The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Darren Islar: 's current display-name is "Leaping Panther".
Darren Islar: hey Wol :)
Wol Euler: wow, hello darren
Wol Euler: long time no see
Wol Euler: how's life?
Darren Islar: a struggle, what else :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Wol Euler: yeah, I hear you
Darren Islar: good to see you :)
Wol Euler: likewise :)
Darren Islar: ah, was about to ask :)
Darren Islar: we have pigeons here of late
Wol Euler: sorry, distracted by too many IMs and notecards
Darren Islar: it's ok
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
Wol Euler: are you still involved at Original Face?
Wol Euler: hello eliza!
Darren Islar: hey eliza :)
Darren Islar: yes, we needed to change the time though, but foudn another for me suitable time
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Darren :) Hi Wol :)
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Darren Islar: hey Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: very laggy....
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :)
Darren Islar: we have a very constant little group
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
Wol Euler: it pleases me that it's still going on
Agatha Macbeth: Took me bloody ages to get in
Wol Euler: even though I'm not involved
Darren Islar: hehe
Darren Islar: still busy Wol?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Darren, long time no see
Wol Euler: at the moment, very
Darren Islar: hey Aggs, yeah, thought I'll step by tonight
Wol Euler: but expecting it to stop quite suddenly in mid-July :)
Darren Islar: oh?
Wol Euler: and hoping for a new project to come out of it in the autumn
Wol Euler: competitions
Eliza Madrigal: great jacket Aggers :)
Darren Islar: ah ... okay
Agatha Macbeth: Don't you like the pants then? ;p
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Darren Islar: I only see grey on you aggers, I'm afraid
Wol Euler: me too :(
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, one of those nights I fear
Darren Islar: women! .. shakes his head
Wol Euler: that's like the Jewish mother birthday-present joke

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Wol Euler: nice jacket, aggers :)
Wol Euler: heheh
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Why thank you dear
Darren Islar: nice pants Aggs :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Wol Euler grins.
Darren Islar: adn jacket as well :)
Agatha Macbeth: I like the sandals too
Wol Euler looks.
Eliza Madrigal: hotsy totsy
Agatha Macbeth: Absy-lutely
Wol Euler: nice
Agatha Macbeth: TY ♥
Eliza Madrigal: before arriving had thought to consider the topic this week in terms of mutual support rather than give/take... slight distinction. Not sure with lag it is wise to take on discussion though. :))
Eliza Madrigal: Nice jacket Darren :)
Darren Islar: hehe .. thanks :)
Agatha Macbeth: Okay, pls remind me what the topic is? >.<
Wol Euler: the topic is quite a mouthful, I'll have to think about what it means
Agatha Macbeth: I'll think about it when I remember it
Eliza Madrigal: reciprocity was the suggestion at guardians session... then was combined with week before... including imaginationative play
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, yes
Wol Euler: nice jacket, eliza ;)
Darren Islar: what means reciprocity?
Eliza Madrigal laughs... thanks
Wol Euler goes off to rummage in her inventory.
Agatha Macbeth: Give and take I guess
Agatha Macbeth: Back-scratching and all that
Eliza Madrigal: mutual support would be slightly different?
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure
Darren Islar: maybe one doesn't asks any 'replacement'
--BELL--1315

              
Agatha Macbeth: Who owns the seagull btw?
Darren Islar: not me
Wol Euler right-clicks on it to find out.
Agatha Macbeth: He's cute
Wol Euler: storm
Agatha Macbeth: Nice
Darren Islar: kittles it
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Darren... yes it is the intention of the matter
Agatha Macbeth: At first I looked round for Bruce :p
Eliza Madrigal: :) happy to see creatures gathering
Darren Islar: heh
Agatha Macbeth: Including us
Wol Euler nods.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice jacket, Wol
Wol Euler: ty :)
Darren Islar: nice jacket Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Darren Islar: hehe
Wol Euler: ty :))
Wol Euler: I guess we have a title
Darren Islar: nice jacket?
Eliza Madrigal: night is young
Agatha Macbeth: I like your Sargeant Pepper jacket darren
Darren Islar: thanks Aggs
Agatha Macbeth: Takes me back
Eliza Madrigal: appropo
Darren Islar: I only remember I had it thanks to you
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Well I'm useful for something at least
Eliza Madrigal: and capable :)
Wol Euler: so reciprocity of imaginative play ... would mean playing along? attempting to join in the game and keep it moving?
Agatha Macbeth: Hopefully!
Eliza Madrigal: I think so Wol - for some reason it makes me think of moments when someone comes with something and it kind of falls... no one picks it up...
Eliza Madrigal: but over time it may get played with...bounced around
Eliza Madrigal: hm and what of reciprocal silence?
