2008.10.19 19:00 - What is (your) Age

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    stevenaia Michinanga was guardian filling in for Rowan Marsala who was delayed for the meeting.  The comments are stevenaia's.


     I arrived to find  Geo Netizen, Fael Illyar, Gaya Ethaniel and doug Sosa already here.

    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome Geo
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello doug
    Geo Netizen: Namaste Stevenaia
    Geo Netizen: hello all
    doug Sosa: hi, now that i can find my keyboard
    stevenaia Michinaga: I missed were it went
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Fael
    doug Sosa: hi fael
    Geo Netizen: Hello Fael Dello Hener
    Fael Illyar: Hi Steve, doug, Geo, Hener
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Hener, have you been hare before?
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hener?
    Hener Ponce: greating fine people have never been here before

    geo Netziten, someone I never met arrived, I introduced him to who we are.

    Geo Netizen: Welcome Hener
    doug Sosa: we are friendly mediators, so to speak.
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome, happy to have you join us, we record our meeting and post them on the web, is that Ok?
    Hener Ponce: i am new to play as being
    Hener Ponce: gulp, sure
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, sign here.....
    Geo Netizen: We were all new at one time, some more new that others
    Hener Ponce: just did
    Hener Ponce: some remain new, some arrive weathered
    stevenaia Michinaga: so you have seen the Play as being website (since you know the name)
    Geo Netizen: :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I'm interested in knowing how you found out about us since you didn't know where the meeting would be :)
    Hener Ponce: no, i stumbled upon this quite naively, i ran into some ones home and just checked out a profile, and became intrigued
    Fael Illyar: oh, whose?
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Play_As_Being_in_a_Nutshell
    Hener Ponce: i beleive you know the answer to your question better than i
    stevenaia Michinaga: something to look at when you have time
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am substituting for Rowan who is on her way home for work and couldn't be here in time, so I'll be posting the log to the wiki
    Fael Illyar: Play as Being is name for this group, but also a name for these explorations we do in this group.
    Fael Illyar: Hi Gaya, Adele :)
    Geo Netizen: Hi Gaya & Adle

    Adelene Dawner joins us, she had just return from the PaB fest in Princeton.

