2012.11.02 07:00 - Title goes here

The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

druth Vlodovic: don't touch a thing, you're beautiful :)
Lucinda Lavender: :) thank you!
Lucinda Lavender: MOrning Druth!
druth Vlodovic: lol,I always get a funny feeling when people say that
Lucinda Lavender: yeah:)
druth Vlodovic: do you really want a morning druth?
Lucinda Lavender: I know what you mean tho...
druth Vlodovic: perhaps a morning Lucinda would have a better flavour :)
Lucinda Lavender: the last time I worked on my shape due to coming back from being a cat...there have bee some detail to work out!
Lucinda Lavender: beeen details
Lucinda Lavender: ha
Lucinda Lavender: morning dress...yes
Lucinda Lavender: still dark out for me:)
druth Vlodovic: did being a cat change your chape?
Lucinda Lavender: hard to believe...
druth Vlodovic: brb
Lucinda Lavender: well some how yes after being in the cat avatar it was different so I started tweaking
Lucinda Lavender: brb too
Xs Andree: ao off
Lucinda Lavender: greetings Xs
Lucinda Lavender: back now
--BELL--
Xs Andree: welcome back, Lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: seems to be snowing just over the way...
Xs Andree nods nods
druth Vlodovic: bk,sry
Lucinda Lavender: np druth
Lucinda Lavender: I was away too...
druth Vlodovic: now if we can convince xs to go afk...
Xs Andree: lol I"m still getting here tbh
druth Vlodovic: we can all be elsewhere together :)
Xs Andree: just woke up,
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Xs Andree: which involves tea and rolling a cigarette
Lucinda Lavender: I think I had dreams that I cannot remember...thought about them while in them but alas lost now
Xs Andree: oh damn!
Xs Andree: I had a dream last night, but I didn't write it down!
druth Vlodovic: umm, I had work last night and forget most of it, does that count?
Xs Andree: Nice going!
Lucinda Lavender: sure
Xs Andree high fives Druth
druth Vlodovic: togetherness again!
Xs Andree: unplug from the commercialist zombie war
Lucinda Lavender: I do not know about that war I think:)
druth Vlodovic: not sure zombies can war, if they don't just surrender then they don't really qualify as zombies do they?
Xs Andree: it is the war for your brainz
Xs Andree makes zombie arms, reaching for lucinda "Braaainzzzz"
Lucinda Lavender: :))
Lucinda Lavender: let me look for something..
Xs Andree: They want you to forget, to be a mind separated from context, to wander the maze of office spaces and factory floors and mall spaces and apartment drones
druth Vlodovic: moved rather than moving
Xs Andree: To accept the reality they create, but if we let them, then we accept that we can shape reality with our minds, and by accepting that, then we are shaped by all the minds, and forget that there is a reality apart from us.
Xs Andree: Apart from what we believe, and it cares nothing for what we think. It is what it is.
Xs Andree: yeah, Druth
druth Vlodovic: lol, so many people find that concept oppressive rather than comforting
Xs Andree shrugs
druth Vlodovic: sniff
Xs Andree: We can shape reality with our dreams, just not all of it.
druth Vlodovic: we can affect or modify reality with our dreams
Xs Andree nod
druth Vlodovic: and will, without doing there are no real dreams
--BELL--
Xs Andree: we can dream upon the medium, but we are limited by the medium as we are freed by it.
Lucinda Lavender: Brain song... hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXCj...=plcp...brains make me think of a song from my classroom past...
Lucinda Lavender: us also...had I heeded a few dreams I might have affected outcomes
Xs Andree listens
Xs Andree: i wonder if i dream too much while i'm awake
druth Vlodovic: depends on what effect the dreams have on you
Xs Andree: I dunno. I get these panic attacks sometimes, and they tend to mess up everything. whenever I'm happy I feel like I'm about to die.
Xs Andree: when I'm happiest i'm the most afraid.
Lucinda Lavender: oh that sounds hard....
druth Vlodovic: "the undiscovered country" :)
Xs Andree: when things go well for me, I get afraid, then everything goes wrong
Xs Andree nods
druth Vlodovic: perhaps they go wrong because you start sabotaging them in order to return to "normal"
Xs Andree: I've been working on desire for that reason. To stop letting my emotions move me.
Lucinda Lavender: I had a lot of anxiety as a younger person...
Lucinda Lavender: I cmae to feel that hormones seem very connected
Lucinda Lavender: came to feel that
Xs Andree: yeah, normal for me isn't a good place. It means that nothing goes right, not to get my hopes up.
Lucinda Lavender: I ws intro duced to an idea for dealing with emotion recently
Xs Andree: me too! What was yours?
