2008.10.21 07:00 - Complexity of my Assumptions

Comments (hopefully later today) added by Riddle.

Riddle Sideways: good morning all
Adams Dubrovna: Good Morning Riddle :)
Adams Dubrovna: Just me
Riddle Sideways: ah Adams
Riddle Sideways: I could not see whom yet
Riddle Sideways: lets see whcih mat is for kneeling
Riddle Sideways gives up
Adams Dubrovna: Try the blue one
Adams Dubrovna: ahh
Riddle Sideways: TY
Riddle Sideways: ahhhh
Riddle Sideways: this is the way I sit, RL
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Adams Dubrovna: That's important
Adams Dubrovna: The Adamses have had a bit too much real life in the last few days
Riddle Sideways: as I understand
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Riddle Sideways: from the emails
Riddle Sideways: RL and PaB collide
Adams Dubrovna: It's been a bit of a test for our group
Riddle Sideways: sounded it
Adams Dubrovna: We had some good discussions there and all the talk has been about who looked what
Riddle Sideways: I was very confused over the emails
Adams Dubrovna: Yes, I can see where you might be
Riddle Sideways: especially the photo thread
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Riddle Sideways kept losing track of who said what
Maxine Walden is Online
Adams Dubrovna: The meetings themselves were good. Were you able to attend the August meeting in Berkeley?
Riddle Sideways: no, I missed that too
Riddle Sideways: had been in that direction just the week before
Adams Dubrovna: I found it enriching to meet people
Adams Dubrovna: Hi Maxine :)
Riddle Sideways: morning Maxine
Maxine Walden: hi, Adams and Riddle, nie to see you both!
Adams Dubrovna: Nice to see you too :)
Riddle Sideways: seeing is the optimal word
Maxine Walden: isn't it, yes, Riddle! So many ways/perspectives of seeing
Riddle Sideways: and the reviewing of what everyone has seen
Maxine Walden: right...
Riddle Sideways: I was traveling and out of internet range all last week
Maxine Walden: oh?
Riddle Sideways: most others were in RL contact
Adams Dubrovna: A few of us were
Maxine Walden: does that leave you feeling out of the loop?
Riddle Sideways: mostly, but I was reading old logs
Riddle Sideways: and I may not want ot meet some of you :)
Riddle Sideways: from what some have said
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Maxine Walden: indeed, might be a shady bunch or a few...oh what have some said?
Riddle Sideways: RL meeting have changed thier ...
Adams Dubrovna: There has been a tendency to focus on the superficial...that initial tendency might dafe
Riddle Sideways: [what is the abbr. for "fill in the blank]
Adams Dubrovna: The meeting in RL did not change my opinion of anyone...it only made it richer
Riddle Sideways: ah, very good
Maxine Walden: I think as well that I feel my perceptions/experiences deepened re each person/av, not always as I might have expected, but deepened indeed
Maxine Walden: as I became aware of the complexity of my assumptions but also others' presentations as well
Maxine Walden: I had a dream early this morning which I gazed upon for a few minutes:
Riddle Sideways: oh, I love that expression "complexity of my assumptions"
Riddle Sideways: pls, tell of dream
Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine?
Maxine Walden: yes, well it was a tangle of imagery, sort of a crowd of folks, not too well defined, all mingling with snakes, serpents, rather friendly reptiles...
Maxine Walden: of a sort, and then everyone seemed to come together in a western corral type setting
Maxine Walden: as if to share experiences. I heard someone say (can't recall but the last bit)
Maxine Walden: which was 'how can you dream Montana?'
Maxine Walden: my immediate thought about the dream began with
Maxine Walden: feeling that it represented some of my experience with the RL group this weekend, all of us
Maxine Walden: dealing with primitive aspects of self and other...but then
Maxine Walden: my thought went on to help me see something I have been wrestling with
Maxine Walden: maybe my internal reptiles
Maxine Walden: which has to do with what directions to follow, what voices, dreams, senses to use as compass
Maxine Walden: as I transition in my professional life to some extent
Maxine Walden: and I have always loved the wide open spaces of Montana and the
Maxine Walden: natural beauty and 'honesty' of the land as it were...think that comment was about
Maxine Walden: following that dream, if you will, that inner wide space, any beauty there might be and the honesty of that inner landscape...something like that
Maxine Walden: one of my reptiles has been to idealize others, that they have the answer, the best ideas, that they should be the leaders...
