2008.11.28 07:00 - The mysterious 12 and 21

When I (quen)  entered the pavillion Fael was there. Looking like this:

You: hi Fael!
You: you look impressive today
Fael Illyar: Ah, hi Quen :)
Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you.'
Fael Illyar: somehow felt like using my flashiest outfit recently.
You: mmm you felt in a flashy mood as it is the darkest season of the year perhaps?
Fael Illyar: possibly :)
You: it radiates
Fael Illyar: it does look like wintertime does have kind of dampening effect.
Fael Illyar: oh, phonecall
You: yes, ah ok take your time

Moon enters.

You: hello Moon!
Fael Illyar: I don't look that good, do I? :)
Fael Illyar: Hi Moon :)
You: can I place a snapshot on the lag Fael! on the contrary I think you look brilliant
Moon Fargis: greetngs
Fael Illyar: IF you wish :)
You: :-) of course
Moon Fargis: ahh fael you changed
You: how are you Moon?
You: she looks nice and flashy not?
Moon Fargis: im fine :)
Moon Fargis: and you ?
You: me too
You: though I don
Moon Fargis: you flashy fael :)
You: t like the short days..
Fael Illyar is a bit flashy sometimes :P
Fael Illyar: but this is the outfit for which I designed this shape for :P
Fael Illyar: a few months ago :)
You: wow you designed the shape yourself?
Fael Illyar: yes :)
Fael Illyar: body shape that is

And Pema joins too.

Fael Illyar: Hi Pema :)
You: I see
You: hi Pema!
You: how is your day?
Fael Illyar: not the outfit in case you were thinking that :)
You: ;-) I do like the outfit
Pema Pera: Hi Fael, Quen, Moon!
Moon Fargis: hi pema!
You: how nice all our first names are 4 characters
Pema Pera: :-)
You: and we are four
Pema Pera: :)
You: and its 16.16 here
Pema Pera: Few people realize how inconvenient long first names are, when they first get into SL and have to choose an avatar name . . . .
You: gosh
Pema Pera: hehehe
You: indeed! exactly my though
Pema Pera: Quen the numerologist!
You: picked the most efficient last name available
You: and went for short
You: lol
Pema Pera: oh!
You: I have some freakish thing with numbers
You: lol Oh!!
Pema Pera: :)
Moon Fargis: quen, know something about the numbers 12 and 21 ?
Fael Illyar: I don't know how I picked mine. I just spent an hour pondering about different names and looking for surnames that felt like they match
Fael Illyar: yes, if you add them together, you get 33 :P
You: well don't know what you mean, Moon?
You: lol
You: indeed
Pema Pera: we all know something . . .

Kitanas Raviprakash visits.

You: 3x4 and 3x7, and 3x3 between them...
You: hello Kitanas
Pema Pera: Hi Kitanas!
You: nice to meet you
Kitanas Raviprakash: hey there
Pema Pera: Come join us if you like
Fael Illyar: Hello Kitanas
Moon Fargis: quen: ah dunno just let you ponder a bit over these
Moon Fargis: hi kitanas
Kitanas Raviprakash: hello
Pema Pera: Have you been here before, Kitanas?
Kitanas Raviprakash: once, yes
You: nice to see you back then!
Kitanas Raviprakash: I wondered over from the next place over :)
Kitanas Raviprakash: what are you talking about?
Pema Pera: ah, no need for an introduction then :)
Fael Illyar: talking about numbers 12 and 21.
Pema Pera: hahaha
Fael Illyar: Well, so far the only thing we got is that they make 33 :P
Kitanas Raviprakash: huh ... interesting
Pema Pera: normally we talk more about how to view the world and ourselves . . . .
Pema Pera: . . . . appreciating what appears as it appears
Kitanas Raviprakash: I like that too ...
Pema Pera: does that make some sense?
Kitanas Raviprakash: well, aer you appraching it as numeralgy?
Moon Fargis: well we play as being :)
Pema Pera: oh no, we were just being silly
Kitanas Raviprakash: I understand that
Pema Pera: we = Moon, as usual
Kitanas Raviprakash: :) silly's good
Pema Pera understands more why "lunatic" is connected with the word "moon"
Kitanas Raviprakash: LOL
Fael Illyar grins.
Moon Fargis: im not silly!
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: you're good!
Pema Pera: according to Kitanas
Kitanas Raviprakash: silly is a good thing. Much better than being serious all the time

Moon changes his serious ava into a small cuddly bear.

