2013.05.09 19:00 - Imagination and Differences

eliza posted this session...

[19:05] Korel Laloix: Bozho
[19:07] Paradise Tennant: oh hi korel
[19:07] Korel Laloix: Finally rezzed
[19:08] Korel Laloix: How are you this evening Para?
[19:08] Paradise Tennant: was catching up on my backlog of unposted sessions I seem to be very bad these days and let them pile up
[19:08] Paradise Tennant: hiya stev
[19:08] stevenaia Michinaga: waves
[19:08] Korel Laloix: Oh hi Steve
[19:08] stevenaia Michinaga: jsut got here
[19:08] Korel Laloix: I see your name b ut not your AV>

[19:08] stevenaia Michinaga: I will rez one day
[19:09] Paradise Tennant: I see you stev :))
[19:09] Korel Laloix: Not even a cloud.. impressive... smiles
[19:09] Paradise Tennant: how is everyone tonight
[19:09] Korel Laloix: Brain fried.
[19:09] Korel Laloix: Finals.
[19:10] Paradise Tennant: ouch
[19:10] Paradise Tennant: nice glass of wine ?
[19:10] Paradise Tennant: helps a fired brain ?
[19:10] Paradise Tennant: fried
[19:10] Korel Laloix: SL is a nice way to even things out.
[19:10] stevenaia Michinaga: thinks of putting up tea
[19:10] stevenaia Michinaga: brb

[19:10] Korel Laloix: Just had some horney goat weed tea.
[19:10] Korel Laloix: Probably the exact wrong thing to drink... smiles
[19:11] Paradise Tennant: horney goat weed tea !
[19:12] Korel Laloix: http://www.herbalteacenter.com/malvittea.html
[19:13] Korel Laloix: http://health.howstuffworks.com/well...-goat-weed.htm
[19:13] Paradise Tennant: so a general strengthening herm

[19:14] stevenaia Michinaga: interesting name for a tea. but no better worst than Pu-erh
[19:14] Korel Laloix: Not sure.. I am just a sucker for good tea marketing... smiles
[19:17] Korel Laloix: I really do say that I love Earl Gray tea though.
[19:17] Korel Laloix: Nto sure why the attraction though.
[19:18] stevenaia Michinaga: yes, my second favorite
[19:18] stevenaia Michinaga: lovely hints of lemon and ginger

[19:18] Korel Laloix: So HG Weed is your first/.. smiles
[19:19] stevenaia Michinaga: never had it
[19:19] stevenaia Michinaga: but if you recommend it, I will try it
[19:19] Paradise Tennant: puts it on her list to try
[19:19] Paradise Tennant: will go with anything that helps :))
[19:20] Korel Laloix: NOt saying I recomend it.. but worth a try for sure... smiles
[19:20] Korel Laloix: lol
[19:20] stevenaia Michinaga: :)
[19:20] Korel Laloix: Much better than some other herbals I have tried.
[19:20] Korel Laloix: Take me a while to like tea... but
[19:20] Paradise Tennant: I drink a lot of mint tea
[19:20] Paradise Tennant: make it really strong
[19:21] Korel Laloix: Fresh mint from your garden type?
[19:21] Paradise Tennant: hmm nope morrocan mint

[19:21] stevenaia Michinaga: Tea seems to be overlooked in western medicine
[19:23] Paradise Tennant: yes really good for you
[19:23] Korel Laloix: Hmm.. I think it is having the regular effect.. might need to call Reeba soon.. smiles
[19:24] Paradise Tennant: well nice that is predictable :)
[19:24] Korel Laloix: Even if it is psychosmatic... I am enjoying the rush...

[19:25] Paradise Tennant: funny thnk the lot of life is pretty psychosmatic
[19:26] stevenaia Michinaga: there are many teas in this teapot over here
[19:26] Paradise Tennant: or rather that we make up life as we go :)
[19:26] stevenaia Michinaga: the power of imagination
[19:27] stevenaia Michinaga: can change everything
[19:27] Korel Laloix: Or lack of imagination.
[19:27] stevenaia Michinaga: lack of it can change nothing
[19:27] Paradise Tennant: lol
[19:28] Paradise Tennant: smiles

[19:29] Korel Laloix: Just wish I had a nice sense of imagination.
[19:29] Korel Laloix: Think I could have found a few more ways through things in my life.
[19:29] Paradise Tennant: hmm think it is an acquired skill
[19:29] Paradise Tennant: have to spend time at i
[19:29] Paradise Tennant: just sitting still and imagining the possibilities
[19:29] Paradise Tennant: find trips really help

