2008.10.13 13:00 - Scrambling Avatars and Typists

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema, standing in for Stim. Posted by Fael, feel free to comment.

    Wol Euler: hello adelene
    Adelene Dawner: Hiya Wol
    Wol Euler: I may have to log out and back in, I'm seeing everything grey otday :-(
    Adelene Dawner: no worries :)
    Adelene Dawner: Hi Pem :)
    Pema Pera: Hi there, Adelene!
    Adelene Dawner: WB Wol
    Pema Pera: And hi Wol!
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. "I love my brain... The microwave dinged, and I remember that I'd put something in there, but it'll be a surprise when I go get it out."
    Adelene Dawner: (brb)
    Wol Euler: hello all
    Wol Euler: how's the gathering going, Pema?
    Pema Pera: growing
    Pema Pera: so far only Fael
    Pema Pera: but soon more and more
    Pema Pera: till we get 13 avatar holders on Saturday!
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Adelene Dawner: mmm, potatoes
    Wol Euler: I'm envious.
    Wol Euler: (not of hte potatoes)
    Pema Pera: haha
    Adelene Dawner: hee!
    Pema Pera: mashed potatoes?
    Wol Euler: hello fael
    Adelene Dawner: nope, roasted steamed spiced potato chunks.
    Fael Illyar: Hi Wol, Adelene, Pema :)
    Pema Pera: Hi again Fael
    Adelene Dawner: hi Fael :)
    Fael Illyar is here talking to Pema who is sitting 3 meters from her with no wall in between in RL.
    Wol Euler grins
    Adelene Dawner giggles.
    Pema Pera: If you don't mind, let me jump over for a minute to the Kira Cafe, to check something out -- brb
    Wol Euler: ok
    Adelene Dawner will have to ask someone to take over her Friday evening spit - she has no laptop to bring with her.
    Adelene Dawner: *spot
    Wol Euler: when will you get there, Adelene?
    Adelene Dawner: Friday evening,sometime after 6:30
    Adelene Dawner: Three's picking me up in PA and driving me in - he knows the schedule, I don't need to so I haven't bothered to learn it. :)
    Wol Euler grins
    Pema Pera: We may want to start asking for replacements soon
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
    Pema Pera: given that many of us are in Princeton then!
    Pema Pera: we'll have to bring out all the reserves
    Pema Pera: (is that what they are called in English?)
    Adelene Dawner: yup
    Fael Illyar: yes, I think so
    Pema Pera: (not on active-duty?)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Pema Pera: aha, Wol is one candidate :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: I'm already covering Quilty on wednsday
    Pema Pera: Quilty is another candidate :)
    Adelene Dawner: It would make sense to figure out which slots will need coverage and just post one email.
    Pema Pera: yes, good idea
    Pema Pera: I can do that
    Adelene Dawner: thx :)
    Adelene Dawner: So Pema, I found a good quote yesterday:
    Adelene Dawner: A lack of leadership is no substitute for inaction.
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: it often is though, in practice -- but it depends on how you read the quote, in which direction
    Fael Illyar: some people are just natural leaders, do those things when they see they need doing :)
    Pema Pera: and some of those people then get rather little sleep . . . .
    Adelene Dawner: hehe
    Fael Illyar: Yes, sounds likely :)
    Pema Pera: funny to hear Fael's typist laughing in the background
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Pema Pera: I guess on tv they would call this a "reality show"
    Wol Euler wonders if ther is a Turing test in this somewhere.
    Adelene Dawner: *chuckles*
    Fael Illyar: turing test?
    Fael Illyar is missing something now.
    Pema Pera wondering whether the 13 of us should make a cameo appearance during one of the Saturday sessions -- we could randomly scramble avatars and typists, and see how long it takes for people to catch on
    Wol Euler: the black box test of wehtehr a human tester could tell the diference bewteen a computer and a human, based only on typed response
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Pema Pera: Adelene typing Fael-like lines
    Pema Pera: Pema typing Adams-like lines
    Pema Pera: and so on
    Wol Euler: pema suddenly typing thirty word sententces
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Adelene Dawner: (Tangent: Pema, it's not on the wiki yet, but Three and I (mostly me, I had the words) did talk about that thing I talked to you about, in group, a couple days ago.)
    Wol Euler: it was absolutely fascinating! quite an honour to have been there.
    Pema Pera: where on the wiki will that appear? Ah, one of the sessions?