You: lol
Pema Pera: yeah, that's the Play in Play as Being, the name of our group
You: Moon you are cute
Pema Pera: Being is a wee bit harder to explain :)
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
quen Oh pets Moon
Moon Fargis gave you lolipop 1.3 big(wear).
Kitanas Raviprakash: being is having to know yourself first, shed off all the things other people put on you to be ... no expectations, no assumptions (by what I've experienced)
You: lol thank you...
Pema Pera: yes!!
You: why not have a lollipop to go with my RL tea
Kitanas Raviprakash: sometimes a hard thing to do though
Pema Pera: Have you had a chance to look at our web site, Kitanas? http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Kitanas Raviprakash: eep
Kitanas Raviprakash: hehe
Pema Pera: yes, it seems hard
Pema Pera: but in fact is easier than easy . . . .
Pema Pera: nothing to reach for
Kitanas Raviprakash: mmm thank you ... lollipop
Kitanas Raviprakash: true. I had a nice duration of about 3 months of living that way once ... trying to get there again amongst all the chaos
Pema Pera: how did you fall into that, at that time?
Kitanas Raviprakash: cleaned the slate one could say .. had time for myself to relax.
Moon Fargis: ahh thats good
Kitanas Raviprakash: Now I don't have much time for self even after a 9 day work day
Moon Fargis: but
Moon Fargis: maybe 9 secs :)
quen Oh is sorry to hear that
Kitanas Raviprakash: well thing is, I forgot hwo to be "here/now" lol
Moon Fargis: is it important ?
Moon Fargis: to always know ?
Kitanas Raviprakash: yep, being here, now means being where you are at this time ... past is done, future will take care of tiself
Fael Illyar: important? not really, just more comfortable :)
Moon Fargis: and now try to forget the terms present past and future
Moon Fargis: is it still important ?
Kitanas Raviprakash: being here now is to be Self in the present
Pema Pera: what we try to do is to stop for 9 seconds roughly every 15 minutes -- have you tried that perhaps?
Fael Illyar: past, present and future are all imagination.
Kitanas Raviprakash: I found that I had more control over things and much less frustration when I practiced "here/now"
Kitanas Raviprakash: what it means is .. here = all places are here, now = all times are now. If that makes sense
Pema Pera: yes!
Fael Illyar: See the stories as what they are, stories and it'll be no problem.
Pema Pera: very much so
Moon Fargis: ahhh now i understand what you mean
Kitanas Raviprakash: *smile*
Moon Fargis: where are you now ?
Kitanas Raviprakash: um ... floating over a pillow for some reason
Kitanas Raviprakash: must be the rez thing
Moon Fargis: ^^
Moon Fargis: /mee giggles "i see what you dont see" and turns around
Kitanas Raviprakash: or a teddy bear with powers to uplift people
Pema Pera: back to normal :-)
Kitanas Raviprakash: what about yourselves
Moon Fargis: hmm normal
Kitanas Raviprakash: *no such thing*
Moon Fargis: we are not normmal :)
Moon Fargis: and thats good :)
You: strong bear
Kitanas Raviprakash: true ... people are so unaware of the things around them that don't clink, beep, or do things for them
You: I am normal
You: ;-)
Pema Pera: may I ask, Kitanas, how did you realize that space and time do not impose separation, that all is here and now?
Fael Illyar: what's "normal"?
Moon Fargis: quen: prove it!:)
You: at least in my perspective I got used to me
Pema Pera: :)
You: well other people are thinking and seeing different than normal ;-)
Kitanas Raviprakash: I've always had a sense of it, but it didn't become realized until I met a wiccan priest who taught me things before I moved on to other things
You: they live in another normal
You: but the opposite is true too, my normal is absurd
Moon Fargis: maybe its normal... not to be normal
Pema Pera: That's great, Kitanas, to experience that -- yes, once you see that, it can help you for the rest of your life
Kitanas Raviprakash: I learned about "slowing" ... where, if you focus on the moment and take your time with it, everything else falls into place. Something else I need to make into a habit again
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Pema Pera: ah, here we talk about stopping, another way to point that out
Pema Pera: did you read about our approach to stopping?
You: interesting Kitanas
Moon Fargis will never stop stealing pemas scissors
Pema Pera: ??
Moon Fargis: *giggles*

Stevenaia visits us too.

