2009.05.26 07:00 - Confusing Presence Cubed

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

I really like when a pun turns into a perfect title for this session.

Riddle Sideways: Good Morning
Fortune Crystal: Good morning Riddle
Riddle Sideways: how are you this fine day

Fortune Crystal: I am calm and interested to see what is in store for the day.
Riddle Sideways: ah, very good, that seems to be my position now too
Riddle Sideways: I had a long weekend of very different stuff and now come back to everyday stuff
Riddle Sideways: yet seem detacted
Fortune Crystal: I am exploring the tactic of not having any expectations. Some how I have this idea that life is supposed to be easy and fun but I can't seem to find that so easily. So new tactic is have no expectations
Riddle Sideways: yes, is easily pointed out (to each of us) that planning and forcing don't work so often
Riddle Sideways: expecting others to act as we tell them sure doesn't work
Fortune Crystal: very true. And I have found lately that the moer I plan, the more quickly things don't work out as planned, no longer a delay. The alternate senario just happens and I don't even have a chance to even attempt the plan. :-)
Riddle Sideways: even a simple thing like this meeting
Fortune Crystal: So I did not plan to attend this meeting and I happened to look at the time and I said, oh i can attend a PaB meeting so here I am
Riddle Sideways: over the year I have a folder of notes on topics that were burning to be chatted about
Fortune Crystal: oh, please do suggest one of the topics :-)

Riddle Sideways: I would plan to talk about this sentence APA
Riddle Sideways: and thoughts that had been piling up
Riddle Sideways: a sentence in one email about loosening up the picture of reality
Riddle Sideways: sent my mind many places
Riddle Sideways: then my friend this cube came along

Fortune Crystal: That sounds like a great topic. so how would you put the topic in a question and lets see what ideas come up
Riddle Sideways: this cube can/is so many possibilities
Riddle Sideways: Is this cube the box that Schroder's (sp?) cat is in?
Fortune Crystal: haha
Riddle Sideways: or... is there a reality in this cube
Fortune Crystal: I believe that there is a reality in this cube. But who is to say there is only one reality at a time. could there be multiple
Riddle Sideways: thank you , yes I believe there are as many realities as you can do at once
Riddle Sideways: one of the first dualisms of this cube is:
Fortune Crystal: if there are many realities, is there one reality that you and I share so that we could experience it as the same
Fortune Crystal: or
Riddle Sideways: whether when I "touch" it
Fortune Crystal: iis it because we are different that we have only different interpreations of the reality
Fortune Crystal: lets go with the touch idea, elaborate
Riddle Sideways: and comeback to using SL to common/different prospectives later.
Riddle Sideways: we could "touch" this cube
Riddle Sideways: A. it would "open" into a pre-packaged house/world/reality
Riddle Sideways: B. we could "mold"it into what [we/it/all] want/need

Fortune Crystal: I admit, when I saw the cube, I immediately tried to touch it. Which makes me wonder, how is our perseption of the cube delegating/preplanning/limiting our interaction in this conversation/SL/RL
Riddle Sideways: absolutely
Riddle Sideways: even the raw materials have pre-something defined in them
Riddle Sideways: we carry so much prejudice
Riddle Sideways: somehow we have put limits even on this cube
Fortune Crystal: what if the raw materials of this cube caused us to be here in SL at this now moment. You may think that you made the cube appear but the cube was creating the reality all along making you think you made it appear
Fortune Crystal: so confusing :-)
Riddle Sideways: and when so confused we usually try to simplify back to 'stable' footing
Fortune Crystal: true
Riddle Sideways: yet, many times we should allow the confusing
Riddle Sideways: even go with it
Riddle Sideways: allow cube to BE all the confusing
Fortune Crystal: yes, many times we allow the confusing. And what is it in us that defines something as confusing or making sense? To what extent does that come from each individuals perseption and to what extent does it come from a group definition of confustion/sense
Riddle Sideways: you/I/we/they/all (and others) combine to define that
Riddle Sideways: I think I command the definition of this cube !!!!
Riddle Sideways: and am wrong
Fortune Crystal: So what happens when "they" say it is confusing and "I" say it makes sense applying this back to the cube. which is the correct perspective?
Riddle Sideways: society forced me to only see cube as they say?
Fortune Crystal: I think your last response answers my last question
Riddle Sideways: you have to hide your radical thinking away
Riddle Sideways: or be pursicuted

Fortune Crystal: But why does the individual allow itself to be forced to believe something that it perceives in a different way
Fortune Crystal: So in a way we allow the persecution I believe
Fortune Crystal: which is very interesting cuz the idividual is equally vulpable as the persecutor/society
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: I do it unknowingly and unmeaningly to you right now
Fortune Crystal: But who is to say that the cube isn't the one doing the forced perception. So it is not society after all but the cube doing the forced melding of the mind
Fortune Crystal: haha
Riddle Sideways: Cube is like the monilith in 2001 (years ago now) appearing to us
Riddle Sideways: it comes
Riddle Sideways: and we see it. are shaped by it
Riddle Sideways: it talked to us and we obeyed by doing a SL voodoo right click create here
Fortune Crystal: But the cube we see is isn't actually the correct cube because of the time delay that it takes the light to bounce from the cube to our eyes
Riddle Sideways: the Tao you see is not the real Tao
Riddle Sideways: the cube in my linux box is not the real cube nor the cube in your CRT/LCD.

