2013.06.30 08:00 - Guardian Meeting

Present were Agatha, Aph, Bleu, Cat, Maxine, Sun, Yaku and Zen

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Cat :)
Catrinamonblue: hi :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Agatha, Catrina
Catrinamonblue: Hi Maxine :)
Maxine Walden: nice to see you both
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Max
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hi all :)
Catrinamonblue: Hi Bleu
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Bleu :)
Maxine Walden: hi, bleu
Sunshine (szavanna): hi all °͜°
Second Life: Aph is online.
Catrinamonblue: Hi Sun & Zen :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Zen, Sun
Sunshine (szavanna): cute hair Aga
Sunshine (szavanna): ❤
Zen (zen.arado): Hi Cat, Maxine, Aggers
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Zenny
Sunshine (szavanna): hi Maxine, Cat °͜°
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wonder if Liz is coming?
Catrinamonblue: Hope so :)
Sunshine (szavanna): she said she might not make it
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Sunny
Bleu (bleu.oleander): where is that Liz hehe
Sunshine (szavanna): waves ;))
Zen (zen.arado): she's elsewhere
Zen (zen.arado): :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yep
Bleu (bleu.oleander): out there
Sunshine (szavanna): beyond the great beyond
Catrinamonblue: :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Better check my chat is on then
Bleu (bleu.oleander): occupying her outer Lizness
Sunshine (szavanna): ;))
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hiya Aph
Catrinamonblue: HI Aph
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Seems to be in order
Sunshine (szavanna): hi Aph °͜°
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Aph
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): MPrning
Zen (zen.arado): hi Aphrodite
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): :-)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): MPring to you too
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sorry I'm late
Maxine Walden: hi, Aph
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Hi Maxine
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): We haven't actually started yet
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): good
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): /me wonders if anyone else is coming
Catrinamonblue: slow morning :)
Zen (zen.arado): the typing noise has changed in the Linden labs viewer
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Is it better or worse?
Maxine Walden: I probably can't stay the whole hour, hoping to hear how all the 'dream' plans are going. Is that part of the agenda?
Zen (zen.arado): better I think
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): good
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): dream plans?

