2013.02.12 19:00 - deeply seen and let go

     

    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

     

    Catrinamonblue Resident: 's current display-name is "Catrinamonblue".
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cat
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Eos


    --BELL--


    Eos Amaterasu: the first bell has no special effects
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :) no
    Eos Amaterasu: Catrinamonblue Resident: Vulnerability - letting ourselves be deeply seen. living whole heartedly (to tell the story of who you are with your whole heart) with gratitude believing I am enough I am worthy letting go control. Ted talk Brene Brown: The power of vulnerability http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCvms...endscreen&NR=1
    Eos Amaterasu: (from the Guardian Session on Sunday)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes :)

    Eos Amaterasu: "letting ourselves be deeply seen"
    Eos Amaterasu: by ourselves, then by others?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: to the very core of how we are
    Eos Amaterasu: why is that important, or urgent, to be seen to the very core?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: thinking
    Catrinamonblue Resident: to be understood
    Catrinamonblue Resident: to know we are ok as we are
    Eos Amaterasu: ummm
    Catrinamonblue Resident: words are not with me tonight
    Eos Amaterasu: that's okay (you're doing pretty well :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: no dancing on the keyboard :)

    Eos Amaterasu: is that a kind of loneliness, there?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: validation maybe though I think maybe we shouldn't need it
    Catrinamonblue Resident: loneliness yes I think there is
    Catrinamonblue Resident: to be seen to be heard?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: to be understood
    Eos Amaterasu: "you lose yourself, you re-appear, you suddenly find you have nothing to fear, alone you stand, with nobody near, till some trembling distant voice unclear startles your sleeping ear to hear that somebody thinks they've really found you" - Bob Dylan
    Catrinamonblue Resident: wow yes
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe there's a bit of that loneliness of mindfulness
    Eos Amaterasu: that you can't dwell anywhere, including on yourself
    Eos Amaterasu: so absent yourself you are aware
    Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
    Eos Amaterasu: less agenda: you can listen to yourself, see your agendas
    Eos Amaterasu: the listening is bigger

    Eos Amaterasu: How do we notice vulnerability?
    Eos Amaterasu: Let's try that in upcoming 90 second pause
    Catrinamonblue Resident: k
    Catrinamonblue Resident: k

    --BELL--

    Catrinamonblue Resident: vulnerability is letting go control, allowing another person to do what they need to even though that may cause you hurt
    Catrinamonblue Resident: letting go
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm, yes
    Eos Amaterasu: there's also the same thing, just changing "other person" to you :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: mabye there's more humor in that
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: vulnerability is letting go control, allowingyou to do what you need to even though that may cause you hurt
    Catrinamonblue Resident: change
    Catrinamonblue Resident: control is trying to keep everything the same
    Catrinamonblue Resident: letting go is allowing change
    Eos Amaterasu: so your old self dies
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes

    Eos Amaterasu: that's kind of a larger dimension of vulnerability - the poignancy of experience each moment in the perspective of your finite bubble of apparent existence
    Eos Amaterasu: I won't be able to hold on to any of this
    Eos Amaterasu: nevertheless, it is sweetly there
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I like that :)
    Eos Amaterasu: like this pavilion has a kind of non-existence
    Eos Amaterasu: nevertheless it is open and welcoming and nourishing
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I guess when you finally accept yourself you can let yourself go
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: kind of ironic
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: but it also seems hard to be vulnerable
    Catrinamonblue Resident: there is fear in letting go, what if I fall?
    Eos Amaterasu: to really accept someone else, be with them, you also let go yourself
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, that's the thing about letting go, isn't it?
    Eos Amaterasu: you don't know if or where you'll end up

    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Aph
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Aph
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe, re "fear in letting go, what if i fail?", that bigger perspective comes in - this bubble will burst anyway
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hell you two
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu thinks, how rude :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I think she meant hello :)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: oops

    --BELL--

    Aphrodite Macbain: solly
    Eos Amaterasu: we've been taking off from what Cat said at guardian meeting:
    Eos Amaterasu: [19:03] Eos Amaterasu: Catrinamonblue Resident: Vulnerability - letting ourselves be deeply seen. living whole heartedly (to tell the story of who you are with your whole heart) with gratitude believing I am enough I am worthy letting go control.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks EOs.
    Aphrodite Macbain: I would love to be able to do this. I think one can start with one's partner.
    Catrinamonblue Resident: we have been talking mostly on letting go control
    Eos Amaterasu: Humour has a bit of that aspect of letting go control
    Eos Amaterasu: like little bits of control losing can elecit gasp or aha or haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: by taking things lightly?
    Eos Amaterasu: "and I think I like it"
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, taking things lightly
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- it can be a delicate operation
    Eos Amaterasu: with space and light around them
    Aphrodite Macbain: and compassionate communication
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
    Hana Furlough: 's current display-name is "Hana".
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Hana!
    Hana Furlough: Hi Eos, Cat, and Aph
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hi Hanna
    Hana Furlough: (and sorry for standing on you, Aph)
    Eos Amaterasu: the in your face landing approach :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: you were very light
    Hana Furlough: haha yes. thanks
    Eos Amaterasu: our avatars here are weightless, so we can take them more lightly
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Aphrodite Macbain: we are talking about how to create trust and a space for others to be vulnerable
    Hana Furlough: sounds like a good approach
    Eos Amaterasu: and about letting go
    Hana Furlough: ahh ok
    Catrinamonblue Resident: others and ourselves
    Aphrodite Macbain: but the need for a space place to let go in
    Aphrodite Macbain: It can be created.
    Eos Amaterasu: when you have no agenda, the other is just suspended in space, and comes through loud and clear
    Aphrodite Macbain: It requires being sensitive to the fears and needs of the other
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: what is hurtful
    Aphrodite Macbain: why people close up
    Aphrodite Macbain: it also takes courage for the vulnerable person to state their needs and fears
    Eos Amaterasu: their needs and fears might turn out to be non-issues in the presence of space
    Eos Amaterasu: non-issues to themselves

