2012.05.07 07:00 - Middle, Heart, and Source

The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sunshine
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey eliza
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Liz ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: I took the kids a bit earlier so that I can come ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Yaku and Sunshine, please forgive my lateness!
Eliza Madrigal: :) Thank you
Sunshine Vayandar: you are forgiven ;))
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: wow that is a beautiful orange
Sunshine Vayandar: very orangy ;)
Eliza Madrigal: that it is
Sunshine Vayandar: how is your today?
Eliza Madrigal: just beginning... wonderful so far :) How are you both?
Sunshine Vayandar: I am great - great day so far ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: looking very religious Liz ;o)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am also fine
Sunshine Vayandar: and Yaku matches you
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Yakuzza Lethecus: haha :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: I feel out now
Eliza Madrigal: there are times when I attend the zen retreat sittings that beg for me to wear these robes...
Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
Eliza Madrigal: reminds me of early SL days :::nostalgic music plays:::::
Sunshine Vayandar hums

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: :) The theme this week, which we began discussing yesterday, is "stillness"
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza, Yaku, Sunji :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal notices Sunshine is now in black and white... and that Zen arrived within color scheme
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Zen Arado: yeh I made this shirt
Zen Arado: but collar isn't right
Sunshine Vayandar: sorry was on the phone ;)
Eliza Madrigal: oh, could have played it cool Zen... looks fine to me until zooming
Sunshine Vayandar: Hi Zenji ;)
Eliza Madrigal: and even then really :)
Zen Arado: Hi Sunji :)

Eliza Madrigal: there is a phrase my mom used to use.... "be still my heart"....
Sunshine Vayandar: nice to see you ;)
Zen Arado: if it was still she would be in trouble :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Xiri ;)
Eliza Madrigal: bunch of clowns this morning, giggles
Zen Arado: Hi Xirana
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Xirana :)
Xirana Oximoxi: hello everyone:)
Zen Arado: just the usual idiots :)
Eliza Madrigal: ha ha
Xirana Oximoxi: hahaha
Sunshine Vayandar: ;o)
Eliza Madrigal: it is difficult to be 'still' when someone calls friends idiots :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey xirana :)
Zen Arado: yeh I guess
Xirana Oximoxi: hi Yaku:)
Sunshine Vayandar: it's just a word .... it should not infuence you
Eliza Madrigal: :) lovely orange top Xiri
Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
Eliza Madrigal: non-sticky labels, Sun?
Xirana Oximoxi: Zen's fashion:)
Agatha Macbeth: G'day :)
Sunshine Vayandar: just labels .....Sun murmurs to herself
Zen Arado: Hi Aggers
Xirana Oximoxi: hello Agg...buenos días:)
Sunshine Vayandar: hi Aggers ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aggers :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Zen Arado: bank holiday in pab sigh
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aggers
Eliza Madrigal: is it? haha.... wonderful :)
Zen Arado: wet and windy here
Agatha Macbeth smiles

Xirana Oximoxi: I must clarify boxy, that in Spanish 'hasta pronto' means 'see you soon... not' hasta porno:))

Zen Arado: hasta vista
Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno?
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Mama mia
Xirana Oximoxi: hasta la vista is also ok:)
Zen Arado: hasta luego
Eliza Madrigal: oy vey
Xirana Oximoxi: yep...Sunday he thought I was saying 'hasta porno' :)) what may he have had in his mind.... :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Xirana Oximoxi: I've read this confusion in the wiki:)
Zen Arado: must start Spanish lessons
Eliza Madrigal: much confusion to read in the wiki ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe we need lessons from Stormy ;-)
Xirana Oximoxi: yes! I¡ll give some lessons:)
Xirana Oximoxi: Storm can speak Spanish?
Agatha Macbeth: He's learning I believe
Xirana Oximoxi: ohh wonderful! I didn't know:)
Eliza Madrigal: yes he is learning... there is a program...
Agatha Macbeth: Aha

Eliza Madrigal: after the next pause, if it seems a good idea I would love hear others' ideas on 'stillness'.... First, I have an excerpt / quote.... from the tao te ching
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Xirana Oximoxi: very good Eliza
Eliza Madrigal:

Attain the center of emptiness,
Preserve the utmost quiet;
As myriad things act in concert
I thereby observe the return.

Things flourish,
Then each returns to its root.
Returning to the root
Is called stillness:
Stillness is called
return to Life,
Return to Life
is called the constant;

Knowing the constant
is called enlightenment.

