2012.11.30 19:00 - reading old notes, kenosis

The Guardian for this meeting was druth Vlodovic. The comments are by druth Vlodovic.

Catrinamonblue Resident: hello
Catrinamonblue Resident: what are we talking about?
druth Vlodovic: hi cat
Catrinamonblue Resident: topic?
druth Vlodovic: I don't think we have one
Catrinamonblue Resident: hindsight
druth Vlodovic: or filling up, we can recycle :)
Catrinamonblue Resident: so what does hindsight say to you
druth Vlodovic: "watch where you're going"
Catrinamonblue Resident: not look where you have been?
druth Vlodovic: is it useful to see where you've been?
Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes i think
Catrinamonblue Resident: so as not to repeat mistakes
Catrinamonblue Resident: hopefully
druth Vlodovic: or to remember joys
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes those are very important
stevenaia Michinaga: snow?
--BELL--
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Druth, CAt
druth Vlodovic: hi steve and eos
Catrinamonblue Resident: HI Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: hi Eoa
stevenaia Michinaga: Eos
Eos Amaterasu: hi slowly rezzing, snowing
stevenaia Michinaga: finally dressed appropriately for the weather
druth Vlodovic: we were trying to get started on the topic :)
druth Vlodovic: any suggestions?
stevenaia Michinaga: Hindsight?
Eos Amaterasu listens (what topic?)
stevenaia Michinaga: this week's theme
stevenaia Michinaga: ?
Eos Amaterasu: hindsight?
druth Vlodovic: they talked about elaborating on the topics but I sugested leaving it at one word, i think I regret that now

quotes about hindsight

stevenaia Michinaga: Para found a site of Hindsight quotes.... not many were endorsing it as useful
druth Vlodovic: do you have a link?
stevenaia Michinaga: will look at my log, one moment

stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.notable-quotes.com/h/hindsight_quotes.html
 

chatlogs!,  er notes.

Eos Amaterasu: Here's an example:
Eos Amaterasu: lots of people take notes
Eos Amaterasu: very few people read their notes
Eos Amaterasu: let alone read them regularly
Eos Amaterasu: study the tracks you make
druth Vlodovic: have you ever gone back and re-read your notes?
Eos Amaterasu: rarely :-)
Eos Amaterasu: but yes, sometimes
Catrinamonblue Resident: I sometime go back and reread my old journals,
Catrinamonblue Resident: it's interesting to see how much I've changed

Eos Amaterasu: Pema told us once he keeps a running note log, and evey day rereads what was put in there 10 days ago

stevenaia Michinaga: http://www.notable-quotes.com/h/hindsight_quotes.html
druth Vlodovic: I mainly do notes when things are stressful, so re-reading them can be a bit odd, not to mention disturbing
Eos Amaterasu: but probably very rich!
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eos Amaterasu: you can be Shakespearean with yourself
druth Vlodovic: "alas poor yorik!"
Eos Amaterasu: your emotions and your emotions re-projected
Eos Amaterasu: is the latter a form of play?
stevenaia Michinaga: reprojected? Druth
druth Vlodovic: emotive writing tends not to be very organized
druth Vlodovic: unless it triggers memories it tends to be confusing
druth Vlodovic: ymmv
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, like dream fragments?

memories

stevenaia Michinaga: hard to have hindsight w/o memories, unless it's hindsight fiction
Catrinamonblue Resident: my journals tend to be much more complete,
Eos Amaterasu: complete stories?
Catrinamonblue Resident: more or less
Eos Amaterasu: stories with that je ne sais quoi enoughness
Catrinamonblue Resident: oh maybe not so much that, just to me it's a narrative of my life, each day is written out with begining middle and end
Catrinamonblue Resident: emotions and actions included to try to give a complete picture
stevenaia Michinaga: is it written before, after or during?
--BELL--
Catrinamonblue Resident: usually at the end of each day, but there are gaps of time where I do not write. Sometimes life is rather boring and doesn't want to be written.
Eos Amaterasu: in between surnise and sunset, sunset and sunrise
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eos Amaterasu: sometimes you can feel the earth life waking up at dawn
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Geo
Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Geo
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
druth Vlodovic: hey geo
stevenaia Michinaga: waves Geo
Geo Netizen: Namaste :)
druth Vlodovic: are you new here geo?
Eos Amaterasu: the topic of "hindsight" is being considered....
Geo Netizen nods
druth Vlodovic: ah,I have to tell you we're being recorded and a copy will be posted on the 'net
druth Vlodovic: is that ok?
Geo Netizen bows deeply to stevenaia
Eos Amaterasu: Geo was part of PaB back when :-)
stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see you again
Geo Netizen nods in acknowledgment
druth Vlodovic: 'k, he's been forewarned then :)
stevenaia Michinaga: foretold :)
druth Vlodovic: we were talking about keeping notes,and then re-reading them later
druth Vlodovic: do you do that geo?

connecting to life, and drifting...

