2009.05.03 13:00 - The intelligence of dreams/dreaming

The Guardian for this meeting was Maxine Walden. The comments are by Maxine Walden. 

This discussion continues the thread of dreaming and its relationship to many aspects of reality, a thread which we have been pursuing for a few weeks now, and which still continues to draw interest and new ideas.

Using this auto recorder and pasting it here, I have difficult editing the chatlog itself, beyond comments at the beginning and end, so will say here that among the themes we touched on were dreams as messengers from the unconscious, sometimes with messages we would as soon not know about, but dreams as also having a wisdom which is beyond our conscious intelligence, and also dreams as the vehicle in which to explore the vast inner cosmos of the unconscious regions. Also the notion of dreams as personal myths (Joseph Campbell). Thus a multi-layered image of the dream/dreamer.

   After I left the conversation it continued with discussion about various experience of light, of chakras, of energy paths -- more aspects of wisdom for us all. 

Eos Amaterasu: Hi Maxine
Maxine Walden: hi, Eos
Maxine Walden: nice to see you
Eos Amaterasu: Pila mentioned you were doing a dream-themed session
Maxine Walden: yes, we have been thinking about dreams and time, and dreams and their relationship to others things such as reality...a wide-ranging discussion. You have interest in dreams?
Eos Amaterasu: Yes. It's another realm to experience your identity, whether lucidly or in memory....
Maxine Walden: hi, Scath
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Scath!
Maxine Walden: indeed, Eos.
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Maxine, Eos:)
Eos Amaterasu: And SL has some dreamlike qualities as well
Maxine Walden: doesn't it, though!
Eos Amaterasu: including ability to fly :-)
Maxine Walden: hi, Pila
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Pila
Maxine Walden: yes, Eos
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Pila, Mick
Pila Mulligan: greetings Maxine, Scath,Eos and Mick
Maxine Walden: hi, Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hiya, eos Scath Max and Pil;a
Eos Amaterasu: HI Mickorod
Maxine Walden: Eos was just mentioning how SL has dream-like qualities such as being able to fly
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, its lovely in that way
Maxine Walden: we have been exploring dreams and their relationship to reality, time and other aspects in our Sunday 1pm discussions. Think we had thought of continuing in that direction today...
Mickorod Renard: I would like that
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Pila Mulligan: yep
Mickorod Renard: I must admit to being in one of those periods where I dont remember my dreams
Maxine Walden: not a problem, Mick, I seem to be in that same place right now...it may be that several issues influence recalling dreams
Mickorod Renard: I am also in a period where i have been waking myself on purpose so as not to drop into the lucid dream mode whilst borderingg on waking
Pila Mulligan: hi Wol
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
Wol Euler: hello everyone, sorry I'm late
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol
Maxine Walden: oh? care to say more, Mick
Maxine Walden: hi, Wol, nice to see you
Mickorod Renard: Well,,I have been having dreams that are disturbing,,so its my way of avoiding them
Maxine Walden: ah...yes, taking charge in a way...
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: my control problem again
Maxine Walden: probably servingan important function, to try to not experience disturbing dreams
Mickorod Renard: well,,as long as the dreams stay in my subconcious at the moment thats fine,,I just dont want it interfearing in my concious
Maxine Walden: sometimes unconscious messages, images, that may feel disturbing to the conscious self, and it may suit very well to try to keep those elements out of awareness. But at times we may feel haunted by that as well, as if some part of our mind is tryng to 'get' us
Mickorod Renard: well, it could be an issue,,and I do ponder on it
Mickorod Renard: like for example,,forgivness
sophia Placebo: greeting all
Pila Mulligan: hi sophia
Maxine Walden: hi, sophia
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia
Wol Euler: hello sophia
Eos Amaterasu: HI Sophia
Mickorod Renard: I am trying very hard to be forgiving,,yet my dreams often try and give me an oposite mood
Mickorod Renard: oops
Mickorod Renard: Hi Sophia
Maxine Walden: mostly in my experience the dream-self tries to unify the mind...to bring difficult issues for understanding, reconciliation, etc...But what are others' experiences in this (or other) regard?
Wol Euler: I think I would agree, maxine, my dreams often seem to want to explain things to me
Maxine Walden: yes, wol...
