The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

DR42 Resident: 's current display-name is "Riff Raff (aka Maude)".
Riff Raff (dr42): ηαмαѕтє
Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Maude

At this point I crashed (well done SL!). When I finally managed to return Wol was giving the intro to a couple of visitors. Since they did not wish to be recorded their dialog has been removed.

DR42 Resident: wb Aggers
Wol Euler: hello aggers!
Agatha Macbeth: 's current display-name is "Aggers".
Agatha Macbeth: Well that was a pain, unless it's FS

I notice Maude's tag
Agatha Macbeth: Woman of no shame? :p
--BELL--1315
DR42 Resident: lol, one of the people from UUtopia was accused of being a Woman of no Shame, so I added the title for people to use. In RL, she is an ordained minister.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh man
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: What is UUtopia?
DR42 Resident: 4 Regions that belong to Unitarian Universalists.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah I see
Agatha Macbeth: Is that a church?
DR42 Resident: Yes.
DR42 Resident: uua.org
Agatha Macbeth: OK
Agatha Macbeth: What do they believe?
DR42 Resident: Well, they are Unitarians, We have members who are Atheists, Wiccan, Pagen, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Humanists....
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Wol Euler: that's pretty unified :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bet you have some good discussions :p
DR42 Resident: We support eachothers spirutial development. We don't really care which beliefs you bring in the door, we will support you.
Agatha Macbeth: That's pretty refreshing
DR42 Resident: 4 UUs can give you 8 opinions on any single topic. :)
Agatha Macbeth: Certainly makes a change from 'I'm right and you're wrong'
DR42 Resident: Yes, we are VERY accepting and very active in social justice programs.
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds wonderful
DR42 Resident: I think it is. I made some wonderful friends there.
Agatha Macbeth: Glad to hear it :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: I think that's one of SL's main attractions, meeting like minded people
DR42 Resident: Oh, I was talking about my Brick and Mortar church, but it applies to the UUtopia folks here.
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I like the concept of a bricks and mortar church
Wol Euler: as opposed to concrete and glass, say?
Wol Euler: or wood?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh god yes
Agatha Macbeth: Some of those modern buildings...yeuch
Wol Euler grins.
DR42 Resident: Well, my RL church is actually wood and almost 200 years old, which, in the US, is very old.
Agatha Macbeth: That sounds amazing
--BELL--1330
Agatha Macbeth: Had another long day Wollie?
Wol Euler: no so bad actually, I was home at 8:30
Wol Euler: which counts as early these days
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Agatha Macbeth: How's the project?
Wol Euler: looking very good actually
Wol Euler: still have a lot to draw and a few design decisions remain open, bu we are well on track
Agatha Macbeth: Well something to be thankful for at least
Wol Euler: the next two weeks will be hard, though (up to the deadline)
Agatha Macbeth: Best of luck with that
Wol Euler: thanks :)
Agatha Macbeth: How did you come to SL Maude?
DR42 Resident: My therapist, 9 years ago.
Agatha Macbeth: Nine?
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
DR42 Resident: 2004\
Wol Euler: wow
Agatha Macbeth: Oh so not your first av?
DR42 Resident: I still explore and learn. Thats why I like this place, it opens my views.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, true
DR42 Resident: Oh, no, I have had 4 or 5 before this. Good thing I believe in reincarnation. :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good heavens
Agatha Macbeth: I wish I'd found SL a long time ago
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Think I came about three years too late
Agatha Macbeth: I would particularly loved to have been in at the beginning of PaB
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: those were good days
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Wol Euler: but the thing is: we didn't know they were :)
Wol Euler: they were just days, yawn
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
DR42 Resident: Not sure, many places have teething pains, and coming here late, most of those are gone.
Wol Euler: one doesn't often know at the time that one's experiences will be valuable later
Agatha Macbeth: So true that
DR42 Resident: But, oth, there is so much history new people have no clue about, like, what exactly is Wol's project?