    Adelene Dawner: Hullo all ^.^
    Geo Netizen: O .. a lovely large group tonight !
    stevenaia Michinaga: we meet 4 times a day at 1 am and pam and 7 am and pm SLT, one of the things we do is is... at the 1/4 hour take a moment (9 seconds) and take a meditative break and reflect on the moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ade, always good to see you...smile
    Solobill Laville: Hi, everyone :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Hener Ponce: greetings
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Gay and Solobill
    Fael Illyar: The idea being to, every 15 minutes, spend 9 seconds dropping everything you have and looking at what's left.
    Adelene Dawner: (Three will probably not be coming... which may be good, Stevenaia, I'm sure you're sick to death of watching us be mooshy. ^.^)
    Hener Ponce: _/?\_
    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, never
    Adelene Dawner: oo, Hener, I like that.
    Fael Illyar: these meetings are for discussing things related to these explorations.
    Solobill Laville: :) Healthy skepticism?
    Fael Illyar: Although, we're not always strictly no toic.
    Fael Illyar: uh, on topic I mean
    stevenaia Michinaga: some of us spend the weekend in Princeton NJ to talk face to face (and online) about what we do here, an intereting time for all
    Gaya Ethaniel: things... topics... sometimes mooshy ones
    Fael Illyar: overall quite freeform discussion group :)
    doug Sosa: mooshy? cros between mushy, moshi and moo?
    Fael Illyar falls down laughing.
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Geo Netizen: :):)
    stevenaia Michinaga: sometimes our topics are continuations of previous evening, ot sometime we get "distracted" and it goes in a new direction
    Adelene Dawner: Yanno how Three and I tend to sit in each other's laps, just about, here? Not much changed with that in the jump to RL.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    stevenaia Michinaga: *our
    doug Sosa: or has all discipline broken down and we have had actual flirting?
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner laughs at Doug. "He *is* married."
    stevenaia Michinaga: about time, Doug
    Hener Ponce: we are all married to something, right,
    doug Sosa: married?
    stevenaia Michinaga: If he wasn't it wouldn't be flirting, ..smile
    Hener Ponce: ah
    Geo Netizen: It would be ?
    Fael Illyar: ah, yes, come to think of it, most people are married to something. Whether it's a person or an idea.
    Hener Ponce: a hobbie
    stevenaia Michinaga: why foreplay, ofcourse
    Geo Netizen: Ahhhh ...
    Hener Ponce: i thought four play was when three friends came over
    Bell: *ding*
    Faenik loves wells!
    Hener Ponce: but i digress
    Geo Netizen: These logs are really posted on Wiki for all to see …
    Adelene Dawner: Yup. *chuckle*
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles
    Hener Ponce: i dont think all care what we say
    stevenaia Michinaga: ...smiles, slowly folding the papers Hener signed
    Fael Illyar: Well, not all but ... they really will be publicly posted :)
    Geo Netizen: Hi Raull
    Fael Illyar: Hi Raull
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Raull
    Raull Minotaur: hi
    Hener Ponce: and?
    Raull Minotaur: brazil
    Hener Ponce: every thing we say is publicly posted
    Hener Ponce: eventually
    doug Sosa: so this raises a question. Obviously the public posting has at least the suggestion of supressing some topics. How dowe fell about that?
    doug Sosa: "feel..
    Raull Minotaur: eu queriair para o brasil
    stevenaia Michinaga: some of out logs get over 500 hits... scratching head wondering why, or who
    Hener Ponce: name a topic it would suppress?
    Raull Minotaur: help
    Raull Minotaur: me
    Fael Illyar: well, I guess it's up to the individuals :)
    Geo Netizen: It doesn't seem to restrain some :)
    Adelene Dawner: It has happened that things have come up that people have not wanted posted, and they don't get posted.
    Solobill Laville: I'm going to see if i can help Raull
    Adelene Dawner is just shameless. ^.^
    doug Sosa: Raull?
    Gaya Ethaniel: thank you Solo
    Fael Illyar: well, yes, you can ask for some things to be removed :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Doug, there have been highly edited conversation at the request of the attendees
    Geo Netizen: :):)

    A Brazilion arrives, Solobill was kind enough to talk to him off log, his name was editied since he did not agree to be recorded. 

    Solobill Laville: XXXXXXXXXX, I have a translator on, let's talk out in the grass behind you
    Solobill's translator: XXXXXXXXXX, tengo un traductor en, vamos a hablar en el c√©sped detr√°s de ti
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you Solobill
    Solobill Laville: XXXXXXXXXX, let's talk out here
    Solobill's translator: XXXXXXXXXX, vamos conversar aqui fora
    doug Sosa: So I have to say it, think about the impact, go get it removed..?
    stevenaia Michinaga: what would you like removed, Doug?
    Faenik: why not?
    Adelene Dawner: Personally, there's not much I wouldn't be comfortable having there, and if there is something, I just won't talk about it here. I have y'all in my friend liest, I can IM people.
    Adelene Dawner: *list
    Geo Netizen: How correcting all of our typos ..
    Geo Netizen: How abutt correcting all of our typos ..
    Geo Netizen: as I said
    stevenaia Michinaga: well I am notorious for my typing style
    Adelene Dawner: I tend to do a spellcheck when I post logs.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I do make an effort at some corrections if they make sence
    Hener Ponce: i cant imagine anything that would be a topic amogunst us here that i would want my comments suppressed
    Gaya Ethaniel: I do the same too
    Geo Netizen: Appreciated !
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I only correct my typos unless they are obvious
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Faenik: why not?
    Hener Ponce: accept the topic of typos, please, i have no comment
    Fael Illyar: well, sometimes correcting typos actually changes the meanings.
    stevenaia Michinaga: I try not to when they are my own
    stevenaia Michinaga: and it will have an impact on meaning
    Hener Ponce: like, i did not have sexual relations with those pixels.....
    stevenaia Michinaga: meaning
    Gaya Ethaniel needs to get up early so will go to bed now...
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Gaya
    Geo Netizen: :):):)
    Fael Illyar: Good night Gaya :)
    doug Sosa: wow
    Gaya Ethaniel: see you soon again dear friends
    Geo Netizen: Goodnight gaya
    Adelene Dawner: cya Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    stevenaia Michinaga: do you have experience with meditation Hener, in any formal sence?
    Fael Illyar: Hi Rowan :)

    Rowan Marslala finally arrives after work.