Maxine Walden: and once again it feels that I have had to learn that gentle lesson that to idealize another
Maxine Walden: is to bypass the quiet inner authority of the self which is really the one to follow
Maxine Walden: (end of thought for now)
Adams Dubrovna: wow Maxine
Riddle Sideways: yes, all I can say is wow
Adams Dubrovna: Quite abit in one dream and what a great thouhgt on which to end it
Maxine Walden: hope what I said was not intimidating...dreams have been a companion for some time
Adams Dubrovna: No, not at all. Wonderful thoughts
Maxine Walden: and I think I had some fantasy about the RL Princeton experience...that it would 'point the way' to something...so the dream just reflects back upon my own landscape perhaps
Riddle Sideways: the richness of the ideas, concepts and flow
Adams Dubrovna: The Princeton gathering would be worth it just for that Maxine
Maxine Walden: right, Adams, thought so too
Riddle Sideways: would?
Adams Dubrovna: was
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Maxine Walden: it feels like a privilege to have some quality of inner discourse with dreams...but it has been something of an activity over decades
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Maxine Walden: did you feel the Princeton weekend would be a pointer in any way, Adams?
Adams Dubrovna: you have taught me things about dreams although I think on aless complex level
Maxine Walden: ah, nice to share...
Adams Dubrovna: No Maxine, I did not have those expectations
Adams Dubrovna: I did not have any expectations
Maxine Walden: ah, perhaps more in the spirit ofapproaches to Being than I
Maxine Walden: ie no expectatios
Adams Dubrovna: You seemed to have opened yourself to a far richer experience than I had
Maxine Walden: Riddle, don't want to have you feel out of the loop here...maybe the discussion of the RL experience might do so
Riddle Sideways: no no please go on
Riddle Sideways: I will type in when ...
Riddle Sideways was comparing expectations and assumptions
Riddle Sideways: 2 weird words
Maxine Walden: OK, you know, Adams, hard to know what is 'rich' or 'richer' at each moment, guess we each proceed according to our immediate experrience
Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine. It is really good to hear about your thoughts
Maxine Walden: Riddle, re those two words....what thoughts?
Adams Dubrovna: I find myself on a bit of a roller coaster. Sometimes ready for something new and then withdrawing back and starting again
Riddle Sideways: we make assumptions. we make expectations. then try to get others to live up to them
Adams Dubrovna: ah
Maxine Walden: I know that feeling well, Adams.
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Riddle Sideways: yes, roller coaster
Maxine Walden: interesting, Riddle
Adams Dubrovna: On asumptions, I think those we had about each other were superficial
Riddle Sideways: do you find yourselves comparing the current high/low to the last apex?
