2013.06.17 07:00 - "My life is one big blind spot"

The Guardian for this meeting was szavanna Resident. The comments are by szavanna Resident.

DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
szavanna Resident: _/\_
szavanna Resident: welcome Uns :)
DR42 Resident: Hello uns
szavanna Resident: make yourself at home
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: let me check the topic
szavanna Resident: oh Bleu hasn't posted it yet
AdamGreen Resident: 's current display-name is "Adam".
Uns Mistwalker: welcome Adam.
szavanna Resident: hi Adam :)
Uns Mistwalker: may I suggest one then?
szavanna Resident: oh wait we do have one
szavanna Resident: Riff Raff do you know?
szavanna Resident: need to check the wiki
AdamGreen Resident: brb
DR42 Resident: No, I don't
szavanna Resident: ok one moment
Uns Mistwalker breathes quietly.
szavanna Resident:

Also, Session topics were chosen for the next two weeks:

week 1 = "When to be still and when to act"

week 2 = "Transitions and the 9 second stops" (or when to speak and when to listen)

szavanna Resident: ah so this week its : "When to be sill and when to act"
szavanna Resident: Adam, Uns is this your first time?
Uns Mistwalker: Not for me Sza.
Uns Mistwalker: I think it may be for Adam who is doing a brb.
szavanna Resident: ok so Uns you know that we do post these chats online
szavanna Resident: ah yes I see
szavanna Resident: and DJing in the same time hehe
szavanna Resident: ok my suggestion is
Uns Mistwalker: hehe.... i just dragged him from a commune.
szavanna Resident: to hear your topic also Uns
Uns Mistwalker: I'm content with the one mentioned.
szavanna Resident: and then we can talk about the topic for the week
szavanna Resident: hmm what was the topic you thought of?
Uns Mistwalker: The one I was thinking about was the difference between being alone and loneliness, and how sl impacts the two.
szavanna Resident: yes I found that very interesting
szavanna Resident: so may be we could talk about that for a bit
szavanna Resident: any thoughts Riff Raff?
szavanna Resident: hehe cute name
AdamGreen Resident: back
szavanna Resident: being alone and loneliness is quite a n important one
Uns Mistwalker: (wb)
szavanna Resident: wb Adam :)
szavanna Resident: is this your first time at PaB?
DR42 Resident has a flashback to the lyrics "I am exactly what I am"
szavanna Resident: can you post it for us Riff Raff?
szavanna Resident: if you find it
DR42 Resident: Looking
AdamGreen Resident: reading back, happy to urk for a now
szavanna Resident: urk?
szavanna Resident: welcome Liz :)
Eliza Madrigal: 's current display-name is "Eliza".
szavanna Resident: hugs :)
AdamGreen Resident: lurk and listen
Uns Mistwalker: yes, Riff.... the issue may be precisely how we parse or categorize what exactly we are.
szavanna Resident: ann forgot what it means
Eliza Madrigal: Hello :)
Uns Mistwalker: lurk means to just listen in....not participate.
szavanna Resident: meet Adam and Uns °͜°
Uns Mistwalker: hello, Eliza
szavanna Resident: Adam - we do post these chats online on our site
AdamGreen Resident: well u don't want to participate until u know the topic of discussion
szavanna Resident: so we are recording now
szavanna Resident: is that ok for you?
--BELL--
AdamGreen Resident: of course
DR42 Resident: You tell me that I am falling down a drifter with no role You tell me that I need a friend to help me take control Well let it be I'm not alone I'm only lonely, see! And you can't tell me where to go or what or who to be
Eliza Madrigal: :) interesting lines before the pause
szavanna Resident: Liz we decided to talk about Uns's topic for a bit
Eliza Madrigal: ::listens:::
szavanna Resident: [07:10] Uns Mistwalker: The one I was thinking about was the difference between being alone and loneliness, and how sl impacts the two.
Eliza Madrigal: wonderful question
szavanna Resident: he suggested it before the session
Eliza Madrigal: it seems like a topic we could discuss in SL every day, to feel less alone :)
Uns Mistwalker: the lyric evokes someone who is working to become mindful of their feeling of loneliness.
szavanna Resident: and I wonder how aloneness and loneliness is influenced by SL
Eliza Madrigal nods
szavanna Resident: may be we could listen to the song also
szavanna Resident thinks in songs :)
Uns Mistwalker: Well, we know about the impacts of hyperlinks on deep-mentation.