Moon Fargis: ahh was it shears
quen Oh looks at Moon: now don't even think of cutting Pema's hair with them
Kitanas Raviprakash: not yet, Pema. Again, not much time ... *rolls eyes* and where do I find your literature?
You: hello stevenaia
Moon Fargis: ohh literature
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Moon Fargis: hi steve
Kitanas Raviprakash: thanks
Moon Fargis: here you got a LM of the pab library
Fael Illyar: Hi Steve :)
Moon Fargis: but you also can have a look at the pab wiki
Moon Fargis: http://playasbeing.wik.is/
Pema Pera: our basic practice is very simple
Pema Pera: in RL we stop for 9 seconds
Pema Pera: once every 15 minutes
Pema Pera: if you do that a few hours a day
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Fael, Moon, Pema, quen
Pema Pera: it takes only the time it takes to brush your teeth, in total
You: hi steve!
Pema Pera: can't say you don't have time to do that :-)
Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
Pema Pera: So that is how we learn to stop/slow down -- trading duration for frequency of practice
You: the only problem can be to remember it, or to it when you are not alone
Kitanas Raviprakash: sorry, interruption
You: during lectures not a good idea
Pema Pera: oh, you can do it during lectures
Pema Pera: don't stop the talking
Pema Pera: but stop the identification with being a talker
You: really?
Pema Pera: try it, you'll like it!
You: amazing
Pema Pera: yes, a more subtle stopping
stevenaia Michinaga: lol
You: what is that like Pema?
Pema Pera: try it!
Pema Pera: you tell me :-)
Pema Pera: then we can compare notes
You: I ask you ;-)
Pema Pera: I can *try* to say it but it will be hard to get the meaning
Pema Pera: it is like
Pema Pera: hmmm
Pema Pera: feeling much lighter, freeer
You: well I can see whether or not I recognise it
Pema Pera: opener
Pema Pera: less tied done to a role
Pema Pera: but really, the point is to explore it for yourself
You: ah ok
You: well I have sometime very spontaneous these reactions
Pema Pera: there are soooo many degrees of freedom that we never explore!
Pema Pera: yes, Quen
You: that is more like I am watching myself from a SL point of view though
Pema Pera: they happen all the time, . . . but we forget
You: it's terrible how much we forget
Pema Pera: real insight, seeing, does not fit in our memory categories . . .
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Kitanas Raviprakash: on the wiki, I see your meeting times. I'm going to have to go ... but would like to take advantage of meeting up again soon.
Pema Pera: any time, Kitanas!
Pema Pera: Nice to meet you
Fael Illyar: See you later Kitanas :)
Kitanas Raviprakash: omg, that's so cute ...
You: bye Kitanas
Kitanas Raviprakash: lol
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Kitanas
Fael Illyar scratches Moon behind the ears.
Kitanas Raviprakash: be well all
Moon Fargis purrzzzzzzzzz
Pema Pera: you too Kitanas

Kitanas leaves. Fael is now petting the cuddly bear.

Moon Fargis: ahh fael
Moon Fargis: btw
Moon Fargis: do you know wich lsl command isused for changing the color of a object ?
Fael Illyar: yes, llSetColor
You: gosh you are now both radiating Moon and Fael
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar ponders, does it really have to do with the outfit?
Moon Fargis: good radiation dont worry

Motion, turning nice pirouettes.

Pema Pera: Hi Motion!
Motion Ort: hi pema
You: I am sure Moon
You: hi Motion! nice performance
Motion Ort: performance?
Pema Pera: Welcome, and join us if you like!
Fael Illyar: Hi Motion
Motion Ort: hi fael
Fael Illyar: when you teleport when in a poseball, everyone else, except you will see you still moving as if you were still in the poseball
Motion Ort: i'm confused but ok :)
Fael Illyar: Well mostly, looked like you were dancing :)
Fael Illyar: until you sat down
Motion Ort: lol i haven't been dancing all day today... strange...
Pema Pera: have you been here before, Motion?
Motion Ort: no.... i was just exploring
Pema Pera: let me tell you about our group in IM, then the others can continue their conversation
Motion Ort: ok
You: well I witnessed nice pirouettes
You: so Moon...
You: about 12 and 21??
stevenaia Michinaga: Unfortunately I must go now, see you soon
Fael Illyar: See you later Steve :)
You: bye stevenaia

Stevenaia left.

Pema Pera: have you been exploring many places in SL so far, Motion?
Motion Ort: a few... although i'm having bad luck today finding fun places...
Pema Pera wonders how this will stimulate Moon, to make our group more fun . . . .
Motion Ort: i did go ice skating earlier.... but everything since then... has been very uncomfortable...
Pema Pera: yeah, there is a lot in SL . . . . this seems like a comfortable group :-)
Motion Ort: now that i think about it... i never did "stop" ice skating before i teleported away from there... thats probably what you saw when i tp in
Pema Pera: yes, looked like ballet :)
You: you like motion Motion? iceskating, dancing?
You: there should be a rollercoaster in SL I heard
Motion Ort: yes... i like the flow...
Pema Pera: (I have to take off, good seeing you all !)
You: ah that explains
You: bye Pema!
Motion Ort: bye pema... nice to meet you
Pema Pera: by everybody!
Pema Pera: Nice meeting you, Motion

Pema had to go, and though still very very curious about the 12 and 21, I have to leave too.

You: gosh it's also time for me to leave... time flies here..
You: very nice to meet you Motion, hope to see you more often here!
Fael Illyar: See you later Quen :)
Motion Ort: thank you quen... you too :)
You: and hope to be told by Moon sometime the 12 and 21 mystery...
You: bye Motion, Fael and Moon
Moon Fargis: ok :)