Eos Amaterasu: Mabye the more they are ignored the more extreme they get
Mickorod Renard: Well, i did find that too,,but as i say,,for some time now they are a dark force within me
Pila Mulligan: dreams often seem to be like a riddle -- teasing for an answer
Maxine Walden: interesting thought, Eos,as fantasies grow in the dark,as it were, when they are not being recognized?
Mickorod Renard: so far, I dont want to see the answer
Wol Euler: the dreaming self is perhaps like an alt in SL, a minority personality whose view of the world doesn't necessarily coincide wiht "mine"
sophia Placebo: i really want to know how memory shelf infos,the dreams makes it look like verey unusual method\
Maxine Walden: and Mick, you are the one in charge of your experience...agree, Wol, that we may have minority aspects of self
Maxine Walden: not sure, sophia what you are asking...
Pila Mulligan: shelf = store ... as in how memory stores information?
Pila Mulligan: hi Eliza
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
Wol Euler: hello eliza
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pila, everyone :)
Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza
Wol Euler: or how it's organized and indexed, perhaps ....
sophia Placebo: i think that dreams help in some sort to organize the memory , as if you are witnissing your memory shelfing during dream
Mickorod Renard: I too wonder where all the stage props come from,,and the actors
Wol Euler: our waking self organizes by "good" or "bad" or "what happened on Tuesday", dreamlogic may use very different indexing
Wol Euler: *organizes memories
sophia Placebo: no pila , when you retain one ifo , you dont retain it alone but with many co-existing memories
Pila Mulligan: aha
Pila Mulligan: I see
sophia Placebo: that happen due to shelfing , certain ifo being tied togather
Pila Mulligan: literal shelfing then
sophia Placebo: or that what i think , not sure how i come to this
Maxine Walden: seems that several of us have given some thought to the hows of dreaming, probably from our experience?
sophia Placebo: hi eliza
Eliza Madrigal: :) Hi sophia
Mickorod Renard: my dreams often rely on completely new material,,like new places and people,,it makes me wonder whether the dream mind accesses exterior sources
sophia Placebo: true max, i had a stage of memory and concentrating diffculty and was accompanied with diffrent sleep which lack dreams among other things
Pila Mulligan: some dreams seem to be onion-like, in that if you get thorugh one layer there is a slightly different layer next
Maxine Walden: interesting thought, Mick, or maybe the dream seeks 'new' material as a way to try to disguise things, to allow the dreamer to sleep or allow other organization. Dreams are rarely literal in my experience
Mickorod Renard: mmm
Maxine Walden: agree, Pila, re the layering effect
Eliza Madrigal nods
Mickorod Renard: sometimes books are like that too Pila
Pila Mulligan: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Sometimes I think we pick up on things we don't realize we do also... and they may show up in dreams ie a certain painting or person
Eliza Madrigal: they've been in our environment all along perhaps
Maxine Walden: dreams seem to carry on several functions at the same time: to organize experience, to inform the dreamer, to allow sleep, (several others) and it is intriguing to me that the 'dreamer' is so intelligent in carrying out these various functions...an inner intelligence
Eos Amaterasu: Yes, good question, who is the dreamer?
Maxine Walden: an inner intelligence which in my experience far exceeds the external (conscious) intelligence of the self
Pila Mulligan: speaking of books, Mick, there seem to be Wizard of Oz style dreams too, where what seems to be a wizard turns out to be someone behind a curtain :) (or a dragon is really more a mouse)
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Pila Mulligan: fears seem to have that Wizard of Oz technique -- they multiply their presence beyond their actual merit, so they look like a dragon, but when you face them directly you see a mouse
Eliza Madrigal: grrovy glasses Sophia ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: *groovy
Mickorod Renard: yes, i see your point now Pila,,,very true
sophia Placebo: thank you :))
Maxine Walden: sort of like the fears of the young child, bigger than life, Pila?
Eos Amaterasu: Do you face them in your dream, or afterward?
Pila Mulligan: yes, Maxine -- and also the fears od adults :)
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Ara
Pila Mulligan: I like to face fears in dreams, Eos
Wol Euler: hello ara
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Arabella
Pila Mulligan: less damaging :)
Eos Amaterasu: Pila, lucidly?
