2008.10.05 07:00 - Just Part of the Boat Ride

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    Adams Rubble was the guardian and provided the comments. It is my four month anniversary today

    Wol and I arrived at the pavilion about the same time

    Wol Euler: hello adams
    Adams Rubble: Hello Wol :)
    Adams Rubble: I almost said good morning but that would be wrong :)
    Wol Euler: lol
    Wol Euler: I just arrived back home, barely in time to see the autlogger start. BRB, I have to change and make some tea :-)
    Wol Euler: as good as any toher greeting :-)
    Adams Rubble: Good afternoon
    Adams Rubble: It seemed to start with me entering the pavilion

    Umbriel and Faenik Join Us

    Adams Rubble: Hello Umbriel. Nice to see you :)
    Faenik: why not?
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Adams Rubble: Well Faenik, that is hard question to answer
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Adams Rubble: Wol is getting tea
    Umbriel Levenque: :-) he does ask some hard questions yes
    Umbriel Levenque: tea sounds nice
    Adams Rubble: It seems like a week since I have seen you
    Umbriel Levenque: yes it has been a while. RL has been rather hectic... how have you been?
    Adams Rubble: RL has been hectic for me too. I am proetty good, how about you?
    Umbriel Levenque: not bad thanks. I've seen you decorating your house a bit recently. how is it going?
    Wol Euler: back, mostly. hello umbriel
    Adams Rubble: I'm pretty much done. I have had thoughts of tearing it down and starting over :)
    Umbriel Levenque: sounds like much fun :

    I remember that I have been meaning to ask Umbriel about her agrreing with Cal and I earlier in the week

    Adams Rubble: We saw each other Wednesday or Thursday and actually I have been wondering about something you said
    Adams Rubble: or seemed to say
    Faenik: why not?
    Umbriel Levenque: um... curious now
    Adams Rubble: When I was talking to Cal about my experience and her nothingness, you seemd to have understood our experiences
    Adams Rubble: Have you had similar ones?
    Umbriel Levenque: yes a few times...
    Adams Rubble: Wol, I am am talking about my feeling of extended space for a few seconds one night
    Wol Euler: ah, ty.
    Adams Rubble: Would you be willing to share Umbriel?

    But Umbriel takes a RL break and Wol and I chat for the interim

    Umbriel Levenque: brb RL interruption
    Adams Rubble: such is SL
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Adams Rubble: How is your tea, Wol?
    Wol Euler: very nice. Earl Grey with milk.
    Adams Rubble: ah
    Wol Euler: and a chocolatey creamy rum-soaked cake too.
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Wol Euler makes Miss Piggy noises.
    Adams Rubble: haha
    Adams Rubble: Anyway Wol, my experience made me realize that I have been hemmed in by space like living in big boxes
    Wol Euler: mm?
    Adams Rubble: but I tried last night and couldn't feel them, isn;t that funny?
    Wol Euler: mm!

    Umbriel returns and confirms a simliar experience. We compare notes

    Umbriel Levenque: back... it's very similar to what you've experienced Adams
    Wol Euler swallows.
    Wol Euler: Very interesting.
    Adams Rubble: Did you feel that it was a spatial thing Umbriel?
    Umbriel Levenque: it's not... um... limited to a single or a few senses... often beyond sensory I'd say
    Umbriel Levenque: in looking back, trying to put the experiences in words, one could use 'sensory' descriptions
    Adams Rubble understands the difficulty of finding words
    Umbriel Levenque: rather vague feelings than anything else Adams
    Adams Rubble: Did it come and go uncontrolled by you?
    Umbriel Levenque: um... control... it just happens I'd say
    Adams Rubble: yes. I felt euphoric during it
    Adams Rubble: and then a bit let down when it went away
    Umbriel Levenque: um... not sure I felt such emotions during though
    Wol Euler nods.
    Umbriel Levenque: I'm suggesting that each of us may experiences this differently
    Adams Rubble: Hmm. I wonder if I am saying it too strongly. It was beautiful and I wished it hadn't gone away
    Umbriel Levenque: I see
    Faenik: なるほど^^
    Wol Euler: 200 years ago nobody would have hesitated to call that an epiphany, or a visitation...
    Wol Euler: well, maybe 400.
    Adams Rubble: I was trying to compare it to my two visions. In both of them I felt a physical sensation
    Adams Rubble: hehe Wol
    Umbriel Levenque: ah...
    Adams Rubble: This all is truly amazing
    Adams Rubble: I have been doing some thinking of space so I was ready to attribute it to that but now with Umbriel and Cal I am wondering
    Wol Euler nods
    Umbriel Levenque: could be Adams
    Umbriel Levenque: again... it seems to be differently felt by each of us in a way
    Adams Rubble: yes, and that is wonderful :)
    Umbriel Levenque: :-)
    Umbriel Levenque: is it important for you to 'attribute' the experience to something particular?
    Faenik: indeed?
    Adams Rubble: Well, only in that I was thinking in a direction and it is of some importance if the experience confirms it or not
    Adams Rubble: importance to me
    Umbriel Levenque: confirmed by yourself?
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Avastu might say what else is there?
    Umbriel Levenque: :-) yes it is what it is... nothing more to add imo
    Adams Rubble: Just part of the boat ride :)
    Umbriel Levenque: indeed useful in discussing here though
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Faenik: why not?