- Tao-te Ching

Agatha Macbeth: It's all perfect ;-)

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: :) of course there are many versions and where one may read 'enlightenment'...another may read 'perfection'
Agatha Macbeth: Is that the Wayne Dyer (sp?) version?
Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure actually... it is from the web, and a version I excerpted a few years ago to lead into meditations
Zen Arado: I ordered a translation with commentary
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, ok
Zen Arado: Stephen Mitchell
Eliza Madrigal: when I post the log I will see to find the sourse 
 (added -- > http://www.davemckay.co.uk/philosoph...teching.cleary )
Agatha Macbeth: His is the one I'm most familiar with...
Eliza Madrigal: source*
Agatha Macbeth: Sauce

Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvZs35QPXz4
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: Eckhart Tolle talk on it
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Zen, I saw this too... quite good....
Agatha Macbeth nods
Eliza Madrigal: what I like about the verse is that it speaks to stillness not as a kind of imposition but resource
Eliza Madrigal: naturally there
Zen Arado: hard to know what it is saying
Eliza Madrigal: :) sure...but what is your personal sensibility of stillness?
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha?
Agatha Macbeth: Mm?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Not sure I have one...will ponder
Eliza Madrigal: k, ty :)
Eliza Madrigal: Yaku?

Yakuzza Lethecus: i wonder how many ppl have to giggle while watching that video :)j
Eliza Madrigal: giggle? :)

Yakuzza Lethecus: i am very often uncomfortable with stillness

Zen Arado: I put quote on a notecard if anyone wants it
Zen Arado: saves scrolling back

Agatha Macbeth: Well to me I guess it's like when you cut a shape out of a piece of paper and are left with a 'no-shape' in the middle

Yakuzza Lethecus: but maybe i just have to allow myself to be uncomfortable to become comfortable

Xirana Oximoxi: yes, thank Zen..I was going to do the same
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Zen
Eliza Madrigal: an empty center Agatha?
Eliza Madrigal: core of openness?

Agatha Macbeth: An empty anywhere...not necessarily the center
Agatha Macbeth: Is nowhere anywhere?
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Agatha Macbeth: That's pretty much how I understand the wu-wei thing
Zen Arado: should have saved it first :)
Eliza Madrigal: can see how that might be uncomfortable... when one stops and senses something like that... and may feel to fill up that space....

Agatha Macbeth: Isn't the whole point that one *doesn't* fill it up? ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: interesting connection, wui wei and stillness
Zen Arado: it seems 'the master' just goes about his business quietly
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds good to me
Zen Arado: no drama
Agatha Macbeth: 'Dharma not drama' :p
Eliza Madrigal: Yaku is that what feels uncomfortable? It can be very hard to 'do nothing'
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Zen Arado: notices how some create drama about things lately
Agatha Macbeth grins
Zen Arado: make everything so important...life or death

Xirana Oximoxi: the video is very long... and I've also understood , that let yourself sit uncomfortable and it will become comfortable
Xirana Oximoxi: at the begin

Zen Arado: but I guess I never ever did get too excited about things :)
Xirana Oximoxi: I'lll watch it later
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe the best way Zen
Zen Arado: yeh it's a long video
Eliza Madrigal: nods... he points to an 'underlying' stillnes... beneath the discomfort
Eliza Madrigal: but one might say at the heart
Zen Arado: but can be just our presonality type

Eliza Madrigal: Korel mentioned that for her, she finds stillness when most active, such as when running
Zen Arado: yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, can understand that
Zen Arado: Tolle talks a lot about a stillness underneath
Agatha Macbeth: 'running meditation'
Sunshine Vayandar: it can be any activity ...

Sunshine Vayandar: I find stillness when I play the violin

Agatha Macbeth: Oh I wish i could!
Eliza Madrigal: I've tasted stillness hearing you play the violin :)

Xirana Oximoxi: about the poem...I understand, that if you get the point of emptiness, when you 'return' to the 'world' is like rediscovering things and their essence

Sunshine Vayandar: I usually close my eyes ......
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Sun and smiles
Sunshine Vayandar smiles back at Aggers ;)
Eliza Madrigal: 'rediscovering things in their essence'... beautiful, just in time for pause :)


--BELL--

Xirana Oximoxi: maybe it can be applied to playing the violin...you get a point where you find the essence of your music

Zen Arado: This stillness could also be thought of as the source, that which we all come from, and go back to, like waves on the ocean
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Sunshine Vayandar: I often don't play any specific melody ... I just let it happen as it wants to

Agatha Macbeth: We seem to be mentioning source and heart a lot
Sunshine Vayandar: very nice experience ;)
Zen Arado: but also being able to return to the relative and be active in everyday life
Eliza Madrigal: dynamic... seems to touch the 'flow' experience... of when one feels tapped in, connected to the greater sense of 'what we are'
Zen Arado: the "return to life"
Eliza Madrigal: what we are 'dropping things' to remember....