Wol Euler: O.O
Wol Euler: even wol doesn't know that!
Agatha Macbeth grins
Agatha Macbeth: Wollie is an architect in RL
Wol Euler nods.
DR42 Resident: Ah, so I assume the drawings you were referring to were concepts?
Zen Arado: 's current display-name is "Zen".
Agatha Macbeth: Makes me think of the kabbalah, moving from the idea to the material creation
Wol Euler: hello zen
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zenny
Wol Euler: if I talked about drawings, then it was almost certainly RL work, riffraff
Zen Arado: Hi Aggers, Wol Riff
Wol Euler: I don't do art or architecture in SL
DR42 Resident: ηαмαѕтє Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Acually good point
--BELL--1345
Agatha Macbeth: Are there such things as SL archies?
DR42 Resident: Oh, yes
Wol Euler: definitely
Wol Euler: but don't ask for examples, I don't have any names in my head at the moment
Agatha Macbeth: I know of lots of builders but so much designers
DR42 Resident: Well, there are the people who designed all of the Nautilus Regions.
Agatha Macbeth: Nautilus?
Zen Arado: designers are usually builders as well in second life though?
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno Zen
Zen Arado: I can't imagine anyone drawing up plans and then getting someone else to build something in Second Life
DR42 Resident: About 4 or 5 years ago, LL opened up a bunch of regions like a "gated community" with a common design common to 20 or 30 Regions.
Agatha Macbeth: Well I would have to! :p
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I see
Zen Arado: but if you could design it you could also build it in Second Life I think?
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds interesting
Zen Arado: I suppose you could buy a ready built houses and things
DR42 Resident: I cannot design, but given a plan, I can certainly build and script. They are different skills.
Agatha Macbeth: Something I've never really got into
Zen Arado: hmm yes maybe you are right
Zen Arado: I never know what to build
Zen Arado: and my houses are just big boxes
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Your place at Buyeo is nice Zen
Zen Arado: but what kind of a plan could you provide for someone in Second Life?
Zen Arado: I don't even know how they do that in real life nowadays
DR42 Resident: A drawing with dimensions and textures.
Zen Arado: do they still give drawings to builders?
Zen Arado: Or is it all done on computers?
Agatha Macbeth: Wol would know :)
Zen Arado: Well if she doesn't none of us do :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Wol Euler: builders need paper, yes
Wol Euler: because in the very early days at least there is no electricity
Zen Arado: was visualising bricklayers with laptops :-)
Wol Euler: and building sites are too dirty for computers
Wol Euler: they'd clog up almost instantly from the dust
Agatha Macbeth: 'I must keep my laptop clean'
Zen Arado: yes I can see that
Zen Arado: the fan would blow the dust into the computer
Zen Arado: cement dust wouldn't be too good inside a laptop
DR42 Resident: I hired an architect when I built an addition to my house. They understood the strength of materials, so knew how to size things like beams, and how thick various concrete forms. And, what building codes applied.
Zen Arado: yes that is their job
Agatha Macbeth: Reminds me of that film with Cary Grant
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: North by Northwest?
Agatha Macbeth: Nah
Zen Arado: That's the only one I could think of
Agatha Macbeth: The one where he builds his dream house
Agatha Macbeth: And things keep going wrong (surprise)
Zen Arado: I remember a guy in a crop dusting plane trying to kill him
Agatha Macbeth: That was NBNW
Zen Arado: sorry I'm getting off track
DR42 Resident: There is a track?
Agatha Macbeth wonders if we were ever on track
Zen Arado: :-)
Zen Arado: and he makes silly bids in an auction house
Zen Arado: great film that
Agatha Macbeth: In the nude?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, no
Zen Arado: no it was just a delaying tactic
Agatha Macbeth: That was Paul Newman
Zen Arado: to create attention
Zen Arado: I guess the strength of materials doesn't matter too much in Second Life
Zen Arado: remembers Young's modulus
Agatha Macbeth: No hurricanes or earthquakes anyway
Zen Arado: stress/strain?