Eos Amaterasu: one sense of hindsight is that you see your life as a lifetime
Eos Amaterasu: a finite set of gestures
Geo Netizen: Re : Sometimes life is rather boring and doesn't want to be written … I humbly submit that this is when we are somehow not fully connected to the richness of the reality that we live in. It is, then, our lack of accurate perception.
Catrinamonblue Resident: yes I agree
Catrinamonblue Resident: it's a time when i don't feel connected to my life and just drift along
Geo Netizen: Yet, I find that drifting through reality is sometimes just what I need.
Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
Eos Amaterasu blows the dandelions....
Geo Netizen smiles
Eos Amaterasu: re connection, feeling connected... when that's there sky connects through you to earth at your feet, makes sense
Eos Amaterasu: but sometimes you drift :-)
Catrinamonblue Resident: I wonder if when we are drifting we really should be writing, that in those drifty moments there are those some connections that can be felt but not seen
Catrinamonblue Resident: and I wonder if the process of putting pen to paper
Catrinamonblue Resident: would help to show those connections
--BELL--
Geo Netizen: In connecting to the sense of drifting, it may be that we (I) connection in a profound way with something more fundamental than the temporal reality that is usual and customary to the contemporary world
stevenaia Michinaga: I find it very meditative to put pen to paper, more to draw than to place words together
Geo Netizen: So maybe not then but sometime it might be good to process (write about) those experiences
Eos Amaterasu: hmm, so discovering inside the letting go.....
Catrinamonblue Resident: what do you think Druth?
Eos Amaterasu: I guess the 90 second gap are like experiences and then the discussion writes about them (sometimes)
Eos Amaterasu: somewhat of an artifical form, but form sometimes helps
Catrinamonblue Resident: gtg guys night
Geo Netizen bows
stevenaia Michinaga: night Cat
Eos Amaterasu: night Cat
Geo Netizen: The letting go (apophatic) is always something that defines recording … yet we are always drawn to the attempt.
Eos Amaterasu: defies?
Geo Netizen:
Geo Netizen: :)

letting go/drifting

Eos Amaterasu: Buddha holding a flower, with Ksyapa
stevenaia Michinaga: you can always let go of more, even when you are left with only awareness
Eos Amaterasu: there seem to be subtle hangings on
Geo Netizen: Easily said … the letting go :)
Eos Amaterasu: as you said before, letting go, or being in let go, is the natural condition
Eos Amaterasu: stopping hanging on is hard
Eos Amaterasu: I like PaB as a secular medium to do that with a shared community
Geo Netizen: I personally don’t experience it as natural. … the natural for me is more a grasping at self-affirmation.
Geo Netizen: It more natural to give in to the will to power …
stevenaia Michinaga: is will power ever pervasive?
Geo Netizen: Kenosis is the proper goal … and I’m far from it
stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosis
Eos Amaterasu: Wikipedia: In Christian theology, Kenosis (from the Greek word for emptiness κένωσις (kénōsis)) is the 'self-emptying' of one's own will and becoming entirely receptive to God's divine will.
Geo Netizen: Looking at the local news, I’d say that will to power is the norm …
Eos Amaterasu: yes
Eos Amaterasu: but there's also lots of kenosis
Geo Netizen nods and smiles
--BELL--
Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, bell! Thank you, Stevenaia and druth and Geo!
Eos Amaterasu: midnight here - good night!
stevenaia Michinaga: night Eos
Geo Netizen: A small correction on Kenosis … it is when my will connects so fully with a fundamental reality that it is communion with the divine realty. It is not subjection as some would have it.
Geo Netizen bows
stevenaia Michinaga: bedtime for me too, interedting concept
stevenaia Michinaga: interesting
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Geo Netizen smiles
stevenaia Michinaga: night Geo, Druth, gtsy both
Geo Netizen: that it is communion with the divine realty. It is not subjection as some would have it. May blessing descend on you Druth like dew fall … good night