    Hener Ponce: yes
    Geo Netizen: Hellow Rowan :)
    Rowan Masala: hi all :)
    Fael Illyar has done some Zen meditation.
    stevenaia Michinaga: well we are tying a 9 second version less time (9 second), more times (every 1/4 hour)
    stevenaia Michinaga: where it takes you is up to you
    Fael Illyar: Hi Dakini :)
    Rowan Masala: Hi Dakini!
    Hener Ponce: that apears to be the case
    Geo Netizen: Hi Dakini :)
    Dakini Rhode: greetings! :)))
    Adelene Dawner needs to afk for a few minutes.
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Dakini how special for you join us...smile
    Dakini Rhode: are you folks in Princeton?
    Rowan Masala: see you soon, Adelene
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Rowan
    Fael Illyar: most left already.
    Rowan Masala: I'm not, Dakini
    Fael Illyar: by now it's just me, pema, stim and genesis
    Dakini Rhode: Fael, are you staying stateside for a while?
    Fael Illyar: or well, gen and pema are in new york at the moment but they'll be back soon enough :)
    Fael Illyar: yes, for one week still
    Dakini Rhode: fun stuff :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, very nice RL meeting we had here :)
    Rowan Masala: it sounded terrific, from what Steven told me
    doug Sosa: I am trying to get a sense of Princeton, what most serious explorations, and if they will have an effect here.
    Fael Illyar: what effect there is, if any, will be clear soon enough :)
    Hener Ponce: i have only been there once, but it seemed to have a grace about it.
    stevenaia Michinaga: awww, an optimist
    doug Sosa: the kind of thing i could miss.
    Geo Netizen: We had a most interesting meeting here with them also in Princeton
    Rowan Masala: I haven't been since I was 15--my brother did his undergrad there
    Bell: *ding*
    Hener Ponce: really, what was his undergrads name?
    Rowan Masala: chime, Steven
    Rowan Masala: do you want us to take 9?
    Fael Illyar: faster to do it than to ask :)
    Rowan Masala: His name is Don Fairbairn
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, thank you Rowan, it gets typed when Adelene is here
    Rowan Masala: but he graduated in 85
    Rowan Masala: (I'm ancient)
    doug Sosa: 35-15 that isn't ancient.
    Fael Illyar: this group is mostly older people... except those who aren't :)
    doug Sosa: 85-15
    Rowan Masala smiles
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonder what describes how old I am?
    Rowan Masala: eonic?
    Dakini Rhode: boomer?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I was thinking "older than dirt"
    Hener Ponce: i describe my age as accurate
    Rowan Masala grins
    stevenaia Michinaga: but dirt lasts a very long time
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: and fertilizes  much
    doug Sosa: very few cues i am not 25 and several that I am.
    Rowan Masala: so what was the topic before I arrived?
    stevenaia Michinaga: scratching head...
    Hener Ponce: its not as important that you know my age, as it is that i know my age
    Geo Netizen: Pretty much this speed
    Rowan Masala: and that none of us act our age :)
    Hener Ponce: i hope i am thought of as older than i am
    Dakini Rhode: what does "age" mean to you?
    Hener Ponce: i ask you, the age of what?
    Hener Ponce: my mind, my spirit, my soukl, my thoughts, my flesh?
    doug Sosa: a friend says each person quickly reaches the age at which they stay fixed. some children are old at five, some stay fifteen forever, some even reach maturity before they settle in.
    Dakini Rhode: do you think he's right doug?
    stevenaia Michinaga: age is a parking place for numbers, really represents little
    Fael Illyar: wb Solo :)
    doug Sosa: yes, I do.
    Hener Ponce: for you maybe
    Rowan Masala smiles at Solo
    Solobill Laville smiles back
    Solobill Laville: Hullo ms. Rhode :)
    Dakini Rhode: where is your age?
    Rowan Masala: oooh--good question
    Dakini Rhode: greetings, Mr. Laville :)
    Adelene Dawner is back.
    stevenaia Michinaga: wb Adelene

    The group moves to a discussion of individuals, as some of us recently met each other in RL.  Actual age, mental age, assumed age, chosen age, the meaning of age.....

