2013.06.22 13:00 - Screwing Myself into the Ground Sideways

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.


    Chameleon Hermit: 1pm right?
    Korel Laloix: I meditate when I run.
    Korel Laloix: at the ones and sevens.
    Chameleon Hermit: i see...
    Chameleon Hermit: I'll join one of these days
    Korel Laloix: So not too long from now...
    Korel Laloix: if you like.. good for a chat from time to time.
    Chameleon Hermit: sure..
    Chameleon Hermit: see u soon
    Korel Laloix: ciao
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Kori.
    Korel Laloix: heya... smiles


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Korel Laloix: Good to see you.
    Korel Laloix: how is your Saturday?
    Bruce Mowbray: Did you ever have one of those days when you KNEW you were screwing yourself into the ground sideways, but kept on doing it?
    Korel Laloix: Oh sure... enjoy it to the max, will make the regret more tolerable tomorrow... smiles
    Bruce Mowbray laughs.
    Bruce Mowbray: For sure.
    Bruce Mowbray: It HAS to be a good Sunday, then.
    Korel Laloix: I went through about a year of that thinking.
    Bruce Mowbray: omg.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have trouble enduring a single day of it.
    Korel Laloix: Well, I was 19 or 20.
    Korel Laloix: So had a bit more energy and less room for regret.
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, that's expected of persons that age, I guess.
    Bruce Mowbray: The great thing about being in your teens and 20's is that you can make ALL the mistakes, and that's fine....
    Bruce Mowbray: It's called "life exploration."
    Bruce Mowbray: But when you're in your 70's, one should know better.
    Korel Laloix: Another word would be "stupid"
    Korel Laloix: lol
    Bruce Mowbray: Indeed!
    Korel Laloix: I did 'stupid' with great fervor and exuberance..
    Bruce Mowbray: :----))))
    Korel Laloix: Still a lot of good memories.. and quite a few cringing moments.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes!
    Bruce Mowbray: I also have fond memories of my stupidity in my 20's.
    Korel Laloix smiles
    Korel Laloix: Well, I still have 4 years to go.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahhhh!
    Korel Laloix: So I still have some room.
    Korel Laloix: So just go ahead and start taking aspirin, having some whiskey an booking yourself a massage for Monday.
    Bruce Mowbray: Would love to look forward to a massage on Monday!
    Bruce Mowbray: Can I tell you how I screwed myself into the ground sideways?
    Korel Laloix: I need to have another nice spa day.
    Korel Laloix: if you want... smiles
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Korel Laloix: Just exaggerate a bit.
    Korel Laloix: Make me worry about you.. more fun that way.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have a friend in Alaska who owed me $5400.
    Bruce Mowbray: He sent me his final repayment check for that amount on June 14th.
    Korel Laloix: Past tense?
    Korel Laloix: Oh great
    Bruce Mowbray: THEN, on June 20th, I received a note from him saying that he'd just sent the check "yesterday"
    Bruce Mowbray: so, I calculated what "yesterday" would mean for him
    Bruce Mowbray: and I couldn't come within 4 days of the actual date he'd sent the check.
    Bruce Mowbray: Now, he's recovering from his third brain tumor surgery...
    Bruce Mowbray: and complaining of SEVERE lapses in memory...
    Korel Laloix: Ouch.. not good.
    Bruce Mowbray: so, I thought perhaps he'd forgotten the first check, and that he'd sent me a second check...
    Bruce Mowbray: So, I sent him an email saying that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh my.
    Bruce Mowbray: I should have stayed quiet.
    Korel Laloix: That has to be hard to watch, Bruce.
    Bruce Mowbray: Well,....
    Korel Laloix: How did that go?
    Bruce Mowbray: I cashed the [only] check that he sent.
    Bruce Mowbray: and all I've received from him since I sent my email asking if he'd sent another check, was a rather sarcastic reply.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bruce Mowbray: and that's fine.
    Bruce Mowbray: all things considered.
    Bruce Mowbray: but I let that THAT ruin my day!
    Korel Laloix: Sorry that is happening Bruce. for both of you.
    Bruce Mowbray: SHAME on me.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yeah.
    Bruce Mowbray: TY, Kori.
    Bruce Mowbray: I know that you mean it.
    DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє
    Bruce Mowbray: Why are things out of order when I post them in chat?
    Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Riff!
    Korel Laloix: Those are the emotions that are hard to let just wash over you.
    Korel Laloix: Lag.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, they are.
    Korel Laloix: Namaskar riff
    Bruce Mowbray: You've been here before, haven't you, Riff?
    DR42 Resident: Chat server lag, maybe a dropped packet. Chat messages can arrive out of order.
    Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
    Korel Laloix: That happens to me all the time.
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    DR42 Resident: Last time I was here was 6 hours ago.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk, thanks, Riff.
    Bruce Mowbray: Welcome back!
    Bruce Mowbray: What gripes me about it, is that I am able to watch my behavior all along the way...
    Bruce Mowbray: and still I did this to myself.
    Korel Laloix: Sucks to be human sometimes... smiles
    Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
    DR42 Resident: You are human? Really?
    Bruce Mowbray: Semi-human, yes.
    Korel Laloix: But that is an odd experience.. being able to watch your behavior as if from the outside in horror at what this stupid person is doing.. knowing fully well it is yourself.
    Bruce Mowbray: YES!
    Bruce Mowbray: as if my life were a movie,
    Korel Laloix: I got really go at that one... been reading my journals recently.
    Bruce Mowbray: and I ran the movie projector,
    Bruce Mowbray: but didn't turn it off.
    Korel Laloix: And did a lot of self regret reporting.
    Bruce Mowbray listens.