DR42 Resident: I'm listening to lectures from "The Center for Mind, Brain, and Culture"
--BELL--1400
Zen Arado: That's about the extent of my materials science knowledge
Zen Arado: are they good?
Agatha Macbeth: Could you rb please Zenny? You're mostly grey to me
DR42 Resident: I think so. I have found a ton of interesting material on iTunes U.
Zen Arado: I can't remember how to do that
Wol Euler: ctrl-alt-r
Agatha Macbeth: Ctrl-Alt-R
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Zen Arado: I look okay to me
Agatha Macbeth: I'll be glad when they get this SSB done
Zen Arado: I never see grey people now
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, better TY
Zen Arado: it must be your connection Aggers
DR42 Resident: http://deimos3.apple.com/WebObjects/...2.013386180264
Zen Arado: the new version of the Linden lab's pure is supposed to stop that
Agatha Macbeth: It's always slow round here
Zen Arado: viewer not pure
Agatha Macbeth: A pure viewer?
Zen Arado: I never realised viewer sounds like pure
DR42 Resident: Epistemic Vigilance, Reasoning, and Religion is the current one I am listening to.
Zen Arado: :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: You computer evidently thinks so!
Zen Arado: I can't seem to get interested in philosophy and stuff like that any more
Zen Arado: just seems like endless spinning of ideas that never get anywhere
Wol Euler: sounds fascinating, riffraff
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe cos it has no answers
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Zen Arado: but hmm that's just me I guess
DR42 Resident: It should lower the networkload and the power of the CPU / GPU needed. SL viewers have been getting fat and taking much more computer to run than the old ones.
Zen Arado: I have become very anti-book lately
Wol Euler: why is that, zen? can you identify the cause?
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Maude
Zen Arado: probably a lot of courses
Zen Arado: causes
Zen Arado: which I am totally unaware of
Agatha Macbeth: Teach that computer to spell :p
Zen Arado: I should teach myself to speak
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: pronounce my words more carefully
Agatha Macbeth: Nah, you're fine
Zen Arado: it really shows up any little slurred speech
Agatha Macbeth: Good job you're not a geordie
Zen Arado: I suppose it should improve one's diction over a time
DR42 Resident: The next lecture in the series is "What Does the Brain Have to Do with Sex and Gender"
Wol Euler: yes, that one caught my eye too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if it has anything to do with them?
Zen Arado: they say the brain is biggest sexual organ
Zen Arado: or something like that
Agatha Macbeth: Not in the case of some men...:p
DR42 Resident: Men have brains? :D
Zen Arado: how do you know that Aggers?
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'm observant ;-)
Wol Euler grins.
Zen Arado: we have brains we just don't like using them :-)
Zen Arado: we prefer to use other bits
Wol Euler: it's certainly true that many people of both genders and sexes seem not to be overburdened with barin
Wol Euler: *brain
Agatha Macbeth smiles at 'other bits'
Agatha Macbeth: Barin sounds like a drug
Agatha Macbeth: Or a russian philosopher
Zen Arado: yes or a measure of atmospheric pressure
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Zen Arado: no that's a bar
Agatha Macbeth: Propping up the bar
Zen Arado: bar must have something to do with pressure anyway because it is in barometer
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, unit of pressure
Zen Arado: roughly equivalent to atmospheric pressure
Zen Arado: I used to teach that stuff
Wol Euler smiles.
Zen Arado: 14.5 psi
Agatha Macbeth: I know what all those funny sounding things in the shipping forecast mean, isn't that amazing?
DR42 Resident: Some research has pointed to the gender being selected at about 3 or 4 months after conception, and sometimes the brain gets a different message than the rest of the body.
Zen Arado: if I remember correctly
Zen Arado: selected by what ? Riffraff
Agatha Macbeth: Will have to look at that Maude
Zen Arado: where is Maude?
DR42 Resident: Or, you could say that atmospheric pressure is 1 bar.