DR42 Resident: The song is actually about self dependence and self acceptance. I'll pass a notecard.
szavanna Resident: ty so much
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Uns Mistwalker: thank you.
szavanna Resident: Liz can you rez the forest for us?
Eliza Madrigal: sure...
szavanna Resident: °͜°
szavanna Resident: ty dr :)
szavanna Resident: lets read it
szavanna Resident: first part
szavanna Resident: You tell me that I am falling down a drifter with no role You tell me that I need a friend to help me take control Well let it be I'm not alone I'm only lonely, see! And you can't tell me where to go or what or who to be
Uns Mistwalker: I think with self-acceptance....one becomes far less lonely.
szavanna Resident: hmm it can be quite a challenge
szavanna Resident: to be completely at peace with ourselves
szavanna Resident: next part :
AdamGreen Resident: as u accept yourself u also pull away from friends who are friends only because of your neediness
szavanna Resident: I am exactly what I am and not the way you'd like see me be I look outside long as I can, then close my eyes and watch my world unfold before me
Uns Mistwalker: "well let it be, I'm not alone....I'm only lonely"....is really interesting....because it implies that one can be lonely....even when not alone....which is the experience of many
Eliza Madrigal: there seems a dissonance between what we think would be needed and what actually is
szavanna Resident: yes Uns
szavanna Resident: sometimes - the more people are around you
szavanna Resident: the lonelier you get
AdamGreen Resident: amen to that
szavanna Resident: yay ty Liz
Uns Mistwalker: yes.... and that is the way in which sl and other social media contribute to our loneliness.
szavanna Resident: I so love these
Eliza Madrigal: the one before was one of the earliest Bleu made but this one is lighter, feels sheltering
szavanna Resident: :)
Uns Mistwalker nods at Eliza.
DR42 Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giU6iaV-so0
Uns Mistwalker: (and yes, the lighter forest is lovely.)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
szavanna Resident: ah great thanks Riff Raff :)
szavanna Resident: a forest can make you feel less alone may be?
DR42 Resident: I am told that that song is kind of the anthem of the transgender community.
Eliza Madrigal: nature generally, is replenishing
Uns Mistwalker: (Linda and Maria...yay!)
szavanna Resident: so how come we try our best to be away from a natural environment
szavanna Resident: listening
szavanna Resident: :)
Uns Mistwalker: wilderness very directly confronts us.
Eliza Madrigal: the song is about self acceptance for sure... am thinking that someone who really has a sense of themselves is willing to risk more lonelineness in the sense of approval from others
Uns Mistwalker: yes. they drink from their own source.
AdamGreen Resident: yes that's the paradox
AdamGreen Resident: if u r really unique, self acceptance can set u on a lonely road
DR42 Resident: Lonlineness, or being alone?
szavanna Resident: I feel that the more I discover about myself - the more I drift away from the crowd, or mainstream
Eliza Madrigal: then sometimes there is the happy surprise of finding others who have that experience , that balance, too -- which is where SL comes in :)
DR42 Resident: In SL, it seems easy to find people who are like me in many dimensions.
szavanna Resident: being a white zulu sometimes makes you feel a bit separate from the others
AdamGreen Resident: u need to find people who are creative, tolerant and open minded
AdamGreen Resident: but not at all like you in other ways
szavanna Resident: yes
DR42 Resident: Yes, noone is just like me.
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: :)
szavanna Resident: people in SL might be more open to self exploration
AdamGreen Resident: i think intolereance is poison in sl and rl
AdamGreen Resident: what we really want is to be *known*
Eliza Madrigal: indeed Adam
Eliza Madrigal: so not mere tolerance but curiosity?
szavanna Resident: here is the song that came to my mind - from Peter Tosh
szavanna Resident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nukwmvqmSv4
Uns Mistwalker: I think that we each travel the path from birth to our grave...alone. Yet the deeper we accept our true nature, the more the chatter of the world of distractions drops away...and the more we discover the truth of Dogen Zenji's statement (takenfrom sza's profile pics..) "Enlightenment is intimacy with all things."