    --BELL--


    Korel Laloix: Just reading back at how addicted I was to things.. . how I let things control me... how I treated others any myself.. as if a reporter.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have also done a lot of self-regret reporting in my Journal -- kept since one month after I almost witnessed the assassination of JFK in Dallas.
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Korel Laloix: I started mine at the direction of my court appointed therapist.
    Korel Laloix: But kept it going after that was done.
    Bruce Mowbray: a wise suggestion from the court-appointed therapist, I'd think.
    Korel Laloix: The guy did care.
    Korel Laloix: But was not ready for me... lol
    Bruce Mowbray: The un-examined life is not worth living.
    Bruce Mowbray: I can surely understand that he was NOT ready for you, Kori!
    Bruce Mowbray: That's how I feel about a lot of people I meet, actually.
    Korel Laloix: Reading back on the notes from those sessions is rather comical.
    Bruce Mowbray listens.
    Bruce Mowbray: May I make a suggestion about your journaling, Kori?
    Korel Laloix: he was expecting someone of very different demographics, uneducated, etc.
    Korel Laloix: Sure.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have kept my journals in loose-leaf binders -- ever since 1963...
    Bruce Mowbray: I now have literally dozens of them,
    Bruce Mowbray: and this makes it easier.
    Bruce Mowbray: It's all there.
    Bruce Mowbray: Probably the most "valuable" thing I have -- here, physically, I mean.
    Bruce Mowbray: but if the house were on fire,
    Korel Laloix: I use bound books per six months.
    Korel Laloix: I have some nice leather ones.
    Bruce Mowbray: it would probably take a U-Haul to get them all out!
    Korel Laloix: But I have been recently scanning them in as well.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh! Bound books?
    Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful!
    Korel Laloix: it works for me, I can still pack them in my backpack with ease or in my saddle bags.
    Bruce Mowbray: Scanning them into computer formats.... a good ides... never thought of that.
    DR42 Resident scans her medical records but cannot keep up.
    Bruce Mowbray: Hmmmm.
    Bruce Mowbray: I have all of my medical records scanned, but not my journals.
    Korel Laloix: I just take a few moments from time to time and scan a month at a time.
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow.
    Korel Laloix: And I upload them to private cloud drive encrypted.
    Korel Laloix: So about half way done.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ahh! That's great, Kori!
    Korel Laloix: I just don't want to loose them.
    Bruce Mowbray: For sure!
    DR42 Resident: I started to do it when a hospital lost a bunch of my records. I insist on things like actual lab reports, not a summary.
    Korel Laloix: And after the recent tornadoes here, I went and got a fire proof safe box thing and moved them into there.
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow, good idea to keep your own records, then, Riff.
    Bruce Mowbray: Wow. Good idea, Kori.
    Korel Laloix: I should do that Riff.
    Korel Laloix: Will do that after my journals.
    Korel Laloix: yes, having the full record is great.
    DR42 Resident: Also, I have so many doctors from time to time, that I simply bring my recent history with me.
    Bruce Mowbray: Actually, I'd wish that my Journals would disappear at the moment of my death... I don't want them saved.
    Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Riff.
    Korel Laloix: When I was trying to join ROTC I had to go find all my records from so many hospitals, was painful... so I don't' want to have that again.
    Korel Laloix: Why Bruce?.. donate them to a university...
    Bruce Mowbray: Funny coincidence, Riff.... Just last night I downloaded all of my medical records from Anthem Blue Cross and printed them out.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh, it's rather personal stuff, Kori.
    Korel Laloix: Mine are too...
    Bruce Mowbray: and I don't see how anyone would be interested it in.
    Korel Laloix: But the life not examined is not worth......?
    DR42 Resident: I have become compulsive. I have one spreadsheet that has all my lab tests for the last 5 years. Doctors love it, because they can see all the trends as well without digging thru a pile of paper.
    Bruce Mowbray: All of my journals are now copies of letters that I write to a prisoner friend...
    Bruce Mowbray: whom I've written for over thirty years.
    Bruce Mowbray: (longer than you have been alive, Kori)
    Korel Laloix: You have mentioned them before.. glad you have that relationship
    Korel Laloix: I no... geezer.
    Bruce Mowbray: I am also.
    Korel Laloix: me smiles
    DR42 Resident: When you are totally famous, then lots of people will want to read them.
    Bruce Mowbray: The last thing I'd wish is to be famous.
    Bruce Mowbray: I would rather disappear utterly.
    Korel Laloix: My journals are actually screwed up enough to actually be fairly entertaining in some ways.
    DR42 Resident: Not even for 15 minutes?
    Bruce Mowbray: I've been famous for 15 minutes already, and it's not that big a deal, actually.
    Korel Laloix: And with all the chat I have done in PaB, that is another biography
    Korel Laloix: brb
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    DR42 Resident: I log all my chat in SL, both local and IMs
    Bruce Mowbray: really?
    Bruce Mowbray: You save it from your hard drive, then?
    DR42 Resident: I can never remember things, and if someone gives a url or something, I can go back and look to see what it was.
    Bruce Mowbray: ahhh!
    Bruce Mowbray: A wise move on your part.
    Bruce Mowbray: You are aware that our chats are recorded in a wiki of course....
    Bruce Mowbray: I will be posting that tonight.


