2013.06.21 13:00 - Perceiving Others

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[12:57] DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
[12:57] Yakuzza Lethecus: hez there
[12:57] Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome riff
[12:57] Wol Euler: hello yaku, riff
[12:58] Yakuzza Lethecus: did you recieve an introduction to the group ?
[12:58] DR42 Resident: I've been here oftem in the last few weeks.
[12:58] Wol Euler nods.
[12:58] Yakuzza Lethecus: cool, nice to meet you :)
[12:59] DR42 Resident: Same.

[12:59] Yakuzza Lethecus: so how are you both tonight ?
[13:00] Wol Euler: awfully hot and sweaty :(
[13:00] Wol Euler: I'm really not a summer person
[13:00] DR42 Resident: Nice day, about 75 out.
[13:01] Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it was 32 degree celsius and humid on wednesday too
[13:01] Yakuzza Lethecus: here in sweden it´s just about 20-25, much more pleasant
[13:02] Wol Euler: much better :)
[13:02] DR42 Resident: Yes, 23C here, but very humid.

[13:04] Yakuzza Lethecus: did one of you read something interesting lately ?
[13:05] DR42 Resident: I read a new article about the solar car race this year.
[13:05] Wol Euler: actually yes, a description of Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey" as applied to Hollywood filmmaking :)
[13:05] Wol Euler: you first :)
[13:06] DR42 Resident: No, it was short, but I had been part of some of the very first such "races" Personal interest.
[13:08] Yakuzza Lethecus: in germany it´s very popular to have solarelectric installations on roofs
[13:08] Wol Euler nods.
[13:08] Wol Euler: subsidized, even
[13:08] Wol Euler: how did that come about, riff?
[13:09] DR42 Resident: Here it is Solar / Water, mostly.
[13:10] DR42 Resident: I went to an engineering school, and helped on many cars for the "National Clean Air Car Race", back in Late 1960s
[13:10] Wol Euler: wow
[13:10] Wol Euler: cool

[13:10] Wol Euler: hello korel
[13:11] Yakuzza Lethecus: hey kori
[13:11] DR42 Resident: Namaste Korel
[13:11] Korel Laloix: Heya
[13:12] Korel Laloix: brb
[13:12] DR42 Resident: Wol, what about your reading?
[13:12] Wol Euler: let me just find the link ....
[13:14] Wol Euler: http://www.thewritersjourney.com/hero's_journey.htm
[13:16] DR42 Resident: Very interesting.
[13:17] Wol Euler: I was fascinated
[13:17] Wol Euler: looking "under the hood" of storytelling as it were

[13:18] Yakuzza Lethecus: i directly have to think of lord of the rings
[13:18] Wol Euler: exactly!
[13:18] Wol Euler smiles.
[13:18] Wol Euler: I think it's brilliant, and I am going to try to find campbell's book this weekend
[13:19] Wol Euler: it'll be my summer reading
[13:19] Yakuzza Lethecus: do you go to a public library ?
[13:19] Yakuzza Lethecus: or any of you ?
[13:20] Wol Euler: I did until it moved :/ it's now incredibly difficult to get to without using car or public transport, previously I could walk
[13:21] Yakuzza Lethecus: so they closed one of the satellite libs in order to save money ?
[13:21] Wol Euler: no, the main downtown library moved into the Stuttgart 21 area
[13:21] DR42 Resident: I found about a dozen books that are by campbell.
[13:21] Wol Euler: a political decision

[13:22] Wol Euler: Riff, the particular book discussed there is "the hero with a thousand faces"
[13:22] DR42 Resident: The Hero with a Thousand Faces (The Collected Works of Joseph Campbell) by Joseph Campbell (Jul 28, 2008)
[13:22] Wol Euler: right :)
[13:22] Wol Euler: it's fairly recent so might still be in print, I might be in luck
[13:26] Wol Euler: the local satellite library is still open, since you mentioned it :) but the selection there is broad but shallow
[13:27] Wol Euler: they could get it for me if the book were in the library system, but it would take a few days.
[13:27] Wol Euler: and I'd rather *have* it :)
[13:27] Yakuzza Lethecus: fernleihe is the key, in the local system it´s usually free
[13:28] Wol Euler: I think it costs one euro, which I find entirely fair
[13:28] Yakuzza Lethecus: when i went to a local lib a few times they usually never had the books i wanted and they weren´t in the local bibliotheksverbund, then they had an extra fee when it was from somewhere out of germany

