2010.02.27 13:00 - Final Retreat Theme Meeting

This is the final Malta retreat theme meeting. The idea was to look back to see how easy or difficult it has been to integrate into daily lives what retreat participants have learned during the retreat. This session was attended in all or part by Agatha Macbeth, Bertram Jacobus, Calvino Rabeni, Eliza Madrigal, Eos Amaterasu, Fefonz Quan, Gaya Ethaniel, Gilles Kuhn, Lia Rikugun, Liza Deischer, Mickorod Renard, Paradise Tennant, Pema Pera, Scathach Rhiadra, Stim Morane, Qt Core, Wol Euler, Yakuzza Lethecus and myself.

The retreat participants shared their thoughts after merging back into 'real life'. This rich dialogue weaves a net of experiences, each with it's own unique view and voice.

The first 15 minutes or so of the session is spent in greeting.  (again, will comment further)

Wol Euler: hello gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Wol :)
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you?
Wol Euler: headachy from lack of sleep and too much work, but otherwise fine
Wol Euler: just had dinner, finishing my beer :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :(
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Wol Euler: right :)
Gaya Ethaniel: A cool hair :)
Wol Euler: ty :)
Wol Euler: it's from Pandora (N'avi sim) but looks pretty cool on humans too
Gaya Ethaniel: ah :)
Wol Euler: I'm trying to figure out who thzat is on your t-shirt
Gaya Ethaniel: ah :) Socrates, representing 'beauty'.
Wol Euler: hello stim
Wol Euler: ah :)
Gaya Ethaniel: It's one of things I did while learning GIMP.
Stim Morane: Hi Wol, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Stim :)
Wol Euler: ah :)
Stim Morane: Hi Sophia
Wol Euler: ty
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you Stim?
Gaya Ethaniel: Welcome :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Wol Gaya and Stim
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry was afk :))
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Wol Euler: hello sharon, eliza, scathach
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Scath :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello everyone:)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone! :) Wow... what hair Wol! :)))
Wol Euler grins
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Scathach and Eliza :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Eliza :)
Wol Euler: hello pema, yaku
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Pema and Yakuzza :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Pema and Yakuzza :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (I think the hellos are going to go on and on ;p)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: lia takes a bit more time
Liza Deischer: hi everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Mickorod Renard: hi all
Pema Pera whispers hello
Qt Core: hi all
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Mick, Liza and Qt :)
Mickorod Renard: hi Stim,,how are you?
Mickorod Renard: hi Gaya..
Stim Morane: Hi everyone, and Mick, I'm OK, thanks.
Mickorod Renard: great
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick, Pema, Ya, Liza, Qt, Agatha
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi everyone :)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Agatha :)
Liza Deischer: hi agatha
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lia, too :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Ags
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi to everyone who arrived :))
Liza Deischer: hi Li
Liza Deischer: Lia
Agatha Macbeth: Sloooooooooooow tonight
Eliza Madrigal: hehe... nice, Sharon....
Lia Rikugun: hello everybody!
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs im hald afk sorries
SophiaSharon Larnia: half*
Eliza Madrigal: hahhaha

Pema opens the discussion....

 

Pema Pera: Thanks, Sharon, for letting us use your slot tonight for the grand finale Malta theme session!
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Wol Euler: hello latecomers :)
Mickorod Renard: space next to me Ags
Pema Pera: Unfortunately Arabella is not able to join us
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry Mick ;-)
Mickorod Renard: :(
Pema Pera: she just wrote me that RL was interfering; too bad, since she played such a central role as a most gracious and untiring host in Malta!
Wol Euler: indeeed
Mickorod Renard: yes, she expressed to me also that she was sad to have to miss this get together
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey fef
Liza Deischer: hi fef
Agatha Macbeth: Awww
Mickorod Renard: Hi Fef
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Fefonz :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fonzie
Fefonz Quan: Hey everyone :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Fefonz
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Fef :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Paradise :)
Liza Deischer: hi paradise
Pema Pera: well, we have eight of the ten Malta retreat participants here, with Fefonz and Paradise too, so perhaps we should get started!
Mickorod Renard: Hi paradise
Paradise Tennant: hiya everyone :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey all new
Eliza Madrigal: Hi paradise :) (now quieting self)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Paradise :)
Lia Rikugun: how is the water fef?
Agatha Macbeth: Wet?
Lia Rikugun: hehe
SophiaSharon Larnia: grins
Pema Pera: So the suggestion is that the Malta participants talk for the first hour, 1 pm to 2 pm SLT, and then we'll have another hour, 2 pm to 3 pm for everybody else to join in as well
Lia Rikugun: hey!
Wol Euler: only the outer ring left, fef :)
Pema Pera: Hopefully that's not too restirctive
Pema Pera: but we thought it would be nice to let the retreaters have a chance to catch up with each other first
Yakuzza Lethecus: fef, you think lia is a very comfortable person :)
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Pema Pera: hi Fef!
Yakuzza Lethecus: or pema :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: :D
Pema Pera: wanna lean on my shoulder?
Wol Euler: only the outer ring left, fef :)
Fefonz Quan: i just see myself sitting on the air :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Pema Pera: I'm happy to be like air!
Pema Pera: emptiness . . . .
Liza Deischer: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Air today, gone tomorrow
Pema Pera: :-)
Fefonz Quan: donno, see no water :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Liza Deischer: emptiness is not air I'm afraid :-)
Pema Pera: Who of the retreaters would like to kick off, with the question of how it has been, to get back to normal life, after the retreat -- and to what extent it was easy or hard to integrate what we explored in Malta in our lives back home?
Fefonz Quan: (brb, getting tea, please proceed)
Mickorod Renard: I would be happy to start
Pema Pera: great!
Mickorod Renard: ok

Mickorod's account begins, and is described throughout the log...