Maxine Walden: not sure what you are asking, Riddle
Adams Dubrovna: hmm. I think less than when I started on this ride :)
Adams Dubrovna: No I more or less enjoy the ride except maybe when I am on the low swing. then I may worry a little but less than the last time
Adams Dubrovna: Now instead of No
Maxine Walden: yes, think I know what you are asking Riddle, since PaB I have had fewer really high or really low times, more measured, more reflective which seems to modulate the extremities of experience
Riddle Sideways: interesting, I would have thought the opposite
Maxine Walden: oh, please say more, Riddle
Riddle Sideways: that some people are hitting higher highs and lower lows
Riddle Sideways: as they touch parts of Being
Adams Dubrovna: Hmmm. I am thinking it is both ways for me - more extreme in some ways and less in toehrs
Adams Dubrovna: yes Riddle
Maxine Walden: that may be, but for me, things matter less, so I am not so dissapointed or pushed around when things do or don't work out. And when things are wonderful I seem to experience that in quieter ways
Riddle Sideways: right [other half chimes in] the constant inspections of every 15 min have moderated our experiences
Maxine Walden: think that is what i am referring to, Riddle
Riddle Sideways: seems we get both sides
Maxine Walden: not that life is more muted at all, not at all, in fact it seems more beautiful, with more depth and possibility
Adams Dubrovna: In addition the subtraction of identities has removed some of the effect of the lows
Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine
Riddle Sideways: are we doing extremes in moderation or moderating to the extreme ? :)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Maxine Walden: interesting question, Riddle
Adams Dubrovna: interesting riddle
Riddle Sideways: just in pasting
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Riddle Sideways: the removing of "me" in the inspection/play with Being
Riddle Sideways: removes the hi/low of "me"
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Maxine Walden: yes, agree
Riddle Sideways wonders why I always think Being does not have hi/low
Riddle Sideways: the leading edge of Being as we approach would have height
Riddle Sideways: opps, forgot Avastu for a moment
Maxine Walden: I would like to think about that,...Avastu?
Maxine Walden: (I will have to go in about 5 minutes, for RL work)
Riddle Sideways: All that is, is
Riddle Sideways: yes, I have to leave at 8 too
Riddle Sideways: was anybody here last tuesday
Maxine Walden: can't recall whether I was, probably not
Adams Dubrovna: Just want to say this has been a good session for me. I have been wandering around in the wrong direction the last day or so and and you havehelped me to see that
Riddle Sideways: maxine did, yes
Adams Dubrovna: I ans't here then
Maxine Walden: oh, glad it has been helpful...
Adams Dubrovna: Both of you helped :)
Maxine Walden: yes, likely our group 'being'
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Maxine Walden: is helpful for the lostness we can each feel
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Riddle Sideways: ah, but lostness is often good too
Riddle Sideways: play with it
Adams Dubrovna: a necessary place it seems
Maxine Walden: right, just thinking of that as well
Maxine Walden: yes, lostness can be creative as well as a bit painful
Adams Dubrovna: yes
Maxine Walden: Riddle, were you looking for the log for last Tues?
Riddle Sideways: yes, it was lost
Maxine Walden: oh, another lostness
Adams Dubrovna: :(
Riddle Sideways: I was on an airplane at the time
Riddle Sideways: nobody answered my 'need guardian" nor "where is log" emails
Maxine Walden: maybe in the nature of Being it is not too great a problem is a log remains 'lost';
Riddle Sideways: true
Adams Dubrovna: I wonder if Wol might be of some help. I wonder how long the autologging logs last
Adams Dubrovna: yes Maxine
Maxine Walden: I have wondered about that too, if no one comes to fill in, is it a disaster, or just another thing to let 'be'
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Adams Dubrovna: You can right up an entry with that thought Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: just write that nobody came to listen to the wind chimes
Maxine Walden: Dear friend, I had better go. Really have enjoyed our conversation as I always do. And see you both very soon, I hope.
Adams Dubrovna: bye Maxine :)
Riddle Sideways: bye, Maxine
Maxine Walden: friends, of course,
Maxine Walden: bye
Riddle Sideways: C'ya soon
Adams Dubrovna: yes, of course
Maxine Walden is Offline
Riddle Sideways: if nobody is there to listen to the software, does it still play the wind chimes :)
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Riddle Sideways: I shall think of repiles the rest of the day
Adams Dubrovna: :)
Adams Dubrovna: I never seem to dream about reptiles
Adams Dubrovna: I know I was dreaming about crowds of people myself but I didn;t remember the details
Riddle Sideways: I go thru periods of not dreaming and then over dreaming
Adams Dubrovna: yes, me too
Adams Dubrovna: or at least remembering and not remembering
Riddle Sideways: but, I need to go to RL stuff
Riddle Sideways: this conversation could go on and on
Adams Dubrovna: yes, it was good to see you this morning :)
Riddle Sideways: Adams, we shall talk of dreams another time
Adams Dubrovna: sounds good. bye :)