Zen Arado: or maybe the return to life is rememberingthe absolute, the stillness underneath
Sunshine Vayandar: "flow" I can identify more than "stillness" hmmm
Xirana Oximoxi: the source I think is the enigma we always look for., generations of humans asking who I am...
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Zen Arado: and we realise that we are just a manifestation of the source

Eliza Madrigal: Sun shared a video with me this weekend, about forgiveness...
Agatha Macbeth nods
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: what can bring someone who has been terribly wronged... to forgive... think it must be this search for peace
Sunshine Vayandar: yes ...I am learning about it Liz
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Sunshine Vayandar: all the hectic stuff that happened in SA
Sunshine Vayandar: but people seem to want to go beyond revenge
Sunshine Vayandar: and wanting to just be happy
Sunshine Vayandar: but it's very hard

Xirana Oximoxi: do you have the link to the video, Eliza/Sun?
Eliza Madrigal: http://bit.ly/KOEjdH
Xirana Oximoxi: ahhh ty! :)
Sunshine Vayandar: wow you are fast Lizji ;p
Agatha Macbeth: She is :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Xirana Oximoxi: :)

Zen Arado: can we change our feeling of what is right and what is wrong?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: I think we don't have to change it really Zen...
Eliza Madrigal: in this case it was about facing and acknowledgement
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe that assumes we know the difference to begin with :p
Eliza Madrigal: is about
Eliza Madrigal smiles at Agatha
Sunshine Vayandar: ;) Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: true, that
Agatha Macbeth grins
Zen Arado: But it makes me realise that it is difficult to apportion blame

Sunshine Vayandar: right and wrong seems to change with time .... rights can become wrongs later on ...
Zen Arado: because my feeling of right and wrong has been conditioned in me
Sunshine Vayandar: lol was that English
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: exactly Sun
Agatha Macbeth: Understand Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, contexts fluxuate
Sunshine Vayandar: but some things seem to stay
Zen Arado: the hard thing to come to terms with in non-duality teachings is that we don't actually seem to have much choice
Eliza Madrigal: but that is also a basis for forgiveness...
Zen Arado: or control
Eliza Madrigal: because if one can face something and open it into a wider context/situation, perhaps more can be seen... some way to relate
Zen Arado: but one has to want to do that
Eliza Madrigal: and then not to justify but in some cases yes, just aspiring to forgive is enough
Eliza Madrigal: maybe it can not be 'done'
Zen Arado: do you realise that forgiveness implies a former judgement on someone?
Agatha Macbeth: True
Zen Arado: Or something
Eliza Madrigal: a judgment on an action...
Eliza Madrigal: which can still hold, in a way

Zen Arado: and if you realise that we all act because of all the influences and conditioning on us, our genetics and abilities and interests and experiences etc
Eliza Madrigal: while seeing a person as, yes... under those sways
Zen Arado: can we be held accountable?
Eliza Madrigal: 'forgive them for they know not what they do'
Zen Arado: ha yes
Eliza Madrigal: they're disconnected.... perhaps....
Zen Arado: you suddenly realise that Jesus said all this to0

--BELL--

Xirana Oximoxi: I must go now... I wish you a nice day and see you soon! :-)
Eliza Madrigal: could Jesus have been saying something like "ack, look at this utter confusion!" hah
Yakuzza Lethecus: have a good day xirana
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Xiri have a great day ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno Xira :P
Xirana Oximoxi: ty, bye all:)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Xiri nice to see you
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Zen Arado: bye Xiri
Eliza Madrigal: "all this drama"
Agatha Macbeth: Where?
Agatha Macbeth looks round
Eliza Madrigal: just thinking of Jesus :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: maybe a bit irreverently
Eliza Madrigal: :) apologies to anyone I may offend

Agatha Macbeth: Well he had a fair bit of drama in his life I think you'll find ;-)
Zen Arado: well Jesus forgave his tormentors
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Sunshine Vayandar: I see this so well in SA ....
Zen Arado: in fact his message of forgiveness is all through the new Testament
Agatha Macbeth nods
Zen Arado: how many times should I forgive someone? 7x7?
Eliza Madrigal: it is rather the same stance isn't it Sun?
Yakuzza Lethecus suddenly thinks of ,,alwasys look on the bright side of life" :P
Zen Arado: "Do good to those who spitefully use you'