Pila Mulligan: hi ara
sophia Placebo: hi ara
Pila Mulligan: hopefully, Eos :)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hrllo Ara
Mickorod Renard: I used to love dreaming
Wol Euler: but you don't know?
Maxine Walden: when it is possible to allow thoughts about the dream when awake, sometimes things come to mind which make the dream make more sense, as if a message unencrypted
Eliza Madrigal: absolutely, Maxine. I find that fascinating, how what can seem to have little or obvious meaning can unfold
Eliza Madrigal: unto something profound
Mickorod Renard: yes,,I sometimes sit with a friend and decipher them
Maxine Walden: that inner intelligence again, slowly informing the conscious self...if we can let it unfold
Mickorod Renard: its strange,,sometimes you can dismiss some but others u know mean something
Maxine Walden: and who is the dreamer? Currently I am intrigued with the notion that the dream is a vehicle for exploration of a vast inner cosmos (like a mirror of the external cosmos) which we only are beginning to get to know
Pila Mulligan: :)
arabella Ella nods
Mickorod Renard: I often keep them awake in my mind for months,,until i have deciphered the meaning
Pila Mulligan: dreamer as astronaut :)
Eliza Madrigal: Love that picture Maxine
Maxine Walden: so dream as vehicle, but also as embodying an extraordinary intelligence...several headed aspect of the psyche?
Eos Amaterasu: who is playing as us is more than our conscious us
Maxine Walden: yes, awe re these inner aspects of the psyche...
Eliza Madrigal: An (vastly intelligent) dreamer within a dream vehicle within a dreamer?
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: but is the same super-being at work in the same manner during waking time
Maxine Walden: another type of onion, Eliza, many layered?
Eliza Madrigal: I can see that...nesting
Maxine Walden: interesting, question, Pila. Your thoughts?
Pila Mulligan: I think so, and then the question is does this being dream like me
Pila Mulligan: or is it in a non-dream, non-waking place
Eliza Madrigal: Hm
Wol Euler: that superbeing during waking life is perhaps how wu wei works ...
Pila Mulligan: :)
Maxine Walden: My current thoughts suggest that how we focus attention may determine what we can embrace when awake, and our conscious selves are likely less able to embrace the vastness which the dream may do. ...Wol, could you say more?
Wol Euler: mmmm, it was a half-formed thought. I think the superbeing can creep out during ex eptional times, when we are in flow for example
Wol Euler: because normally there is too miuch noise to hear its soft voice
Wol Euler: perhaps taht is the "doer" when we are not-doing wu wei...
Wol Euler: because it is not "us"
Maxine Walden: yes, Wol, agree...
Pila Mulligan: and what Maxine said about how we focus attention is an important element there
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Mickorod Renard: yes,,thats interesting
Maxine Walden: our focussing attention selves may be part of what we try to put aside when accessing Being...maybe allowing Being more space is somthing akin to allowing the space for the vastness of the dreaming function
Pila Mulligan: many things compete with Being for our attention -- such as television, traffic, etc.
arabella Ella nods
Eos Amaterasu: even withing dreams things compete with Being :-)
sophia Placebo: common dreams=common being ?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I heard a Joseph Campbell quote the other day : "Myths are collective dreams, and dreams are personal myths."
Maxine Walden: oh, nice quote, Eliza
Wol Euler: heheheh. nice.
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
sophia Placebo: nice:)
sophia Placebo: lol we used the same word :)
arabella Ella: cool quote Eliza ... lovely
Pila Mulligan: (for the record: now a philosophical purist may question how television is not part of Being, and of course TV is part of being, but it is not part of the higher light of Being)
Eos Amaterasu: dreams help see unexamined myths.... make life worth living :-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Pila Mulligan: personal mythology is my favorite part of Campbell's work
Mickorod Renard: is he worth a read then?
Eliza Madrigal: Hehhe Pila.... yes, at some point we should experience and allow Being even while watching TV...should be 'the same' no matter what..yes?
Pila Mulligan: yes
Maxine Walden: yes, lovely part of his work
arabella Ella: could you expand perhaps Pila on what you mean by 'part of the higher light of Being'?
Pila Mulligan: should be but isn't
Pila Mulligan: television is like tunnel vision, it cuts off peripheral vision, decreasing the light seen
Eliza Madrigal: I think sometimes it can be....one turns on TV and there is a line perhaps...