    --BELL--


    DR42 Resident: Yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: kk.
    Bruce Mowbray: I want to be sure to recommend a movie if you have not already seen it: Life of Pi. I have watched the entire movie two nights in a row, and it is wonderful. One of the best movies I've seen in my whole life.
    DR42 Resident: :) I just downloaded it so I could watch it.
    DR42 Resident: A few days ago.
    Bruce Mowbray: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454876/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    Life_of_Pi_PaB.png


    Bruce Mowbray: Oh! Wonderful!
    Bruce Mowbray: It is a powerful and inspirational film, Riff.
    Bruce Mowbray: an epiphany, of sorts.
    Bruce Mowbray: perhaps a series of epiphanies.
    Bruce Mowbray: That movie coincides, in a way, with what Kori and I were talking about: Journals.
    Bruce Mowbray: the young man tries to keep track of his experiences through journaling.
    Bruce Mowbray: although eventually that gets blown away.
    Bruce Mowbray: (as I would wish my own journals to be).
    Bruce Mowbray: (all 50 years of them!)
    DR42 Resident: You have so much invested in them. You must have a very strong attachment to them.
    Bruce Mowbray: No attachment at all, actually.
    Bruce Mowbray: Really, I'd wish them to disappear when I die.
    Bruce Mowbray: and why I even hold on to them now is a mystery to me.
    DR42 Resident: But you can throw them out now?
    Bruce Mowbray: I surely wish I could!
    Bruce Mowbray: They are holding me.... not me holding them.
    Bruce Mowbray: I started writing them the month after President Kennedy was assassinated...
    Bruce Mowbray: which I missed witnessing by about 20 minutes.
    Bruce Mowbray: (I saw him in at Gate 24, Love Field -- the Dallas airport....)
    Bruce Mowbray: and I have kept them ever since.
    Bruce Mowbray: Adventures in Berkeley...
    Bruce Mowbray: adventures walking across America...
    DR42 Resident: Did the assignation have a big impact on you when it happened? I assume so.
    Bruce Mowbray: adventures of all sorts... and many mis-adventures, also.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, it had an enormous impact on me.
    Bruce Mowbray: It changed my whole life, in a way.
    Bruce Mowbray: Most of my friends left the university (SMU) and returned to their homes in the north.
    DR42 Resident: SO, it marks a major milestone. Represents the changes you have gone thru.
    Bruce Mowbray: but I stayed on, in Dallas, because it was my senior year.
    Bruce Mowbray: But it shaped me powerfully...
    Bruce Mowbray: made me radical in my views, and opinions, and leanings.
    Bruce Mowbray: Took more radical and dangerous chances, after that.
    Bruce Mowbray: Thought: "If this fine young president can die at the whim of a crazy man, then what's to hold me back from taking chances too?"
    Bruce Mowbray: I became crazy myself for a while, actually.