Eliza Madrigal smiles
DR42 Resident: I think I have little need to be known, but will share a great deal if asked. That is easy to do in SL, while still feeling safe.
AdamGreen Resident: wonderful saying uns
AdamGreen Resident: not just to know but to be intimate
szavanna Resident: :)
Uns Mistwalker: ( stole it from Sunshine)
szavanna Resident: hehe I stole it also
szavanna Resident: :)
AdamGreen Resident: (stealing it)
Eliza Madrigal: "freed by the 10000 things" - "the foolish are trapped by karma and the wise freed by it"
szavanna Resident: very nicely said Uns
Uns Mistwalker: and so...Dogen becomes more intimate with each of us.
szavanna Resident: I think that is what we call an artist
szavanna Resident: an artist is fully immersed in whatever he'she does
szavanna Resident: very intimate way of being and doing things
Uns Mistwalker: Yet, psychologically...so many artists suffer terribly.
szavanna Resident: and we all wish we were like that
szavanna Resident: to feel free to express ourselves like artists - may be
AdamGreen Resident: in my narrow experience, it does seem easier to be intimate with artists
AdamGreen Resident: they are paying attentino
Eliza Madrigal: nods Uns... energy levels and balances
szavanna Resident: and SL brings that out in many I think
szavanna Resident: and it might help to get creative in RL too
AdamGreen Resident: yes, i love to chat with artists in rl -- a major insight folks
AdamGreen Resident: ty
szavanna Resident: at least I have always been fascinated by this topic
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
szavanna Resident: I look at everyone as an artist hmm
szavanna Resident: Zenji °͜°
Zen Arado: Hi all
Eliza Madrigal: I'm both really really solitary and really social - those contradictions aren't easily accepted but seem to be accommodated in SL for the most part - many artists' biographies include stories of estrangements where people couldn't accept their eccentric habits
szavanna Resident: look another artist!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
szavanna Resident: we are talking about art and artists Zenji
DR42 Resident: Artists I know in RL (many of my friends) are far more tolerant that the "average" person. For some value of "average."
Uns Mistwalker: greetings Zen.
Eliza Madrigal: "some value of average" :)
szavanna Resident: so tell us Zenji - how does it feel to be an artist °͜°
Uns Mistwalker: many understand the pain of being unable to express themselves......except thru their art....which is often not understood by others.
Zen Arado: I paint but I don't think I am an artist
AdamGreen Resident: i think the words "average" and "normal" should never be applied to human beings
Zen Arado: it is just something I do sometimes
szavanna Resident: so who is an artist then
szavanna Resident: Adam :)
Zen Arado: these labels try to categorize people
AdamGreen Resident: i would say art is an *original* form of communication
Eliza Madrigal: that seems it, Uns ... that the loneliness is actually an impetus to create
szavanna Resident: ok hehe I asked the wrong artist ;D
Zen Arado: people who make art are as different as anyone else I think
DR42 Resident: I agree, which is why I said "For some value of "average."
szavanna Resident: yes its really just a label
Uns Mistwalker: (yes Eliza)
szavanna Resident: and all these qualities are present in everyone
AdamGreen Resident: i also think an artist strugges to connect with an innner "muse"
Uns Mistwalker: Loneliness calls us to find a way to be Present.
Zen Arado: I worked in engineering most of my life so am I an engineer?
AdamGreen Resident: surprises himself with what comes out
Zen Arado: I studied philosophy so am I a philosopher?
AdamGreen Resident: so the communication is with something deep within
Uns Mistwalker: In my view yes.
DR42 Resident: Zen, why cannot you be all those things?
Zen Arado: studying music and writing wel....
szavanna Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: hmm one can be all those things
AdamGreen Resident: well u can use a template
szavanna Resident: shift from one to the next
Zen Arado: but the problem is that people freeze you into a category in their minds then
szavanna Resident: yes
AdamGreen Resident: i'm kinda like Paul Mcartney but without the money or talent
Zen Arado: like an engineer they know
szavanna Resident: Zenji is a million things
Uns Mistwalker: all these ways of labelling, have utility....but only within a particular context.
szavanna Resident: °͜°
AdamGreen Resident: the word u need is "taxonomy"
Zen Arado: I am a dilettante I guess :)
DR42 Resident: I am a artistic, philosophical, engineer who enjoys many aspects of music. But none of that says who I am.