Mickorod Renard: firstly, I would like to say that i did feel a period of regret that it had finnished, after arriving back home
Mickorod Renard: a mild sadness
Mickorod Renard: naturally I had family to returrn too, so I was glad to get home
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eos
Pema Pera: (hi Eos! you're number nine, we got all Maltesers now except Arabella herself)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: what did you regret ? did you have more expectations for comming back home
Mickorod Renard: but I think the retreat allowed an uninterupted period for contemplation,,and this was very nice,,
Mickorod Renard: no, in fact I have been able to reflect on what we did at the retreat in rl after it had finnished,,all positive
Mickorod Renard: a valuable learning tool
Fefonz Quan: (back)
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb

--BELL--

Mickorod Renard: I think it was more a sadness in leaving a circle of like minded fellows
Mickorod Renard: oops
Mickorod Renard: I think I was left with a hunger to investigate PaB in the more intamate setting we enjoyed at the retreat
Mickorod Renard: shall I stop there?
Pema Pera: (sorry, correction, I miscounted: we have only 8 of the 10 Malta goers: we are missing Arabella, and also Bertram)
Pema Pera: feel free to continue, Mick, and others can join in whenever they feel like!
Pema Pera: we don't have to speak in turn
Mickorod Renard: perhaps others may like to build upon my opening?
Agatha Macbeth: :)

Lia's account...

Lia Rikugun: i started meditating with my boyfriend 10 minutes a day :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Paradise Tennant: :)
Fefonz Quan: that sounds great Lia!
Lia Rikugun: yes we flew on a carpet together :)
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Mickorod Renard: wow
Lia Rikugun: mystical..
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Mickorod Renard: overall I feel a happier person
Lia Rikugun: actually i didnt have the possibility to go back into every day life, I almost directly went on travel agaoin
Pema Pera: on your magic carpet?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Lia Rikugun: continueing a relaxed atmosphere
Lia Rikugun: continueing to think a lot
Lia Rikugun: and imagine things happening around me
Lia Rikugun: questioning

Mickorod, Lia, and Wol's dream comparison's...

 

Mickorod Renard: yes, thinking more is something I have noticed in me
Lia Rikugun: keeping the brain busy
Lia Rikugun: ;)
Mickorod Renard: but not so cluttered thinking
Lia Rikugun: oh and dreaming, thinking about my dreams
Mickorod Renard: I am sleeping better
Lia Rikugun: yeay
Paradise Tennant: did you dream about the retreat lia :)
Lia Rikugun: no i didnt
Lia Rikugun: well i dont remember at least
Wol Euler: I did, many times :) Still do sometimes
Eos Amaterasu: Lia, I was reading a log where you described being more awake in your dreams
Lia Rikugun: nice!
Lia Rikugun: yes eos this happened twice
Pema Pera: can you tell us about your dreams, Wol?
Lia Rikugun: 3 days ago
Paradise Tennant: smiles at wol do you remember them wol ..what were they about :)
Eos Amaterasu wonders if he's a figment of Wol's dream
Wol Euler: mostly about Malta itself, driving around, stone, caves, sparse dry-land vegetation
Wol Euler: the sea
Wol Euler: once about a circle of friends meditating :)
Pema Pera: it sure was a magical surrounding . . . .
Pema Pera: oh, how nice, Wol !!
Mickorod Renard: yes,,lovely Wol
Lia Rikugun: who were these friends?
Lia Rikugun: us?
Wol Euler: some were PaB, mostly not.
Lia Rikugun: :)
Wol Euler: RL and SL people occur together in my dreams
Lia Rikugun: what was the meditation about, maybe we need to try it out! :)
Wol Euler: I didn'T write that down, I'd have to try to remember it. I think it was about Bert's chanting
Lia Rikugun: ah cool
Pema Pera: !!
Agatha Macbeth: A nightmare then?
Paradise Tennant: in the cave that was very powerful :)
Wol Euler: about the vibrations
Paradise Tennant: nods
Eos Amaterasu: I think Paradise also did some follow-up on the no-time theme
Pema Pera: that was memorable, yes, Bert's sonorous voice in a 5500 year old manmade underground dwelling . . .
Lia Rikugun: brb
Liza Deischer: (sounds great)
Eos Amaterasu: literally
Paradise Tennant: yes .. thought .. reflected on it listened repeatedly to a teaching by dgonsar rinpoche .. and I think I understand the concept sort of :)
Liza Deischer: yes :-)
Paradise Tennant: I had a dream about malta too but was very confused .. I was both the farmer and the dog .. woke .. very disoriented :)
Paradise Tennant: and very thirsty :)
Wol Euler: did you rescue yourself?
Paradise Tennant: lol
Paradise Tennant: godwin has negotiated with him to have him run free during the day and only go back to the bunker at night :)
Pema Pera: rescue yourself from yourself?
Paradise Tennant: smiels
Paradise Tennant: smiles
Wol Euler: good :)

--BELL--

Pema Pera: btw, has everybody heard that we will go back to Malta in two years, January 2012? See http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retreats
Wol Euler: wb gaya
Liza Deischer: wb gaya
Wol Euler makes a note in the calendar
Gaya Ethaniel: ty :)
Mickorod Renard: I enjoyed discovering that in RL we were all pretty normal people, cos I had a suspician we might be wierd when we met
Paradise Tennant: lol
Fefonz Quan: (which note wol?)
Wol Euler: about the Jan 2012 retreat
Liza Deischer: lol mick
Wol Euler: not that far away...
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Fefonz Quan: aha
Wol Euler points to "no time"
Paradise Tennant: smiles

Pema speaks...

