The Guardian for this meeting was Lucinda Lavender. The comments are by Lucinda Lavender.

Present were, Storm, druth, and Jedhu Zong.

Storm Nordwind: Good morning Cinda :)
Lucinda Lavender: Good Morning Storm:)
Lucinda Lavender: I cannot decided whqt to say:)
Storm Nordwind: haha!
Lucinda Lavender: haha!
Storm Nordwind: Hi druth :)
druth Vlodovic: now what have you done to luci storm?
Lucinda Lavender: Good Morning druth:)
druth Vlodovic: 'morning :)
Lucinda Lavender: :)not a thing!
Storm Nordwind: I'll turn down my charisma a notch and see if it makes any difference ;)
Lucinda Lavender: I am just a bit awake...
Lucinda Lavender: I was just making an email of a businesslike sort before getting here:) different part of brain perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: and I am kind of newly awake
druth Vlodovic: a businesslike PaB session, I can live with that
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Storm Nordwind: So who has the agenda? ;)
Lucinda Lavender: me:)
Lucinda Lavender: tho I am not sure where to start
Lucinda Lavender: ideas anyone?
Storm Nordwind: Throw it all up in the air and catch whichever piece comes down closest
Lucinda Lavender: great idea..
Storm Nordwind: Well of course there's the "Theme of the week", though this week I have to say I'm probably "themed out"!
Lucinda Lavender: understand:)
druth Vlodovic: how about "serenity"
Storm Nordwind: This week's was a very different kind of topic to last week
Lucinda Lavender: ah...and just today on my table there is a list of ways to"let go" that I was looking at...
Lucinda Lavender: I am afraid I missed this weeks topic:...
druth Vlodovic: a good idea, you make one each week?
--BELL--

Storm Nordwind: It was "Using one's own traditions as a resource"
Storm Nordwind: Last week the theme was "Equanimity". Next week it is "Stillness"
Lucinda Lavender: Thanks Storm..I was opening up the chickens
Lucinda Lavender: it takes more than 90 seconds
Storm Nordwind: Sounds gruesome!
Lucinda Lavender: haha
Lucinda Lavender: Luci thinks of here tradition as her dream circle
Lucinda Lavender: her
Lucinda Lavender: as well as singing of choral music...
Lucinda Lavender: but I listen more to the music than the meaning behind the words sung
Storm Nordwind: Yes me too. The words are often beautiful sounds, rather than meaningful words.
Lucinda Lavender: nodding
Storm Nordwind: The kind of tradition that i think was meant originally was spiritual or religious tradition. Though I rather like your different kind of tradition! :))
Lucinda Lavender: taking it all down to a vibrational level
Lucinda Lavender: well the dream circle is actually a spiritual thing...when done not from the psychological viewpoint
Lucinda Lavender: listening for the dream as a source
Lucinda Lavender: not interpreting for the individual who dreamed
Lucinda Lavender: but for the the whole earth
Storm Nordwind nods
Lucinda Lavender: sort of lile Gaia I think
Lucinda Lavender: shruggs
Lucinda Lavender: back to serenity tho
Lucinda Lavender: very much like stillness?
Lucinda Lavender: which is coming up
Storm Nordwind: Perhaps so, yes
Storm Nordwind: Though I certainly experience serenity while in motion too ;)
druth Vlodovic: emotional stillness?
Storm Nordwind: It's close to equanimity. Unperturbability.
Storm Nordwind: Though that could sound hard and unfeeling
Storm Nordwind: Which it's not
Lucinda Lavender: how someone gets there..(as if it were a place)....the top thing on my let go list is that let go does not mean one stops caring but it mean I can't do it for someone else"
druth Vlodovic: that can be harsh
Lucinda Lavender: what part druth
Lucinda Lavender: ?
druth Vlodovic: my daughter's ex bf threatened to kill himself because they broke up, what could I tell her but that she can't solve other people's problems?
Storm Nordwind: It's true though
druth Vlodovic: you get serenity *after* you learn it lol
Storm Nordwind: You can be kind to people, constantly, and compassionate... but you can't make anyone else happy. In the end it's their own responsibility
--BELL--