Zen Arado: another label
AdamGreen Resident: u study the whole range of possibilities
AdamGreen Resident: like the Kinsey report on sex
AdamGreen Resident: no averages no "normal"
Zen Arado: we are all wonderfully unique
AdamGreen Resident: amen
Uns Mistwalker: and uniquelly wonderful.
AdamGreen Resident: i know thousands of people and no 2 are even appriximately alike
Zen Arado: Mr Wonderful..that;s us :)
--BELL--
Uns Mistwalker: but not every being can appreciate the wonder of every other being (back to Dogen)
Zen Arado: a Zen teacher told me to 'not know' people
Uns Mistwalker: mmm.
AdamGreen Resident: yes, to dump your assumptions
Zen Arado: allow them to be expressed fully
AdamGreen Resident: very good advice
Zen Arado: yes
Uns Mistwalker: in learning psychotherapy we are taught that one must cultivate curiousity....do not assume -- inquire
Eliza Madrigal: Dogen writes beautifully about walking on the bottom of the ocean while fully engaging with the top
szavanna Resident: I love that expression - pathless paths
Uns Mistwalker: mmm
szavanna Resident: can you find it Liz
AdamGreen Resident: u r *always* wrong about other people (see "Being Wrong")http://beingwrongbook.com/
Zen Arado: through gateless gates
szavanna Resident: ah interesting link hehe
Eliza Madrigal: well it is a longer piece... but one wonderful book is Katagiri's... (goes to look)
szavanna Resident: ty Liz ❤
DR42 Resident: "knowing someone" seems to be a focus of self. To have knowledge puts the feeling on yourself. Everything should be about "non-self."
Zen Arado: I don't know
Zen Arado: it all just happens anyway
Zen Arado: whatever I think
AdamGreen Resident: well wherever u go, there u r --- best to understand your own blind spots
Zen Arado: just enjoy the ride
Uns Mistwalker grins and hears lyrics.
Zen Arado: my life is one big blind spot
szavanna Resident: ;p
DR42 Resident: I often make assumptions about other people, then am wonderously surprised to learn that my knowledge of them is so limited.
szavanna Resident: that will be the title I think for this session °͜°
Uns Mistwalker: "I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe, but at least I'm enjoying the ride."
AdamGreen Resident: example: i tend to discount stupid, mis-informed people
Zen Arado: I guess we need assumptions for utility
AdamGreen Resident: but sometimes they *do* have something to teach me
Zen Arado: but should be held very lightly
Uns Mistwalker: yes.... that's the trick isn't it.... holding them lightly.
szavanna Resident: in general I love to jump from role to role ...like having different coats
Uns Mistwalker: or we might say.... opinions are like fingernails, and need regular trimming.
DR42 Resident: Adam, everyone has something to teach you, even if it is as an example of how not to behave. :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Uns Mistwalker: ;)
Zen Arado: like parents knowing their children and are always getting surprises
AdamGreen Resident: very true riff raff
Eliza Madrigal: found something btw... a nice summary...
AdamGreen Resident: and they are ok even if they only teach me patience
Uns Mistwalker: (please, Eliza)
szavanna Resident: :) Adam
Eliza Madrigal: here comes...
Zen Arado: listens to Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: We don’t believe that our life is walking on the bottom of the ocean because we are always living on the surface, hanging on to the past, present, and future. We think the bottom of the ocean is something other than daily life. But we cannot ignore the fact that our life in the stream of time is constantly changing. It is constantly changing because it is manifested from moment to moment at the pivot of nothingness. So if you want your life to really work, then whatever you do—dance, art, painting, photography, or sitting zazen—your life must be swimming on the surface, and simultaneously it must be rooted, walking on the bottom of the ocean. That is living wholeheartedly.