[19:29] stevenaia Michinaga: I suspect it takes immagination to wish for it

[19:30] Paradise Tennant: can sit on the bus and remember what it was like having lunch in taormina on a beatiful sunny day
[19:31] Korel Laloix: maybe imagination gets more ways as you age. more base material to draw from.
[19:32] stevenaia Michinaga: children are born with it, we are very lucky if it stays with us
[19:32] stevenaia Michinaga: or not losing it with age
[19:33] Paradise Tennant: yes
[19:33] Korel Laloix: I don't know.. I think it is sort of a natural tallent.
[19:33] Paradise Tennant: it makes life so much richer
[19:33] Korel Laloix: I am soooo not creative.
[19:33] Paradise Tennant: kind of an inner life that has no limits

[19:34] Korel Laloix: But have had friends and gf what were so imaginative that they left me in awe.

[19:35] Paradise Tennant: you know there should be a little awe in every day
[19:35] Paradise Tennant: if you look for it ..it is there

[19:35] stevenaia Michinaga: imagination feed on itself and others who have it, like a nice stew

[19:35] Paradise Tennant: I think in those moments we are more grounded in what is real
[19:36] Paradise Tennant: yum
[19:36] Korel Laloix: I am not sure.. I think there are people that are naturally creative and them some that ar natuarlly analitical.

[19:36] stevenaia Michinaga: greeting Barby
[19:37] Korel Laloix: osiyo Barby
[19:37] Paradise Tennant: hiya barby
[19:37] Barby Seda: Hello all :)
[19:37] Paradise Tennant: have you been to pab before ?
[19:38] Barby Seda: my first time here
[19:38] stevenaia Michinaga: I saw her in the museum and invited her
[19:38] Paradise Tennant: ok
[19:38] Paradise Tennant: I will give you a notecard
[19:38] Paradise Tennant: our chat sessions are recorded on the wiki site ..do you have any objection to your comments being included ?
[19:39] Barby Seda: no problem
[19:39] Barby Seda: what is the topic?
[19:39] Paradise Tennant: the play of imagination
[19:39] Paradise Tennant: what it can mean in life

[19:40] stevenaia Michinaga: our group has been exploring the nature of reality for several years
[19:40] Korel Laloix: I think imagination is very important.
[19:40] Barby Seda: i see
[19:40] stevenaia Michinaga: through topics and meditation for 90 seconds ever 15 minutes
[19:40] Korel Laloix: But it takes us analtical types to take a good imaginative idea and turn it into something usefull... or at least aw inspiring.
[19:41] Paradise Tennant: little moments of fancy .. small daydreams to life changing visions they are all part of us
[19:42] Korel Laloix: Not so sure...
[19:42] Korel Laloix: I think there are poeple at the oposite ends of teh spectrum.
[19:43] Korel Laloix: Just wish I knew how to get out more of the limited crativity I had.
[19:43] Paradise Tennant: let go :)) make room and it will fly in the window :))
[19:43] Paradise Tennant: on shiny wings :)
[19:43] stevenaia Michinaga: it's a tool, it can be sharpened with use
[19:44] Korel Laloix: I don't know about that.. think i preffer to spend my time on more analitical topics.
[19:44] Korel Laloix: Leave teh real crativity up to the artists and the like.
[19:44] stevenaia Michinaga: have you ever drawn, Korel?

[19:46] Korel Laloix: I failed the stick figure drawing class.... twice... lol
[19:46] stevenaia Michinaga: :)
[19:47] Korel Laloix: But then again, I had my name on a paper on applied non-euclidian geometry when i was 20.
[19:47] Korel Laloix: Published.
[19:47] stevenaia Michinaga: sounds creative to em
[19:47] stevenaia Michinaga: me
[19:47] Korel Laloix: Not really.. I did teh writing mostly.. not the formation.
[19:48] Korel Laloix: But I did do some of the model testing.
[19:48] Paradise Tennant: smiles
[19:48] Paradise Tennant: there is all manner of the creative in that :)
[19:49] Korel Laloix: Maybe... but not the creativity at its root.

[19:49] Korel Laloix: you can give me a direction and i will go.
[19:49] Korel Laloix: But to get accross the starting line, that is something I really can't do well.
[19:49] Paradise Tennant: but mostly that is what happens

[19:49] Korel Laloix: I sort of feel trapped sometimes.
[19:49] Paradise Tennant: creativity leaps from one thing to the next
[19:49] Korel Laloix: Wish there was a way I could get past that.
[19:50] Paradise Tennant: it does not frission out of thin air
[19:50] Paradise Tennant: and we are all creative in our own ways ..
[19:50] Korel Laloix: frission?