Pema Pera: for me, the Malta retreat was very helpful and inspiring for my own practice, it brought several strands of explorations together, which I continued to follow in more detail during the weeks after the retreat, including the kind of sallies that Lia led us on
Fefonz Quan: Mick, maybe we are all non-normal, but in a similar way...
Paradise Tennant: lol
Mickorod Renard: he he maybe Fef
Wol Euler chuckles at Mick's expectations
Paradise Tennant: very compatible group normal or non normal :)
Lia Rikugun: back
Pema Pera: most of the time, I hardly have any chance to talk with others about my personal practice, because it is such an amalgam of elements from various traditions, plus some aspects I just stumbled upon myself
Pema Pera: but little by little, I've found opportunities to share some aspects during retreats
Pema Pera: (even in dreams, like the ones Lia and I had :-)
Mickorod Renard: fantastic Pema
Mickorod Renard: are there any in particular that you can share with us Pema?
Pema Pera: Also, after the retreat, Stim and I have had rather detailed in-depth discussions about what PaB is and can be, more than we had been able to have before
Wol Euler: ah :)
Mickorod Renard: wow
Pema Pera: we are beginning to see some contours that were not clear initially
Liza Deischer: (curious :))
Mickorod Renard: mmm yes
Pema Pera: hard to put into just a few words
Lia Rikugun: tell us
Pema Pera: I can try to say something, but for the bigger picture I suggest y'all come join us for the San Francisco retreat in one and a half month
Wol Euler: :)
Pema Pera: where Stim will be present the whole time too
Wol Euler: five more chances to win teh lottery ...
Pema Pera: and Stim and I can share our deepening understanding then in real time in RL
Pema Pera: hehehe @ Wol
Mickorod Renard: is it in school hols?
Pema Pera: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retrea...-04_California
Pema Pera: April 18-24
Agatha Macbeth: Probably yes, Mick
Mickorod Renard: ooooh,,interesting
Mickorod Renard: need my secretary
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, perhaps not then...
Agatha Macbeth: Looking at the wrong dates
Pema Pera: the bottom line is that both Stim and I are feeling quite strongly now that PaB can really be a viable alternative for more traditional forms of meditation/contemplation, even though it bypasses in some sense the years of meditative training required in more traditional approaches
Pema Pera: IF
Pema Pera: and there is a strong if
Pema Pera: IF we are willing to really go all out in an intensely personal exploration
Pema Pera: trading in the years of sitting on a cushion for an intensely felt personal exploration in daily life
Mickorod Renard: is that intensely or insanely?
Pema Pera: :-)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Both
Liza Deischer: you will need tools to do that
Pema Pera: and Lia's sallies have at least the potential to hold a key to that kind of exploration
Pema Pera: and other tools will be developed or better: will appear
Pema Pera: there seems to be an internal dynamic in PaB
Liza Deischer: sallies?
Mickorod Renard: yes, that was very interesting,,lia's trips
Pema Pera: in Malta, too, all kind of aspects "appeared"
Paradise Tennant: was thinking it would be great to have series of sessions on the book ... too .. it would make a great introduction to the kind of exploration that we each should be attempting :)
Wol Euler: ((I've greeted RudeNoob1))
Liza Deischer: teh book?
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Wol was doing so :)
Pema Pera: neither Eos nor I had anything particularly planned for Malta, yet everything appeared spontaneously, in an interesting kind of natural harmony
Pema Pera: which book, Paradise?
Paradise Tennant: Stim's book
Mickorod Renard: wok?
Pema Pera: we are having that, in the Kira time workshop -- if you mean the TSK book
Paradise Tennant: yes
Pema Pera: Time, Space, Knowledge?
Paradise Tennant: yes
Paradise Tennant: needs to spend more time on the website
Pema Pera: yes, that has been ongoing from September; will end in a month -- but we can follow up in some way if there is interest

--BELL--

Pema Pera: Fefonz and Yaku and Eos, do you want to share some of your experiences, after the retreat?
RudeNoob1: well this is awkward.
Wol Euler raises an eyebrow. Why?

Eos's account...

 

Eos Amaterasu: I think the back and forth of SL and RL is part of what I've been experiencing
Eos Amaterasu: Malta is a vivid memory in the past, but pieces of it have a timeless quality that I keep re-encountering
Eos Amaterasu: Also personally I feel more on a journey, inside transiency and transparency, in and to a kind of openness
Eos Amaterasu: I've also been inspired by Lia's pioneering PaB work :-)
Lia Rikugun: ?? what did i do?
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Liza Deischer: :-)
Eos Amaterasu: with a kind of visualization, reverie
Eos Amaterasu: it's a new way of exploring, which I have not done much of in the past, comparatively
Eos Amaterasu: playing with visualized, imagined, somehow perceived reality
Eos Amaterasu: walking down that staircase
Lia Rikugun: pema suggested that :)
Eos Amaterasu: putting that out, and then seeing what comes back
Eos Amaterasu: and something does come back
Eos Amaterasu: being is plastic
Pema Pera: (but it was your dream in which I suggested that, Lia :-)
Eos Amaterasu: see what I mean?
Pema Pera: :-)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Pema Pera: very plastic!
Pema Pera: enchating visualization seems to be a direction that PaB is offering, naturally appearing in our RL sessions . . . .
Pema Pera: *enchanting
SophiaSharon Larnia: can you describe plastic?
Eos Amaterasu: responsive
Pema Pera: malleable
Mickorod Renard: what sort of objectives to you hope we may encounter in this sort of meditation Pema?
Pema Pera: no objectives :-)
Pema Pera: but many possible perspectives!
Agatha Macbeth grins
Pema Pera: there is a strong devotional quality that comes with these sallies
Eos Amaterasu: if you actively investigate, put something out, more comes back than you might expect
Pema Pera: a willingness to follow the unknown
Pema Pera: as Lia is a master in
Pema Pera: (including tracing unknown chat logs that have not yet been posted :-P )
Wol Euler: heh
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Wol Euler: I've greeted RudeNoob2 too.
Mickorod Renard: is this a sort of awake dream state with perhaps some of those qualities where the mind works free of its confinements?
Bertram Jacobus: sryy - i forgot ... :-(
Liza Deischer: hi Bert :-)
Paradise Tennant: hiya betram :)
Mickorod Renard: hi bert
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Berti
Pema Pera: well, the challenge is to not try to classify or shoehorn, but to leave it open as to what it is -- not easy, but we can try
Lia Rikugun: (sorry will have to go, have some friends over :) yaku is here too actually)
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram :)
Pema Pera: Hi Bertram!
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: bye lia
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Lia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow have fun guys :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i also have to go, take care everyone
Pema Pera: Oh what fun, Lia!
Pema Pera: bye Yaku!
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Yakuzza :)
Wol Euler: bye yaku, enjoy
Eos Amaterasu: bye Lia
Eos Amaterasu: bye yaku
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Yaku
Qt Core: bye
Agatha Macbeth: Night Lia
Pema Pera: Fefonz, do you want to comment on your after-Malta-life?
Stim Morane: bye Lia, Yaku
Mickorod Renard: nite yaku
Fefonz Quan: bye Lia, Yaku!
Paradise Tennant: tc yaku :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Lia
Paradise Tennant: bye lia
Mickorod Renard: Hi cal
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
Liza Deischer: bye lia
Liza Deischer: bye Yaku
Fefonz Quan: hey Bert
Bertram Jacobus: *smile ashamed* ...
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Calvino :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bert and Cal :)
Paradise Tennant: hiya cal :)

