2008.10.05 07:00 - Just Part of the Boat Ride

Adams Rubble was the guardian and provided the comments. It is my four month anniversary today

Wol and I arrived at the pavilion about the same time

Wol Euler: hello adams
Adams Rubble: Hello Wol :)
Adams Rubble: I almost said good morning but that would be wrong :)
Wol Euler: lol
Wol Euler: I just arrived back home, barely in time to see the autlogger start. BRB, I have to change and make some tea :-)
Wol Euler: as good as any toher greeting :-)
Adams Rubble: Good afternoon
Adams Rubble: It seemed to start with me entering the pavilion

Umbriel and Faenik Join Us

Adams Rubble: Hello Umbriel. Nice to see you :)
Faenik: why not?
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Adams Rubble: Well Faenik, that is hard question to answer
Adams Rubble: hehe
Adams Rubble: Wol is getting tea
Umbriel Levenque: :-) he does ask some hard questions yes
Umbriel Levenque: tea sounds nice
Adams Rubble: It seems like a week since I have seen you
Umbriel Levenque: yes it has been a while. RL has been rather hectic... how have you been?
Adams Rubble: RL has been hectic for me too. I am proetty good, how about you?
Umbriel Levenque: not bad thanks. I've seen you decorating your house a bit recently. how is it going?
Wol Euler: back, mostly. hello umbriel
Adams Rubble: I'm pretty much done. I have had thoughts of tearing it down and starting over :)
Umbriel Levenque: sounds like much fun :

I remember that I have been meaning to ask Umbriel about her agrreing with Cal and I earlier in the week

Adams Rubble: We saw each other Wednesday or Thursday and actually I have been wondering about something you said
Adams Rubble: or seemed to say
Faenik: why not?
Umbriel Levenque: um... curious now
Adams Rubble: When I was talking to Cal about my experience and her nothingness, you seemd to have understood our experiences
Adams Rubble: Have you had similar ones?
Umbriel Levenque: yes a few times...
Adams Rubble: Wol, I am am talking about my feeling of extended space for a few seconds one night
Wol Euler: ah, ty.
Adams Rubble: Would you be willing to share Umbriel?

But Umbriel takes a RL break and Wol and I chat for the interim

Umbriel Levenque: brb RL interruption
Adams Rubble: such is SL
Adams Rubble: :)
Wol Euler: heheheh
Adams Rubble: How is your tea, Wol?
Wol Euler: very nice. Earl Grey with milk.
Adams Rubble: ah
Wol Euler: and a chocolatey creamy rum-soaked cake too.
Adams Rubble: :)
Wol Euler makes Miss Piggy noises.
Adams Rubble: haha
Adams Rubble: Anyway Wol, my experience made me realize that I have been hemmed in by space like living in big boxes
Wol Euler: mm?
Adams Rubble: but I tried last night and couldn't feel them, isn;t that funny?
Wol Euler: mm!

Umbriel returns and confirms a simliar experience. We compare notes

Umbriel Levenque: back... it's very similar to what you've experienced Adams
Wol Euler swallows.
Wol Euler: Very interesting.
Adams Rubble: Did you feel that it was a spatial thing Umbriel?
Umbriel Levenque: it's not... um... limited to a single or a few senses... often beyond sensory I'd say
Umbriel Levenque: in looking back, trying to put the experiences in words, one could use 'sensory' descriptions
Adams Rubble understands the difficulty of finding words
Umbriel Levenque: rather vague feelings than anything else Adams
Adams Rubble: Did it come and go uncontrolled by you?
Umbriel Levenque: um... control... it just happens I'd say
Adams Rubble: yes. I felt euphoric during it
Adams Rubble: and then a bit let down when it went away
Umbriel Levenque: um... not sure I felt such emotions during though
Wol Euler nods.
Umbriel Levenque: I'm suggesting that each of us may experiences this differently
Adams Rubble: Hmm. I wonder if I am saying it too strongly. It was beautiful and I wished it hadn't gone away
Umbriel Levenque: I see
Faenik: なるほど^^
Wol Euler: 200 years ago nobody would have hesitated to call that an epiphany, or a visitation...
Wol Euler: well, maybe 400.
Adams Rubble: I was trying to compare it to my two visions. In both of them I felt a physical sensation
Adams Rubble: hehe Wol
Umbriel Levenque: ah...
Adams Rubble: This all is truly amazing
Adams Rubble: I have been doing some thinking of space so I was ready to attribute it to that but now with Umbriel and Cal I am wondering
Wol Euler nods
Umbriel Levenque: could be Adams
Umbriel Levenque: again... it seems to be differently felt by each of us in a way
Adams Rubble: yes, and that is wonderful :)
Umbriel Levenque: :-)
Umbriel Levenque: is it important for you to 'attribute' the experience to something particular?
Faenik: indeed?
Adams Rubble: Well, only in that I was thinking in a direction and it is of some importance if the experience confirms it or not
Adams Rubble: importance to me
Umbriel Levenque: confirmed by yourself?
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Avastu might say what else is there?
Umbriel Levenque: :-) yes it is what it is... nothing more to add imo
Adams Rubble: Just part of the boat ride :)
Umbriel Levenque: indeed useful in discussing here though
Adams Rubble: yes
Faenik: why not?