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
    Pema Pera: looking forward to seeing it!
    Adelene Dawner: 10.12 13:00
    Pema Pera: one day ago exactly, thanks!
    Adelene Dawner: And of course SL decided not to save my settings as far as logging - I *did* set them first thing after the upgrade - so I can't send you my copy of the log 'cause I don't have it. :P
    Pema Pera: Art and Love?
    Wol Euler: I could mail it to Pema, Ade.
    Adelene Dawner: oh, could be. It's been a while since I actually checked.
    Wol Euler: unless you went on after I left
    Pema Pera: Maxine Walden, who was able to stay for 50 minutes or so, but as the conversation was continuing to unfold as she had to leave Adelene Downer agreed to send the rest of the chatlog,
    Fael Illyar: how about the autologger?
    Wol Euler: ah, that would have it too.
    Adelene Dawner: I'm pretty sure Three has the whole rest of it. It'll turn up, in any case.
    Pema Pera: would be great to let the autologger do duty!
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow towards Fael.
    Fael Illyar: I'll copy&paste it from the autologger to the wiki. What do you want for title?
    Fael Illyar: does it need editing?
    Pema Pera: It's already up on http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...-_Art_and_Love
    Pema Pera: just needs to be extended
    Pema Pera: the last part is missing since Maxine left
    Pema Pera: and she posted the first 50 minutes
    Wol Euler: looks OK to me, there were no random strangers passing by.
    Adelene Dawner: An observation: It feels weird to talk about this without Three here. Not 'wrong', but weird. Uncomfortable.
    Pema Pera enjoying the five-minute silence (and adding this line for the log :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Wol Euler listens to the crows.
    Pema Pera: I'll have to leave soon, I'm afraid; many things to organize . . . I didn't expect to come in at this session, but was just responding to Stim's request
    Pema Pera: Fael, can you catch the rest of the log?
    Pema Pera: you can just throw it across the room in half an hour :-)
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Wol Euler reminds herself that she is going to the Frankfurt Book Fair on the weekend, so as not to feel too envious.
    Pema Pera: Meanwhile, while doing various chores, I'll park my avatar in the Kira Cafe, in case someone comes for the "Dutch Evening" there :-)
    Adelene Dawner: ooo, book fair
    Pema Pera: Buch Messe, wie schoen!!
    Wol Euler grins wide.eyed. Wonderful!
    Pema Pera: see you all!
    Wol Euler: bye pema, take care
    Wol Euler: I have a friend at a publishing house who gets me free tickets.
    Fael Illyar: uh, where did I save my wiki password :/
    Wol Euler: umm, on your desktop computer?
    Wol Euler: oh dear.
    Fael Illyar: yep, in firefox there
    Wol Euler: o.O
    Adelene Dawner: that may be less than helpful then. You could email it to me?
    Wol Euler: I'm an admin too, can I assign you a new one?
    Fael Illyar: I could probably just request a new one from the interface.
    Wol Euler: try it
    Fael Illyar: ok, it emailed me a new one
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Fael Illyar: ok, there it is now
    Fael Illyar: which log is in the wrong place?
    Adelene Dawner: the log is in the right place, it just needs to have the end tacked onto it.
    Adelene Dawner: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...-_Art_and_Love
    Fael Illyar: I tacked it there already
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams
    Wol Euler: hello adams
    Adelene Dawner: ah, ok, should be fine then. Hi Adams, hi Gaya :)
    Wol Euler: hello gaya
    Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: Ah, Hi Gaya :)
    Adams Rubble: Adelene, I have been thinking about you and Threedee
    Adams Rubble: What is different from my expereinces seems to be the love (compassion)
    Adelene Dawner: oh?
    Fael Illyar is sort of half-asleep here but when she sees something she wants done, she's weirdly very efficient doing it.
    Adelene Dawner chuckles at Fael.
    Fael Illyar: the wonders of jetlag
    Wol Euler nods, there is a kind of hyper-energy in some jetlag states.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Wol Euler: sory, adams, please continuer
    Adams Rubble: Adelene, I have never had an experience quite like yours and I left wondering aboutit
    Adams Rubble: about it
    Adams Rubble: And then I saw the love
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm. That's central to it. ^.^
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Wol Euler smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adams Rubble: It is amazing and wonderful the things that are happening to us
    Adelene Dawner chuckles. "Now this, I can talk about without Three here - I have a pretty good idea why he can't get there again by thinking about it."