Eliza Madrigal: And it ties in with everything else one is studying, etc
Pila Mulligan: my expereince has led me to pay attention to the quality of light -- and follow the higher light, when it is available
Wol Euler: agreed, TV seems the be the opposite of concentration and clarity and clear-mindedness to me
Pila Mulligan: especially advertising -- it is ahoax usually
Pila Mulligan: a hoax
Eliza Madrigal: But it does seem to dull things if a continual pattern
arabella Ella: but ... today ... aren't some programmes on TV like books or like excellent websites ... possibilities for new understanding?
Mickorod Renard: yes,,it sucks you in at the expense of other things
Pila Mulligan: sure ara
Eliza Madrigal: Yes
arabella Ella: (forget advertising of course)
Wol Euler: yes ara, but a bigger yes to mick :)
Pila Mulligan: and a bigger yes yet to forget advertising :)
Pila Mulligan: there we see the importance of seeing intent
Pila Mulligan: no matter how beautiful the ad, the intent is to sell
Eos Amaterasu: television, especialy news, tends to be reality fictionalized
Eliza Madrigal: Eos, agreed
Eliza Madrigal: I do miss Book TV, but then when I measure...I'd watch 4 hours for every 1 hr I *deeply* enjoyed or learned from. In general I don't like to put a 'bad' sign on anything though
Eos Amaterasu: whereas in a most movies it's just fiction....
Wol Euler: yes, and with the attention span and memory of a 1 yyr old child
Eos Amaterasu: which illumines reality, or could
Eos Amaterasu: something like "the wire" is superb fiction illumining reality
arabella Ella: but Eos ... surely you cannot generalise what you said to all news?
Eos Amaterasu: but teh news tends to obscure reality
sophia Placebo: sometimes i open tv to only watch advertising -usually in the break time of my personal study- so shallow and allow one thoughts to sittle
Eos Amaterasu: No, not all news....
Eos Amaterasu: but I don't think there's enough awareness of the myth-making dimension of news
Eos Amaterasu: playing as news
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eos Amaterasu: eg "mission accomplished"
Pila Mulligan: this is an old Sufi quote: 'those who tell the news tell too much'
sophia Placebo: or too less
arabella Ella: well one example of myth making in the news ... altho i may be wrong ... is the coverage of swine flu
Wol Euler: I think that one could fill the bulk of the New Yor "Times" with four or five news stories, if one was to tell them fully
arabella Ella: creating panic
sophia Placebo: which could make a mix btw truth and some poeple dreams
Wol Euler: instead of a dozen per page
Maxine Walden: have to go to another meeting in a minute or so. Nice discussion; shall we continue this open theme re dreams next wek?
Maxine Walden: Or is there a wish for another theme?
Wol Euler: yes, please, it seems to have good legs still :)
Mickorod Renard: yes please
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, I must go also. Thank you Maxine, and yes to Wol! :)
Wol Euler: (unless ayone disagrees?)
Eos Amaterasu: Also have to go....
Mickorod Renard: bye Max and Eliza
Maxine Walden: great, let's continue this theme. Is leading to good discussion.
Pila Mulligan: a joke someone sent: 'my grandpa once said a black person would be elected president when pigs fly -- and sure enough, swine flu'
Eos Amaterasu: by all, thnks
sophia Placebo: thanks max , see you later
Maxine Walden: Bye all
arabella Ella: yes please Maxine
Wol Euler: bye maxine, thank you. bye eliza and eos
arabella Ella: bye Maxine
arabella Ella: bye Eliza
Pila Mulligan: bye Maxine and Eliza, thnaks
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Maxine, Eliza, Eos
Eliza Madrigal: Bye everyone!
Wol Euler: heheheh
Mickorod Renard: bye Eos
arabella Ella: bye Eos
sophia Placebo: bye all leaving popel
Mickorod Renard: is there something on?
Scathach Rhiadra: where Mick?
arabella Ella: at Kira?
Mickorod Renard: like at Kira?
Mickorod Renard: yea
Scathach Rhiadra: um, don't think so
Mickorod Renard: ok cool
Mickorod Renard: thanks
arabella Ella: Pila ... could you elaborate on what you were saying earlier ... light Being?