Fortune Crystal: what if its actually a dodecahedron that is wearing a cube outfit like your avatar. ok you just addressed that idea when you talked about the Tao.
Riddle Sideways: when a 4th dimensional object/being is presented into 3-space
Riddle Sideways: it grows into a (hmmmmm cube) shape
Fortune Crystal: lol
Riddle Sideways: we can not see it's 4d shapeness
Riddle Sideways: only this 2d represention of it's 3D ...
Fortune Crystal: what if it is actually located at the 4.75th dimension and not just 4.00th dimention
Riddle Sideways: ah what the word Fractual was meant
Riddle Sideways: Fractional dimensions
Fortune Crystal: wow, I didn't know about fractal dimensions please eluciadate a little more
Riddle Sideways: wellllll, having spent years and years wondering that subject
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey
Fortune Crystal: I've seen pictures of fractuals but not sure of the concept
Riddle Sideways: how do I present it in 2 sentences

Fortune Crystal: hi Yakuzza
Fortune Crystal: welcome!
Riddle Sideways: hello, Yakuzza
Riddle Sideways: not sure we have met before
Riddle Sideways: have you been to these PaB meetings before?
Fortune Crystal: who are you asking Riddle>
Yakuzza Lethecus: me
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was yes
Riddle Sideways: many Avs change names/bodies and I don't know them
Fortune Crystal: This is my third meeting so brand new
Riddle Sideways: Yakuzza, we were delving off on the possiblities of this cube
Yakuzza Lethecus: i come here and listen most of the times
Yakuzza Lethecus: if the cube is real ?
Fortune Crystal: yes
Riddle Sideways: well enjoy the listening, but I hope you will add in to my confusion
Fortune Crystal: that is what we are investigating yakuzza
Fortune Crystal: lol at Riddle
Yakuzza Lethecus: i forgot the terminology we used in the philosophy discussion yesterday
Yakuzza Lethecus: :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: we also had some issues about if things in 2nd life are real
Yakuzza Lethecus: we can percieve them
Yakuzza Lethecus: dream about them
Fortune Crystal: Well, we could say they are real because they cause reactions in the RL individual such as emotions (ie cconfusion :-) )
Yakuzza Lethecus: and even don´t know if somebody else percieve them the way we do
Yakuzza Lethecus: other resolution and graphics
Yakuzza Lethecus: so we even have the problem of qualica
Yakuzza Lethecus: qualia
Fortune Crystal: true, yeah, I am not sure if my resolution on my oldish computer has a good quality. Interesting point yakuzza
Riddle Sideways: have the great servers at Linen presented as we need to see or just allowed the possiblity of our joint seeing

Fortune Crystal: I have also wondered if decorum/manners of RL apply in SL. I have had all manner of avatars coming up to me telling me what I can and can't do when I am in the middle of something. any thoughts?
Fortune Crystal: For example
Fortune Crystal: I happened to read a notecard for a church advertising sermon and the notecard ended by saying the church welcomed everyone and didn't discriminate on the appearance of the avatar. any thoughts?
Riddle Sideways: netiquettte, common curtesy, ethics... hmmm
Riddle Sideways: but how Rl vs SL good questions
Riddle Sideways: how shocking and/or disruptive do you wish to be to any given group
Fortune Crystal: interesting question. hmmm...
Riddle Sideways: how egoistical and commanding shall I be?
Riddle Sideways: over time there have been some come avs into PaB chats and disrupted, commanded
Riddle Sideways: many did not like that
Riddle Sideways: some learned from it

Fortune Crystal: I think it depends, sometimes I spontaneously like to be shocking. But is it easier to be shocking disruptive in SL and why do it only in SL and not RL. What is the fear/ thing holding individual from acting the same way in RL
Riddle Sideways: maybe it is ... [nope, don't want to talk of police states]
Riddle Sideways: could be... there are shy people
Riddle Sideways: that are released in SL
Fortune Crystal: but it can be said that there isn't anyone forced to be in a police state. The police state wouldn't exist unless its residents agreed to allow the policing
Riddle Sideways: shy people who would never be naked in church
Fortune Crystal: lol
Riddle Sideways: being and dressing your av in the opposite gender?
Yakuzza Lethecus: have i been in the air for you too ?
Riddle Sideways: yes, but is fine for an enlightened as you are
Yakuzza Lethecus: i´ll better be

Fortune Crystal: nothing wrong with exploring reality in SL and in RL (ie cross dressing/naked in church etc).
Riddle Sideways: true
Fortune Crystal: but maybe the cube made me say that :-)
Riddle Sideways: maybe
Riddle Sideways wishes Faenik was here for a random quote right now
Fortune Crystal: Is it ok for people in RL to have multiple personalities and express them like people in SL
Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry for not more talkative :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: i got to go
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
Riddle Sideways: bye
Fortune Crystal: Bye!
Riddle Sideways: The we that is Riddle has multiples and tries not to get caught in RL
Riddle Sideways: They instutionize weirdos like me
Fortune Crystal: But what happens if another "we" group tries to catch the "we of Riddle" can you really escape
Riddle Sideways: so far
Fortune Crystal: but what if the "we of Riddle" ahs already been caught in RL and doesn't know it/remember the event
Fortune Crystal: can you escape?
Riddle Sideways: I think that has happened too. and escape is within us all
Fortune Crystal: Well, I wonder what I sould be escaping to. This might actually be the garden of eden compared to where I am trying to escape to.
Riddle Sideways: btw - one of my captors needs me to stop this SL and become it's first life working stiff
Fortune Crystal: k, bye!
Riddle Sideways: this has been very nice... and almost what I had planned :)
Fortune Crystal: great conversation indeed. I notice the cube left in the middle of the conversation. have a great day Riddle
Riddle Sideways: you toooooo