2010.02.05 13:00 - Malta - Yaku´s session

The Guardian for this meeting was Yakuzza Lethecus. The comments are by Yakuzza Lethecus.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
Liza Deischer: you're ready?
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, i dunno :)
Liza Deischer: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: in fact i try not to think too much about the week but how to appy mindfullness during workhours now
Liza Deischer: i understand
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey newcomers
Liza Deischer: hi everyone
Magic Leimes: Hi All
Lia Rikugun: hello everybody
Bone Darkmatter: hello hello.
Bertram Jacobus: hy everybody ! ... :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey lia
Lia Rikugun: hey yakku ;)
Lia Rikugun: yaku one k only :)
Bertram Jacobus: but two zz :o)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Bertram Jacobus: do i have chat lag ? ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: i wrote : but with two zz ;-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: that came through :)
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: you're fine, no lag i guess
Magic Leimes: Hi Agatha
Lia Rikugun: hello agatha
Liza Deischer: hi agatha
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey stim,aga,storm
Liza Deischer: hi stim, storm
Agatha Macbeth: Hello all
Bertram Jacobus: hello agatha, stim and storm :-)
Lia Rikugun: hello stim and storm
Liza Deischer: eh stim
Liza Deischer: that is not going to work I'm afraid
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh that looks nice :)
Stim Morane: hi everyone
Storm Nordwind: Hi there all
Lia Rikugun: hello bolonath
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bolo
Liza Deischer: Stim, you're in my body
Bertram Jacobus: hy bolonath ! :-)
Lia Rikugun: ups two in one seat :)
Liza Deischer: STIM
Lia Rikugun: HAHA
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bolo,pema
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, i'll try to start :)
Agatha Macbeth: PaB hybrid? :)
Pema Pera: Hi All!
Lia Rikugun: hello pema
Agatha Macbeth: Evening Pem
Bertram Jacobus: hi pema ! :-)
Lia Rikugun: so liza and stim are sharing one seat
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: Ah but whose seat? ;-)
Liza Deischer: thank you
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Liza Deischer: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so when i flew to malta it was really exciting since i never flew before and had check how the whole check in, luggage system worked
Liza Deischer: I feel like Liza again :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: that was even one of my first experiences, i booked my flight from sunday to sunday like bertram because it was cheaper in that way
Yakuzza Lethecus: on the first day arabella and mick collected bertram and me at the airport, i didn't even had their cellphone numbers
Yakuzza Lethecus: ähm
Wol Euler waves a silent hello
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: only bertram if something would go wrong
Bertram Jacobus: waves silent to wol ;-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey, ara,bert
Yakuzza Lethecus: wol i mean
arabella Ella: Hiya Everyone!
Bertram Jacobus: huhu ara :-)
arabella Ella: Hey Yaku!
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara
Liza Deischer: hi wol, ara
Yakuzza Lethecus: so mick and ara picked us up and drove us directly to rabat where we had the opportunity to visit the silent city right away
Yakuzza Lethecus: mdina
Pema Pera: ah, you were ahead of us all ?!?
Yakuzza Lethecus: in mdina
Bertram Jacobus: (yes)
Yakuzza Lethecus: but you eos,mick already arrived
Bertram Jacobus: (in rabat ahead)
arabella Ella: but the rest were in St Julians ... Paradise too
Pema Pera: (but in a noisy city, us!)
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i have to admit i was a bit jealous because i was also curious about pema :P
Pema Pera: (which was also fun)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: because half the group already met there
Yakuzza Lethecus: so bert and i had the opportunity to explore rabat a bit on our own the first 2 days :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: on monday we all met and visited the hypogeum, sadly without wol whose flight got canceled
Yakuzza Lethecus: when i met pema all my ,,fearfull exciting curiousity" was blown away
Wol Euler sobs quietly.