Mickorod Renard: I like Stims on thursdays
arabella Ella: (or have i got it wrong) ooops shhhh apologies
Pila Mulligan: light has quality, arabella -- for example, consider the soft colors and shadows of an afternoon in the park, and compare that with the glare in a room where the only light comes from a television
arabella Ella: yes very true
Scathach Rhiadra: I must go too, Namasté
Wol Euler: bye scath, goodnight
arabella Ella: but ... i sometimes find telley a source of understanding
Pila Mulligan: bye Scath
Mickorod Renard: bye Scath
arabella Ella: ciao Scath
Pila Mulligan: yes, the content may be informative, but the light itself is of a lesser quality
arabella Ella: yes definitely athough
Mickorod Renard: light seems very fundamental i think
arabella Ella: i am fortunate that i live in a warm climate with long days and lovely light so i know what you mean
Pila Mulligan: in my expereince there are similar contrasts in the quality of light, obvious or subtle, in many situations
arabella Ella: i dont think i could ever live for long time in countries with short days
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: you get used to it, and they have their charms too.
arabella Ella: do you have short days Pila where you are?
Mickorod Renard: people in the Uk suffer from SAD
arabella Ella nods
Wol Euler: the hours and hours of twilight, for instance.
arabella Ella: we do not have twighlight here
Wol Euler: sunsets in winter take hours!
Pila Mulligan: well, maybe an hour's difference in time -- I am also in a tropical area
arabella Ella: and you have longer summer days Wol and Micko
Wol Euler: yep
arabella Ella: i love your twighlight ... here it suddenly gets dark at night
arabella Ella: very different
Pila Mulligan: yes, tropical sunsets seem very fast
arabella Ella: but i love light
arabella Ella: i have heard it said that some people enjoy going to the cinema in winter on dull days to get their dose of light ... not sure whether it is effective though
Pila Mulligan: seeing the quality of light is to me one of the subtle lessons of meditation, or any practice that gets closer to Being
arabella Ella: mmmmm
sophia Placebo: pila , do you remmber you once mentioned some six aspects of self ?
sophia Placebo: it was after maxine dream workshop at kira
Pila Mulligan: perhaps in regard to the six chakras sophia?
sophia Placebo: yes , i crashed after i asked you about them
Pila Mulligan: well, they are a Hindu idea
sophia Placebo: what is it?
Pila Mulligan: found also in other culktuires, but chakra is Hindu
Pila Mulligan: they are energy centers in the body
Mickorod Renard: sounds interesting
Pila Mulligan: each associated with a partiucular type of energy
arabella Ella: could you tell us more Pila please?
Pila Mulligan: and also coicidentally aligned with nerve synapses
sophia Placebo: like healing centers like chinese medicine?
Pila Mulligan: well, like everything, chakra theory has diverse schools
Pila Mulligan: not exactly like the chinese sophia
Pila Mulligan: but related in theory
arabella Ella: is the meridian a chakra Pila?
sophia Placebo: i see
Pila Mulligan: no, it is like what a Hindu calls a nadi
Pila Mulligan: the Hindus have nadi's radiating from chakras
Pila Mulligan: where the chinese have m eridians
arabella Ella: oh ok i see
arabella Ella: so a nadi is ... ?
Pila Mulligan: an energy path, like a nerve
arabella Ella: (scuse my ignorance)
arabella Ella: so similar to a meridian it seems to me so far?
arabella Ella: (altho u say it is different ... )
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_(yoga) -- if oyu compare them they seem similar
arabella Ella: ty
Pila Mulligan: but there are differences in some details
Pila Mulligan: also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra
arabella Ella: ty
sophia Placebo: ty pila
Pila Mulligan: now I have some slightly different views than the wikipedia authors, but these are typical desciprions of chakras and nadis
arabella Ella: please go on if you could?
arabella Ella: what is your view on this then if i may ask?
Pila Mulligan: I agree with the concept, entirely
Pila Mulligan: energy centers and energy paths are undeniable in traditional and modern scinece
Pila Mulligan: we have in science nerves and nerve ganglia
Pila Mulligan: and in traditional thought we have nadis and chakras
Pila Mulligan: very close too
arabella Ella: yes?