Zen Arado: nice quote
Eliza Madrigal: http://archive.thebuddhadharma.com/i.../fall/time.php
szavanna Resident: ah so ice
Uns Mistwalker: Thank you.
szavanna Resident: lol sigh these typos
DR42 Resident: ty
szavanna Resident: love it Liz
Eliza Madrigal: other portions of the page address the seeming separation from others in the same terms
Eliza Madrigal: as surface illusion
Zen Arado: think I have that book
Zen Arado: Katagiri wqs another bad boy though
szavanna Resident: before we end - I would like to ask all of you about the last part of Uns's question
szavanna Resident: does SL make us more lonely?
Eliza Madrigal: Katagiri's "Each Moment is the Universe" is wonderful .. reading Dogen directly is a life's undertaking :)
szavanna Resident: how does Sl influence RL in this sense
Zen Arado: the opposite I would say Sunji
DR42 Resident: Not for me. SL has enabled me to reach out to new people, friends. It all depends on how you use it.
szavanna Resident: but we are not there physically
Eliza Madrigal would answer that question differently at different times
AdamGreen Resident: well u can't rez a personality -- this is an unpleasant surprise to some folks
Zen Arado: but depends if it takes you away from RL too much
szavanna Resident: hmm true Liz
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes being close to people here makes me long more for that kind of connection offline
szavanna Resident: good point Riff Raff
Uns Mistwalker: yes Liz.
Eliza Madrigal: because one sees what is possible
szavanna Resident: yes I'd love to have an RL PaB just around the corner
szavanna Resident: or OpenCafe ;p
AdamGreen Resident: i tend to be more relaxed and open with folks in rl due to habits acquired in sl
Zen Arado: could you say more Adam?
szavanna Resident: whatever the label hehe
DR42 Resident: Life is remote, I would not be interacting with others in any case.
AdamGreen Resident: well
Zen Arado: do we interact with others differently in SL?
AdamGreen Resident: if u think u r alone because u r fat, ugly, old, etc then find out u r *still* alone with all this fixed ... it's not a pleasant thing to know
Eliza Madrigal: interesting
Zen Arado: ah a good point
Eliza Madrigal: it allows you to adjust the variables
Eliza Madrigal: as in science lab :)
szavanna Resident: :)
DR42 Resident: Zen, yes, SL interactions are different.
Uns Mistwalker: but one can discover one's 'charisma' here...and then take it to rl....and find oneself less alone.
AdamGreen Resident: in sl i can walk up to a gal and say i love her outfit or even her body
Zen Arado: I could blame life failures on disability
AdamGreen Resident: gets u arrested in rl
Zen Arado: but I don't do that in RL either
AdamGreen Resident: but u *can* be more open and frank than u normally are
AdamGreen Resident: people respond in a friendly way
DR42 Resident: Back to the issue of different social valuse in SL than RL. Think I have had this discussion before.
Zen Arado: only thing I find id there are less ageist and disability barriers
Eliza Madrigal laughs... well in RL she might say 'this old thing?"
--BELL--
AdamGreen Resident: yes,
AdamGreen Resident: must take a rl break
AdamGreen Resident: gone 30 mins
szavanna Resident: enjoy Adam
szavanna Resident: oh he is gone already
Zen Arado: perhaps we see the 'pure' person in SL ..the one beyond the physical imperfections
Zen Arado: see it better
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps here in SL, knowing "this isn't me" is helpful
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Zen Arado: actually see the real person in SL better
szavanna Resident: yes Zenji
Eliza Madrigal: I think that's true... especially having met people in RL from SL
szavanna Resident: SL can be a good tool for that
szavanna Resident: you think Liz
Uns Mistwalker: perhaps. But it is also possible that what we are seeing is simply the narcissistic projection of who the rl person fantasizes that they are.
szavanna Resident: is there a problem in RL to be more open?
Eliza Madrigal: almost always a feeling of clearer seeing
Eliza Madrigal: that as Uns said allowed me to then apply that kind of looking with others too
DR42 Resident thinks that zens question makes her wonder what others might think in SL, not knowing the real "me."
Zen Arado: do we do that in RL too Uns?