[19:50] stevenaia Michinaga: like sometimes during our dreams or the 90 second meditaion to watch new thoughts arise from emptiness

[19:51] Paradise Tennant: i cook well .. with imagination .. I am good with numbers I understand predictive relationships .. there is creativity in every thing we do really one thought to the next
[19:51] Paradise Tennant: that is unique to us
[19:51] Paradise Tennant: to each of us
[19:52] Korel Laloix: Probably...

[19:52] Paradise Tennant: stev has the vision that buids things :))
[19:52] Korel Laloix: Wish I could cook without a cook book though.
[19:52] Paradise Tennant: hmm nothing wrong with looking at a recipe and then improvising
[19:52] Paradise Tennant: still creating something new
[19:53] Korel Laloix: If you get ot the improving part... smiles
[19:53] stevenaia Michinaga: salt to taste, instant chef
[19:53] Korel Laloix smiles
[19:53] Korel Laloix: I make things too saltly fro peopel normally.. but I run 8 miles a day.. so I sort of need more salt than most.

[19:54] Barby Seda: may i ask a question?
[19:54] stevenaia Michinaga: splease
[19:54] Korel Laloix: Sure.
[19:54] Korel Laloix: Or make a comment.
[19:54] Paradise Tennant: yes .. and there is something creative in running .. too it shapes your body your breath .. really lovely creativitiy
[19:54] Barby Seda: are we talking about virtual imagination?
[19:55] Paradise Tennant: smiles yes imagoination in all its forms really virutally :)
[19:55] Korel Laloix: Virtual imagination?

[19:55] stevenaia Michinaga: we bring much from RL here, Only out typist have (or don;t have) imagination
[19:55] stevenaia Michinaga: *our typists
[19:55] Korel Laloix: I really do not seperate Sl from RL.
[19:55] Paradise Tennant: oh those dull typists :)
[19:55] stevenaia Michinaga: always wnating chocolate

[19:56] Barby Seda: are dreams considered part of it?
[19:56] stevenaia Michinaga: I don;t think there is virtual imagination
[19:57] stevenaia Michinaga: we ahve special dream sessions
[19:57] Korel Laloix: I only remember nightmares.
[19:57] stevenaia Michinaga: I think they are part of reality
[19:57] Korel Laloix: So those dream sessionare very interesting to me.

[19:58] Barby Seda: the reason wi ask is because of a recent experience i had as a teaching assistant in graduate school
[19:58] stevenaia Michinaga: when si the next one, they are monthly at times i never remember
[19:59] stevenaia Michinaga: (dream sessions)
[19:59] Korel Laloix: What was that Barby?
[19:59] Korel Laloix: I am in grad school at the moment.

[19:59] Barby Seda: more students have hundreds of friends in FB, but they are unable to make friends in class
[20:00] Barby Seda: i also know some who have virtual girlfriends
[20:00] Barby Seda: and i wonder what kind of generation is developing for the future
[20:00] Korel Laloix: I know the sort. I don't personally have a myspace/facebook anymore.
[20:00] Korel Laloix: oo sorry.. 90 secs
[20:02] Korel Laloix: Les complicated sometimes.. virtuatl relationships.
[20:02] Korel Laloix: When they are positive.
[20:02] Korel Laloix: But on line bullying is very real.

[20:02] stevenaia Michinaga: it seems to get more political as you age, less persoanl
[20:03] Korel Laloix: Can you talk about that more Steve?
[20:03] Korel Laloix: please
[20:03] Barby Seda: students now prefer to have virtual classes/lectures, rather than coming to class and interacting witreal peers
[20:03] stevenaia Michinaga: bullying
[20:03] Korel Laloix: Well, some of the teachers are so bad, you get more out of virtual.
[20:03] stevenaia Michinaga: at least with the people I know, the divison seem to based in politial dissagreements
[20:04] Korel Laloix: I have had classes that were nothing but pure political indoctrination.
[20:04] Korel Laloix: Philosophy and biology were like that.

[20:04] stevenaia Michinaga: I think this works in SL because on one here tonight is closer than several hundred miles from each other
[20:05] stevenaia Michinaga: or thousand, so it works better for that
[20:05] stevenaia Michinaga: we also collaboerate in art projects virtually
[20:06] Korel Laloix: Did we answer your question Barby?
[20:06] Korel Laloix: I do enjoy the relationships hre.