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: hi Cal

Bertram's account...

 

Pema Pera: Or do you want to say something about your experiences after Malta, Bertram? Most of us have already gotten a chance to talk -- and then we will throw the floor open for everyone else for comments, questions, ideas, perspectives.
Bertram Jacobus: ok
SophiaSharon Larnia: (I'll be afk for a while all, brb)
Bertram Jacobus: it was very inspiring for me ...
Bertram Jacobus: and i took very nice impressions with me
Bertram Jacobus: still enriched by them
Bertram Jacobus: met very nice people, who were seious and friendly
Bertram Jacobus: serious*
Bertram Jacobus: was a great experience
Bertram Jacobus: look forward to stuttgart ...
Bertram Jacobus: not sure but i hope
Bertram Jacobus: am thankful
Bertram Jacobus: that's all :-)
Mickorod Renard: will Stutgart be in english?
Wol Euler: depends who comes.
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: probably!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: if only germans attend, then we'll do it in german
Liza Deischer: I suggest Dutch :D
Wol Euler: otherwise english
Fefonz Quan: I hope it will mick!
Bertram Jacobus: multilingual i guess ;-)
Paradise Tennant: smiles maybe dutch english and german :) we would all learn
Fefonz Quan: fdsfds
Mickorod Renard: perhaps total silence,,international then
Wol Euler: (fef is having extreme delay again, I've been IMing him)
Liza Deischer: :-)
RudeNoob1: i like black people. Is there something wrong with me?
Fefonz Quan: i hope its in english, i think we already had enough german in malta :)
Wol Euler: once more and you're banned, RudeNoob1
Fefonz Quan: I apologize for being a little unattentive here, it seems i get just part of the conversation due to comm. issues
RudeNoob1: it was serious question.. though this was supposed to be an understanding group
Bertram Jacobus: may be RudeNoob1 p : may be better to like all equally ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: ("wrong") :o)
RudeNoob2: tbh, i think ebony women are the best women around no offence to the others
Bertram Jacobus: *schwupps* :o)
Wol Euler: so.
Liza Deischer: !!!
Wol Euler: I had a different and less pleasant return to "normality" actually.
Bertram Jacobus: what an ununderstanding group ! :o)
Pema Pera: please tell us, Wol !
Wol Euler: the week after the retreat was fine, but following that I slipped into a steep and deep depression.
Bertram Jacobus: ah. oh yes wol ... :-/
Wol Euler: I talked about that with Bert and Calvino on my Friday session two weeks back, and with Maxine on the weekend
Paradise Tennant: ouch wol sorry to hear that

Wol's account...Here an emotional experience is shared that has not come up in the Play as Being group before this retreat. As it turns out, this is an experience that is shared by several retreat participants. Several possible remedies to integrating intense retreat experiences are offered by the group...

 

Wol Euler: Wol Euler: I fell into a pretty deep pit of despair and self-loathing :) Maxine Walden: ah...sounds very painful and debilitating perhaps Wol Euler: it was pretty grim, yes. Maxine Walden: do you think it had anything to do with aftermath from the retreat, rebound phenomenon or something of the like? Wol Euler: exactly that, Maxine, it was a delayed effect of the retreat Wol Euler: comparing the experience there to my life here. Wol Euler: it felt absurd and hopeless to try to achieve that clarity in my RL Wol Euler: and I condemned myself for being so weak and unable
Fefonz Quan: oh, sorry to hear that Wol
Wol Euler: talking about it helped greatly.
Wol Euler: as did finding out that this kind of a let-down after a positive retreat experience is actually fairly common
Paradise Tennant: smiles talking can be very helpful :)
Pema Pera: very common indeed, Wol !
Liza Deischer: it can be
Agatha Macbeth: You'll get by with a little help from your friends :)
Wol Euler: so I wanted to talk about htat here, in case anyone else felt it and thought they were "doing something wrong" or whatever.
Mickorod Renard: I think you picked up on my feeling of loss from returning from the retreat wol, that was very kind of you
Fefonz Quan: yes, the hangover afer the high...
Wol Euler: I certainly thought that I'd "failed" somehow after the retreat
Wol Euler nods to Mick.
Gaya Ethaniel: I noticed Wol feeling pretty low soon after the retreat and commented that such experience isn't uncommon. Of course, I wasn’t entirely sure if this was the case but suggested as I had similar experiences, both after retreats or hectic long-haul business trips, in terms of intensity and disorienting effects.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not a teacher or an experienced practitioner - so wasn't advising Wol what to do but pointing out potential instructiveness of such experience in that one may need to make some adjustments in daily life to have more "spaciousness" in terms of after-retreats. I heard about some decluttering going on at Wol's so maybe it was part of it :)
Wol Euler smiles and nods. Thank you, Gaya, you were the first to ask :)
Gaya Ethaniel: *hugs*
Wol Euler: did I enjoy the retreat? yes.
Wol Euler: would I sign up for another, even after that pit of despair? yes.
Bertram Jacobus: often the best suffer most - why may that be ? ...
Wol Euler smiles and shrugs
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Pema Pera: is there any advice you would give future first-time retreaters, Wol, as to what to possibly expect and how to deal with that?
Mickorod Renard: sensitiveness, a lovely quality
Bertram Jacobus: yes mick, but hard to learn with it
Liza Deischer: nods
Bertram Jacobus: but may be most effective at the same time
Fefonz Quan thinks it is one down side of SL-RL retreats, in most retreats you can meet in RL wirh some of the people afterwards, while on our retreat getting back to SL mode can be very lonely
Wol Euler: yes: know that it is possible if not actually *probable* that you will suffer some kind of backlash when you return to "normality"
Wol Euler: that is part of it too!
Wol Euler: I think it is very important to have a community back in your outside life, to return to.
Wol Euler: missing that was a great part of my distress
Bertram Jacobus: i consider friends as important generally