    Fael Illyar: :)
    Adelene Dawner: I'm pretty sure he's assuming that that ability is something new, and it's not - he's looking for the new thing that hehasn't seen before, and he should be looking for something that's been there for months.^.^
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Fael Illyar: love is strange and wonderful, yes :) ... although not strange :P
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adams Rubble: No Fael, not the love, the experiences we are having
    Adelene Dawner: Are they different, Adams?
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    Adelene Dawner: Are you sure? ^.-
    Adams Rubble: Unless we call it a love for Being
    Adelene Dawner: Here's a question: What is love?
    Adams Rubble: I think the love grows out of what we are doing
    Adams Rubble: Hello Corvi :)
    Adelene Dawner: Hi, Corvi ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: it occurred to me today that YSBS ... or particularly BS part of that is kind of close to Christian way of confession. Confessing your sins to god. Letting God see everything.
    Wol Euler smiles at Corvi. Heya,
    Adams Rubble: Well Adelene, that has been discussed for centuries and there are many kinds :)
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    Fael Illyar: Hi Corvi :)
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: Hiya
    Adelene Dawner: 'to love' is a form of the verb 'to be' - realizing that you love someone is realizing that they already are fundamentally a part of you.
    Adams Rubble: Yes, that is a definition :)
    Wol Euler: ... that you have grokked them :-)
    Wol Euler: perhaps.
    Adelene Dawner: Yup, Wol. ^.^
    Adams Rubble: I think that love is fundamental to your expeience
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm ^.^
    Adams Rubble still not sure what gorkked is
    Adams Rubble: grokked :)
    Adelene Dawner: I just brought up the wikipedia entry on love, and am looking at the ways that it's commonly categorized - this experience transcended those categories.
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok
    Adams Rubble: OK I'll try to look :)
    Adelene Dawner: Adams - to grok someone or something is to understand it so completely that becomes part of you.
    Fael Illyar: hmmh... actually, I just realized that concept of time doesn't really make sense right now...
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Wol Euler: the paragraph "in hacker culture" is a very clear explanation, I found
    Adelene Dawner: yes
    Adams Rubble: I'm still here :). It's a hacker word?
    Wol Euler: an understanding that transforms you, changes the way you _are_ in the world.
    Wol Euler: sci-fi originally
    Adelene Dawner: It's from a book, Adams.
    Adams Rubble: Ah, must not have read that one
    Wol Euler: Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a strrange land"
    Adelene Dawner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange...a_Strange_Land
    Adams Rubble seems to think we may have had this conversation before. memory going fast
    Adelene Dawner: I think we have, yes, but that's ok.
    Gaya Ethaniel is falling asleep
    Adelene Dawner: Good to bring the two concepts up together, to see the relatedness.
    Gaya Ethaniel: bit early but will go to bed now
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Gaya
    Adams Rubble: good night Gaya :)
    Wol Euler smiles to Gaya. It is late enough, take care of yourself.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Good night/day
    Wol Euler: good night, sleep well
    Gaya Ethaniel: ty Wol
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: good night Gaya :)
    Fael Illyar: See you tomorrow :)
    Adams Rubble: Hello xxxx :)
    Wol Euler: welcome to second life, xxxx. Happy rezzday.
    Wol Euler: try the cushions, they are more comfortrable
    Adams Rubble: RL has called. Bye everyone :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Adams :)
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Adams
    Wol Euler: bye adams, take are.
    Wol Euler: ty xxxx 
    Fael Illyar: I think I'll try spacing out for a bit so going offline now.
    Fael Illyar: Talk to you people later :)
    Wol Euler: ok, don't forget to sleep :-)
    Adelene Dawner: cya Fael
    Adelene Dawner: thanks for the log
    Fael Illyar: I'll sleep during night :)
    Wol Euler: take care
    Fael Illyar waves
    Wol Euler: xxxx, you catch us between events as it were.
    Wol Euler: we are part of agroup that meets here four times a day to discuss meditation practices
    Wol Euler: well, so much for that.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: must go.
    Wol Euler: bye corvi, take are.
    Adelene Dawner: cya, Corvi.
    Adelene Dawner: I think I'll go too.
    Corvuscorva Nightfire: cya, Adelene
    Adelene Dawner: cya Wol
    Wol Euler: bye adelene, enjoy the day.
    Adelene Dawner: will do. ^.^

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