[13:29] Wol Euler: we're very lucky that way, Stuttgart has a great city library system and there are three universities here, all connected in the lending arrangement
[13:36] DR42 Resident: Wow, it is 500 pages.
[13:36] Wol Euler smiles.

[13:37] Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zenji
[13:37] Zen Arado: Hi all
[13:37] Wol Euler: hello zen
[13:37] DR42 Resident: Greetings Zen
[13:39] Zen Arado: ty for nc Yaku
[13:41] Zen Arado: I've never read Joeph Campbell
[13:42] Zen Arado: and I never go to libraries
[13:42] Wol Euler: to be honest, nor I, but Eliza and Eos talked about him at the last retreat, so the name was in my mind

[13:42] Zen Arado: I looked at one of his books
[13:42] Zen Arado: but not reading so much lately
[13:42] Zen Arado: as I said last night
[13:43] Zen Arado: still reading 'The Deepest Acceptance'
[13:44] Wol Euler: I don't know that, what's it about?
[13:44] Zen Arado: reading a great chapter on relationships
[13:45] Zen Arado: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deepest-Acce...est+acceptance
[13:47] Zen Arado: I just noticed that all the reviews are five-star
[13:47] Zen Arado: quite unusual but maybe they are all Jeff Foster fans
[13:47] Wol Euler: ah, yes, you mentiioned Jeff Foster before

[13:47] DR42 Resident: After a discussion here, I dug out my "Human Dynamics" book.
[13:48] DR42 Resident: Human Dynamics? is a developmental system that demystifies the complexities of how people function and interact with one another.
[13:48] Zen Arado: that's a pretty difficult task
[13:49] Zen Arado: it's all a big mess I think
[13:49] Wol Euler: brb
[13:49] Zen Arado: who could work that out?
[13:49] Zen Arado: but we will never stop trying I guess

[13:50] DR42 Resident: It was a good book for me. The entire group I worked in took a 2 week class the author runs. We stopped being Dysfunctional.
[13:51] Zen Arado: that's amazing
[13:51] Zen Arado: maybe it was your faith in the teaching that made it work

[13:52] Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
[13:52] DR42 Resident: No, at that time I had no Faith. Mostly it changed the way my boss and her director viewed me.
[13:52] Eliza Madrigal: Hellos all around
[13:52] Zen Arado: I can see that it might work better in a group yes
[13:52] Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
[13:52] Zen Arado: but did it last?
[13:52] DR42 Resident: And, they learned how to ask me questions and not interrupt when I was answering them.
[13:53] DR42 Resident: Yes, it did.

[13:53] Zen Arado: I remember doing management courses like that
[13:53] Zen Arado: just a simple principles but they helped
[13:53] DR42 Resident: We would joke about the class from time to time.
[13:53] Zen Arado: if people would use them that is
[13:54] DR42 Resident: This was more changing how you perceive others than something you needed to do.
[13:54] Zen Arado: yes
[13:54] Zen Arado: just plain openness helps a lot
[13:55] Zen Arado: not hiding things from others and keeping good information flows going
[13:55] Zen Arado: not having little cliques
[13:55] Wol Euler: back. reading
[13:56] Wol Euler: hello eliza

[13:56] DR42 Resident: More than that. Understanding how other people who may not think the same way as you make decisions and what they need to make them.
[13:56] Zen Arado: I think that would be very difficult though
[13:56] Eliza Madrigal: :)
[13:56] Zen Arado: other people think in very different ways than us
[13:57] Zen Arado: and we think our way seems so sensible
[13:57] Wol Euler nods.
[13:57] Zen Arado: it's good to try though I guess
[13:57] Zen Arado: try to understand the others point of view