Having pursued that as far as it would go, I asked about other topics. With noen forthcoming I launched into a dream I had had two nights ago

Adams Rubble: Anyone have anything else they would like to discuss?
Adams Rubble: If not, I have had an almost opposite like experience, a dream
Umbriel Levenque: sure
Adams Rubble: I finally put it on the blog yesterday
Adams Rubble: It is a disturbing dream and one that doesn;t seem to mean anything whatsoever to me
Wol Euler: ah :)
Adams Rubble: but I feel somewhat affected by it at the same time
Adams Rubble: In it there are two dead bodies and I realize I should call the police but make kind of a mess of it
Adams Rubble: there are three other figures in it, one who slips money nto my pocket since he is going away
Adams Rubble: Finally I end up running away unscuccessfully from the murderer (in a few different scenarios) but did not feel the fear one might exxpect
Adams Rubble: It is all a mysetry to me
Wol Euler: wow
Adams Rubble: First time since I have been in PaB that a dream has seemed irrelevant
Umbriel Levenque: death has been on your mind for a while now IIRC
Wol Euler nods
Adams Rubble: But I think that it has simply been a recognition that it is reality
Adams Rubble: This rings differently to me
Adams Rubble: It is more murder than death but hmmmmm
Adams Rubble: the ending is interesting looking at it that way
Faenik: why not?
Wol Euler: when you say "running away unscuccessfully", does that mean s/he catches you?
Umbriel Levenque: do you get killed?
Adams Rubble: No, I woke up before that became an issue
Adams Rubble: :)
Umbriel Levenque: oh I see
Adams Rubble: So I do not have any idea of the intentions of the murderer
Umbriel Levenque: would you let it play out next time?
Adams Rubble: The three is suggestive of the Trinity but why would one entity kill the other two?
Wol Euler: it is interesting that you feel no fear, yes.

Corvuscorva joins us and must have been confused at the discussion going on

(actually I wasn't...I'd read the dream in your blog the night before-Corvi)

Adams Rubble: Hello Corvi :)
Wol Euler: and Jesus does go away ... :-)
Wol Euler: hello corvi
Umbriel Levenque: is it really 'killing' though as one may think? creation and destruction could be the same thing though the appearances may be deceptive
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Corvuscorva Nightfire: hiya
Adams Rubble: One of the bodies was under a shower curtain but the other was kind of standing and was looking at me
Umbriel Levenque: watched Psycho too many times Adams :-)
Faenik: why not?
Wol Euler: heheheh
Adams Rubble: I did not see it right away, it was only when the police asked for a description that I realized the second body was not the first
Adams Rubble: Pycho? shower?
Umbriel Levenque: I see
Adams Rubble: Corvi, we are discussing a strange dream I had two nights ago
Corvuscorva Nightfire nods...I hear it.
Adams Rubble: It is recounted on my blog yesterday
Corvuscorva Nightfire: ah..brb
Umbriel Levenque: so what made you think the three are the same?
Umbriel Levenque: sure
Adams Rubble: I don't Umbriel. It is just that I do not recognize any of the people in the dream and made reference to the Trinity because there was a threesome and I have nothing better to offer
Umbriel Levenque: I see
Wol Euler smiles.
Adams Rubble: It wasn't a nice dream