Wol Euler: alternating silences?
Wol Euler gestures "your turn now."
Wol Euler: like a conference of Benedictines :)
Agatha Macbeth: This is the alternating silence :p
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Alternating current perhaps
Darren Islar: ponders reciprocity of imaginative play
Darren Islar: I can't really grasp it
Agatha Macbeth: I pondered it too: don't get it
Eliza Madrigal: San was thinking in terms of exchanges, cultures and economies I think
Wol Euler: "I'll show you my play if you show me yours"?
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's a pretty broad spectrum anyway
Darren Islar: more like joining in? but in that case I don't see the reciprocity
Darren Islar: if their is a connection, then play will be shared
Darren Islar: picked up used and given back
Eliza Madrigal: aggers gave us inspiration .... arrived in great jacket.... then you offered a jacket of inspiration in return.... which left a suggestion or space I jumped into...compelling Wol
Eliza Madrigal: hot potato
Darren Islar: nods
Wol Euler: good example, eliza!
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, a knock on effect
Agatha Macbeth: Causality perhaps
Eliza Madrigal: which continues until....
Agatha Macbeth: The last domino?
Wol Euler: cause and (effect = cause)
Darren Islar: every action asks for a new one
Agatha Macbeth: e=mc2
Wol Euler nods.
Darren Islar: even if it is 'dismissed'
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
Agatha Macbeth: 'Now am I become death, the destroyer of worlds'
Wol Euler: it is a strong gesture, even a cruel one, to ignore a ball thrown to you and just let it fall to the ground
Wol Euler: hello zon
Darren Islar: reciprocity then is a kind of promise in which you let the play continue
Agatha Macbeth:  Zonny
Eliza Madrigal: It is Wol... was thinking of that feeling just now
Wol Euler: refusing to play with a child :(
Darren Islar: in that case yes Wol, but every nice situations comes to an end, somebody needs to end it
Darren Islar: hey Zon
Eliza Madrigal: an unreturned gesture can be an opening
Wol Euler: of course, but better to catch the ball, completing the gesture, and then switch to something else
Agatha Macbeth: If it's a nice situation I wouldn't want it to end
Darren Islar: good point Wol
Wol Euler: zon, we are talking about and around the week's topic "reciprocity of imaginative play"
Eliza Madrigal: I remember once I was talking with someone... on and on... and they didn't respond... and the confusion caused me to see myself
Eliza Madrigal: become conscious of my prattling :)
Agatha Macbeth: You do *not* prattle
--BELL--1330
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.
Eliza Madrigal: just once mind you...
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Agatha Macbeth: Prattle means gabble nonsensically, you are never that Liz
Darren Islar: like a mirror Eliza?, though it might call upon feelings that are not that nice
Darren Islar: as in when you think you prattle
Eliza Madrigal: :) well that time I was... Exactly, Darren
Eliza Madrigal: well the speaking in that moment was to fill space... and it wasn't necessary...
Eliza Madrigal: if that makes sense
Zon Kwan: every game needs a partner
Eliza Madrigal: I needed to see that
Agatha Macbeth: Yes it makes sense
Zon Kwan: who responds
Eliza Madrigal nods Zon
Eliza Madrigal: Aggers! Nice pants! :))))
Darren Islar: hahaha
Wol Euler laughs.
Agatha Macbeth: Thought you'd never notice :p
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Wol Euler: distracted by your jacket
Agatha Macbeth: Distracted by shiny
Agatha Macbeth: ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zon Kwan: why that kind of topic ?
Darren Islar: looks at Eliza
Wol Euler: it was suggested at the guardian meeting and people found it intriguing
Eliza Madrigal: began with reciprocity
Darren Islar: btw Zon, you are only allowed with jacket .... grins
Agatha Macbeth looks at Eliza too
Eliza Madrigal looks at Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Spiegel im spiegel
Zon Kwan: jacket...new rules ?
Wol Euler: dear old Päär
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Wol Euler: *Pärt
Eliza Madrigal: dinner shortly....
Darren Islar: only for tonight
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Eliza Madrigal: so jacket but no shoes needed
Darren Islar: dont' look at me, look at Aggs :)
Wol Euler: california rules
Zon Kwan: hm..reciprocity has different levels
Agatha Macbeth: 'No jacket required'
Eliza Madrigal looks at seagull
Wol Euler listens to zon
Zon Kwan: to give only if you get
Zon Kwan: that is called trading
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, right
Eliza Madrigal nods.... listening for the next....