Lucinda Lavender: such a thing...
Lucinda Lavender: Luci remembers letting her son go to the road instead of graduate from high school
Lucinda Lavender: and it took a different way of looking at the problem
Storm Nordwind: There is a great confusion in many people's minds between love and attachment. One can love warmly and wholeheatedly without attachment, and it can be beter for all parties for doing so.
Lucinda Lavender: :)yes
Storm Nordwind: And attachment - to someone, or their happiness - is so very often a tool for manipulation, sometimes consciously, sometimes not.
Lucinda Lavender: allowing learning to come to the other person in their own consequence
druth Vlodovic: love is sort of the base, what sort of love it is is usually determined by the extra things that come along with it
Storm Nordwind: But what is love? Is it something you feel? Or something you do? Is it a range of emotions? Or is it a kind and caring attitude?
Lucinda Lavender: I did not want to come tween my son and his experience of friends and music in New ORleans
druth Vlodovic: caring for someone's welfare
Lucinda Lavender: supporting
Storm Nordwind nods
druth Vlodovic: in time you might envy him the experience :)
Lucinda Lavender: definately do!
Lucinda Lavender: he met important experiences there
Lucinda Lavender: and people
druth Vlodovic: even wrong decisions must be accepted
druth Vlodovic: too stressful to worry all the time if you're doing the "right thing"
Lucinda Lavender: was just thinking the word acceptance
Lucinda Lavender: how we see what is going on...
Storm Nordwind: Caring without arrogance is a difficult step for many people.
Storm Nordwind: To be able to care but not say "I know what's best for you"
Lucinda Lavender: huge...what can you subtract from your own mental assessment...?
--BELL--

Jedhu Zong: Subtract your Self.
Jedhu Zong: What is left wil be the true I
Lucinda Lavender: HI Jedhu:)
Storm Nordwind chuckles and thinks about "telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth" - but who is ever so totally aware to know what the whole truth is? :)
Lucinda Lavender: Welcome...have you been here before?
Jedhu Zong: I've been listening for afew minutes
druth Vlodovic: poor thing, he's been spotted!
Jedhu Zong: May I join then?
Lucinda Lavender: ah...do you know that this conversation is recorded and posted to a wiki?
Lucinda Lavender: yes you are quite welcome
Lucinda Lavender: looking for notecard...
druth Vlodovic: I gave him one, sorry
druth Vlodovic: I keep getting in trouble for usurping other people's prerogatives
Lucinda Lavender: no problem:)
druth Vlodovic: it's hard the first few times you have to tell someone "I don't have any answers..."
Lucinda Lavender: but perhaps we deserve be able to say that
Lucinda Lavender: deserve is not my word...it is on this list tho about Letting go
Jedhu Zong: My core philosophy is "No I; no you. No why."
druth Vlodovic: careful not to get too "attached" to your list :)
Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
Lucinda Lavender: I was given 2 lists yesterday at work
Lucinda Lavender: the letting go list and Heavy Work Activities within the Home...
Lucinda Lavender: which is helpful for people with sesory processing disorder...
Lucinda Lavender: appearing at this moment to be the opposite of letting go! ha!
Lucinda Lavender: life is funny sometimes:)
Lucinda Lavender: # 1 item...Carry heavy things
druth Vlodovic: like "letting go" lists
Lucinda Lavender: on the list is...be illogical in making decisions(we deserve to)
Lucinda Lavender: a much wider view than I am around much
Lucinda Lavender: I have to go soon...I will post this later:)
--BELL--

druth Vlodovic: try not to be too illogical while carrying heavy objects :)
Alfred Kelberry: hi!
Storm Nordwind: Bye Cinda!
druth Vlodovic: have fun Luci
Lucinda Lavender: nice to meet you jedhu, and may your time of carrying heavy things or letting go...be a fruitful:)
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Boxy:)
druth Vlodovic: hello boxy
Lucinda Lavender: See you soon!
Alfred Kelberry: say hi to the chickens :)
Jedhu Zong: I am often called upon to let go. Carrying heavy things I like to keep to a minimum.
Lucinda Lavender: will do:)
druth Vlodovic: I'm wondering if there is some connection between sensory processing disorder and excessive letting go, a shame our social worker just left
Alfred Kelberry: i think of dumbbells. heavy things :)
Alfred Kelberry: you have to know when to let go
Alfred Kelberry: druth, what kind of disorder?
Jedhu Zong: By 'sensory processing disorder' are you refering to synesthesia?
druth Vlodovic: it's possible to look at something familiar and have no idea what it is for a while
druth Vlodovic: Luci was talking about a list of things that are good for people with that disorder, one of the items was "carry heavy objects"
Storm Nordwind leaves quietly. Bye all :)
druth Vlodovic: have fun storm
Alfred Kelberry: reminds me of a long term memory loss
Alfred Kelberry: sneaky storm
druth Vlodovic: oh sorry, I have no idea about the condition, having only heard of it now
druth Vlodovic: we were talking about letting go while still caring, and a few other things
druth Vlodovic: I'm off,
druth Vlodovic: it was good to meet you jedhu
Jedhu Zong: Likewise
druth Vlodovic: and to see you again boxy :)
druth Vlodovic: so long