Sunshine Vayandar: yes hmm Jesus is everywhere in SA ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe Yaku
Eliza Madrigal: :) ::::whistles::::: Yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiL...unblocked=true
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)

Zen Arado: I better go
Zen Arado: byee
Eliza Madrigal: K, nice to see you Zen
Zen Arado: ty for discussion
Sunshine Vayandar: take care Zenji
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Zen, meditate well
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Yak
Sunshine Vayandar: byebyeee Yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you again Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: u too ;))
Eliza Madrigal: bye yaku too :)

Sunshine Vayandar: I am trying to keep to these Mondays
Sunshine Vayandar: very special times ;) love all the chat
Eliza Madrigal: am thankful for that Sun
Eliza Madrigal: and it is a treat when Aggers can be here on holiday :)
Agatha Macbeth: I pass by your café often
Sunshine Vayandar: ;))
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, isn't it :)
Agatha Macbeth: Happens so rarely

Sunshine Vayandar: I hope I get to doing the Pemayana thing
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Pemayana?
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: yes it's a new word by Boxy
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Eliza Madrigal: that thing, that thing, that pemayana thing..
Agatha Macbeth: another one? :p
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: yes ... hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: it's gonna be a manga
Agatha Macbeth: Hasta porno Pemayana
Eliza Madrigal: the vehicles ... hinayana, mahayana, vajrayana, pemayana
Sunshine Vayandar blushes
Eliza Madrigal: pemayana is like a short cut :) according to adams
Agatha Macbeth: Vajra I recognise
Sunshine Vayandar: lol yes shortcut

Eliza Madrigal: rather than do all kinds of prep, everything is already prep
Agatha Macbeth: That sounds good
Eliza Madrigal: now play that way
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Kinda like fast food?
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Eliza Madrigal: haha....
Agatha Macbeth: Macdonaldsyana maybe
Sunshine Vayandar: lol ;p
Sunshine Vayandar: yes I was busy coining a word
Sunshine Vayandar: but Aggers is supper fast
Agatha Macbeth: Alf will think of one ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: sort of opposite... no loss of quality... beginning and end dropped
Agatha Macbeth: How about 'middle' ;P
Sunshine Vayandar: we don't need Alf when we have Aga
Eliza Madrigal: all middle all the time, giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Middle, heart and source....

Eliza Madrigal thinks Aggers is hiding Boxy in her hair
Eliza Madrigal: :) Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: wonder what goes on at the periphery?
Sunshine Vayandar: lolllll
Eliza Madrigal: (has the log title)
Sunshine Vayandar zooms in on her hair
Eliza Madrigal: "Middle, Heart, and Source"
Agatha Macbeth: I wondered why I hear barking
Sunshine Vayandar: Boxy must be phantom and transparent
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: 'Waiter there's a dog in my hair'
Sunshine Vayandar: lol!
Eliza Madrigal: :::eliza sniffs agatha's hair::::
Sunshine Vayandar: have you done standup before Aga?
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe Liz
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, but I prefer sitting :p
Sunshine Vayandar sniffs along with Liz
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: you can do sit downs
Eliza Madrigal: :)
 

Agatha Macbeth: aflac
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Eliza Madrigal smiles smiles
Sunshine Vayandar: ;D
Eliza Madrigal: :::applause:::::
Sunshine Vayandar enjoys the standup
Sunshine Vayandar: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSeeee***********
Eliza Madrigal: and what an outfit
Agatha Macbeth: Argato :)
Agatha Macbeth: +i
Sunshine Vayandar: !ありがとう!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Sunshine Vayandar: *:• •:*.-:¦:- -:¦:-.•:*¨¨*:• YAYYY *:• •:*¨¨*:•.-:¦:- -:¦:-.¨¨*:•
Sunshine Vayandar: that was excellent
Sunshine Vayandar: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´] [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
Eliza Madrigal: such composure
Agatha Macbeth: I have my moments....
Sunshine Vayandar: yes hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: my moments seem boring
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Sunshine Vayandar: u should start a school