Agatha Macbeth: Maude = Riff
Wol Euler: she's in disguise
Zen Arado: ah ok
Zen Arado: the Maude /Riff equation
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
--BELL--1415
Agatha Macbeth: I much preferred the old way when everyone had one name and kept to it
DR42 Resident thinks that Maude >> Riff
Zen Arado: 1013 mBars if I remember correctly
Zen Arado: digging deep into memory
Agatha Macbeth: What is?
Zen Arado: atmospheric pressure at sea level
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Zen Arado: an average value
Agatha Macbeth: Should it not be 0?
Agatha Macbeth: Makes more sense
DR42 Resident: 0 would be a pure vaccume
Zen Arado: no because of the weight of air above us
Agatha Macbeth: Not like centigrade then
Zen Arado: air isn't heavy but there is a miler to of it pressing down on us
Wol Euler: 0 is the edge of outer space
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it would be I guess
Agatha Macbeth: Works the other way
Zen Arado: it's the same reason that the pressure goes up when you go deep into the ocean
Zen Arado: because of the weight of the water above you
Agatha Macbeth: Oh wow, right
Agatha Macbeth: Imagine what the bottom of the oceans must be like
Zen Arado: it goes down about six miles in some places too
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Things still manage to live down there tho
DR42 Resident: 10,970 meters deep
Zen Arado: there was a good programme about fracking on British TV last night
Agatha Macbeth: Like angler fish
Zen Arado: Prof Iain Stewart
Agatha Macbeth: Good scottish name
Zen Arado: I didn't realise they do it so much in America
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Agatha Macbeth: Do what?
Zen Arado: they showed you a place where the water had become contaminated with methane
Zen Arado: Fracking
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Zen Arado: getting gas from shale rock
Agatha Macbeth: Ah yes, Pila was on about it
Zen Arado: by fracturing it with high-pressure water
Agatha Macbeth: And Brucie
Zen Arado: hence the name
Agatha Macbeth: Yah
DR42 Resident: Many people are fighting it. Getting laws passed making it illegal.
Agatha Macbeth: Good
Zen Arado: they were able to set their drinking water on fire in some places because there was so much methane in it
Zen Arado: they are going to do it in Britain as well
Agatha Macbeth: Holy crap
Agatha Macbeth: What happens if you drink it?
Zen Arado: some people refuse to drink it because they have become ill
Agatha Macbeth: I'm not surprised
Zen Arado: in some places in America and they blame fracking
Zen Arado: the groundwater becomes contaminated
Agatha Macbeth: Pila was talking about geothermal stuff in Hawaii too
Zen Arado: but they say it is just poor operation not the nature of the fracturing itself
Zen Arado: they had an earthquake in Blackpool that they blamed on test drilling
Wol Euler: sounds like corporate apologist bullshit to me, m'dear
DR42 Resident: And the BP oil spill was poor operation as well.
Wol Euler: exactly
Agatha Macbeth: It doubtless is Wollie
Zen Arado: I'm only saying what the experts were saying in the program
Zen Arado: and they keep the lubricant secret
Wol Euler: understood, zen, not blaming you :)
Agatha Macbeth: Money is everything it seems >.<
Zen Arado: a lubricant they put into the water to make the drills work better
DR42 Resident wonders how many opinions of "Experts" were bought and paid for.
Agatha Macbeth: True that
Agatha Macbeth: Vested interests
Zen Arado: guy who did the programme is pretty unbiased I think
Zen Arado: he is a geologist
Zen Arado: it's not just the oil companies the general public want petrol and gas for their heating and cars
DR42 Resident: Time for me to go get a few errands dealt with.
Agatha Macbeth: Well it's gonna run out some day
Zen Arado: if the politicians don't give them what they want they will soon be out of office
DR42 Resident: Have a wonderful time.