[20:06] Barby Seda: what about the real laws of nature and society? (i am currently teaching biiological evolution)
[20:07] Paradise Tennant: yes surprising how well you get to know people :))
[20:07] Barby Seda: those are facts beyond imagination, right?
[20:07] Korel Laloix: No, very implausable math at best.
[20:08] Korel Laloix: But I don't discount different points of view.
[20:08] Korel Laloix: But marginalization of people that dont agree is the issue.

[20:08] Barby Seda: i know there are people who still think the world is flat
[20:09] Korel Laloix: And when you preach a specific politcal party in a "science" class.. that is an issue.
[20:09] Barby Seda: but the facts show the opposite
[20:10] stevenaia Michinaga: yet people belive all sorts of things ate may not be true, hard to convince them otherwise
[20:10] Korel Laloix: Yes, but science also told us that jews were not human, mosquitoes came from horse hair and nuclear weapons were a good idea.
[20:10] stevenaia Michinaga: least year they couldn;t find a higg boson,
[20:10] Barby Seda: in science there is a sharp distinction between facts and speculation
[20:10] Korel Laloix: Not really.
[20:10] Korel Laloix: When politics gets into it.

[20:11] Paradise Tennant: smiles all rounds and whispers thanks for the conversation and tip toes out to heed her pup's insistent call to nature;)) namaste my friends :)
[20:11] Korel Laloix: Regardless of where you stand on the subject, the first IPC report was not a science document at all, it was mostly politics... as a classic example.
[20:12] stevenaia Michinaga: night Paradise
[20:12] Korel Laloix: But people were still given a Noble for it... strange
[20:12] Korel Laloix: Take care.
[20:12] stevenaia Michinaga: IPC?
[20:12] Paradise Tennant: night nght .. a pleasure to meet you barby !
[20:12] Korel Laloix: Might have that wrong.. the first UN report on global warming.
[20:12] stevenaia Michinaga: aww
[20:12] Korel Laloix: Ciao
[20:12] Barby Seda: nice to meet you too

[20:13] Barby Seda: may i ask what are your backgrounds?
[20:13] Korel Laloix: It is just sad to see how people find a way to marginalize others.
[20:14] Korel Laloix: What sort of background do you mean?
[20:14] stevenaia Michinaga: :)
[20:14] Barby Seda: academic or educational backgrounds
[20:14] Korel Laloix: From Okalhoma, First Amercian.
[20:14] Korel Laloix: Duel masters program in Epidemiology and Biostats.
[20:14] stevenaia Michinaga: working professional

[20:15] Barby Seda: thank you. I am a student of anthropology
[20:16] stevenaia Michinaga: Architect
[20:16] Barby Seda: some of you mentioned politics, but religion can also be part
[20:17] Korel Laloix: Would love to take a class in that... but not getting the chance with my academic calender.
[20:17] Korel Laloix: Without a doubt.
[20:18] stevenaia Michinaga: seems to be more interest in religion of others , here, I think because we are a part of a RL non-profit , politics are not generally discussed, specifically
[20:18] Korel Laloix: White people tend to think there is a seperation there though based on some document signed about 230 years ago.
[20:18] Barby Seda: White people?
[20:19] Korel Laloix: Those of European influense and genetics.

[20:20] Barby Seda: racial classifications no longer exist - only one, the human race
[20:20] Korel Laloix: Ooooo I soooo dissagree.
[20:20] Barby Seda: that is, there are no groups who have a monopoly of genes
[20:20] Korel Laloix: I find that there are a lot of people that wnat to think that.
[20:20] stevenaia Michinaga: interesting point of view, Barby, but not the one I am familiar with
[20:20] Korel Laloix: Not a matter of genes.
[20:21] Korel Laloix: Culture.
[20:21] Barby Seda: we all have 46 chromosomes
[20:21] Korel Laloix: Irrelivent.
[20:21] stevenaia Michinaga: and 46 opinions
[20:21] Korel Laloix: I am First American, I am not European or African.
[20:21] Barby Seda: race is a myth
[20:21] Korel Laloix: And that distinction is very important.
[20:21] Barby Seda: we all come from Africa
[20:21] Korel Laloix: lol
[20:22] Barby Seda: i am referring to Paleonthology
[20:22] stevenaia Michinaga: in te end we all draw borders
[20:22] Korel Laloix: Which means not a lot today.
[20:22] stevenaia Michinaga: to define and separate us
[20:22] Korel Laloix: Good.
[20:22] Barby Seda: biologically we all are one species
[20:23] Korel Laloix: The people that try to say there are no seperations between us are the ones that want to take our land.... again.