Aggers (agatha.macbeth): OK, shall we kick off with Art of Dream stuff then?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yay
Sunshine (szavanna): yes its best - I will need to go also after that
Maxine Walden: :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bleuji?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): a commercial for a special session:
Sunshine (szavanna): rl is soo busy
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Fox Monacular will be a guest presenter at Maxine's weekly Dream Session next
 Tuesday, July 2nd at 1pm.
 She will focus her talk on recent advances in dream research and include some
 new ideas on dreams and memory.
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we are thin on the ground
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Great
Bleu (bleu.oleander): and the following week Maxine will do a special session
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): cool
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Will be good to see Foxy again
Bleu (bleu.oleander): July 9 at 1pm
Maxine Walden: yes, really looking forward to seeing/hearing her again
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Thanks
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): will someone send out an email?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so interesting conversations coming up
Bleu (bleu.oleander): I did
Bleu (bleu.oleander): will send again though
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ah haven't checked yet. thanks
Bleu (bleu.oleander): and our opening for the Art of Being project is on Sunday July 6 at Noon SLT
Bleu (bleu.oleander): some projects installed already
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Stormy has done his usual good job with the dome
Sunshine (szavanna): yes and we are busy with Luci's and Aph's ideas
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes...
Second Life: Yaku is online.
Sunshine (szavanna): so we add that last touch soon
Bleu (bleu.oleander): Storm did a lovely installation for our projects
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): makes a note to work on it today
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I see some pieces already in place
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): hi Yaku!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Snoop :)
Sunshine (szavanna): hi Yakuji :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hey Yaku
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey everyone
Zen (zen.arado): hi Yaku
Catrinamonblue: HI Yaku :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Yaku
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): scratches yaku's ear
Sunshine (szavanna): :)
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus likes that
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): scrates the other
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): So, art project seems in full swing then, how about topics for next two weeks?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): and scaratches
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): and scratches
Sunshine (szavanna): I must go - but IM me anytime for the dream eggs help
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Aww
Zen (zen.arado): byee Sunji
Bleu (bleu.oleander): kk ty Sunji
Sunshine (szavanna): today there is no class at 1pm
Sunshine (szavanna): but I am here before it
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye sunshine
Catrinamonblue: bye Sun :)
Sunshine (szavanna): and of course tomorrow 8am
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Thanks Sun
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): waves at sun
Sunshine (szavanna): ;)) take care all and have a great week ;))
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): thanks for all your help
Sunshine (szavanna): ❤
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): ♥
Sunshine (szavanna): yw ;))
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Be careful out there
Bleu (bleu.oleander):  ♥ *•.¸♥¸.•* ♥
Zen (zen.arado): ♥
Maxine Walden: I had better go as well. Nice to see everyone and look forward to our dreaming events.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Max
Catrinamonblue: Bye Maxine
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Maxine ty!
Maxine Walden: see you all soon, I hope
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): wow short meeting!
Zen (zen.arado): bye Maxine
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): waves at Maxine
Second Life: Maxine Walden is offline.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oh is anyone having any google group problems still?
Zen (zen.arado): I don't think so
Bleu (bleu.oleander): not me
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Think Rosie said she was
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): no but I'm still trying to get the new versions of SL and Phoenix
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Don't think there will be a new Phoenix out Aph :p
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Firefox
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hehe
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sorry
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): i installed the new version of firestorm friday and i have strange issues
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes I'm on 4.4.1 it seems ok thus far
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): right now i see only bleu and zen
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Firestorm
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oh Yaku?
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): but not aggers,cat and aph
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sorry- haven't had coffee yet
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Erk
Catrinamonblue: I have Firestorm 4.4.0 and am fine
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hang on I'll rb
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): you cant see me?
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): no sadly not
Bleu (bleu.oleander): why is firestorm better for you all than the LL viewer?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hm, I seem to see everybody okay
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): me too
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): even tho when i was at the pavillion i did tp to you and that worked so i knew you are there
Zen (zen.arado): how come I never see gray people in Second Life nowadays?
Zen (zen.arado): I remember seeing that years ago
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I do - sometimes partially grey
Zen (zen.arado): but I have a faster connection now I suppose
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): Zen: thats what Storm wrote to update the viewers
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): You shouldn't see any greys at all after the 9th
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): i have 4.4.1 because of that
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): provided we have the new version
Zen (zen.arado): I think the Linden lab's view is already on that
Bleu (bleu.oleander): I never see gray people
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Maybe they are all at Area 51
Zen (zen.arado): it takes a lot longer to login now
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes I upgraded and it works great
Zen (zen.arado): the last two or three weeks anyway
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): you're just an optimist Bleu
Bleu (bleu.oleander): lol
Zen (zen.arado): my just upgrades automatically it upgraded yesterday
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Nice dress Aph
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): can you see me now Yaku?
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): now i can see you :9
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I've had issues at Kira sometimes when I couldn't see people but not here
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I relates to what side of the room I'm on then
Bleu (bleu.oleander): a lot depends on your graphic cards
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): You were over the boundary?
Zen (zen.arado): it depends how fast your computer is too
Bleu (bleu.oleander): not the viewer
Bleu (bleu.oleander): that too
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): so- themes for the next 2 weeks...
Zen (zen.arado): if you have a fast computer and fast connection you won't have any problems but some of us aren't that lucky
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Well mine is an old machine but FS seems to work ok on it
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): maybe we should just consult the list on the wiki
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ok, so topics then
Catrinamonblue: I know I've already been suggesting a lot lately but I have been thinking a lot lately too I do have a topic suggestion if interested :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander) listens
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): great
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Anybody got any to toss in the ring so to speak?
Zen (zen.arado): certainly Cat
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): :)
Catrinamonblue: The difference between empathy and compassion
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sounds good
Bleu (bleu.oleander): sold!
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yep
Zen (zen.arado): sure
Catrinamonblue: :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Works for week 1
Zen (zen.arado): and pity?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): And for 2?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Pity could be 2 then
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): sure- they are often used interchangeably so it might be interesting to determine whether there is a difference and when we can apply them
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) nods
Bleu (bleu.oleander): how do we move from empathy or compassion to action?
Zen (zen.arado): no I just wanted to add it to the other two
Catrinamonblue: good question Bleu