--BELL--

Wol Euler: feeling socially incompetent
Eos Amaterasu: SL community will have to do?
Pema Pera: (now that we're in our second hour, anybody should feel free to join in the conversation)
Paradise Tennant: smiles . no one is socially competent .. when it comes down to it really .
Mickorod Renard: I have reflected on this, and I have pondered on whether I am becoming isolated from general folk around me, because they dont share the same interests and as such cannot join in what i believe is an interesting dialogue
Wol Euler: yes, any community would do, I think, but you (the future first-timer) must use it.
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so maybe there are things you will do now to develop that, Wol? For me your experience paralleled times I could think of when I became acutely aware of a need for integration... changes ...
Liza Deischer: it is not much different in rl
Eliza Madrigal: and began to do those things... like it shines a light on things you've just been coping with...
Wol Euler: true :)
Wol Euler: I realized that my RL had become quite shallow, SL has taken over much of my emotional life. I've let contacts outside SL slip
Wol Euler: yes, eliza, that's exactly it.
Liza Deischer: but as Mick already said, you change
Liza Deischer: so your contacts will change too
Liza Deischer: if you choose to be in a group like this, examining yourself, it happens
Liza Deischer: i guess it is important to realize
Mickorod Renard: I have found in my reintergration with the RL I am sort of intergrated but like an outside observer too
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Liza Deischer: yes, I know the feeling :-)
Qt Core: been that way for many years, mick
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eos Amaterasu: YOu're no longer in just mouselook in RL
Gaya Ethaniel: I think giving an option to participants to take off a few days to a week in SL if anyone needs to have someo quiet time to reflect and let experiences sink in.
Paradise Tennant: most of the people on my friends lists I have met in rl .. I very much consider sl friends to be rl friends too :) on some levels from some perspectives .. we are all richer for the international connections :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Eos
Liza Deischer: great comparison Eos :-)
Wol Euler: :)))
Pema Pera: yes indeed!
Gaya Ethaniel: (-- is my suggestion.)
Pema Pera: we learn new degrees of freedom, like camera positions :)
Eos Amaterasu: An SL retreat, Gaya?
Gaya Ethaniel: After a retreat whether RL or SL, I like having minimal things to do in terms of obligation ...
Fefonz Quan: I would suspect those effects might become even harder with SL retreats
Gaya Ethaniel: So at PaB, those with GoC or other duties can have options to ask for replacement etc.
Gaya Ethaniel: If needed of course ... it's all individual.
Eos Amaterasu: Trick is to find the "specialness" o f retreats in ordinary life
Mickorod Renard: obligations are something I am trying to avoid at the moment
Wol Euler: I would strongly encourage retreaters to try to have a quiet and slow first week back. Didn't work for me, I was at work the day after (sunday)
Gaya Ethaniel nods.
Agatha Macbeth: I try to avoid 'em all the time Mick ;-)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Eos Amaterasu: San Francisco retreat will play with retreat life/"normal" life boundaries
Eos Amaterasu: as an "urban retreat"
Pema Pera: yes, it will be interesting to see whether that makes a difference
Pema Pera: I'm so glad you are talking about your experiences, Wol, thank you very much indeed -- and we should make sure to tell future retreaters to not be shy to talk about similar experiences, whatever they may be
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye for now all :)
Eliza Madrigal: One thing Wol and the group one day discussed, was that the 'drop' feeling also speaks to the value of the retreats and time in shared company... so in a way, though it feels terrible... maybe almost a good terrible
Paradise Tennant: in a way .. even if there is a let down coming back to the regular work rl reality . it is kind of like .. you have a cupboard of little treasure that you can take out and reflect on in quiet moments that help :)
Wol Euler nods
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sharon :)
Wol Euler: bye sharon, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Night SSL
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Sharon :)
Fefonz Quan: Bye Sophia!
Pema Pera: nobody is unique, for better or worse, these reactions are just all human
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Mickorod Renard: I think we formed a bond,,that is always a risk
Stim Morane: Bye Sharon
Paradise Tennant: waves bye sharon
Liza Deischer: nite sharon
Mickorod Renard: bye Sophia
Qt Core: bye sharon
Pema Pera: yes!!! @ ELiza & Paradise
Gilles Kuhn: i think all human are unique pema more a organism or a thought is complex more it is unique
Qt Core: all uniques but sharing traits with many
Pema Pera: (the opposite of a great truth is a great truth, Gilles :-)
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: the retreat was good, but I never managed an organism
Gilles Kuhn: in my logic it is not so but i deem truth for me has only significance in a logical formal system apart of tat its always relative unique in sort ;-)
Eos Amaterasu could have sworn otherwise, Mick :-)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: ah, mick, now you tell us
Paradise Tennant: lol
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eos Amaterasu leans over and stares into Mick's eyes and asks, "are you alive?"