    Having pursued that as far as it would go, I asked about other topics. With noen forthcoming I launched into a dream I had had two nights ago

    Adams Rubble: Anyone have anything else they would like to discuss?
    Adams Rubble: If not, I have had an almost opposite like experience, a dream
    Umbriel Levenque: sure
    Adams Rubble: I finally put it on the blog yesterday
    Adams Rubble: It is a disturbing dream and one that doesn;t seem to mean anything whatsoever to me
    Wol Euler: ah :)
    Adams Rubble: but I feel somewhat affected by it at the same time
    Adams Rubble: In it there are two dead bodies and I realize I should call the police but make kind of a mess of it
    Adams Rubble: there are three other figures in it, one who slips money nto my pocket since he is going away
    Adams Rubble: Finally I end up running away unscuccessfully from the murderer (in a few different scenarios) but did not feel the fear one might exxpect
    Adams Rubble: It is all a mysetry to me
    Wol Euler: wow
    Adams Rubble: First time since I have been in PaB that a dream has seemed irrelevant
    Umbriel Levenque: death has been on your mind for a while now IIRC
    Wol Euler nods
    Adams Rubble: But I think that it has simply been a recognition that it is reality
    Adams Rubble: This rings differently to me
    Adams Rubble: It is more murder than death but hmmmmm
    Adams Rubble: the ending is interesting looking at it that way
    Faenik: why not?
    Wol Euler: when you say "running away unscuccessfully", does that mean s/he catches you?
    Umbriel Levenque: do you get killed?
    Adams Rubble: No, I woke up before that became an issue
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Umbriel Levenque: oh I see
    Adams Rubble: So I do not have any idea of the intentions of the murderer
    Umbriel Levenque: would you let it play out next time?
    Adams Rubble: The three is suggestive of the Trinity but why would one entity kill the other two?
    Wol Euler: it is interesting that you feel no fear, yes.

    Corvuscorva joins us and must have been confused at the discussion going on

    (actually I wasn't...I'd read the dream in your blog the night before-Corvi)

    Adams Rubble: Hello Corvi :)
    Wol Euler: and Jesus does go away ... :-)
    Wol Euler: hello corvi
    Umbriel Levenque: is it really 'killing' though as one may think? creation and destruction could be the same thing though the appearances may be deceptive
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: hiya
    Adams Rubble: One of the bodies was under a shower curtain but the other was kind of standing and was looking at me
    Umbriel Levenque: watched Psycho too many times Adams :-)
    Faenik: why not?
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Adams Rubble: I did not see it right away, it was only when the police asked for a description that I realized the second body was not the first
    Adams Rubble: Pycho? shower?
    Umbriel Levenque: I see
    Adams Rubble: Corvi, we are discussing a strange dream I had two nights ago
    Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...I hear it.
    Adams Rubble: It is recounted on my blog yesterday
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah..brb
    Umbriel Levenque: so what made you think the three are the same?
    Umbriel Levenque: sure
    Adams Rubble: I don't Umbriel. It is just that I do not recognize any of the people in the dream and made reference to the Trinity because there was a threesome and I have nothing better to offer
    Umbriel Levenque: I see
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Adams Rubble: It wasn't a nice dream