Zen Arado: not sure what a narcissistic projection is anyway
Uns Mistwalker: yes of course, Zen....'personae' but SL exaggerates this tendency.
szavanna Resident: I look at everyone here as a person just like me
Eliza Madrigal: RL is more an exchange economy than SL... so people measure based on their impressions of their own reputations and impressions and gather collective images
Eliza Madrigal: at least many do
DR42 Resident: Interesting
szavanna Resident: I dont' imagine them being Tom Cruise or something
szavanna Resident: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :) Sun
szavanna Resident: 'or Bob Marley depending on tastes hehe
Uns Mistwalker: See the devastating "Virtually You," by Stanford Psychiatrist Elias Aboujaoude, MD
DR42 Resident: In RL, I don't have red hair.
Zen Arado: you are limited to who you meet in RL by career choices and geography etc
Uns Mistwalker: yes, true.
Zen Arado: a muc smaller range of people
szavanna Resident: hmm so SL can be a tool for self discovery
DR42 Resident: Not necessarily. I have met many people in RL from all over the place.
Uns Mistwalker: yes. the number of people an average person interacts with in a lifetime has risen exponentially with technology.
szavanna Resident: but it can also make you really lonely in RL
Zen Arado: and others discovery
Eliza Madrigal: I've disappointed people met in RL not to be as talkative and lively, and others have found me the same as online... so I am more "in question" to myself than pre SL
Uns Mistwalker: that's interesting Eliza.
szavanna Resident: :)
Zen Arado: I am more talkative in RL I think
szavanna Resident: you are?
Zen Arado: typing slows me down
szavanna Resident: :)
DR42 Resident: I have been told by friends from both RL and SL that in SL I sound more like a professor, with different language patterns.
szavanna Resident: I am often quiet - but that is due to the local environment I think
Zen Arado: I never shut up ..a girlfriend told me
Uns Mistwalker grins..... it is another topic... but my fingers say stuff here i would be VERY unlikely to voice.
Eliza Madrigal: ah, that's interesting too.. the way our voice can take on diff tones
szavanna Resident: giggles Zenji ;p
Eliza Madrigal: :) Uns
szavanna Resident: like?
Eliza Madrigal: lol
szavanna Resident: ;D
Zen Arado: why does text make a difference other than speed
DR42 Resident: Does PaB fail if we use voice? Saving chat with concent is OK, but IIRC, recording voice it not allowed by the ToS.
Zen Arado: ?
Eliza Madrigal: we used to have an unrecorded voice session
Uns Mistwalker: I think voice is, for many.... much 'nearer' to rl.
Zen Arado: I use voice very often in RL
Zen Arado: but not in pab
szavanna Resident: yes
szavanna Resident: I love to use voice when possible
Zen Arado: language classes mostly
Eliza Madrigal: I always felt more real on paper, even pre tech ... as a child
DR42 Resident: Unrecorded is OK, but how would you get that content into the blog?
Zen Arado: though I don't like the sound of my own voice
szavanna Resident: hmm Zenji everyone loves your voice
Eliza Madrigal: we wouldn't in that case unless someone allowed commentary as "the person said such n such"
Eliza Madrigal: true Zen... your voice is a wonderful asset
szavanna Resident: :)
Eliza Madrigal: funny... another example of our not hearing or knowing ourselves as others might
Zen Arado: I can't understand why..I think you just say that to be kind :-)
Eliza Madrigal: :P
Eliza Madrigal: yes... people hate Liam Neeson's voice too
szavanna Resident: ;D
Uns Mistwalker: Yes....the experience o hearing a recording of our voice often is one of alienation.
Uns Mistwalker: Eliza....
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Uns Mistwalker: hehe
szavanna Resident: Liam who?
Eliza Madrigal: hm... from newer Star Wars films...
Eliza Madrigal: or Love Actually...?
szavanna Resident: ah
szavanna Resident: ah I know love actually
Zen Arado: I think I will be truly seeing through my self when I can enjoy hearing the sound of my own voice as if it is just a voice and not "mine"
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: so the Irish man in Love Actually :)
szavanna Resident: aha :)
Uns Mistwalker: mmm. Yes,Zen.
szavanna Resident: ahh that guy
szavanna Resident: I saw a film yesterday and he was in it
Uns Mistwalker: it is hard though...because it resonates in your head in the way other voices you hear do not.