    Hana Furlough: space is kind of scary though
    Eos Amaterasu: very
    Hana Furlough: as a concept
    Eos Amaterasu: why is that?
    Hana Furlough: because it might feel like nothingness
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes- each one of us is different
    Eos Amaterasu: or how do you experience that?
    Eos Amaterasu: ah might feel like nothingness - can you say more?
    Hana Furlough: or powerlessness
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes. It takes compassion

    Eos Amaterasu: let's try it in the upcoming 90 seconds
    Eos Amaterasu: jump into space
    Eos Amaterasu: jump into nothingness

    Aphrodite Macbain: nothingness for me is extremely frightening. I would curl up in a ball inside nothigness
    Eos Amaterasu: jump over the edge
    Hana Furlough: yeah nothingness would be something like total chaos
    Aphrodite Macbain: free fall
    Eos Amaterasu: whatever that means to you
    Hana Furlough: without justice and compassion
    Catrinamonblue Resident: I have already been kicked over the edge with a parachute and the instructions just have to figure it out before I hit the bottom
    Aphrodite Macbain: with no structure or boundaries
    Eos Amaterasu: ah, yes Hana, that's on the mark, I think, fear of chaos
    Hana Furlough: : ) at cat
    Hana Furlough: yeah
    Eos Amaterasu: okay, time to jump!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: 3, 2, 1 go
    Hana Furlough: like now, nothing is ever going to work if i stop trying to control things
    Aphrodite Macbain: canon ball approach to jumping
    Hana Furlough: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: noooooooooooooooooo
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)

    --BELL--

    Catrinamonblue Resident: Hana I am a control freak, grew up one and have always been in control. Now I am learning to let go and at first I though I never would be able to but the fear is baseless, and letting go control has been like taking a deep breath and letting it out slowly, like a meditation :) and the fear evaporates
    Hana Furlough: yeah i find that is true as well, but there is of course a lingering fear
    Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: how were your jumps?
    Hana Furlough: a fear that makes these kinds of discussions possible
    Hana Furlough: pleasant. and you, eos?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: like a breath Eos :)
    Eos Amaterasu: started out not trying to do anything, just let go , let go
    Eos Amaterasu: things kind of brightened up, in an energized space
    Eos Amaterasu: attention, but just things being themselves
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: did you survive, Aph?
    Eos Amaterasu: Aph?
    Hana Furlough: oh no, is aph lost in space?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I went to get my soup
    Catrinamonblue Resident: lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm lost in soup
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Hana Furlough: oh good. that is better
    Eos Amaterasu: see, when you let go you get soup!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Falling in space is a deep fear.
    Aphrodite Macbain: Eating soup counteracts it
    Hana Furlough: : )
    Eos Amaterasu: I used to get negative claustrophobia looking at the stars
    Hana Furlough: wow
    Aphrodite Macbain: especialy when it has coconut milk in it
    Aphrodite Macbain: agoraphobia Eos?
    Eos Amaterasu: Aph follows the coconut milky way
    Hana Furlough: haha
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: so kind of a warm space, Aph, it seems
    Eos Amaterasu: there is that notion of space as a big womb
    Eos Amaterasu: everything gets born in it
    Aphrodite Macbain: a space with noodles and chicken and veggies
    Aphrodite Macbain: a melting pot
    Eos Amaterasu: maybe back to that notion of finding your seat in giving in to open space
    Aphrodite Macbain: constantly bubbling
    Hana Furlough: yeah, i think that kind of sense of possibility is necessary
    Hana Furlough: there's a mysterious order to it
    Aphrodite Macbain: are there seats in space?
    Catrinamonblue Resident: or just parachutes?
    Eos Amaterasu: the seat of no fixation
    Eos Amaterasu: "parachuting in space, without a parachute"
    Aphrodite Macbain: free falling floating somewhere and nowhere in particular
    Eos Amaterasu: if you look up at the stars, you realize you can look down just as far
    Hana Furlough: just visiting
    Eos Amaterasu: ack!
    Aphrodite Macbain: If you had x ray eyes
    Eos Amaterasu: neutrino eyes
    Aphrodite Macbain: we need our blue and white world and all the beings in it
    Catrinamonblue Resident: about falling
    Catrinamonblue Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pId6zdWjtwk&list=FLdqW6AUUUfx1gKGwcoc6zOQ
    Aphrodite Macbain: Aphro go hooooome
    Catrinamonblue Resident: love this video :)
    Eos Amaterasu: will be exit music for me, thank you cat, and aph and hana
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Eos :)
    Hana Furlough: thanks, eos
    Hana Furlough: i should get back to work as well
    Hana Furlough: thank you all and bye for now!
    Catrinamonblue Resident: Bye Hanna
    Eos Amaterasu: ciao, Hana
    Catrinamonblue Resident: and I should be off to bed :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: waves across the world
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Catrinamonblue Resident: night Aph Eos :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: nite

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