberry: must be a taboo
[20:15] Calvino Rabeni: it's legal
[20:16] Calvino Rabeni: you might know enough about proxies to defeat their geo-tagging of IP's?
[20:18] Lucinda Lavender: great link cal

[20:18] Calvino Rabeni: I think Boxy you might be made of waxed paper, or at least, laminated,
[20:18] Lucinda Lavender: haha
[20:18] Calvino Rabeni: avoiding getting soggy going round and round
[20:18] Calvino Rabeni: I also liked this link "Feminist Bookstore" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohk-E...feature=relmfu
[20:18] Calvino Rabeni: sorry Boxy
[20:19] Calvino Rabeni: wish I knew of a proxy server so you could see it too
[20:19] Alfred Kelberry: cal, i do know, but don't have enough incentive :)
[20:20] Alfred Kelberry: there's no youtube video that i want to watch that badly :)
[20:20] Calvino Rabeni: it costs?
[20:21] Alfred Kelberry: what does?
[20:21] Calvino Rabeni: watching youtube, else you wouldn't have a cost/benefit scenario
[20:22] Lucinda Lavender: amazing video...
[20:22] Alfred Kelberry: um... i said i don't have enough incentive to do it :)
[20:22] Alfred Kelberry: i.e. i'm totally fine not watching it
[20:22] Alfred Kelberry: there's no cost scenario here
[20:22] Calvino Rabeni: i took that to mean it requires some work
[20:23] Calvino Rabeni: effort, etc.
[20:23] Alfred Kelberry: ah, i get it

[20:26] Calvino Rabeni: BTW, I was reading a newspaper made of paper in a cafe made of wood (stone and metal), and noticed an article that stated
[20:26] Calvino Rabeni: "Research has indicated that 60% of Americans feel anxious when they are not in contact with a technological device for one hour"

[20:27] Lucinda Lavender: I have to do something to connect with mysisterin law ..just back shortly..
[20:28] Calvino Rabeni: Boxy, maybe this link works for you?
[20:28] Calvino Rabeni: http://www.ifc.com/videos/portlandia-is-it-local
[20:31] Alfred Kelberry: nope
[20:32] Calvino Rabeni: :(
[20:32] Alfred Kelberry: thank you, cal
[20:32] Calvino Rabeni: YW
[20:32] Calvino Rabeni: sorry
[20:32] Alfred Kelberry: it's alright :)
[20:32] Alfred Kelberry: oh, everyone left
[20:32] Calvino Rabeni: cinda said she would return
[20:33] Alfred Kelberry: ah, right

[20:33] Alfred Kelberry: do you like country?
[20:33] Calvino Rabeni: I'm a little inspired by your "I can live without Youtube" stance
[20:33] Calvino Rabeni: Country music?
[20:35] Alfred Kelberry: heh, re: youtube - i read an article by one developer. he did an experiment: one month without social media. he said it was the best, most productive month in his life :)
[20:35] Alfred Kelberry: yes, country music
[20:36] Calvino Rabeni: Which country ? :)
[20:36] Alfred Kelberry: i'm thinking of conducting such an experiment myself :)
[20:36] Alfred Kelberry: er, the u.s. - midwest :)
[20:36] Calvino Rabeni: It would need to include SL, Boxy, are you up for that?
[20:37] Alfred Kelberry: sl is the least of my concerns :)
[20:37] Calvino Rabeni: I'm pretty urban-west, my tastes aren't too agrarian
[20:37] Calvino Rabeni: bigger fish to fry than SL, eh?
[20:37] Alfred Kelberry: ha! ok :)
[20:37] Alfred Kelberry: not particularly bigger. tastier maybe :)
[20:38] Calvino Rabeni licks lips
[20:38] Alfred Kelberry: re: country music - despite my social liberal stance, i quite enjoy it :)
[20:38] Calvino Rabeni: wonders what fish you have in mind
[20:38] Calvino Rabeni: nods

[20:39] Calvino Rabeni: Do you have any Ex's from Texas? :)
[20:39] Alfred Kelberry: my dad would certainly fit in there :)
[20:41] Calvino Rabeni: Might want to think twice about dating anyone whose family motto is "Lock and Load"
[20:42] Alfred Kelberry: that's my preference :)
[20:42] Calvino Rabeni: My one foray in that direction ... more of a sortie, actually, involved a family of Librarians
[20:42] Calvino Rabeni: although they were pretty big into Cotton
[20:43] Alfred Kelberry: yes, sortie - back to balance
[20:43] Calvino Rabeni: I thought the oral recitations of book reviews in that sultry East Texas accent to be quite charming
[20:44] Alfred Kelberry: :)
[20:44] Alfred Kelberry: romantic cal :)
[20:44] Calvino Rabeni: Books and Bourbon, Texas style :)
[20:47] Calvino Rabeni: Would you excuse me .. I have a Texas-sized pot of Chili con Carne in the kitchen ... ?
[20:47] Alfred Kelberry: oh, enjoy it :)
[20:47] Calvino Rabeni: TY, be well Boxy, bfn
[20:47] Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the company
[20:48] Calvino Rabeni: smiles
[20:48] Calvino Rabeni: YW