Eliza Madrigal nods
szavanna Resident: yes its funny to hear your own voice
Eliza Madrigal: our own theater
szavanna Resident: but people seem to be ok with it
Zen Arado: And how come we don't like the sound of our accent?
szavanna Resident: hehe
Zen Arado: Or maybe that is just me
Eliza Madrigal: I like my voice.. except when I'm nervous
szavanna Resident: I like my accent ;p or at least I have no probs
Zen Arado: Do Americans like their American accent?
szavanna Resident: hm there was a time when I sounded like my senegalese friends ....because I stayed with them for long
Uns Mistwalker: hehe.... "what accent?"
Eliza Madrigal doesn't have an American accent
Eliza Madrigal: :)
szavanna Resident: and my french friend told me I sound black
--BELL--
DR42 Resident: After I lived in the UK for a year, people told me I had an English" accent.
szavanna Resident: ;p
Zen Arado: Perhaps as Northern Irish have had a dislike of our accent instilled into us by the English
Uns Mistwalker: everyone else has an accent... not me.
szavanna Resident: you don't Uns?
Uns Mistwalker: yes, Zen!
Eliza Madrigal: exactly
szavanna Resident: thats not fair - let me DHL you an accent from here
szavanna Resident: I love Irish accents
Eliza Madrigal imagines that she's find herself much more attractive with Sun's accent... giggles
Zen Arado: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: *she'd
Zen Arado: I love women with a French accent and I don't know why
szavanna Resident: hehe ok let me DHL you a sun accent - the latest version
Zen Arado: I think I prefer Hungarian to South African accent though
AdamGreen Resident: back -- reading local back
Zen Arado: :-)
szavanna Resident: aww really
szavanna Resident: wb Adam °͜°
szavanna Resident: whats wrong with SA accent Zenji @@
Uns Mistwalker: it's a boer.
Zen Arado: there isn't any reason for it
Zen Arado: :-)
szavanna Resident: hmm °͜°
szavanna Resident: I hope my accent is hungarian enough hehe
szavanna Resident: its really fun to meet people from everywhere
Zen Arado: like Zsa Zsa Gabor
szavanna Resident: to me each accent is like a different melody
Zen Arado: very sophisticated
Eliza Madrigal: :)
szavanna Resident: ah Zsazsa
Zen Arado: darlings
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Zen Arado: :-)
szavanna Resident: lol
szavanna Resident: ok I will say darlings
szavanna Resident: sooo darlings ...ty so much for the fun discussion
Zen Arado: but cigarette holders are bit old-fashioned
DR42 Resident: I need to say "g'day mate." Errands to run.
Zen Arado: I can hardly remember her
szavanna Resident: we are slowly gonna shift to a building class
szavanna Resident: take care mate °͜°
szavanna Resident: and see you soon °͜°
Uns Mistwalker: g'Day Riff.
Zen Arado: g'day Riff
Eliza Madrigal: bye for now :)
szavanna Resident: I will spend a little time with helping with those that have questions
Eliza Madrigal: shifting slowly eyes that know me... (sings)
Zen Arado: Hi Luci
szavanna Resident: welcome Luci
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Luci :)
Lucinda Lavender: HI:)
szavanna Resident listens to her singing
Uns Mistwalker: there is a building class here, now?
Eliza Madrigal: I'm afraid to get input on my project because I don't want it fancied up :))
szavanna Resident: lets take a 5 min break
szavanna Resident: hehe
szavanna Resident: I will be back in a few mins
szavanna Resident: and then we do do a bit of building
Eliza Madrigal: thanks SUn
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Uns Mistwalker: thank you Sunji.
szavanna Resident: yes Uns we we build a bit
AdamGreen Resident: must run back to the commune and resume my dj role
szavanna Resident: that was great Uns ty for the topic
AdamGreen Resident: thanks uns for draggingme here
AdamGreen Resident: i'll be back
Eliza Madrigal: bye Uns and Adam
szavanna Resident: ahh have fun DJing
Uns Mistwalker: yvw.
Zen Arado: byee Adam and Uns
szavanna Resident: ty for coming
Eliza Madrigal: appreciated thoughts
szavanna Resident: ;))
szavanna Resident: ok so a short break
szavanna Resident: and back for building
Eliza Madrigal: ok see you soon - I won't stay too long for building but a bit
Eliza Madrigal: Luci that dress so suits you
Eliza Madrigal: Luci with diamonds ... sparkles
Lucinda Lavender: thank you... I like it too...I hope it is not too revealing...but I love it
Eliza Madrigal: no it is beautiful
Lucinda Lavender: I cannot seem to sit
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Eliza Madrigal: are you in ipad?