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: :-)
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Pema Pera: (an in-joke, needs explanation for the non-Maltezer crowd here! (orginating in the internet pizza place))
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Pema Pera: ((involving space travel)))
Eos Amaterasu: (opening scene of Battlestar Galactica)
Mickorod Renard: naturally
Eos Amaterasu: discovering different ways of noticing we're alive, and how we're alive
Pema Pera hearing faint echoes of "you are STUPID" . . . .
Fefonz Quan: The best scene in the show, it goes downhill from there Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hopefully that's not true of us here :-)
Mickorod Renard: I still have problems with formal meditation,,but I seem to do a form of meaditation during my regualr activities
Paradise Tennant: smiles yes same here .. while waiting in line .. in the bath tub .. just find the still spot inside :)
Mickorod Renard: rather than getting frustrated with this i am accepting it and letting it develope
Wol Euler: mmmhmm
Liza Deischer: sounds great mick
Pema Pera: that's key, Mick!
Bertram Jacobus: age of aquarius ...
Mickorod Renard: I am an age and an aquarian
Bertram Jacobus: perfect !? :-)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler: the man of the moment
Wol Euler: re-re-wb fef :)
Bertram Jacobus: sometimes it's only a question of remembering
Fefonz Quan: (hi, please ignore my rerebootings...)
Paradise Tennant: yes ..
Mickorod Renard: I would like to say, even though I can offer no reason why,,that i feel a stronger person after the retreat
Agatha Macbeth: Get a new PC Fonz ;-)
Wol Euler smiles @ Mick
Paradise Tennant: smiles at Mick ..
Mickorod Renard: and I thank you all for that
Agatha Macbeth: Hello again Eluiza :)
Liza Deischer: it shows mick
Wol Euler: awwww <3
Bertram Jacobus: feels happy becuase of mick's words ... (not only because of them, but because of them, too) :-)
Pema Pera: great, Mick, and thank you too for your inspiration in the retreat, for all of us!
Liza Deischer: wb eliza
Mickorod Renard: :)
Pema Pera: and especially your openness
Liza Deischer: bye fef
Paradise Tennant: yes !
Paradise Tennant: bye fef :)
Stim Morane: bye Fef
Mickorod Renard: bye Fef
Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonz
Pema Pera: allowing yourself to feel happier and stronger without feeling the need to escape into an explanation
Pema Pera: a need to nail it down
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, another interesting variation on my name Agatha :) Thanks .. couldn't tell if I was coming or going for a minute :)
Fefonz Quan: did i say i go? or should i do so according to the comments ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Or staying?
Wol Euler: no, please stay :)
Paradise Tennant: no please stay sorry my mistake
Mickorod Renard: thats true pema,,that is also something i am taking into rl, i dont need to justify everything
Wol Euler: true wisdom.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i did not say bye fef dear friend ... :-))
Agatha Macbeth: 'Should I stay or should I go'...
Paradise Tennant: lovely mick
Liza Deischer: you're not visible fef
Agatha Macbeth: Is he here?
Eliza Madrigal: you gotta let me know.... ;-) Ag
Liza Deischer: if he isn't we are talking ot a ghost :-)
Fefonz Quan: who? me?
Mickorod Renard: yikes,,sl is haunted
Agatha Macbeth: You like the Clash then Eliza?
Pema Pera: interestingly, if we can let ourselves be really open for nine seconds, we can do it for much longer too: the first step is the hardest
Bertram Jacobus: yes. you fef ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Yes you Fonz
Agatha Macbeth: Snap
Bertram Jacobus: |||||
Fefonz Quan: i am sitting here seeing you all
Bertram Jacobus: (5)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Where?
Liza Deischer: Ah but your name is still visibel
Pema Pera: cheshire Fef
Eliza Madrigal sees Fef
Agatha Macbeth: HG wells wrote a book about him
Pema Pera: :)
Bertram Jacobus: zoom him and see him @ all who don't see him
Pema Pera: a new religion . . . .
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Liza Deischer: yes, see him now
Liza Deischer: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Now ya see him, now ya don't
Fefonz Quan: seeing is everything ...
Mickorod Renard: I see him now
Agatha Macbeth: Being seeing?
Pema Pera: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Or sseing Being?
Bertram Jacobus: seeing is nice ...
Agatha Macbeth: seeing even
Liza Deischer: or seeing beeing
Bertram Jacobus: in which way ever
Liza Deischer: oh shoot, too late
Agatha Macbeth: Or qwer43567
Agatha Macbeth: There is no spoon
Bertram Jacobus: 43567 ...
Wol Euler: but there is a spork.
Eliza Madrigal: :) hahaha
Agatha Macbeth: There is?
Scathach Rhiadra slips quietly away
Paradise Tennant: one thing I found from going to the retreat and then having time away afterward is that the stepping back allowed me to see that alot of regular day to day life we think is so important .. is really not so important .. found I was able to be less serious about certain things .. that before I would really prioritize :) that would be a gift I would like to keep :)
Agatha Macbeth: Where?
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Scath :)
Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you Scath!! Bye
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Scath
Wol Euler: 'night scath
Mickorod Renard: nite scath
Paradise Tennant: good nite scath
Wol Euler nods to Paradise. Very true
Fefonz Quan: night scath
Pema Pera: yes, Paradise, I felt that too -- each retreat gives me a strong reminder that way
Mickorod Renard: yes, super Paradise
Agatha Macbeth: She's gone Fonz :)
Pema Pera: night Scath!