    DR42 Resident: It makes me sad that that sort of violence was considered a solution. It makes me even sadder that it seems to be rapidly gaining in popularity today, but mostly by the members of Congress.
    Bruce Mowbray: Oh yes.
    Bruce Mowbray: I became a radical pacifist after that.
    Bruce Mowbray: was drafted to fight in Vietnam,
    Bruce Mowbray: but refused induction.
    Bruce Mowbray: became a Quaker,
    Bruce Mowbray: which I am to this day.


    --BELL--


    Bruce Mowbray: http://circlevillefriendsworshipgroup.org
    Bruce Mowbray: [That's our Meeting's website.]
    DR42 Resident: IIRC, there are only 2 churches in the US who's members were considered eligible for "CO" status at the time. One the Friends, the other Unitarians.
    Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and I was BOTH!
    DR42 Resident: (it seems the 90 second times didn't go off.)
    DR42 Resident: I am the latter.
    Bruce Mowbray: I attended a Unitarian seminary in Berkeley.
    Bruce Mowbray: Starr King School for the Ministry.

    http://www.sksm.edu/about/


    Bruce Mowbray: But I STILL couldn't persuade the draft board that I was eligible for exemption.
    Bruce Mowbray: even though I have been a CO since I registered for the draft at age 18.
    Bruce Mowbray: probably the reason the 90 sec didn't go off for you, Riff, is that I have the fountain turned to "low." sry.
    Bruce Mowbray: I will turn it back up now.
    DR42 Resident: ty. I never saw the text, either.
    Bruce Mowbray: really?
    Bruce Mowbray: hmmmm.
    Bruce Mowbray:[13:45] Play as Being 15 minute bell: Conversations here are recorded when ON AIR. Please see http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ [13:45] Play as Being 15 minute bell: Please observe 90 seconds of silence.
    Bruce Mowbray: How's that?
    DR42 Resident: I didn't see the message at the end.
    Bruce Mowbray: hmmm. looks again...............
    Bruce Mowbray: [13:46] Play as Being 15 minute bell: Thank you.
    Bruce Mowbray: how's that?
    DR42 Resident: Well, as you noted, chat in SL can be wonky.
    Bruce Mowbray loves wonky!
    Bruce Mowbray considers changing his name to "Wonky."
    DR42 Resident: Do it, but you are stuck with it for a week.
    Bruce Mowbray: Ha ha!
    Bruce Mowbray: There's sort of a momentum that I've built up with my present name...
    Bruce Mowbray: and also with my Journals.
    DR42 Resident: Bruce, Almighty.
    Bruce Mowbray: a momentum that makes me feel I can't change directions... too much, too soon, too radically.
    Bruce Mowbray: ha ha!
    Bruce Mowbray: I sincerely hope that you watch Life of Pi, Riff.
    DR42 Resident: I will.
    Bruce Mowbray: and I'm sure you will enjoy it immensely.
    Bruce Mowbray: Well, then, my typist is getting hungry and wants to move on so he can eat.
    Bruce Mowbray: I shall take my leave.
    Bruce Mowbray: THANKS, Riff and thank you, Kori.
    DR42 Resident: kk, safe travels.
    Bruce Mowbray: Bye for now, good people!
    DR42 Resident: Safe travels for you as well, Korel.

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