Yakuzza Lethecus: because i was constantly thinking ,,a professor from princeton" :P
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
Pema Pera: :)
arabella Ella: :)
Bertram Jacobus tries to comfort wol ... ;-)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Bertram Jacobus: hy eos :-)
Wol Euler: awww :)
Eos Amaterasu: hi all
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eos
Liza Deischer: hi eos
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Eos
Yakuzza Lethecus: so in had a meeting at the farmhouse for 2-3 hrs even on the first day and it was really nice to see so many nice ppl
Yakuzza Lethecus: nobody turned out to be worse then expected :P
Storm Nordwind chuckles
Liza Deischer: :-)
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Bertram Jacobus: :o))
Pema Pera is wondering what Yaku expected . . . .
Wol Euler: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh it was complicated
Yakuzza Lethecus: just a bit scared :)
arabella Ella: long red hair of course :)
Pema Pera: hehehe
Yakuzza Lethecus: lol
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, my thougths "i still don't really know what play as being is all about", "does my english work in real life" , "they are all so old"
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Stim Morane: :)
Wol Euler snorts
Storm Nordwind: pah!
Yakuzza Lethecus: so many tiny things that take out my "being in the moment" LOL
Yakuzza Lethecus: so i think i started by being relativly quiet when we met at the farmhouse for the first time
Yakuzza Lethecus: and when i had something in mind, i thought that i just talked to fast
Yakuzza Lethecus: there were so many things i learned about pab and the individual practices during the week
arabella Ella: but your English and pronunciation is perfect Yaku!
Yakuzza Lethecus: for example that pab got its origins in stim/Tarthang Tulku's TSK book
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least in parts
Yakuzza Lethecus: in fact i was wondering when there was a part in the book when 4 times practice a day was mentioned and i had a thought in that direction
Pema Pera: no, that is new :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: what is new ?
Pema Pera: the words "play as Being" appeared on the last page
Pema Pera: the 4 times a day practice
Pema Pera: or almost anything else in PaB
Pema Pera: the notion of "Being" and the name "Play as Being" come from the book
Pema Pera: other than that, it is independent
Pema Pera: (answers to "what is new")
Pema Pera: (what is new is 4 times a day practice, and almost anything else in PaB)
Eos Amaterasu: [13:23] Pema Pera: the words "play as Being" appeared on the last page : start at the end :-)
Pema Pera: indeed!
Yakuzza Lethecus: If this exercise is practiced in forty-five minute sessions four times a day, it will assist in an appreciation of
Yakuzza Lethecus: sorry, i just had to check for that :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: page 189
Pema Pera: ah, yes, that was one of the dozens of exercises
Pema Pera: but not meant to be done every 6 hours
Pema Pera: I had never made a connection :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hehe, it was just an association :)
arabella Ella: interesting :)
Pema Pera: the muslim prayer connection may be more direct :-)
Pema Pera: a bit more than four times a day, though
Bertram Jacobus: five times ? ;-)
Pema Pera: yup :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, now i don't know where to go on :)
Lia Rikugun: what was your most fascinating experience during the retreat yaku?
Eos Amaterasu: (sorry, have to leave - I like your rock star keyboarding style, yaku!)
Wol Euler: :)))
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bertram Jacobus: bye eos ...
arabella Ella: bye Eos ... nite
Eos Amaterasu: bye all, sorry to go
Wol Euler: bye eos, have a good weekend
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eos
Agatha Macbeth: C ya eos
Liza Deischer: :-)
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: most facinating was obviously the silent day
Pema Pera: in what way, Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: the waitress in the morning, the attemps to communicate in a different way
Yakuzza Lethecus: many thoughts about what it really mean to be silent
Yakuzza Lethecus: because i thought in language all day long
arabella Ella: and you had some interesting observations too Yaku like the one about Eos on the silent day
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i was amazed how eos was settled down in himself
Yakuzza Lethecus: even more facinating then pema
Lia Rikugun: ;)
Yakuzza Lethecus: the day after the silent day i thought they are kind of a good team
Pema Pera: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: pema as a moderator and eos as the truely settled example of what appreaciation is all about
Pema Pera: (but we all were a team: many of the practices were suggested by others!)