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Like i said to storm recently, I never get bored
Eliza Madrigal: that would be an interesting angle to come at stillness from.... 'boredom'
Sunshine Vayandar: THe School of Agayana
Agatha Macbeth: Hmm
Agatha Macbeth: Are we having any more music sessions anytime soon?
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm Agayana ...sounds great
Eliza Madrigal: that would be fun to do again
Sunshine Vayandar: you wanna have more?
Agatha Macbeth: Natch!
Sunshine Vayandar: natch?
Agatha Macbeth: More the merrier
Agatha Macbeth: Yes please
Sunshine Vayandar: sounds fun
Eliza Madrigal: Fridays seems a good time... or maybe sometimes your session aggers... though not sure if 1pms are good for sun?
Sunshine Vayandar: we could have it at the cafe?
Eliza Madrigal: ooo :)
Sunshine Vayandar: 1pms are good
Agatha Macbeth: About 2 hrs ahead of me I think?
Sunshine Vayandar: is that good Agayana?
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Agatha Macbeth: Good for me, sure
Sunshine Vayandar: Friday 1pm-s
Agatha Macbeth: Would be 11PM there I think?

Sunshine Vayandar: musical meditation?
Sunshine Vayandar: 10pm for me
Sunshine Vayandar: i think
Agatha Macbeth: Or just a jam maybe?
Agatha Macbeth: Ok
Eliza Madrigal: yes :)) music none other than stillness
Sunshine Vayandar: jam is meditation
Sunshine Vayandar: ;p
Sunshine Vayandar: if you ask me
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh, could be
Sunshine Vayandar: musical quietness
Eliza Madrigal: the quote I gave earlier speaks of 'harmony'...
Eliza Madrigal: that 'intimacy with all things'
Eliza Madrigal: so not about being separate from activity or expression

Agatha Macbeth: Whenever I hear 'harmony' i always think of hairspray....
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Eliza Madrigal: :) well, you do have geat hair
Sunshine Vayandar: no you ruined it hehe
Eliza Madrigal: *great
Agatha Macbeth: And geat ;P
Eliza Madrigal: yeah, that too
Sunshine Vayandar: hairspray makes me think of John Travolta
Agatha Macbeth: I see your typing anim came back Liz
Eliza Madrigal: who is connected to kevin bacon how?
Sunshine Vayandar: what?
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Sunshine Vayandar: kevin who?
Agatha Macbeth: You don't usually have it on
Sunshine Vayandar: ah true
Sunshine Vayandar: you are all type-y

Eliza Madrigal: "6 degrees of kevin bacon" - the idea is that 'everyone' is connected to him somehow by six degees
Eliza Madrigal: yes... I upgraded viewers a few days ago
Sunshine Vayandar: really
Agatha Macbeth: Ok, so who is Kevin Bacon pls?
Sunshine Vayandar: ahh that's why
Eliza Madrigal: and it came back...not sure whether to keep it... doesn't seem to help pacing
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ohhh... guy from Footloose
Sunshine Vayandar: this reminds me of the song "7 seconds" - youssou n'dour
Agatha Macbeth: And what is footlose? ;P
Eliza Madrigal: and A Few Good Men, etc... played a lot of supporting roles
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, a film
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Eliza Madrigal: not sure I know that Sun
Sunshine Vayandar: oh you must know that!
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Agatha Macbeth: and fancy free?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqCpjFMvz-k
Eliza Madrigal: it was a very popular movie in the 80s... about a guy moving into an oppressed small town that wouldn't let them dance :)
Eliza Madrigal clicks
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, sounds familiar now you mention it

Sunshine Vayandar: hmm we had no American TV in the 80s
Eliza Madrigal: groovy
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Sunshine Vayandar: so no bacon ;p
Agatha Macbeth: Lucky you :p
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Eliza Madrigal laughs.... but I have been surprised at the tv shows you have seen
Agatha Macbeth: I never watch TV any more
Agatha Macbeth: don't seem to have time
Sunshine Vayandar: me neither .....I did watch Educating Rita during the weekend
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh, Julie walters/
Eliza Madrigal: we had a talk once at perfect paradise... and everyone there , india, australia... everyone knew Love Boat and Baywatch
Agatha Macbeth: ?
Agatha Macbeth: Riiiight
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: ah yes Love Boat
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe and baywatch ;p
Agatha Macbeth: My mother used to watch all the Aussie stuff
Eliza Madrigal: Fantasy Island... like SL...
Eliza Madrigal giggles
Agatha Macbeth: Kylie minogue etc
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)
Eliza Madrigal: only know the one la la song
Agatha Macbeth: Lala is a Tellytubbie :p

