2010.02.16 19:00 - No Time

 

The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu.

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise

Eos Amaterasu: And Storm!

Paradise Tennant: hiya eos . storm :) gtsy

Storm Nordwind: Hi both :)

Paradise Tennant: :) how is everyone tonight :)

Storm Nordwind: Fine thank you! :)

Eos Amaterasu: Ditto :-)

Eos Amaterasu: I've been getting into a post-Maltese work rhythm

Storm Nordwind: How is it different from a pre-Maltese work rhythm?

Eos Amaterasu: The Maltese are a very ancient people :-)

Eos Amaterasu: Maybe appreciation increases.

Eos Amaterasu: But also less vacation-time quality

Storm Nordwind: Some of their attitudes or culture has rubbed off on you perhaps?

Eos Amaterasu: Being in another country with its own language and land stretches you out

Paradise Tennant: yes .. always feel bigger after a trip .. the life you come home to seems a bit smaller :)

Storm Nordwind: You mean challenges you to expand your cozy horizons?

Eos Amaterasu: And you infuse the life you come back to with that bigger thing

Storm Nordwind: I wonder if there's a difference between people in mainland Europe - who must do that very regularly - and people from large more monoculture continents

Paradise Tennant: smiles a big difference I would bet

Calvino Rabeni: Hell all !

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Cal

Paradise Tennant: hiya cal gtsy :)

Storm Nordwind: Hi Cal... wishing us all away already? ;)

Calvino Rabeni: :)

Calvino Rabeni: I'd buy your tickets, if there were an admission charge :)

Eos Amaterasu: he doth say hell to paradise

Paradise Tennant: lol

Storm Nordwind chuckles

Eos Amaterasu: micro-cultural environments are fun

Eos Amaterasu: as in Europe

Paradise Tennant: yes but .. slowly it is homogenizing too in away .. one currency .. people can work anywhere .. it is changing

Storm Nordwind: Yes. I remember working for a while near Dusseldorf in Germany...

Storm Nordwind: We would say after work...

Paradise Tennant: well change is the constant

Storm Nordwind: "Where shall we eat tonight?" ...

Storm Nordwind: Germany, Netherlands...

Storm Nordwind: Or perhaps Belgium...

Calvino Rabeni: Which type of beer ?

Storm Nordwind: and there were couple of other options for Friday night too

Storm Nordwind: Ah yes... if you want good beer, that cuts down your options!

--BELL--

Storm Nordwind: Actually it is not really homogenizing in Europe. The opportunities are, sure, but people are becoming MORE conscious in my opinion of what makes their little bit of the world special. So there's more localism brought to people's attention

Paradise Tennant: nods resistance to the borg :)

Storm Nordwind: I think pride in one's own identity

Eos Amaterasu: I hope so. There were a surprising # of Mcdonald's in Paris, but it still felt like Paris

Paradise Tennant: and starbucks!

Paradise Tennant: no starbucks in italy :)

Paradise Tennant: but was surprised how .. all sorts of products I buy were available in malta

Paradise Tennant: in sicily too in rome

Eos Amaterasu: not always the other way arouind, though

Storm Nordwind: I wish I could same the same in DEnver

Paradise Tennant: all same same

Eos Amaterasu: have not found those good almond cookies here

Paradise Tennant: lol

Paradise Tennant: you miss the beer :)

Calvino Rabeni: You might not expect it, but Seattle has more japanese fast restaurants than ALL the fast food franchises combined, and few of them franchised

Storm Nordwind: There are good microbreweries here

Calvino Rabeni: But it is the home of starbucks

Paradise Tennant: smiles try the portugese shops .. or italian . there are similar types of almond cookies

Storm Nordwind: Of course, have to make own bread (with half the amount of sugar in it!)

Paradise Tennant: lol yes

Paradise Tennant: altitude .. :)

Paradise Tennant: baking is such a chemical thing

Storm Nordwind: No I control that with less yeast and more salt

Paradise Tennant: ahh

Paradise Tennant: hmm I have a bread machine and have gone through a whole variety of themes with it ...now mostly hearth breads :) and very simple bartards :)

Paradise Tennant: bartardes opps

Paradise Tennant: ;)

Eos Amaterasu: taste is one thing SL lacks

Eos Amaterasu: (taste as in taste)

Storm Nordwind: In how many senses of the word Eos?