[20:23] stevenaia Michinaga: and we are all stardust...
[20:23] Barby Seda: i am talking about human biology
[20:23] Korel Laloix: The ones that want to tell us how to run our lives and our tribes and our lands.
[20:24] Korel Laloix: No, you are talking about an excuse to force minorities to conform.
[20:24] Korel Laloix: We are not the same.
[20:24] Korel Laloix: We have different culture.
[20:24] Korel Laloix: Values.
[20:24] stevenaia Michinaga: in that sence Barby, you are correct, but not much else in common
[20:24] Korel Laloix: Languges.
[20:24] Korel Laloix: etc.
[20:25] Korel Laloix: The fact that we have similar bio is not relivent in that sense.
[20:25] stevenaia Michinaga: or we wouldn't be approving Gay Marriage one state at a time


[20:26] Barby Seda: culture is dynamic, always changing, borrowing, influencing, recycling
[20:26] Korel Laloix: I hope so.
[20:26] Korel Laloix: But I hope always a nice distinct line.
[20:26] Korel Laloix: wow lag...
[20:27] Barby Seda: Native Americans have been mixing within the last 4 centuries
[20:28] Korel Laloix: Very true... I am of three tribes.
[20:28] Korel Laloix: And yes, we have our own prejudices.
[20:29] Barby Seda: African slaves had children with White people, for example
[20:29] Korel Laloix: And?
[20:29] Barby Seda: Europeans had children in Native Americans, c
[20:29] Korel Laloix: And?.. your point?
[20:30] Barby Seda: there is no pure race or culture
[20:30] Barby Seda: that is not my opinion
[20:30] Korel Laloix: Even better reasons to try an keep the lines up.
[20:30] Barby Seda: it is based on historical and biological facts
[20:31] Korel Laloix: Facts? again like Jews are not humans and mosquitoes come form horse hair?
[20:31] Barby Seda: for example, i know that one of my ancestors was Apache
[20:31] Korel Laloix: Those were facts.
[20:31] Korel Laloix: Not facts today though.

[20:32] Barby Seda: i know many Native Americans who are blond and have blue eyes
[20:32] Korel Laloix: Well, people that claim the heritiage at least.
[20:33] Korel Laloix: But then again, there are more people in the US that claim to be Irish than live in Ireland... smiles
[20:34] Barby Seda: a simple DNA analysis can clarify the issue, that we all belong to the same species
[20:34] Korel Laloix: And that is relevent why?
[20:35] Barby Seda: that the human race is one and different from horses or other species
[20:35] Korel Laloix: But that is not relevent to what we are talking about.....
[20:35] Barby Seda: what we have is genic frequencies

[20:35] stevenaia Michinaga: Bed time for me... will read the log for the answer :), nice to meet you BArby, night Korel
[20:35] Korel Laloix: or at least what I am talkign about.
[20:35] Korel Laloix: Ciao
[20:35] stevenaia Michinaga: hope to see you again
[20:35] Barby Seda: nice to meet you too :)
[20:36] Korel Laloix: The last tiem I checked, Native Americans did not cross the Atalantic and genocide, displace and enslave Europeans.
[20:36] Korel Laloix: Ciao
[20:36] Korel Laloix: The reverse was true.
[20:36] Korel Laloix: And that disticting was and still is very real.
[20:36] Barby Seda: that was hundreds of years ago
[20:37] Korel Laloix: Even if we have very very very close DNA/
[20:37] Korel Laloix: So again, similarity in DNA is trivial in application.

[20:37] Barby Seda: you are speaking the English language too
[20:37] Korel Laloix: It is functional.
[20:38] Barby Seda: that is not trivial
[20:38] Korel Laloix: Not like a had choice in it.
[20:38] Barby Seda: all languages develop from other languages
[20:38] Korel Laloix: Again, irrelivent.
[20:39] Korel Laloix: It is the language of reality here... well, maybe I could get away with Spanish.
[20:39] Barby Seda: i was talking about science, not religion or beliefs
[20:40] Korel Laloix: Science is a belief.
[20:41] Korel Laloix: one that has a good amount of power.
[20:42] Korel Laloix: But is still very subject to politics and money.. just like any other belief system.
[20:42] Barby Seda: Korel, it was nice to meet you