Sunshine Vayandar: we had Baywatch in Hungary
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Eliza Madrigal: hahah
Agatha Macbeth: Was it dubbed Sun?
Sunshine Vayandar: i think so
Sunshine Vayandar: everything was dubbed
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Sunshine Vayandar: lolll
Sunshine Vayandar: it was natural for us
Agatha Macbeth: That is sheer Kafka
Sunshine Vayandar: ;D isn't it
Agatha Macbeth: Baywatch in Magyar
Sunshine Vayandar: yes ;p
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Sunshine Vayandar: well all American things were in Hungarian
Agatha Macbeth: hard to follow

Sunshine Vayandar: I remember watching the musical "Hair"
Sunshine Vayandar: many times ...in the movie houses
Eliza Madrigal: ohhh... what were impressions?
Sunshine Vayandar: and also Jesus Christ Superstar
Agatha Macbeth: Ahh the age of aquarius
Eliza Madrigal: reminds me of the conversation about Agatha's hair....
Sunshine Vayandar: for me the story of Jesus was new
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Eliza Madrigal: home for the bees.... and boxies....
Sunshine Vayandar: I thought it was fun that they were all so dancy
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: I find strange things in my comb...
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: all so dancy :)

--BELL--

Sunshine Vayandar: but really ..it's interesting - how I saw things
Sunshine Vayandar: from the other side of the curtain
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Eliza Madrigal listens
Sunshine Vayandar: I always wanted to ask people ...how they saw things
Agatha Macbeth: Peeping round the curtain
Sunshine Vayandar: Aga you are also from the US?
Sunshine Vayandar: I forgot hmmm
Agatha Macbeth: No, England :P
Sunshine Vayandar: oh kk so we are covering 3 continents
Agatha Macbeth: The wet place
Sunshine Vayandar: LOL
Eliza Madrigal: :) quack
Sunshine Vayandar: hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Quick, get zen to paint it!

Sunshine Vayandar: Aga how did you see the Eastern Block?
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Sunshine Vayandar: when you were smaller ;p
Agatha Macbeth: Well we were always told they were 'the enemy' of course [smiles]
Sunshine Vayandar: and did they say - we were monsters?
Sunshine Vayandar: lol
Agatha Macbeth: No, nothing like that
Sunshine Vayandar: you know ... "behave or a communist will get you!"
Sunshine Vayandar: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: But it was a good excuse
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: it was a bit like that in South Africa

Agatha Macbeth: If you didn't agree with nuclear weapons, you were a Russian spy sorta thing
Sunshine Vayandar: ah ok so not that bad
Sunshine Vayandar: kk

Agatha Macbeth: Everybody with any sense knows people are just people
Eliza Madrigal ponders the wonder of the internet and feels amazed it has been 'allowed' :)
Sunshine Vayandar: hmm not always Aga
Eliza Madrigal: where it has..I guess...
Sunshine Vayandar: my granded was a computer scientist
Agatha Macbeth: It has its good and bad points
Eliza Madrigal: how much we can compare
Sunshine Vayandar: dad
Eliza Madrigal: cutting edge, Sun, then?
Sunshine Vayandar: let me show

Agatha Macbeth: It's like in 1984 when everything gets blamed on Goldstein
Sunshine Vayandar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1...B3_Kalm%C3%A1r
Agatha Macbeth: Hope this doesn't crash me
Eliza Madrigal: like that name... Lazlo...
Sunshine Vayandar: yes - it was in Casablanca
Sunshine Vayandar: wasn't it
Sunshine Vayandar: Laszlo
Sunshine Vayandar: what doesn't crash you?
Sunshine Vayandar: hope u didn't crash Aga ;)
Eliza Madrigal: play it again
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Sunshine Vayandar: yes

Eliza Madrigal: I have to get going for a bit.... so nice to see you both and to linger post-session
Sunshine Vayandar: ty for the great session as always
Sunshine Vayandar: I must go too get kids
Sunshine Vayandar: but would love to hear more
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now Liz, take care
Sunshine Vayandar: of the AGAYANA
Eliza Madrigal: me too :))
Agatha Macbeth: Yes!
Eliza Madrigal: will have to come to 1pms sometimes Sun...
Sunshine Vayandar: from Agaji ;o)
Sunshine Vayandar: ok I will think of this music session thing
Sunshine Vayandar: ;)))
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha hosts on Thursdays... and often Sunday mornings too
Sunshine Vayandar: ah really
Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you both
Sunshine Vayandar: ok I look at who hosts when
Eliza Madrigal: have a lovely day
Sunshine Vayandar: hugs guys take care
Agatha Macbeth: *huggies*