Agatha Macbeth: Referred to in legal terms as 'consideration'
Zon Kwan: then giving intelligently
Darren Islar: it suggests 'gaining'
Zon Kwan: not using mathmematics
Zon Kwan: for the pleasure of giving
Zon Kwan: and a respond follows
Wol Euler: mmmmm, not sure about that aspect
Wol Euler: giving for the sheer joy of doing so, and then getting a surprise present back, does not feel like "reciprocity" to me
Wol Euler: for me the word implies foreknowledge of the trade, the continuation
Eliza Madrigal: do we live in a reciprocal universe?
Darren Islar: we probably do by default Eliza
Zon Kwan: that is another level,,i know
Zon Kwan: usually we mean trading
Darren Islar: just looking where the intention is benificial and where it gets being 'greedy' or 'onconsiderate'
Darren Islar: unconsiderate
Eliza Madrigal: so expectation of equal trade... then at another level letting go of ideas of equal but still some expectation of response...
Darren Islar: I found this on my fb today: when you give make sure the dignity of the receiver stays intact (Gehlek Rimpoche)
Zon Kwan: every cause have an effect
Zon Kwan: and a response
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Eliza Madrigal ponders
Wol Euler: indeed, but c&e is not necessarily reciprocal. Many effects are terminal
Zon Kwan: the reciprocal = trading, wol ?
Eliza Madrigal: on edges of equanimity , giving to give ... to build capacity to receive... pleasure in that...
Wol Euler: just being pedantic, wanting the words to be quite clear :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: ty Wol
Zon Kwan: they mean what we want them to mean
Agatha Macbeth: You pedantic Wollie? ;-) ♥
Zon Kwan: waves
Wol Euler: bye zon, take care
Darren Islar: bye Zon
Eliza Madrigal: bye Zon :) lol
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zon
Wol Euler: he doesn't take kindly to interruption, does he.
Wol Euler sighs.
Agatha Macbeth: Now you see him...
Darren Islar: ?
Eliza Madrigal: I don't think that's it in this case Wol... Zon poofs nearly the same way no matter the rhythm
Wol Euler: true :)
Wol Euler restrains her rampaging ego.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
--BELL--1345
Agatha Macbeth: At times it's almost like he's on a timer or something :p
Eliza Madrigal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6j_0NGWT9Y
Agatha Macbeth: Mm?
Eliza Madrigal: hehe.... have to go... but.... can't help but hum this...
Agatha Macbeth: Any ducks?
Wol Euler: waddling
Wol Euler: ty eliza, and bon appetit
Darren Islar: see you Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: alas, nothing as fascinating as ducks
Eliza Madrigal: ♥ ♥ ♥
Wol Euler: ♥
Agatha Macbeth: What have you been up to lately Darren?
Darren Islar: I roleplay a lot, I build, OF
Wol Euler: "OF"?
Wol Euler: oh, right, duh
Darren Islar: Original Face
Wol Euler: silly me
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, nice to see OF is still going
Darren Islar: heh
Darren Islar: yep
Darren Islar: a very constant group
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Darren Islar: oh and busy with my gf
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wol Euler: ah :)
Agatha Macbeth: You're as bad as Bert ;-)
Darren Islar: I'm not bad though :)
Agatha Macbeth: True
Darren Islar: she's Aussie, so we need to meet in my mornign or in my evening
Wol Euler: tricky :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wow
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if Mira knows her?
Darren Islar: dont' think so, not in the same kind of places
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh it's a big country
Darren Islar: well, actually meant on SL, but as for Australia itself ... it's big enough yes :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, not like our little euro countries
Darren Islar: Holland being one of teh smallest and one of the most busy ones :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Hope you are still keeping the sea out
Darren Islar: so far
Agatha Macbeth: Good
Darren Islar: otherwise I would have somebody on my lap :) ... not much space left then :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Not a whale I hope
Darren Islar: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: That bird is certainly very tame
Wol Euler: and clean
Agatha Macbeth: Yah
Darren Islar: I'm not that impressive I'm afraid :)
Agatha Macbeth: Heh
--BELL--1400
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway folklings I need to move on, much to do
Darren Islar: okay
Darren Islar: see you Aggs
Darren Islar: I'm leaving too, see you Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see you again Darren
Agatha Macbeth: Please come more often
Darren Islar: good to have seen you
Agatha Macbeth: Or send Liza ;-)
Agatha Macbeth pokes Wol
Wol Euler: bye!
Wol Euler: yeah, sorry
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: distracted
Wol Euler: take care, dream well - and write it down
Agatha Macbeth: You seem to be getting abandoned I'm afraid :(
Wol Euler: nah, I will go too
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Wol Euler: so tired, been yawning since I got home
Agatha Macbeth: Take care
Wol Euler: see you tomorrow
Agatha Macbeth: Aww *hugs*
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: BFN
Wol Euler: ♥