Paradise Tennant: hands you a virtual almond cookie :)

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Paradise Tennant: was listening to a very good teaching by dzongsar rinpoche on no time .. been listening to it repeatedly trying to understand it ..ends up being quite simple :)

Calvino Rabeni: In terms of style, your may be mostly right, but there are certain locations that have a distinctive sense of style

Storm Nordwind: You want to reveal the secret Paradise? :)

Eos Amaterasu listens, waits....

Paradise Tennant: hmm ponders lol

Paradise Tennant: buddha nature .. which every sentient being has

Paradise Tennant: neither is born nor dies

Paradise Tennant: it is beyond time beyond duality

Paradise Tennant: once we allow our obstructions to drop we will see what is already there . .then even the path falls away

Paradise Tennant: so in point of fact time does not really exist

Paradise Tennant: it is a relative .. organization set of our senses

Paradise Tennant: like depth perception ..we have a time perception

Paradise Tennant: if we could trust .. these statement profoundly we could be enlighted .. which we already are .. vey easily but very difficult to trust

Eos Amaterasu beams

Paradise Tennant: we seek change .. something different we want something to happen lol :)

Gavin Scarfould: is this meditation?

Storm Nordwind remembers waking up one morning at an empowerment retreat and suddenly realizing time was just an imputation and then ripping the common notions of time with simple madhyamika logic. But don't ask me to repeat it now!

Eos Amaterasu: Oh, hi Gavin, I'll give you a notecard...

--BELL--

Gavin Scarfould: thanks Eos

Eos Amaterasu: Paradise, this sounds like quite a breakthrough!

Paradise Tennant: hmmm not sure it is a break through .. but I see the logic :) on that note .. knowing there is no time lol I am going to scoot ..still have to walk the dog ..do the dishes .. sigh and get up very early thanks everyone :) good night all :)

Gavin Scarfould: what's an imputation?

Paradise Tennant: :) namaste

Eos Amaterasu: Thank you, Paradise!

Gavin Scarfould: bye paradise

Storm Nordwind: Bye paradise

Eos Amaterasu: /||\

Storm Nordwind: Oh Gavin... an imputation is just a meaning or understanding that you ascribe to something

Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, the chat here is recorded and put on our wiki - is that okay with you?

Eos Amaterasu: Color commentary :-)

Gavin Scarfould: yes

Gavin Scarfould: so it's like an analogy?

Storm Nordwind: Hmm... not as such...

Storm Nordwind: it might be as simple as a rule of thumb for understanding something... or it might be something that's very practical or a way of getting over something impractical

Storm Nordwind does not have his dictionary in gear tonight!

Eos Amaterasu: the imputed part of reality is mostly the part over-contributed by you

Eos Amaterasu: putting your spin on reality

Gavin Scarfould: isn't that everything, though?

Eos Amaterasu: I'm afraid so, Gavin (he said somberly :-)

Gavin Scarfould: a single particle or wave of light doesn't have to be seen

Storm Nordwind nods

Gavin Scarfould: i'm pretty sure they could be felt if that's how we want to interpret them

Storm Nordwind: That's a good example

Storm Nordwind: We find it practical to impute color or somesuch to them. But their reality can be quite different

Calvino Rabeni: I'd say - not everything is imputed, but its a mix, that can't really be sorted out by parts

Gavin Scarfould: yeah it's like, a flower can look a certain color to me but to a different animal its different

Eos Amaterasu: things are not random, even sans our imputations reality is not crazy

Calvino Rabeni: Very "fractal" - at every object and location there's a partly subjective component

Storm Nordwind: Well, we know the nervous pattern or received wavelengths may be different, but we can't really be sure what the sensations are to the animal

Gavin Scarfould: some animals see with sound

Gavin Scarfould: I saw a documentary where dolfphis could see inside boxes because they could use sound to supplement their vision

Gavin Scarfould: which is pretty neat!

Eos Amaterasu: Kurt Godel felt that mathematical perceptions were just as real as auditory, etc

Gavin Scarfould: so, yeah there's something there, that can't be argued.

Gavin Scarfould: so I guess that's the objectivity

Calvino Rabeni: Some people think there is perception prior to formation of concepts, but I think that's debatable

Gavin Scarfould: but if it has any meaning I guess that's the argument

Gavin Scarfould: you mean if matter creates conciousness or if matter exists because of conciousness?