Lucinda Lavender: in which..one imagines a safe place..a favorite place
Lucinda Lavender: and also creates a container for thoughts that are the out of control kind
Lucinda Lavender: to access the calmer physical state
Lucinda Lavender: so that you can think with more flexibility
Lucinda Lavender: all in all
Lucinda Lavender: getting light out for me...I must go open up the chickens...brb
druth Vlodovic: how do you make a container for out of control thoughts?
druth Vlodovic: oh,"hi chickens!"
Lucinda Lavender: let me think as I open them up...
druth Vlodovic: I rather make a container for me and let the out of control thoughts run about outside lol
druth Vlodovic: 'k
druth Vlodovic: what is your wisdom Xs?
Xs Andree: I spent much of the year wrestling with my desires, trying to move my heart away from them, and many of them I could. But there were some that would not shake free
Xs Andree: So i learned that many of my desires are external, that they are not from within me, but influenced from without. Things I think I need to get the things I want
Xs Andree: so I wind up wanting them to get to my desires
Xs Andree: But those things that would not shake free, were from within
--BELL--
Xs Andree: A friend of mine told me that I could not accept the truth of reality while I denied these feelings
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Luci, druth, Xs!
Xs Andree: Hello Xirana
Lucinda Lavender: hi all back
Xs Andree: because those desires were the truth. He said to let them inform me of the truth, but not move me
Xs Andree: And right after he said that, I was confronted with one of my deepest desires, one I'd been struggling with
druth Vlodovic: hi Xir
Lucinda Lavender: wow..that is a power way
Xs Andree nods
Xirana Oximoxi: hi druth:)
Xs Andree: and instead of fighting it, I let myself feel it, but not move me, and it resolved.
Lucinda Lavender: powerfulI meant
Lucinda Lavender: temporary...in truth
Lucinda Lavender: oops dropped my oatmeal
druth Vlodovic: such things are often given power through mental suppression
Xs Andree nods
Lucinda Lavender: so true druth
Xs Andree: a house divided against itself
Lucinda Lavender: pondering it ...
Xirana Oximoxi: how can you just feel desire without moving?
Xs Andree: I'm not sure, really. For me it came only after a long struggle to develop more self discipline
Xs Andree: I'm not certain that it would have come so easily without first cleaning my heart of those little trivial wants that weren't really mine
Xirana Oximoxi: yes.... self discipline , if you get it, can help not to move
Xs Andree: when I accepted my desire, All of my desires came in, and i found there were things i wanted more than the thing I was denying
Xs Andree: I didn't want to ruin the freindship I wanted to posses
Xs Andree: and by possessing it, it would have ruined it.
Xirana Oximoxi: can we feel desire without feeling at the same time the need of possessoin?
Lucinda Lavender: that helps me understand what you are saying...
Xirana Oximoxi: just asking...I think yes
Xirana Oximoxi: maybe not easy
druth Vlodovic: sneaking off...
Xirana Oximoxi: bye druth
Lucinda Lavender: good day...druth
Xs Andree: In Symposium, plato writes that we desire the things we do not have
Xs Andree: once we have them, we do not desire them anymore. We can desire to keep them, but the desire is changed to possession
Xs Andree: But as all things change, we cannot keep anything
Lucinda Lavender: Luci thinks about how maybe we have to find that we are the thing we desire...already...but we seek to see it
Xs Andree: so to desire to possess something is never ending, because we know all things must pass
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Xs Andree: So I still desire my friend greatly, by accepting that our friendship must change
Xs Andree: in not attaining her possession, I continue to desire her, and to be honest, that desire is pleasant
Xs Andree: I want to desire her
Xs Andree: and by not possessing her, I have my desire, to continue to desire her always.
Xirana Oximoxi: and...after Plato's ....if your desire is satisfied, you will not want it any more?
Lucinda Lavender: cherishing...the word pops into my head
Xs Andree shrugs
Xs Andree: maybe plato doesn't know everything.
Xs Andree nods!!
Xs Andree: Yes, I do Cherish her, that word keeps coming up as well
--BELL--
Xirana Oximoxi: Plato used to give a lot of perspectives to face each topic.... different voices seaking about the same and seeing it very differently, for exempole at "The Fest" :)
Xs Andree nods
Xs Andree: And symposium
Xirana Oximoxi: one I have read......other books I have not
Lucinda Lavender: must go dears...may your cherishing inform and draw you closer to...
Xs Andree hugs lucinda
Xirana Oximoxi: bye bye Luci:) have a nice day!
Lucinda Lavender: gracias..
Xirana Oximoxi: I will also go:) have a nice day too XS! :-)
Xs Andree: you too
Lucinda Lavender: thjanks for the time:)
Xs Andree: ao on
Xirana Oximoxi: bye, tc :9
Xs Andree: Thank you everyone