Quen is next to arrive

Corvuscorva Nightfire: scary?
Wol Euler: re one killing another: one might say that God brings about Jesus' death ...
Umbriel Levenque: not a pleasant one
Adams Rubble: Hello Quen
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Wol Euler: hello quen
Adams Rubble: Yes, that's one Wol, how about the other?
quen Oh: hello Umbriel, Wol, Adams and Corvu
Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya, Quen.
Wol Euler: oh, sorry, I think I'm lost. Are there five epople besides yourself?
Adams Rubble: Actually six
Adams Rubble: Two dead bodies, one murderer, two old men and a friend
Wol Euler: ah :) then I am lost.
quen Oh winks to Faenik
Adams Rubble: Unless one of the old men is the murderer
Wol Euler: aaaah, ok.
Faenik: ^^
quen Oh: doing riddles?
Faenik: could be
Adams Rubble: No crazy dreams Quen
Adams Rubble: mine
Wol Euler: faenik got it.
Adams Rubble: It is on my blog yesterday
Faenik: heheh
quen Oh: ah ok
Faenik giggles. that tickles.
Faenik: ^^
quen Oh: ;-) Faenik does not have his own recording green ball...
Faenik: we need real geek around here quen
Wol Euler: yes,that is a real problem :-(
Wol Euler: faenik isn't an avatar.
quen Oh: well he is a black, hairy recording ball...
quen Oh: heheh
Wol Euler: we will have to find a special solution for him.
quen Oh: sorry Wol, didn't want to stress your geek part out .. ;-)
quen Oh: hope your head is better today
Wol Euler: lol
Wol Euler: better, thanks.
Umbriel Levenque: lay off Faenik
quen Oh: (searching for the Adams dream(
Adams Rubble: rubblebornthoughts.wordpress.com, yesterday's main entry
Adams Rubble: Thanks for your thoughts everyone
Umbriel Levenque: np it is a fascinating dream Adams. thanks for sharing it
Wol Euler: yw, for wat they are worth
Adams Rubble hopes not to see that one again
Umbriel Levenque: gotta run. have a good weekend everyone and until next time
Umbriel Levenque: Peace and Love
Wol Euler: you said you didn't know anyone in te dream?
Wol Euler: bey umbriel, take care
Adams Rubble: bye Umbriel :)
quen Oh: bye Umbriel
Corvuscorva Nightfire: bye Umbriel
Adams Rubble: yes Wol
Adams Rubble: nor the place. It was a run down apartment. Darkish
Wol Euler: do you often dream about strangers and unknown places?
Adams Rubble: I don;t think so. They often are built from something I've seen recently
quen Oh: perhaps you have somehow see or met these people on the street, in movies, or they are constructed from parts of others... interesting
Adams Rubble: Strangers maybe yes but they usually are more transparent
Wol Euler: I almost never do, my dreasm are very firmly rooted in people and places I know very well.
Adams Rubble: It is possible Quen, but nothing recent which make is harder
Corvuscorva Nightfire: when I dream of death it is almost always quite simply change.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: but I don't know if bodies is the same thing.
Corvuscorva Nightfire continues pondering.
Adams Rubble: They create a problem figuring out what to do with them
Corvuscorva Nightfire: oh
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: perhaps you dreamt someone elses dream
Adams Rubble: Maybe some wires got crossed?
Adams Rubble: I like that explanation
Wol Euler: :-)
Corvuscorva Nightfire shakes her head, suspiciously.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: I was struck by the friend you hadn't seen for a while.
Adams Rubble: The bus suggests a PaB friend
Adams Rubble: my own metaphor
Corvuscorva Nightfire: that somehow seemed the most significant thing...I thought it must be something of you that had arisen...but hadn't for a while.
Adams Rubble: Hmmm
Corvuscorva Nightfire: something you hadn't seen for a long time.
Adams Rubble: Hmmm

Gilles completes the group but we do not all see him the same way

Adams Rubble: That is a useful clue Corvi
Adams Rubble: Hello Gilles
Gilles Kuhn: hello all
quen Oh: ehy Gilles
quen Oh: hey*
Wol Euler: hello gilles
quen Oh: lol you are ghostlike, walking through the floor
Wol Euler wonders why some people sink into the floor.
quen Oh: don't scare Adams.. she is allready dreaming curious
Gilles Kuhn: argh i'm sinking
Adams Rubble: hehe
Wol Euler: bye gilles
quen Oh: haha
Wol Euler: sit on a cushion
quen Oh: use a life saving cushion
Wol Euler: how utterly surreal.
quen Oh: even more than SL allready is
quen Oh: lol
Wol Euler: heheheh
Adams Rubble: :)
quen Oh: the surrealist wolf
Gilles Kuhn: argh there is a moving sang quagmire here the floor a wolf trap !
quen Oh: makes me think of Dali, which also related to dreams for me
Adams Rubble: yes
Corvuscorva Nightfire: glad to see you back, Gilles.
Gilles Kuhn: yes his dreams picture splendid
quen Oh: perhaps change into a dragon so you will be large enough to have your head above the table?
quen Oh: lol
Adams Rubble: It is about time for us to move to the Hall of Appearances
quen Oh: I don't see you right now
quen Oh: ah yes the meeting
Adams Rubble: I see Gilles
quen Oh: me not
Gilles Kuhn: i can do that as you know but in my screen i am on a cushion
quen Oh: we could invite Gilles to the meeting perhaps?
Wol Euler: sure.
Corvuscorva Nightfire: yes!
Adams Rubble: yes, please feel free to come with us Gilles
Gilles Kuhn: if that dont involve ritual sacrifice why not ;-)
Wol Euler: visitors welco,me but beware committee boredom.
Gilles Kuhn accepted your inventory offer.
Wol Euler: I'll go ahead, I have to change the listeners that is there now.
Adams Rubble: See you all there :)
Corvuscorva Nightfire: /em grins at Wol.
Wol Euler: see you later