2008.11.15 07:00 - Inner and Outer

Pia Iger was guardian and prepared this log.

First, meet 3 Europeans there. Moon was a teddy bear. Then Adams came.

Wol Euler: hello pia, gaya, moon
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Pia Iger: Hi, Euros..
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: mornin', dollar :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^_^
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Wol Euler smiles at moon
Pia Iger: haha, moon just lay down.
Moon Fargis: zzZzZZzz
Wol Euler: it's a hard life being a bear.
Gaya Ethaniel: In need of... candy I think
Faenik: indeed?
Wol Euler: hello adams, nice to see you again
Pia Iger: Hi, Adams!
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Adams Rubble: Hello Pia, Moon, Gaya and Wol :)
Faenik: indeed?
Pia Iger: now, 2 dollar + 3 euro
Wol Euler: nice new hair, adams. quite a change of style.
Gaya Ethaniel claps. Yay, we won!
Adams Rubble: Thank you Wol, having to keep up with Dubrovna
Wol Euler: we could exchange ourselves for L$1782 :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Adams Rubble: ?
Wol Euler: [7:11] Pia Iger: now, 2 dollar + 3 euro
Adams Rubble: Ah
Moon Fargis: hmm you exchange yourself ?
Wol Euler: though to be accurate Gaya is a £ not a euro.
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^ well

Invite some topic?

Pia Iger: Is there someone who can't wait to talk about their 9sec experience?
Adams Rubble: hehe
Wol Euler: (moon fainted at the question=
Pia Iger: haha
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Adams Rubble: :)
Pia Iger: Adams?
Gaya Ethaniel: ah... ^^
Adams Rubble: I have been fairly quiet this week. Last night I was pondering the harmony between the inner and the outer and how the 9-seconds helps connect the two
Pia Iger: while you were sleepless?
Adams Rubble: I have been sleeping a little better the past few nights. Not sure if it is temporary or I am slowly sliding back to a normal state
Wol Euler: in either case, good! I'm glad to hear it.
Pia Iger: that is nice
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Faenik: why not?
Pia Iger: help me understand "the inner and the outer"? what are they?
Wol Euler: hello gen
Adams Rubble: I have been thinking along the lines of what we are beginning to understand here and our real lives
Adams Rubble: Hello gen :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
genesis Zhangsun: Hi Adams!
genesis Zhangsun: Hey All
Adams Rubble: Some of us have talked about trying to bring changes to RL
Pia Iger: _/!\_
genesis Zhangsun: that sounds intriguing
genesis Zhangsun: how?
Adams Rubble: I am beginning to see the harmony in that our various systems are working together
Adams Rubble: Without it we can not change our RL
Adams Rubble: The nine seconds may be a bridge for me
Adams Rubble: stopping and remembering
Pia Iger: what do you need to remember?
Faenik: why not?
Adams Rubble: For me I get wrapped up in stuff and need to remember there is a different way to look at it (just one facet)
Wol Euler nods.
Adams Rubble: It is hard for me to explain but I find I can get a big boost of mental energy by stopping regularly
Adams Rubble: I focus better on the things I am doing
genesis Zhangsun: by bringing changes into RL do you mean integrating this practice and insights into your RL life?

Moon the teddy bear jumpped into the fountain water.

Gaya Ethaniel: Moon you'd catch cold, take care
Moon Fargis: just floating :)
genesis Zhangsun: hehe
Adams Rubble: Yes Gen but I think I am slowly realizing that it is just not a matter of deciding to do it
genesis Zhangsun: :)
Adams Rubble: Maybe it is the not doing part :)
Faenik giggles. that tickles.
Gaya Ethaniel hands Moon a warm towel
genesis Zhangsun: but this realization occurred to you recently?
genesis Zhangsun: as a passing thought or recurring theme?
Adams Rubble: I began to see it differently last night
Adams Rubble: That any changes in RL were part of the harmony
Wol Euler chuckles at Moon. Towels are not candy....
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
genesis Zhangsun: do you mind saying something about what those changes are? or can you say?
Adams Rubble: When I started here one of my goals was to live a better life, to be more compassionate (hoping not to sound TOO pompous)
Moon Fargis listens
Wol Euler: :)
Faenik: could be
Adams Rubble: And it seems it has been one of the things lagging behind
Adams Rubble: and I have heard others say something similar
genesis Zhangsun: what is your notion of a "compassionate" person?
Moon Fargis: you seem to lag behind to be compassionate?
genesis Zhangsun: I think you aren't doing so bad :)
Faenik: why not?
Wol Euler agrees :)
Adams Rubble: Well, if I was followed around all day

Moon rezzed a Christmas tree which plays music.