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Maude
Zen Arado: byee Riffraff
Agatha Macbeth: (nice basque)
Wol Euler: bye riffraff
Zen Arado: I think we will be totally out of oil and gas before they ever get anyone to really look at alternatives in a big way
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: which seems incredibly bad business sense to me
Agatha Macbeth: Surely that should be a priority
Wol Euler: surely the smart move is to get the technology now and be ready to exploit it
Agatha Macbeth: At PP tomorrow Zen?
Zen Arado: just selfish human nature I guess
Zen Arado: yep
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Agatha Macbeth: See you there
Zen Arado: hope you can come :)
Zen Arado: byee
Wol Euler: and short-.sighted
Wol Euler: I'll be here :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I will!

Agatha Macbeth: Anyway
Agatha Macbeth: Early night tonight?
--BELL--1430

Guess who turns up just as everyone leaves?

Agatha Macbeth: Hello K...great timing again :p
Korel Laloix: I know... smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Korel Laloix: Just showing up to give you an escape.
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: You really are the new Boxy
Korel Laloix: lol.. have not seen him in a while.
Wol Euler nods sadly
Agatha Macbeth: No one has it seems :(
Agatha Macbeth: How are things?
Korel Laloix: People come and go... one of the thigns that fascinates me about SL.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Agatha Macbeth: And some you don't see for ages suddenly reappear
Korel Laloix: And I have taken breaks in SL where I did not log on for months.
Agatha Macbeth: Well you have been here a long time
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I haven't really had time to stay away yet!
Korel Laloix: And I have friends in here that seem to log on for about one month per year with a new AV each time.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but do you know it's them?
Korel Laloix: Well, lol.. as much as you can tell in here.
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Agatha Macbeth: So many avs, so little time
Korel Laloix: After going to a Sl convention I gave up the effort of trying to really figure out what people are really like.
Wol Euler chuckles.
Agatha Macbeth grins
Korel Laloix: Nobody was anthing like I exepcted that i met that I knew in world.
Wol Euler wonders what "really" means
Agatha Macbeth: Was that a RL thing?
Korel Laloix: True.. but if you can go to a SL convetinon, I would highly recomend it.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Korel Laloix: yes.. the one i went to was down in Florida.
Agatha Macbeth is confused again
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Wol Euler: I'd love to, if hter were ever one reasonably close to where I am
Agatha Macbeth: The peril of mixing RL and SL I guess
Wol Euler: or if I win the lottery
Korel Laloix: I used to mix Sl and RL quite a bit..... not so much now though.
Agatha Macbeth: Lottery will get you nowhere
Korel Laloix: Was really pretty stupid about it though.
Wol Euler: true
Agatha Macbeth: Stupid?
Agatha Macbeth: How so?
Korel Laloix: Letting people know too much about me allowing them to track me down.
Wol Euler: ah
Agatha Macbeth: Oh I see
Korel Laloix: Or meeting people in RL without really thinking of safety.
Korel Laloix: Things that are obvious now to me.
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Anyway, I should be gettin along
Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, take care
Korel Laloix: Take care.. thanks for the chat.
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you K, albeit briefly
Korel Laloix smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Try coming earlier
Agatha Macbeth: If you can manage it of course
Korel Laloix: Rare I am at home this time of day anyway.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: and you don't log on from work any more
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Sad that
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Korel Laloix: No, that was such a great job, but I was so stagnant there.
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Korel Laloix: i still do some things for them though.. a few hours a month.
Wol Euler nods.
Korel Laloix: But not during regular work house.. hosting things for them or shopping and some email sorting.
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Agatha Macbeth: OK girls, take care
Agatha Macbeth waves
Wol Euler: you too, aggers
Wol Euler: I should go too, it's nearly midnight
Wol Euler: nice to see you again, korel
Korel Laloix smiles
Wol Euler: I'm not going to wish you insomnia, that you should appear at 1am :)
Korel Laloix: Oh yes.. take care.
Wol Euler grins.
Korel Laloix: have a great night... thanks for the chat.
Wol Euler: my pleasure, thank you
Wol Euler: and see you anon