Calvino Rabeni: I meant, more like, do people have completely "raw" perceptions before they layer in the meaning

Calvino Rabeni: On the second question that is interesting too

Eos Amaterasu: How that for a topic for the next 90 second interval (coming up in 2 minutes)?

Storm Nordwind: Do you think babies have concepts too, but it seems as though perception may possibly be raw?

Calvino Rabeni: I don't think either extreme really holds up regarding "which came first, matter or consciousness"

Gavin Scarfould: concepts seem to be automatic

Calvino Rabeni: Yes I think babies have them

Eos Amaterasu: "no matter, never mind"

Gavin Scarfould: ahhhaha

Gavin Scarfould: Eos made a funny

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: And I think some concepts are based on the physical design - in that sense, "hardwired" in that there's not so much flexibility or variation

Storm Nordwind believes it is sometimes possible to experience without conception (though I guess we normally don't) but had long fruitless debates about this with one Buddhist nun ;)

Eos Amaterasu: There seems to be "activation", followed by a concept/perception cascade (from last 90 secs)

Gavin Scarfould: well, I think we can quantify with out "knowing math"

Gavin Scarfould: the cencept of "me" is something kids have to figure out too

Calvino Rabeni: A lot more is known about it than in past times, at least on the level of physical correlates of cognition

Calvino Rabeni: It is a little like physics looking inside matter, or figuring out what happened during the big bang

Calvino Rabeni: Because the introspection and observation are famously difficult

Calvino Rabeni: given that the "instrument" is slower than the thing being observed (in classic introspection)

Eos Amaterasu: who's being slower?

Calvino Rabeni: You have a dream, form a concept, in almost an instant, then how can the slow process of thinking form accurate models of that, since it is itself affected

Calvino Rabeni: Rational thinking, formation of ideas and concepts vetted against social considerations and history, is a slow process

Calvino Rabeni: too slow to "catch perception in the act"

Calvino Rabeni: memory is unreliable, many aspects of mind are not directly observable to consciousness

Calvino Rabeni: it is just a pretty poor "instrument" for self observation, for various reasons

Eos Amaterasu: too bad it's the only one :-)

Calvino Rabeni: Getting scientific instruments into the task will help and be influential, in the future

Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, did you come to Play as Being by accident, or was it part of a search?

Calvino Rabeni: I think we're at the beginning of a new phase - paradigm shift or whatever -

Gavin slumps over

Eos Amaterasu: (that was a knockout question)

Calvino Rabeni: :)

Eos Amaterasu: Well, I don't think that most of science yet recognizes that it sits inside questions of its own making

Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps even software systems - web 3.0 and beyond - will shift the understanding of consciousness in a beneficial way

Eos Amaterasu: I hope so

Calvino Rabeni: A valid issue, Eos

Eos Amaterasu: notion of benefit needs questioning

Eos Amaterasu: symbiotic software that cares

Eos Amaterasu: "all watched over by machines of loving grace"

Calvino Rabeni: Well, you've heard about the "global brain" metaphor perhaps

Eos Amaterasu: but that needs to be right in the language of the code

Calvino Rabeni: Now some are considering, could there ba a "global heart"

Calvino Rabeni: No it doesn't need to be in the code, that is the point

Calvino Rabeni: It will *never* be in the code.

Calvino Rabeni: That is where traditional AI went astray

Eos Amaterasu: its call-by-future is us

Eos Amaterasu: we don't know from whence is our call-by-future

Eos Amaterasu: (which brings it back to Paradise on timelessness)

Calvino Rabeni: That's interesting eos, I never heard the term before

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: oh, it comes from "call-by-value", "call-by-reference", "call by wirth" :-) re "futures" in programming parallel systems

Eos Amaterasu: ultimate pass-the-buck of software is to us

Eos Amaterasu: that's what needs to be DNA'd in

Eos Amaterasu: that way it works analogously to the way we work

Eos Amaterasu: intentionality is call-by-future

Calvino Rabeni: Teleology or something

Eos Amaterasu: we don't know who we pass the buck to

Eos Amaterasu: do we?