Gaya Ethaniel smiles at the Christmas tree Moon is putting up
Adams Rubble: I have my moments :)
genesis Zhangsun: damn gets earlier each year doesn't it ;)
Moon Fargis: ^^ have to add something to it until i sell it :)
Object: Hello, Avatar!
Wol Euler: well, if any of us were followed around all day. :-|
Adams Rubble: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Wol Euler: we're here, and we do the best we can. You trip and fall, so you rub the dirt off your nose and continue.
genesis Zhangsun: so you see some hints of a more compassionate person coming through now?
Adams Rubble: My thought was not all that deep to begin with unfortunately but I do see any changes in RL as being part of the harmony in ourselves
Adams Rubble: rather than we just deciding to do it
genesis Zhangsun: yes I agree that it isn't just about deciding
genesis Zhangsun: we clean the window so the light shines through more clearly
genesis Zhangsun: we don't just turn up the "on" button to make it brighter
genesis Zhangsun: its always there ready to come through
genesis Zhangsun: we are not the ones to decide whether it is "there"
genesis Zhangsun: but we can help...open the window...makes sure too much dust doesn't collect
genesis Zhangsun: well anyway just some thoughts
genesis Zhangsun: :)
Adams Rubble: Yes, gen. That is another aspect
Gaya Ethaniel ponders... compassion
Wol Euler: adams, I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying that deciding doesn't make it happen? that happening requires that your inner state be in readiness for it?
genesis Zhangsun: what is the "other" aspect
genesis Zhangsun: or an "another" aspect
Adams Rubble: Gen, the being helped
Adams Rubble: Wol, give me a sec
Faenik: なるほど^^
Wol Euler smiles
Moon Fargis: brb
Adams Rubble: Wol, we can't force it. It is our outer state that must be in harmony with our inner state for it to happen is what I am trying to say. Whether that is correct or not is another matter. That was my thought
Moon Fargis: rehi :)
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
genesis Zhangsun: outer state v. inner state can you expand?
genesis Zhangsun: who you are inside Adams is different from how Adams appears on the outside
genesis Zhangsun: ?
Adams Rubble didn't mean to throw in the word "state". Please withdraw that
Wol Euler: (actually that may have been mine, sorry)
Adams Rubble: I know there is an inner mind working
Chistmas star: Playing music
Adams Rubble: and on the outside my body
Adams Rubble: and the "self" is somewhere there probably more on the outer
Adams Rubble: I know my wakefulness has been about the lack of harmony
Adams Rubble: I am only discovering that it is more than the mind
Gaya Ethaniel tilts her head... 'outer', characteristics visible to other people?
Adams Rubble: that it is letting the body systems catch up to the changes
Adams Rubble: does that make any sense at all?
Gaya Ethaniel: other people and oneself*?
Faenik: なるほど^^
Adams Rubble: Oh Gaya, I missed your first comment
Pia Iger: I think it makes very good sense.
Adams Rubble: Probably, I don't know
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm still not sure of this distinction between inner and outer... sorry
Adams Rubble: It is something I feel Gaya
Wol Euler considers and nods slowly.
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Faenik: indeed?

Moon moved to Adams. He wants to help out, too.

Adams Rubble goves Moon a hug
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
Moon Fargis: what do you think .. adams... is there a inner and outer?
Adams Rubble: I feel myself starting to come together I think
Moon Fargis: hmm maybe the only one who separates is your mind
Adams Rubble: I really feel it has been more than my mind keeping me awake for the last month
Moon Fargis: ahh but keeping you awake means that your thought can be restless
Wol Euler: or is it maybe like the overlapping parts of a Venn diagram? the coming together that you feel is the area of overlapping of the different bits becoming larger.
Adams Rubble: I have been watching my thoughts and they have been mostly calm
Wol Euler: no longer so separated, more in common with yourself
Adams Rubble: It has seemed to be my body which has been keeping me awake
Moon Fargis: ahyes okay, you know... there are layers of thought, responsible to dream or for a good sleep
Moon Fargis: ahh yes maybe something that is not produced
Moon Fargis: but .. maybe you just got a lack of enough... candy
Adams Rubble: A few nights I noticed some activate either very small or very distant in my peripheral vision. When I tried to look at it, it disappeared and has;t returned
Gaya Ethaniel: ^^
Adams Rubble: Wow Moon
Gaya Ethaniel raises her hand, "May I ask a question?"
Moon Fargis: ah you know there comes a state, in meditation when you lower the noise of your thoughts
Moon Fargis: ahh sure gaya
Adams Rubble: Sorry Gaya, yes
Gaya Ethaniel: (after this thread btw ^^)
Moon Fargis: it can be possible you also lowered, or forced the lowering of the silent background thoughts who are responsible for you to dream
Moon Fargis: confuse thoughts btw
Moon Fargis: not easy to hear or to notice
Faenik: ah :)
Moon Fargis: but thats just a possibility.. so much things can happen to cause sleepless nights
Adams Rubble: This has been a new experience for me. usually sleeplessness is accompanied by stress

Finally Gaya could ask her question. Well, I will leave the answer to all readers...

Gaya Ethaniel: So perhaps I ask the question now as I hear the hourly bell
Adams Rubble: yes please, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: For all of us here really, what do you want in life (in one sentence if possible)?
Wol Euler: o.O
Gaya Ethaniel nods... a tough question?
Wol Euler: the A and O of tough questions...