Lucinda Lavender: getting everything to rez is interesting
Lucinda Lavender: no laptop
Eliza Madrigal: I should remove the setting which will make it easier
Lucinda Lavender: ah ok...now everything comes to life
Eliza Madrigal: we were in a cocoon before
Lucinda Lavender: much better
Lucinda Lavender: lovely:)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: this was my project before I realized it was wrong
Lucinda Lavender: what is that?
Lucinda Lavender: which
Lucinda Lavender: I mean
szavanna Resident: back °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: this is from a dream a year ago
Lucinda Lavender: oh up in the air?
szavanna Resident: wow
Lucinda Lavender: looks in
szavanna Resident: i love it
Eliza Madrigal: but it is incorrect so I'll tweak with it
Eliza Madrigal: yes? not too simple?
Lucinda Lavender: lovely!
Eliza Madrigal: the hard part will be getting the dream to be conveyable in a short writing
szavanna Resident: I love it
Eliza Madrigal: thanks
Lucinda Lavender: stones, leaves...a dream...
szavanna Resident: it looks great
Lucinda Lavender: I will want to hear it
Lucinda Lavender: sometime
Eliza Madrigal: it was a rather astounding dream, but translating is hard
Eliza Madrigal: to show what it meant for me
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
szavanna Resident: if you have anything that could convey it better
szavanna Resident: hmm may be any extra object
szavanna Resident: or different textures
Eliza Madrigal: well I intentionally want the maple leaves to be like origami...
szavanna Resident: or particles
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: but the dream itself was simple
szavanna Resident: origami?
Eliza Madrigal: in tone, at the end
szavanna Resident: like those birds?
Eliza Madrigal: yes... so you can see the maple leaves are on squares
Eliza Madrigal: and I didn't want that not to be seen
Eliza Madrigal: though it looks like an error of bad building
Eliza Madrigal: lol
Lucinda Lavender: I get it...
szavanna Resident: ahh I can cut that out for you
szavanna Resident: if you want
Eliza Madrigal: actually i want it
Eliza Madrigal: that's what' s hard to convey... that it is intentional
szavanna Resident: but interesting to use origami birds
Eliza Madrigal: to be child like
szavanna Resident: ahh so its ok with the squares
Lucinda Lavender: reminds me of the gold paper stars made for the story about Peter Pan...they ascended a ladder to paste them in the sky
Eliza Madrigal: yes!
Eliza Madrigal: that is the feeling
Lucinda Lavender: the god paper stars come on cookies I think:)
Lucinda Lavender: gold
Zen Arado: I'm working with a photo
szavanna Resident: :)
szavanna Resident: listens to Zenji
szavanna Resident: Liz I love it
Eliza Madrigal: well I'll take it down but wanted to give an idea
Eliza Madrigal: thanks :)
szavanna Resident: but if you need anything fixed or done just IM
Eliza Madrigal: kk
szavanna Resident: ty for showing ;))
szavanna Resident: great to see everyone's ideas
Lucinda Lavender: cant wait to hear
Lucinda Lavender: it's story
szavanna Resident: °͜°
Eliza Madrigal: do you know which dream you are working with Luci?
szavanna Resident: Zenji tell me about the photo
Lucinda Lavender: I had a dream that spoke to the idea of how dreaming works
Lucinda Lavender: yet I have not found it
szavanna Resident: :)
Lucinda Lavender: in my journals yet
Zen Arado: it's a photo of the power station where I used to work
szavanna Resident: ah yes I remember
Zen Arado: I dream I am back there so often :)
szavanna Resident: what what changes are you making to it
Zen Arado: just making seamless
szavanna Resident: So Luci you still need to find it?
szavanna Resident: ah ok Zenji
szavanna Resident: do you have a first version ?
szavanna Resident: to see
szavanna Resident: shall we go outside?
Lucinda Lavender: yes...not found it yet
Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
Zen Arado: byee Eliza
Zen Arado: ♥♥♥