[13:57] Eliza Madrigal thinks of the skit with archie bunker and meathead arguing about whether to put on sock sock shoe shoe or sock shoe sock shoe
[13:58] Zen Arado: :-)
[13:58] Wol Euler: oh yes! heheh, how odd, I remembered that yesterday morning
[13:58] Eliza Madrigal: !
[13:58] Eliza Madrigal: :)
[13:58] Wol Euler: really

[13:58] Zen Arado: I remember working with a guy who said I had a nasty habit of seeing other people's point of view
[13:58] Zen Arado: :-)
[13:58] Eliza Madrigal smiles
[13:58] Eliza Madrigal: yeah... really inconvenient
[13:58] Wol Euler grins.
[13:59] Wol Euler: perhaps he was disappointed that you prevented an argument by seeing his point of view? :)
[13:59] Zen Arado: no, he didn't like me seeing others point of view
[13:59] Wol Euler: because ... ?
[13:59] Zen Arado: because he disagreed with it or didn't want to know about it
[13:59] Wol Euler: ah
[13:59] Wol Euler: well, surely that is his problem not yours

[14:00] Zen Arado: I better go and get set up
[14:00] Wol Euler: indeed :) see you shortly
[14:00] Zen Arado: the club has moved I think
[14:00] Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen
[14:00] Eliza Madrigal: see you in a bit, for a short while (have to retrieve my project first)
[14:00] Eliza Madrigal: ty
[14:01] Zen Arado: I gave everybody the LM
[14:01] Zen Arado: just discard it if you don't want it
[14:01] Zen Arado: byee for now

[14:01] Eliza Madrigal: sounds like you were having an interesting and practical talk today
[14:01] Wol Euler: about solar powered car racing, and joseph campbell :)
[14:02] Eliza Madrigal: :)
[14:02] Eliza Madrigal: ah gee
[14:03] DR42 Resident: Mostly, sitting quietly.
[14:03] Wol Euler: some of that too, yes :)
[14:03] Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
[14:03] Yakuzza Lethecus: and no onigokko so far i just realized
[14:03] Eliza Madrigal: Joseph Campbell seems to embody so many qualities of balance, kindness and fierce intellect
[14:03] Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
[14:03] Eliza Madrigal: hah.. caught without my oni again
[14:03] Wol Euler: oh no, why am I not wearing mine?
[14:04] Wol Euler: ready?
[14:04] Wol Euler: set?
[14:04] Wol Euler: onigokko
[14:04] Wol Euler: yay :)

[14:04] Eliza Madrigal: :) Maude, do you have an oni? I know this isn't Kori's favorite thing....
[14:05] DR42 Resident: No.
[14:06] Korel Laloix: stop
[14:06] Korel Laloix: Back.. smiles
[14:06] Eliza Madrigal: haha, trying to drop one on you with snoopies running about, lol
[14:06] Yakuzza Lethecus: maude; if you wear it just say "onigokko" in the mainchat
[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: hm, I'm being blocked can someone else pass along please?
[14:07] Korel Laloix: Pass what?
[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: onigokko :)
[14:07] Yakuzza Lethecus: i just did before
[14:07] DR42 Resident: I got it.
[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: ah, k
[14:07] Wol Euler: okay, great

[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: I'd better go take my project and be off for a bit of dancing
[14:07] Eliza Madrigal: see some soon ^^
[14:08] Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
[14:08] DR42 Resident: b
[14:08] Wol Euler: dancing! woot!!
[14:08] DR42 Resident: I'm going to head out for a bit. Bye.
[14:08] Wol Euler: if anyone wishes to come, Zen is playing music (dj) at Perfect Paradise for an hour
[14:08] Yakuzza Lethecus: good night maude, wol , kori
[14:09] Wol Euler: goodnight riff, korel, yaku
[14:09] Wol Euler: if you#d like to come, IM me for a TP