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nice and practical Blue- yes
Zen (zen.arado): because they get confused
Zen (zen.arado): isn't that all the same question though?
Catrinamonblue: yes Zen I can see that and would like to add it to the discussion
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so moving from interior to exterior
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Or is it enough just to empathize?
Zen (zen.arado): Compassion is a waste of time if it isn't followed by action
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Does it require action?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): So E & C and Pity too
Catrinamonblue: My thought was that while compassion has empathy as a component empathy does not necessarily have compassion
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes- a clear difference there
Bleu (bleu.oleander): words are foggy ... depends on how you define them
Zen (zen.arado): and can it be generated or is it in eight in eight innateor are you a bad person if you don't have it?
Zen (zen.arado): stupid voice typing
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): innate?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): can be cultivated
Zen (zen.arado): in eight for innate
Zen (zen.arado): :(
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): 'In eight'...like that!
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): how about in seven?
Bleu (bleu.oleander) reading Dante, now in eighth circle lol
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Round here that would involve swimming
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): where is that Blue? Who's there?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): some very bad actors !
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah Inferno?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes
Bleu (bleu.oleander): yes
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) grins
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what's at that level?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): the evil counselors
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): How many levels altogether then?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ah
Bleu (bleu.oleander): the liers
Bleu (bleu.oleander): the thieves
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): people who give bad advice...
Bleu (bleu.oleander): the hypocrites
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): So the government then?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): wow- a whole bundle of them
Catrinamonblue: :)
Zen (zen.arado): :-)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): a bundle of politicians
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): What a horrible thought
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hypocrisy ... good topic
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): a nightmare
Zen (zen.arado): a pack
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Bleu
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good for Number 2?
Zen (zen.arado): our authenticity
Catrinamonblue: yes
Zen (zen.arado): yes a good one
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yay
Bleu (bleu.oleander): goes along with being compassionate and not acting
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): so the difference between empathy and compassion (1) and whether action should follow e or c
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): (2)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): works for me
Zen (zen.arado): authenticity or hypocrisy?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): That should create some good conversations
Zen (zen.arado): They are opposites aren't they?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): yes
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): not sure what to do with them though
Zen (zen.arado): Not quite genuiness and honesty maybe
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): but what is the issue?
Zen (zen.arado): or openness
Bleu (bleu.oleander): is it hypocritic to say you are compassionate but not act that way?
Zen (zen.arado): yes I think so, not genuine then
Catrinamonblue: very very good question Bleu
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): no debate there...
Zen (zen.arado): hypocrisy is a kind of dishonest pretence isn't it?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so is that part of week 1 or a separate topic for week 2?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we already have 2 topics don't we?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I thought we did
Catrinamonblue: they blen into each other
Zen (zen.arado): Yes we are just expanding the definitions of them I think
Catrinamonblue: blend*
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): the difference between c & e and whether to act upon either
Zen (zen.arado): basically compassion and hypocrisy seem to be the two topics
Zen (zen.arado): yes?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): what has hypocrisy got to do with them?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Right
Zen (zen.arado): Well hypocrisy can be connected with compassion that does not involve action as blue said
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): were we not asking is it good enough to simply be compassionate?
Bleu (bleu.oleander): hypocrisy in the sense or talking a good talk instead of action
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): or should one act upon it?
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Zen (zen.arado): that can be discussed
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): anyway - these are suggestions
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): we can work them the way we like
Bleu (bleu.oleander): so empathy/compassion week 1 - hypocrisy week 2?
Zen (zen.arado): compassion empathy pity
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Works for me
Zen (zen.arado): hypocrisy genuineness authenticity honesty openness
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): omg
Catrinamonblue: great I like it :)
Zen (zen.arado): just expanding the two topics is all
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): is there a question there somewhere?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'm sure we can find one :p
Bleu (bleu.oleander): ok done?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): I will talk about whether to act upon compassion
Zen (zen.arado): I think so
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Yes done
Zen (zen.arado): of course Aphrodite
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Seems so
Catrinamonblue: :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): we are a small but effective group today lol
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Unless anyone has any other business of course?
Zen (zen.arado): perhaps compassion could also lead to not acting in some cases
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Any problems?
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): and before that the difference between empathy and compassion
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Queries?
Zen (zen.arado): out of compassion but...
Catrinamonblue: yes htere are times when it is better to leave alone to let them learn their own lessons
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): So we're a happy bunch then ;-)
Catrinamonblue: yes
Bleu (bleu.oleander): :D
Zen (zen.arado): Yes but that is a kind of action to I guess
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yay
Zen (zen.arado): and in action action :-)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): nods, watching and listening with compassion
Zen (zen.arado): inaction
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): time for coffeeeeeee
Catrinamonblue: ties in with my previous suggestion of when to wait and when to act :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): Bye everyone
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Slurp well Aph
Catrinamonblue: bye Aph :)
Aph (aphrodite.macbain): bye
Zen (zen.arado): by Aphrodite
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye aph
Bleu (bleu.oleander): coffee YES
Bleu (bleu.oleander): bye Aph
Zen (zen.arado): my voice typing only knows Aphrodite NOT Aph :)
Zen (zen.arado): not Aph
Catrinamonblue: :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): have to go also
Zen (zen.arado): drat
Zen (zen.arado): looks like everyone is going
Catrinamonblue: Bye Bleu :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): How does it spell Aph then?
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Bleuji
Zen (zen.arado): half
Zen (zen.arado): :-)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): OMG
Bleu (bleu.oleander): c u all .... looking forward to seeing your dreams
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye bleu
Catrinamonblue: :)
Bleu (bleu.oleander): byeeee
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'll see you in my dreams
Zen (zen.arado): or after
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Indeed
Zen (zen.arado): bye bleu
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): inate to in eight was quiet fun before
Zen (zen.arado): for Aph I mean
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): In 8
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): 8)
Second Life: Bleu is offline.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Ah, the joy of numbers
Catrinamonblue: :)
Catrinamonblue: I'm going to have a look at the dome and see what's there already :)
Catrinamonblue: see you all later :)
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Cat ^.^
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): happy dreaming cat
Zen (zen.arado): bye Cat
Second Life: Xirana is online.
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes I must start thinking of something
Zen (zen.arado): guess everyone is going
Zen (zen.arado): me too
Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): now after standing up i could see you both
Aggers (agatha.macbeth) declares the meeting closed

So topics for next two weeks:

1) The difference between empathy and compassion and pity

2) Hypocrisy