Yakuzza Lethecus: for me the whole concept of pab was still a bit strange, even when i have a guardian slot around here
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: what way strange Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: sitting in a circle in a virtual world every evening between chat and i dunno
Liza Deischer: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it's hard to explain
Yakuzza Lethecus: there are just emotions that it feels interesting and gives something to me
Yakuzza Lethecus: while i just can't explain what in words
Lia Rikugun: thats great
Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Ya :)
Eliza Madrigal would like an 'A bit strange' tag ;-)
Zen Arado: you are explaining it well Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: so a working concept is that it's learning a language of the own awareness
Yakuzza Lethecus: that counts for me and it's exactly the same for wok,pab,tsk for me
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't even differ between those workshops
Yakuzza Lethecus: back to malta :)
Lia Rikugun: yeay!
Zen Arado: awareness is the main thing isn't it?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i believe so
Yakuzza Lethecus: on malta there were even little moments when for example fefonz mentioned that he likes to sit in a different place every day
Yakuzza Lethecus: just to change his perspective
Yakuzza Lethecus: any questions about malta i don't know what i should talk about right now :)
arabella Ella: what did you do on the morning of the silent day Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was walking in the direction of the sea but not as far as eos and pema later
arabella Ella: ah
Yakuzza Lethecus: then i enjoyed the sun, which was only really strong that day
arabella Ella: yes that must have been our warmest day during the retreat
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: questions please :)
arabella Ella: what did you think of the various exercises we did led by Lia, Bert and Fefonz?
Bolonath Crystal: what kind of exercises were these?
arabella Ella: different types of meditation (some visualization) practice
Bolonath Crystal: ah, thx :)
Zen Arado: did you do much meditation and how did you find it Yaku?
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least i tried, for example we tried to meditate while holding hands
Yakuzza Lethecus: or bert did "chanting???"
arabella Ella: chanting ... Ommmmmmm
Lia Rikugun: yes this was very beautiful
Yakuzza Lethecus: and we tried to do the same but he was fast and was very rhythmic
Bertram Jacobus: ( i would call it recitation what i did) ...
arabella Ella: ah
Yakuzza Lethecus: we all visited lia's happy place :)
arabella Ella: yesssss
arabella Ella: that was so lovely, she described it beautifuly yesterday here at PaB
Yakuzza Lethecus: i considered me even more as watching what happended and i tried to understand and to integrate the things i saw
Yakuzza Lethecus: even if i can or if i am even supposed to understand everything
Wol Euler smiles and shakes her head.
Yakuzza Lethecus: can we really describe everything in words, what does budda nature mean, do we all know moment's when we already found our budda nature ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: just not allowing ourselves to get back to that
Yakuzza Lethecus: so are we grasping for something maybe getting upset for not finding it while the key is to loose all grasping and being and appreciate where we are
Lia Rikugun: i like that
Zen Arado: yes great stuff Yaku
Zen Arado: " loose all grasping and being and appreciate where we are" - really like that
Eliza Madrigal: :)))
arabella Ella: please go on Yaku this is so lovely :)
Bolonath Crystal: sorry, i have to leave. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts, yak :) om shanti
Wol Euler: bye bolo, enjoy the weekend
Liza Deischer: bye bolo
Bertram Jacobus: bye bolonath ... :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bolo
Zen Arado: bye Bolo
Agatha Macbeth: Night bolo
Stim Morane: bye bolo
Pema Pera: yes, Yaku, a great summary!
Bertram Jacobus: nice yaku - ty for sharing ! ...
Pema Pera: (I will have to quietly leave too -- thank you Yaku for sharing your experiences!!)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
arabella Ella: bye Pema
Zen Arado: bye pema
Wol Euler: bye pema, takec are
Bertram Jacobus: bye pema ... :-)
Liza Deischer: bye Pema
Pema Pera: bye everybody
Agatha Macbeth: Sayonara Pem
Yakuzza Lethecus: so another issue was the ability to keep everything present
Yakuzza Lethecus: the week was very nice and everyone had time to listen to everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: how to appy something like that in real life
Bertram Jacobus: (sry - i'll leave too now) ... ty again !