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: the perspective changes
Fefonz Quan: (shh)
Pema Pera: quick poll: how many of us here are considering attending the coming PaB retreat in San Francisco? I know of Gaya, Eos, Eliza, Stim, me; anyone else?
Wol Euler: not unless I win the lottery, alas.
Wol Euler: but I wold love to
Mickorod Renard: I was a bit concerned there would be a honeymoon period followed by disalusionment after the retreat,,but on the conrary, i feel more hunger
Agatha Macbeth: The only good poll is a deed poll
Fefonz Quan seconds Wol
Qt Core: too complicated for me
Paradise Tennant: cannot take the time .. :) alas
Paradise Tennant: would love to ! too !
Mickorod Renard: I may not cope with being in a city , and i doubt i can stretch the funds for the flights etc
Liza Deischer: I have a question of which I don't know if it is a question :-)
Wol Euler: ask it and find out :)
Eliza Madrigal: You know at first I wasn't fond of the idea of an urban retreat... but find myself more curious to see... for exactly the things we talked about today... rl/sl/meditation life interplay and integration, etc
Eliza Madrigal: (oh, sorry Liza... listening)
Liza Deischer: a lot seem to be in a retreat or going to a retreat
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps we have an answer which isn't an answer ;-)
Liza Deischer: but some don't
Liza Deischer: I don't know how that is going to effect the group
Wol Euler giggles. Nice, aggers.
Agatha Macbeth: You know me :)
Pema Pera: :)
Liza Deischer: but I'm one that is able too
Mickorod Renard: malta was a mix
Liza Deischer: isn't able
Mickorod Renard: both rural quiet and towns
Liza Deischer: to :-)
Eos Amaterasu: Perhaps short weekend retreats done RL solo but SL together
Gaya Ethaniel is already thinking about how to duck questions from Pema ^^;;;
Wol Euler: heheheh
Pema Pera hopes that Liza's typo was her real intention speaking :-)
Wol Euler: your subconscious wants you to go :)
Liza Deischer: oh, I would like to, but no chance I'm afraid
Paradise Tennant: weekend retreats are a great idea
Eliza Madrigal: there are those who might choose to organize a retreat where they are, too
Bertram Jacobus: why is that liza ?
Pema Pera: Liza, I hope that those who can go will enrich those who can't go with their reports and that in turn those who can't go will help the others to integrate and reintegrate
Wol Euler: yes, that's the cheap way to get to attend one!
Liza Deischer: it is not about cheap
Wol Euler: I know :)
Liza Deischer: (that too, but anyway.....)
Wol Euler waves a small flag with the word "Joke" printed on it.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Liza Deischer: It is a question and I don't know the answer myself
Agatha Macbeth: 42
Fefonz Quan: 43
Paradise Tennant: lol the answer agatha :)
Wol Euler: Archmage said something like that, as we were talking about the retreat a month ago.
Mickorod Renard: well, I guess all the retreats are an exploration
Mickorod Renard: and perhaps an adventure
Eliza Madrigal: I've thought a bit about this too... come to the conclusion that if I'd never attended a retreat/never planned to, I'd still find pab exciting and perhaps enhanced by the depth the rl interractions bring back... stretching, in a way
Bertram Jacobus: but didn't you do other retreats before liza ?
Liza Deischer: it is not abou the retreat, it is about the group
Liza Deischer: you build up something together
Liza Deischer: that is only shared by the ones that were there or have a similar experience within the group
Fefonz Quan: now i should really go to sleep, good night all :)
Wol Euler: you worry that there might be a two-tier system developing?
Liza Deischer: bye fonz
Eliza Madrigal nods... and each person finds their comfort levels... agree Liza... important
Gaya Ethaniel: Good night Fefonz :)
Bertram Jacobus: nighty nite fef
Wol Euler: goodnight fef
Eos Amaterasu: 'night fef
Mickorod Renard: nite nite Fef
Stim Morane: by fonz
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Fonzie
Pema Pera: nite Fef!
Liza Deischer: yes Wol
Eliza Madrigal: Nite Fef :)
Liza Deischer: and maybe I'm wrong
Paradise Tennant: I think regardless of circumstance or constraints you can use the concept of retreats and many of the same structures that make up one at home .. interjected with interreaction online .. would not be as personable but still would provide a basis for exploration :)
Fefonz Quan: (and i'll go over the log to see all teh lines i've missed in the last 2 hours)
Wol Euler: heh
Paradise Tennant: bye fef for real this time :)
Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: _/!\_
Wol Euler: it is a good question, I think.
Eos Amaterasu: Hopefully all guardians can do RL retreats one way or the other (or equiv)
Liza Deischer: I ask, because Pema has been talking about seeing the contours of Pab
Eliza Madrigal: good point too, Paradise, and yes agree Wol
Wol Euler: perhaps Play as Being-in-SL needs some active practices and exercises, as we did.
Liza Deischer: and the intensity it takes
Paradise Tennant: yes wol !
Eliza Madrigal nods
Pema Pera: interesting point, Wol !
Mickorod Renard: yes wol
Wol Euler: so that there could be an analog here in SL to the intensity and practicality of what we do in RL
Pema Pera: yes
Wol Euler: guided exercises, maybe
Liza Deischer: yes could be
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eos Amaterasu wonders if you need to keep the RL in a retreat mode at the same time as the communal SL retreat mode
Liza Deischer: but I had a little conversation with Eliza about our experiment, and actually I missed the group-feeling
Eos Amaterasu: ie, time commitment
Pema Pera: the one problem is that it is far harder to have feedback, though -- especially with newbies who may wonder in and get unexpected reactions to visualizations, say
Mickorod Renard: without wishing to complicate timetables,,I think that wud need to be done in a more private sl setting
Eos Amaterasu: SL retreat land
Mickorod Renard: yes