    Quen is next to arrive

    Corvuscorva Nightfire: scary?
    Wol Euler: re one killing another: one might say that God brings about Jesus' death ...
    Umbriel Levenque: not a pleasant one
    Adams Rubble: Hello Quen
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Wol Euler: hello quen
    Adams Rubble: Yes, that's one Wol, how about the other?
    quen Oh: hello Umbriel, Wol, Adams and Corvu
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya, Quen.
    Wol Euler: oh, sorry, I think I'm lost. Are there five epople besides yourself?
    Adams Rubble: Actually six
    Adams Rubble: Two dead bodies, one murderer, two old men and a friend
    Wol Euler: ah :) then I am lost.
    quen Oh winks to Faenik
    Adams Rubble: Unless one of the old men is the murderer
    Wol Euler: aaaah, ok.
    Faenik: ^^
    quen Oh: doing riddles?
    Faenik: could be
    Adams Rubble: No crazy dreams Quen
    Adams Rubble: mine
    Wol Euler: faenik got it.
    Adams Rubble: It is on my blog yesterday
    Faenik: heheh
    quen Oh: ah ok
    Faenik giggles. that tickles.
    Faenik: ^^
    quen Oh: ;-) Faenik does not have his own recording green ball...
    Faenik: we need real geek around here quen
    Wol Euler: yes,that is a real problem :-(
    Wol Euler: faenik isn't an avatar.
    quen Oh: well he is a black, hairy recording ball...
    quen Oh: heheh
    Wol Euler: we will have to find a special solution for him.
    quen Oh: sorry Wol, didn't want to stress your geek part out .. ;-)
    quen Oh: hope your head is better today
    Wol Euler: lol
    Wol Euler: better, thanks.
    Umbriel Levenque: lay off Faenik
    quen Oh: (searching for the Adams dream(
    Adams Rubble: rubblebornthoughts.wordpress.com, yesterday's main entry
    Adams Rubble: Thanks for your thoughts everyone
    Umbriel Levenque: np it is a fascinating dream Adams. thanks for sharing it
    Wol Euler: yw, for wat they are worth
    Adams Rubble hopes not to see that one again
    Umbriel Levenque: gotta run. have a good weekend everyone and until next time
    Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
    Wol Euler: you said you didn't know anyone in te dream?
    Wol Euler: bey umbriel, take care
    Adams Rubble: bye Umbriel :)
    quen Oh: bye Umbriel
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Umbriel
    Adams Rubble: yes Wol
    Adams Rubble: nor the place. It was a run down apartment. Darkish
    Wol Euler: do you often dream about strangers and unknown places?
    Adams Rubble: I don;t think so. They often are built from something I've seen recently
    quen Oh: perhaps you have somehow see or met these people on the street, in movies, or they are constructed from parts of others... interesting
    Adams Rubble: Strangers maybe yes but they usually are more transparent
    Wol Euler: I almost never do, my dreasm are very firmly rooted in people and places I know very well.
    Adams Rubble: It is possible Quen, but nothing recent which make is harder
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: when I dream of death it is almost always quite simply change.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: but I don't know if bodies is the same thing.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire continues pondering.
    Adams Rubble: They create a problem figuring out what to do with them
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: perhaps you dreamt someone elses dream
    Adams Rubble: Maybe some wires got crossed?
    Adams Rubble: I like that explanation
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire shakes her head, suspiciously.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: I was struck by the friend you hadn't seen for a while.
    Adams Rubble: The bus suggests a PaB friend
    Adams Rubble: my own metaphor
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: that somehow seemed the most significant thing...I thought it must be something of you that had arisen...but hadn't for a while.
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: something you hadn't seen for a long time.
    Adams Rubble: Hmmm

    Gilles completes the group but we do not all see him the same way

    Adams Rubble: That is a useful clue Corvi
    Adams Rubble: Hello Gilles
    Gilles Kuhn: hello all
    quen Oh: ehy Gilles
    quen Oh: hey*
    Wol Euler: hello gilles
    quen Oh: lol you are ghostlike, walking through the floor
    Wol Euler wonders why some people sink into the floor.
    quen Oh: don't scare Adams.. she is allready dreaming curious
    Gilles Kuhn: argh i'm sinking
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Wol Euler: bye gilles
    quen Oh: haha
    Wol Euler: sit on a cushion
    quen Oh: use a life saving cushion
    Wol Euler: how utterly surreal.
    quen Oh: even more than SL allready is
    quen Oh: lol
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Adams Rubble: :)
    quen Oh: the surrealist wolf
    Gilles Kuhn: argh there is a moving sang quagmire here the floor a wolf trap !
    quen Oh: makes me think of Dali, which also related to dreams for me
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: glad to see you back, Gilles.
    Gilles Kuhn: yes his dreams picture splendid
    quen Oh: perhaps change into a dragon so you will be large enough to have your head above the table?
    quen Oh: lol
    Adams Rubble: It is about time for us to move to the Hall of Appearances
    quen Oh: I don't see you right now
    quen Oh: ah yes the meeting
    Adams Rubble: I see Gilles
    quen Oh: me not
    Gilles Kuhn: i can do that as you know but in my screen i am on a cushion
    quen Oh: we could invite Gilles to the meeting perhaps?
    Wol Euler: sure.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes!
    Adams Rubble: yes, please feel free to come with us Gilles
    Gilles Kuhn: if that dont involve ritual sacrifice why not ;-)
    Wol Euler: visitors welco,me but beware committee boredom.
    Gilles Kuhn accepted your inventory offer.
    Wol Euler: I'll go ahead, I have to change the listeners that is there now.
    Adams Rubble: See you all there :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: /em grins at Wol.
    Wol Euler: see you later
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