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert
arabella Ella: nite Bert
Zen Arado: bye Bert :)
Wol Euler: bye bert, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Nite Berti
Yakuzza Lethecus: so that was even during the week one of my concerns
--BELL--
Lia Rikugun: yes me too :)
Bone Darkmatter: (I'm out, too, thanks a lot.)
Liza Deischer: bye bone
arabella Ella: nite Bone
Zen Arado: all of us all the time I would say :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: nite bone
Zen Arado: bye Bone
Wol Euler: bye bone, bye lia
Agatha Macbeth: BFN Bone, and Lia
Lia Rikugun: there seems to be a big difference to daily life
Magic Leimes: take care everyone....bye
Lia Rikugun: but i think thats the challenge too :) to continue like on the retreat
arabella Ella: yes it is one of my concerns too
Wol Euler nods
arabella Ella: nite Magic
Liza Deischer: bye Magic
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Magic
Zen Arado: nite Magic
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye magic
Liza Deischer: what do you need to be able to integrate it in your life
Liza Deischer: ?
Lia Rikugun: (will leave too, thank you yaku, danke! and good night)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye lia
Liza Deischer: bye lia
Zen Arado: bye Lia
Wol Euler: 'night lia
Stim Morane: I must go as well. Thanks very much, everyone!
arabella Ella: nite Lia
Yakuzza Lethecus: this openness non grasping
arabella Ella: nite Stim
Wol Euler: bye stim, take care
Agatha Macbeth: (Again) :)
Liza Deischer: bye stim
Zen Arado: bye Stim
Agatha Macbeth: C ya stim
Eliza Madrigal: Maybe when on retreat we allow ourselves time we might learn to set aside otherwise, too....
Yakuzza Lethecus: trust
Yakuzza Lethecus: in real life i don't trust ppl that much
Liza Deischer: but what do you need to stay there?
Liza Deischer: can PaB do anything?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don't even talk about being in such a place here on second life
Yakuzza Lethecus: since i flew to malta i just told ppl that i am interested in philosophy and i knew em from second life
Yakuzza Lethecus: but not from a place with ppl interested in contemplation,spirituality and there is still this issue about feeling something postive while being unable to define what
Eliza Madrigal nods
Wol Euler: perhaps just enjoy it without seeking to define?
Storm Nordwind slips away quietly and appreciatively
Zen Arado: nods to Wol
Wol Euler: bye storm
arabella Ella: bye Storm
Liza Deischer: bye storm
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Storm
Eliza Madrigal: For some of us maybe being able to articulate comes later...
Yakuzza Lethecus: we even had the point that it´s more important to ask our questions then ,,knowing" :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: during the reatreat
Wol Euler: perhaps it isn't yet time for you to know what it is :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler: just that it *is*
Liza Deischer: all true, but it is known that the atmosphere of a retreat can slip away
Liza Deischer: I'm just wondering if there is anything that can be done to keep remembering
Zen Arado: it sure does
arabella Ella: Liza we have yet another session in four weeks time here to discuss how things went with each of us ... a session all together
Yakuzza Lethecus: nods, real life is so different, i even think about not listen to the news every day
Liza Deischer: ok ara
Eliza Madrigal: And you'll each talk about what you might have kept up with in RL, Ara?
Liza Deischer: it is easy to be dragged away
arabella Ella: it's difficult at this stage to know what we'll take about but we will have the perspective of 4 weeks post event
Liza Deischer: o to be arried away
Agatha Macbeth: Don't get your feet wet dear
Liza Deischer: carried
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Anonymous
Wol Euler: hello Anonymous, take a cushion and join us
Agatha Macbeth: That's called a 'fountain'
Wol Euler: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think it is one of the interesting questions... what 'remains' a strong emphasis on one's life after such an experience...
Agatha Macbeth: (All these technical terms)
Eliza Madrigal: maybe can't predict what that will be
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for sharing so much, Ya
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Zen Arado: it works something deep within us I think
Eliza Madrigal nods, yes seems to Zen
Yakuzza Lethecus: it's complicated, it's this paradox that "grasping" something which we haven't reached is something we shouldn't grasp for since grasping destroys it so how to habituate "just being"
Yakuzza Lethecus: and how much "grasping is allowed" :)
Zen Arado: that is the koan....