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: there are prob many ways to go about it...
Gaya Ethaniel: Time to go :) Nice seeing everyone. Enjoy your weekend!
Mickorod Renard: nite gaya
Wol Euler: bye gaya, take care
Qt Core: bye Gaya
Mickorod Renard: and u Gaya
Agatha Macbeth: BFN Gaya
Stim Morane: bye Gaya
Eliza Madrigal: :)Gaya
Liza Deischer: bye gaya
Liza Deischer: that group-feeling may be a matter of time, I don't know
Pema Pera: I'll have to go too -- taking a train from Princeton to New York, then dinner, then four hours from now I have my goc session :)
Eos Amaterasu must go; bye
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema :)
Liza Deischer: bye Pema
Stim Morane: bye Pema
Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the evening
Qt Core: bye Pema, Eos
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eos :)
Paradise Tennant: good bye pema eos :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Pema
Wol Euler: bye eos, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Pem, Eos
Pema Pera: great two hours, thank you all !
Mickorod Renard: Bye Eos
Mickorod Renard: Thankyou
Pema Pera: Liza, we can take up your question at a later session
Pema Pera: it's a very important one
Wol Euler nods
Liza Deischer: okay pema
Pema Pera: bfn
Eliza Madrigal: yes... certainly may fit in with the idea of SL retreats, too
Mickorod Renard: I need to go too,,nite nite all,,be well
Eliza Madrigal: a longer stretch for a meditation/vizualization then discussion... etc
Wol Euler: bye mick, sleep well
Qt Core: 'night Mick
Eliza Madrigal: Nite Mick
Stim Morane: bye Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Tata Mick
Paradise Tennant: bye mick nite nite
Eliza Madrigal: My eyes are stingy.... think I need a smaller monitor :) Thanks everyone! Nice session!
Paradise Tennant: good nite eliza
Paradise Tennant: :)
Wol Euler: turn down the brightness :)
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Eliza :))
Wol Euler: goodnight eliza, take care
Liza Deischer: nite eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Get a bigger one!
Eliza Madrigal: Yes... will do that Wol! Good idea
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Stim Morane: Bye, Eliza
Wol Euler: less brighness, more contrast
Eliza Madrigal: Bye everyone *Hugs*
Stim Morane: I too must go. Bye everyone!
Eliza Madrigal takes note of Wol's advice :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Stim
Wol Euler: 'night stim, enjoy the weekened
Paradise Tennant: good nite stime :)
Liza Deischer: bye Stim
Qt Core: you know, since i bought a bigger monitor i have problem when i stop looking at it, focusing problems as i got used to the larger angle
Wol Euler: huh
Agatha Macbeth: How big is yours QT? ;-)
Qt Core: 22 16:10
Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
Agatha Macbeth: Nanu nanu
Qt Core: after 17 years with a faithfull 17 crt it was time ;-)
Wol Euler: wow
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, CRTs
Bertram Jacobus: to me, liza, the group is mostly a kind of "helper" , like sangha . and no difference in that whether somebody was at a retreat or not . the only thing to me here may be : it made my impressions even a bit more intense ...
Wol Euler: mind you, monitors last forever.
Agatha Macbeth: Some do....
Paradise Tennant: smiles very good point bert :)
Liza Deischer: that could be the difference Bertram
Qt Core: i still have it around... can't find.... the strenght to move those 22 Kg :-)
Agatha Macbeth grins at Bert
Wol Euler: I think there is a risk of a two-tier feeling developing, though. We should consider now to keep the larger group integrated
Agatha Macbeth: You can do it QT
Liza Deischer: sometimes it is a slowly process
Liza Deischer: maybe not leaving people out, but keeping poeple out, if you get my drift
Paradise Tennant: maybe have an sl portion to every retreat so everyone gets a chance to be there for some part of it
Paradise Tennant: like a live stream on a music jam
Wol Euler: I thought rather that those who don't go on retreats feel "left behind"
Paradise Tennant: :)
Qt Core: or just people feeling out
Liza Deischer: yes wol, I guess we need to be aware of the possibility
Wol Euler: I'd been thinking about your question, and said "but I don't feel privileged" -- and realized that this thought is the EXPRESSION of privilege :)
Bertram Jacobus: i can't surpress one thought : "matter of perspective" ...
Liza Deischer: sure Bert
Wol Euler: like a rich white male saying "but it makes no difference that I am a rich white male"
Liza Deischer: :-)
Wol Euler: wars are fought over perspectives, Bert :)
Liza Deischer: that is a nice subtle comparison
Bertram Jacobus: yes wol. and there are also people who did not fight because of it
Wol Euler: of course
Liza Deischer: I don't think that is the point Bert
Liza Deischer: (was that really english or dutch?)
Bertram Jacobus: i understand
Bertram Jacobus: which language ever that has been
Liza Deischer: :-)
Wol Euler: :)

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: I just felt the need to mention it, not because I'm scared for it, but if it happens, it happens slowly
Liza Deischer: and then suddenly you wake up and feel things have changed and you don't understand why
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: well, we seem to have arrived at a natural end.
Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i'll leave - ty all , have a very good time please and - may all beings be happy (!) ...
Wol Euler: so perhaps it's time for a final round of
Liza Deischer: yes, I think so too
Wol Euler: onigokko
Paradise Tennant: smiles thank you all :) I appreicate the thoughts lol
Wol Euler: oops
Wol Euler: sorry
Wol Euler: stop
Wol Euler: I thought I was wearing mine
Agatha Macbeth: HAHAHAHAHA
Paradise Tennant: lol
Wol Euler: do you have one, paradise?
Agatha Macbeth: You do feel a fool when.....
Paradise Tennant: yes but always forget how to spell it so have trouble finding it
Agatha Macbeth: Two k's Para :)
Wol Euler: I made a folder in "body parts" called "standard wol" and put it in there, with my favourite eyes and skin
Wol Euler: so I just put on the folder
Paradise Tennant: ahh good idea
Agatha Macbeth: Is thetre a 'standard Wol'?
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: there
Wol Euler: the red shaggy hair, my other favourite skin, onigokko, a facelight
Wol Euler: and this shape of course
Wol Euler: onigokko
Agatha Macbeth: No clothes?
Wol Euler: nope, I change too often for htem to be favourited
Wol Euler: but I have them in folders too
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, there is that
Paradise Tennant: suspects wol's closet is much better organized than hers :)
Wol Euler: it's certainly better organized than my RL closets!
Agatha Macbeth: Or mine....
Wol Euler: stop
Agatha Macbeth: Phew
Paradise Tennant: lol
Wol Euler: thank you, my dears, that was great fun as always.
Agatha Macbeth: Hmmm
Paradise Tennant: yes good nite all :) be well :) namaste !
Wol Euler: I should go too, work tomorrow :/
Wol Euler: bye paradise, take care
Wol Euler: goodnight all!
Liza Deischer: bye paradise, wol
Qt Core: great session[s], night all
Agatha Macbeth waves
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Calvino Rabeni: likewise good night
Liza Deischer: bye QT
Liza Deischer: cal
Liza Deischer: bye Gilles
Liza Deischer: bye cal
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Liza Deischer: Namaste
Liza Deischer: namaste
Calvino Rabeni: ****Howlllzzzzzzzz****
Calvino Rabeni: bye
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Liza Deischer: bye cal