Calvino Rabeni: Well, basically, getting back to perception, as a process it is not at all about accurate perception in the moment

Storm Nordwind will slip away and do some urgent land mainenance

Calvino Rabeni: it is about making partly right anticipations of future events

Eos Amaterasu: Ciao Storm

Storm Nordwind waves

Calvino Rabeni: and marshalling the discrepancies to hide them

Calvino Rabeni: Bye Storm

Eos Amaterasu: perception is activated by us actively

Calvino Rabeni: well that's intersting too - there doesn't seem to be a ghost in the machine, an observing homunculus or Wizard of Oz.

Calvino Rabeni: No puppet master

Eos Amaterasu: no puppet

Calvino Rabeni: The sense of self is also the same business of forward projection

Eos Amaterasu: yes

Eos Amaterasu: you forward project the words of your sentences

Calvino Rabeni: If it is a puppet, it pulls its own strings, with a little help from the rest of the entire universe :)

Eos Amaterasu: entropy must be obeyed!

Calvino Rabeni: Some life forms are pretty good at gaming the entropy system

Eos Amaterasu: that's the name of the game

Calvino Rabeni: Recent findings about quantum effects in photosynthesis were intriguing

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: how light transmits

Calvino Rabeni: Sure, it's unreasonably efficient :)

Eos Amaterasu: it's more than that

Calvino Rabeni: But if there's a way, leave it to "life" to discover it.

Calvino Rabeni: Say more about more :)

Eos Amaterasu: there's no time until decoherence happens

Eos Amaterasu: millions of worlds died to bring you this moment

Calvino Rabeni: I always thought that was a kind of conceit - it is not the only interpretation of QM but seems the most dramatic. Maybe that accounts for its popularity?

Calvino Rabeni: Of course the one we need to discuss this, isn't here right now.

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Calvino Rabeni: But taking that as an analogy - the worlds that died weren't actually "living" either!

Calvino Rabeni: They were stuck in endless possibility

Eos Amaterasu: true, or more probably, exactly!

Eos Amaterasu: there is actuality, but it's hard to say what it is

Gavin Scarfould: so what should I learn about not knowing very much? I feel like I cant break through any truly unique ideas

Eos Amaterasu: give up all ideas

Eos Amaterasu: really

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Gavin Scarfould: that's a good option

Eos Amaterasu: let's try it

--BELL--

Gavin Scarfould: once everything is gone won't I start by thinking "where di everything go?"

Eos Amaterasu: How was that?

Gavin Scarfould: didn't work :(

Gavin Scarfould: i'm still here

Eos Amaterasu: he heh

Eos Amaterasu: so what happened?

Gavin Scarfould: right now happened

Calvino Rabeni: What happened was the experience of having no thoughts, which is itself a thought.

Gavin Scarfould: you kinda learn to ignore most things so it's easy to say "nothing happened"

Gavin Scarfould: nah I didn't get to no thoughts at all

Gavin Scarfould: not even close

Eos Amaterasu: me too

Calvino Rabeni: Just a temporary rearrangement.

Gavin Scarfould: I'm guessing probably the closest you can get to is playing with two thoughts

Eos Amaterasu: and there's always those birds!

Calvino Rabeni: The question is, what makes this a worthwhile thing to attempt?

Gavin Scarfould: if you can concentrate on just two thoughts, or 3

Eos Amaterasu: I think trying to attain "no thought" is somewhat artificial

Gavin Scarfould: yeah, one idea and either leaving it or picking it up

Eos Amaterasu: it's not the normal state

Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I see it as a kind of metaphor

Gavin Scarfould: and if you just hold the thought or let it go and hold it again as it goes then you're pretty damn close to nothing

Eos Amaterasu: you can do it literally for a while

Eos Amaterasu: but it misses the point

Calvino Rabeni: And being "abnormal" isn't necessarily the point either

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: makes for better movies, though

Gavin Scarfould: so how do we know we're thinking?

Calvino Rabeni: What's the point - and I mean that in a "positive" way?

Eos Amaterasu: thinking usually hits you on the head

Gavin Scarfould: have you ever had a problem you have to solve and you kinda leave it for later, then during dinner you're talking to friends and yu're trying to explain something to someone

Eos Amaterasu: the point - aha

Eos Amaterasu: (call-by-future sneaks in....)

Calvino Rabeni: Depending on your notion of "thinking" it may be extremely subtle

Eos Amaterasu: how do we know this is a good questino?