Wol Euler: hello cheshire, take a seat.
Zen Arado: more of a seeing and letting go ?
Eliza Madrigal: hmm, nods
--BELL--
Yakuzza Lethecus: when i turn on the media i just get frightened because i don't know how to find the truth about the news, "is the economy going to get worse since we have big businesses playing with virtual money and investment banks creating virtual value through algorithmic online trading"
Yakuzza Lethecus: i mean there are so many ways to get myself in a fearful state
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Wol Euler nods.
Zen Arado: yes
Liza Deischer: yes
Eliza Madrigal: that fearful state can be a kind of addiction, almost...
arabella Ella: but remember what Eos said about questions being important not answers
Liza Deischer: You mentioned trust Yaku?
Liza Deischer: is that in other poeple, or more in yourself?
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, in real life i never know whom i can really trust neither myself
Yakuzza Lethecus: i like even being here since it's "for free", they don't want my money
Liza Deischer: :-)
Yakuzza Lethecus: everyone got a real job
Wol Euler: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it's not a "we going to enlighten you in 21 days kinda thing"
arabella Ella nods
Wol Euler: :)))
Eliza Madrigal: 3 easy steps
Liza Deischer: it is more real then
Zen Arado: as long as that ? :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: it feels more truthfull
Liza Deischer: yes, I understand
Liza Deischer: so this is a good place for you?
arabella Ella: and it is amazing too how we all trusted each other during the retreat ... I mean ... not only here but also in RL
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Widget Whiteberry nods
Eliza Madrigal: Yes I think it reveals an authenticity to what we experience here... or validates it... at least that has been my feeling
Liza Deischer: yes, somehow there is something that really works
arabella Ella: yes
Eliza Madrigal thinks of the tentacles in Avatar
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Liza Deischer: authenticity
Liza Deischer: is a nice place to start :-)
Eliza Madrigal: yes 'dropping what you have to see what you are'
Eliza Madrigal: How did the quote on the wall go...? "beyond the beliefs of any religion....
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out quiety
Liza Deischer: my feeling is that it is somewhere in sharing
Widget Whiteberry: bye all
arabella Ella: bye Calvino
Liza Deischer: bye cal
Eliza Madrigal waves
Agatha Macbeth: Night Cal
Zen Arado: bye Cal
Wol Euler: bye cal, bye widget
Widget Whiteberry: time passes so quickly here
Zen Arado: bye Widget
arabella Ella: bye Widget
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm :)
Wol Euler: yes, widget, very true. As on the retreat.
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks again Yakuzza, everyone... will be going now too
Liza Deischer: bye eliza
Zen Arado: bye Eliza :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Eliza :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
Eliza Madrigal waves and smiles
Liza Deischer: trust -authenticity -sharing?
arabella Ella: = enrichment
Liza Deischer: yes
Lucinda Lavender: thanks all, interesting chat, Ilike the play as being idea! Bye for now
Wol Euler: bye lucinda, nice to meet you.
arabella Ella: bye Lucinda
Liza Deischer: bye lucinda
Zen Arado: bye Lucinda
Wol Euler: come back any time :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Lucinda
Zen Arado: thanks for sharing Yaku
Zen Arado: I have to go too
Zen Arado: bye
Agatha Macbeth: tatty bye zen
Liza Deischer: eh..bye zen
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Liza Deischer: bye Yaku
Wol Euler: thank you, yaku, that was very good
Liza Deischer: yes thanks
Agatha Macbeth: Auf wiedersehen Yaku
Liza Deischer: :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Sweet dreams all :)
Wol Euler: I must go, appointments elsewhere.
Wol Euler: bye for now, dear friends.
Liza Deischer: bye wol, agatha
arabella Ella: nite Yaku Wol
arabella Ella: i must go too nite Liza
Liza Deischer: nite