Pila Mulligan: in how they are described
Pila Mulligan: not sure where to go fomr there :)
sophia Placebo: ancient poeple where very good observer and describers too
Pila Mulligan: chi is the energy in chinese theory that travels thru these paths
Pila Mulligan: yes, and ancient cultures accumulated observations from generation to generation for many centuries (millenia even) as they developed and refined their ideas
Pila Mulligan: Hindus use the term prana where Chionses use chi, Japanese say ki, Hawaiians say ha
Pila Mulligan: it is all the same -- breath energy
Mickorod Renard: cool
sophia Placebo: one thing i found related to these nadi is pain gate theory
Pila Mulligan: so these observations had common gorunds
Mickorod Renard: I was facinated with hinduism when the Beatles got involved
Pila Mulligan: :)
arabella Ella: @Sophia ... pain gate theory ... please tell us more ...
Pila Mulligan: sophia, owuld youliek to say more about it
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_co...theory_of_pain
sophia Placebo: cant remmber much of it , but it is about the nerve fibers that carries pain , it is action potential and its path to cause the effect we call pain , there are some pain that could be blocked by light touch , like if you hurt your finger you lick it , that what was facinating about the nadi , they choose certain points that block the pain for certain skin areas
arabella Ella: sounds intruiging
sophia Placebo: verey amazing for me , needs an aware mind
Mickorod Renard: the nerves are seen as the link between the immune system and sensory and cognitive experience
Pila Mulligan: one such place is on the bottom of the front of the foot between the two mounds behind the toes -- a friend said she expereinced little pain in two childbirths because her husband massaged there during the delivery
Mickorod Renard: I coppied that
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: sounds like reflexology Pila?
sophia Placebo: :))
Pila Mulligan: the common grounds exists among many schools it seems :)
arabella Ella: however it is a pity that western medicine seems to have lost ... forgotten ... ignored ... so much
Pila Mulligan: well, western medicine is a hostage in many ways
arabella Ella nods
Pila Mulligan: to commercial sicence
arabella Ella: exactly
Pila Mulligan: like drug comapnies
Wol Euler: and the insurance companies
Pila Mulligan: yes
Mickorod Renard: I think some cultures made huge inroads into this sort of work but when modern medicines came out,,especially for pain relief and anethetic,,it must have moved to the background
Pila Mulligan: western sceince can do magic in many ways, but I agree with Mick that it misses a lot
Pila Mulligan: and fashion also affects these things -- yoga ha srecently become more acceptable in western culture, fr example
arabella Ella: yes and so has acapuncture too
Pila Mulligan: yes
Mickorod Renard: I think there is so much to discover still,,or even re discover
arabella Ella: oh definitely
Pila Mulligan: rediscover and remmeber iwll be a large part of it
Pila Mulligan: and integrate
arabella Ella: yes ... remember what was forgotton or ignored for some time
Pila Mulligan: yep
Pila Mulligan: all traditional cultures developed a dualistic energy theory like yin and yang -- but in modern times scinece sees dual energy everyehere -- like positive and negative electricity
Pila Mulligan: they are related I'm sure
Mickorod Renard: yes,,they must be,,even good and bad
arabella Ella nods
Pila Mulligan: it is how the mind works, as well as nature
Mickorod Renard: now then,,i must think about going home
arabella Ella: yes ... dualisms ... like good and bad ... mind and body ... etc
Mickorod Renard: yes true
Pila Mulligan: bye then Mick, have a nice evening
arabella Ella: bye Mick
Mickorod Renard: thankyou,,bye folks
Wol Euler: bye mick
Wol Euler: damn, too slow
Wol Euler: actually I should go too, it's 23:30 and tomorrow is working day.
Wol Euler: thank you for a great discussion, my dears.
Wol Euler: goodnight all.
Pila Mulligan: bye Wol, sweet dreams
arabella Ella: nite Wol
arabella Ella: same time here
arabella Ella: must go too
arabella Ella: bye Pila
Pila Mulligan: bye arabella, sweet dreams also
arabella Ella: thanks and good afternoon to u ... i guess it is afternoon where u are
Pila Mulligan: 11:30 am
Pila Mulligan: :)
arabella Ella: cool ... u still got much of your sunday to go then ... enjoy ... bye
Pila Mulligan: aloha
arabella Ella: hey 12 hours time difference :)
arabella Ella: aloha
Pila Mulligan: :)