Gavin Scarfould: so while you're thinking suddenly the answer to that other problem kinda hovers in to view and you're like "OH! I think i figured something out" but you weren't actively thinking about it?

Eos Amaterasu: (fundamental particle - questino)

Calvino Rabeni: Well in that example, we "trust" the idea to pop out at some reasonably future time

Eos Amaterasu: yeah, space gets pregnant

Gavin Scarfould: where does the problem go when I don't think about it?

Gavin Scarfould: and how did I solve it?

Eos Amaterasu: you didn't

Calvino Rabeni: Knowledge gets pregnant too

Eos Amaterasu: I hope so

Calvino Rabeni: Well, neurons keep churning away behind the scenes, they just don't give any status updates for a while

Calvino Rabeni: LIke employees who don't want to be micro-managed

Eos Amaterasu: yeah, we live in a whole matrix of such sustaining neurons

Calvino Rabeni: but the Big Boss

Eos Amaterasu: all are our mothers

Calvino Rabeni: The "Big Boss" really doesn't have much control over what the smart guys do in the back office

Eos Amaterasu: Big Boss in his own mind only

Calvino Rabeni: Likes to fantasize that he does, however :)

Gavin Scarfould: it would be cool if I could chill somewhere while my brain does all my work for me

Calvino Rabeni: You do - it is called "intuition"

Gavin Scarfould: yeah but they should just hook up part of my brain to a computer where it'll write all y emails and do all my coding and solve all the problems and balance the check book while I don't think about that and just ride my skateboard at the beach

Calvino Rabeni: How many people, I wonder, would like to be a cyborg, with technoid implants?

Gavin Scarfould: I say "they" because I'm too lazy to even begin to learn how to do that or if it's possible :-P

Eos Amaterasu ponders technoid implants :-)

Gavin Scarfould: cyborgs would be cool but I just don't want to have to worry about work

Calvino Rabeni: Memory prosthetic, for instance

Gavin Scarfould: I just want things to get done while I enjoy other parts of life

Eos Amaterasu: that already happens to a large extent

Calvino Rabeni: It would be easier to have a bot do your work, than get the mods

Gavin Scarfould: work getting done?

Gavin Scarfould: yeah they'll be like a robot slave race

Eos Amaterasu: 99.99% of you is already done for you

Gavin Scarfould: I think people are already forming robot rights movements

Calvino Rabeni: I have little doubt, you 'd notice the drain on your awareness

Gavin Scarfould: wowowow, Eos, what do you mean that's an incredibly cool statement

Calvino Rabeni: with these background tasks running

Calvino Rabeni: :)

Calvino Rabeni: Sho' 'nuff

--BELL--

Eos Amaterasu: billions of years of evolution conspired to bring you here, and it's all got background tasks running :-)

Calvino Rabeni: Your gut, for example, has the brainpower approximately of a cat - and for the main part, just gets things done without bothering you

Calvino Rabeni: But yes, Eos, the processing is mostly outside the body

Gavin Scarfould: holy shit, you're right!

Eos Amaterasu: ahem :-)

Gavin Scarfould: so you're saying i came pre-packaged?

Eos Amaterasu: we come with a huge amount of living context

Eos Amaterasu: just being able to see these green grasses around this pavilion

Calvino Rabeni: Photosynthesis, converting solar energy - hey not problem, already delegated to plants

Gavin Scarfould: so how do I enjoy it more?

Eos Amaterasu: aha!

Gavin Scarfould: I think that's realy my ultumate question

Eos Amaterasu: appreciate it

Gavin Scarfould: I'm a pretty happy guy but I'm a sucker for optimization

Calvino Rabeni: Appreciation - probably preceded by attention

Eos Amaterasu: each tiny detail

Calvino Rabeni: Yes

Calvino Rabeni: Of course, at first it will seem meaningless, pointless

Calvino Rabeni: But that's because of the utility programming

Calvino Rabeni: Optimization - technology itself perhaps - is a strategy for concealment of the actual source of what happens, showing only the functional result

Calvino Rabeni: And, we are naturally as programmed as our machines

Calvino Rabeni: So looking inside the machine is normally what people do when it is broken

Gavin Scarfould: so what's driving this processes do you think?

Calvino Rabeni: in order to fix it and get it working again

Gavin Scarfould: if it doesn't have a goal it sure seems to be doing a good job at improving things

Calvino Rabeni: so then it can be forgotten again

Calvino Rabeni: It's self-driving, apparently

Calvino Rabeni: And doesn't seem to have a goal to make us all happy

Calvino Rabeni: mainly just to survive

Eos Amaterasu: we're at one of those points where the machine is broken and must introspect

Calvino Rabeni: Especially now, Eos?

Eos Amaterasu: we're breaking our own cycle of life

Calvino Rabeni: At the eco-level - right

Eos Amaterasu: so need to become more aware of how we affect, de-stabilize, stabilize

Gavin Scarfould: who knows maybe our idea of heaven or that experience of oneness to the universe is the blueprint of our goal?

Calvino Rabeni: Handy as it is, technology gets the credit for the lack of awareness

Calvino Rabeni: Maybe a goal, or maybe the carrot ahead of the donkey on the stick?

Eos Amaterasu: Gavin, that idea or experience is the hint we're already connected with what we want

Calvino Rabeni: It is hard to distinguish

Eos Amaterasu: but it's our lack of awareness

Gavin Scarfould: what we want might not exist, maybe it's just a model that's been passed down

Eos Amaterasu: we write the simple equation for our financial system: amt_tomorrow > amt_today

Gavin Scarfould: genetic heritage?

Calvino Rabeni: Some things perhaps, like wanting to eat too much fat or sweets

Gavin Scarfould: we build palns during our life time for buildings and other technology

Gavin Scarfould: maybe at some point there was this ultumate plan that would require many generations to accomplish

Eos Amaterasu: we don't really know why we're here

Eos Amaterasu: that's why we're here (at Play as Being) :-)

Gavin Scarfould: i'm not saying we're here for that

Gavin Scarfould: I'm thinking at some point evolution's like "well, we're here so we might as well do THIS"

Eos Amaterasu: sounds like a plan :-)

Gavin Scarfould: we're not here to make music but there's plenty of musicians because music is enjoyable

Gavin Scarfould: that's probbly the most comforting idea to me, the fact there's no purpose yet we can do stuff!

Gavin Scarfould: it's like youre handed life and you're like "what do I do with this" and the answer is "what ever!"

Eos Amaterasu: purpose vs no-purpose dissolve

Eos Amaterasu: you are the porpoise of life

Gavin Scarfould: ha! we were born at the result?

Gavin Scarfould: the purpose of life is YOU Eos

Eos Amaterasu: Ack! Me?

--BELL--

Gavin Scarfould: yes!

Gavin Scarfould: now make us proud!

Gavin Scarfould: do something cool Eos

Eos Amaterasu: 

Gavin Scarfould: lol

Gavin Scarfould: millions of years of evolusion and this is what we get?

Gavin Scarfould: oh whell, lets keep going :-P

Gavin Scarfould: this being stuff is pretty cool

Gavin Scarfould: I think I'm gettin the hang of it

Gavin Scarfould: OOPS

Gavin Scarfould: I talked when I wasn't supposed to

Gavin Scarfould: sorry

Eos Amaterasu: the silence tricked you

Gavin Scarfould: hehehe

Eos Amaterasu: it does that, you know

Calvino Rabeni: NP.

Gavin Scarfould: i'm easilly fooled

Eos Amaterasu: makes everything you say louder

Eos Amaterasu: makes perceptions brighter

Calvino Rabeni: Anyway, I'm pretty satisfied with "Eos" as the avatar of meaning and purpose of evolution :)

Eos Amaterasu: the kind of enjoyment you just talked aboiut

Gavin Scarfould: I was being outloud :-P

Gavin Scarfould: me too!

Eos Amaterasu: Ha ha

Gavin Scarfould: ok on behalf of humanity I say we're done. Eos is the meaning and purpose of existence

Gavin Scarfould: we've figured it out

Eos Amaterasu: revisionism!

Eos Amaterasu: anti-integerian infidel - it's 42!

Eos Amaterasu: Okay gang, I gotta go - pretty late-ish, here

Eos Amaterasu: Bye Calvino and Gavin!

Gavin Scarfould: bye Eos thanks for keeping evolution going

Eos Amaterasu: it's a tough job

Calvino Rabeni: Yeah same here, glad you stopped by Gavin

Calvino Rabeni: BFN

Gavin Scarfould: thanks Calvino