    I also discussed one of the group activites we did in RL this weekend and the drawing posted on the wiki, some photos were shared and the conversations moved from there.  (references and links to photographs and descriptions of some people have been removed for privacy reasons)

    Rowan Masala: I think my age is all over the place, but especially present in my patience and in my eyes
    Dakini Rhode: poetic, rowan :)
    Adelene Dawner: My age seems mostly to be somewhere where I can't see it - everybody else thinks I have more than I'm aware of. ^.-
    Rowan Masala blushes and bows her head
    Dakini Rhode: funny :)
    Fael Illyar: come to think of it, age is rather complex subject :)
    Rowan Masala: I was surprised at how young you are Adelene
    Dakini Rhode: I see my age on the calendar, otherwise I can't locate it
    Hener Ponce: my age is in my friends and students, in the laughter and tears of my people, my tribe
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes Ade, the word is out, you not hiding behind this pre-mature maturity anymore
    Adelene Dawner: ha!
    Adelene Dawner: ask, don't assume? I'm not hiding anything. ^.^
    Rowan Masala: What do you teach, Hener?
    Solobill Laville: Seems I missed a lot... :)
    Geo Netizen: Age, though is different from experience, age is a simple measure of the passage of time
    Hener Ponce: life
    Rowan Masala grins at Hener
    Hener Ponce: smiles knowingly at Rowan'
    Geo Netizen: Experience and learning is closer, I think, to what we’re talking about
    Rowan Masala: but I think Dakini is right to ask about age--indeed because of the lack of clear interpretation of it
    stevenaia Michinaga: I settling in happily at 17 years
    Rowan Masala: because it's open to so many associations
    Rowan Masala: that's about right for you, Steven
    stevenaia Michinaga: .... smiles
    Hener Ponce: whiskey isnt whiskey until it intoxicates, and experience isnst experience untill it teaches someone
    doug Sosa: was it an issue in Princeton where people met FTF for the first time (some of them)?
    stevenaia Michinaga: is that someone ever the experience-or?
    Rowan Masala: and second life isn't second life until you've really lived here?
    Hener Ponce: no, bu they can be the decider
    Adelene Dawner: I think it's interesting that Three is twice my age (a bit more than that actually) and yet I very much see him as a peer, only a few years older.
    stevenaia Michinaga: was what an issue, Doug?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Age?
    doug Sosa: seeing the difference between avatar age and real age.
    Rowan Masala: I think Adelene was really the only surprise for me. Well, and Adams
    Fael Illyar wonders how much difference there is between her avatar age an RL age ...
    Bell: *ding*
    Solobill Laville: Were you there Rowan?
    Rowan Masala: only through Steven's eyes and ears
    Solobill Laville wonders if there is some PaB-fest web coverage he doesn't know about ;)
    Fael Illyar: there are some pictures on the front page
    Hener Ponce: these avatars have no wisdom, like ou flesh has no wisdom, we, our spirits, who own both avatar and flesh, have wisdom
    Solobill Laville: OK, but I have no idea who would be who...
    Geo Netizen: Someone should post comments to indicate who is who
    Adelene Dawner: I'm the large person in the blue.
    Geo Netizen: That would be interesting
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Hener Ponce: i am the one just off camera, see , i am waiving, big smile, funny hat, cant miss me
    Dakini Rhode: I was at a different gathering this weekend, and thought of you all, wondering what commonalities our gatherings might share
    Rowan Masala: Steven is the bald cutie
    stevenaia Michinaga: I also posted some additional drawings we did on the PaB fest wiki pag
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks Rowan, you will regret that...smiles
    Fael Illyar: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Real_life_meetings/PaB_Fest_17_-_19_October
    Rowan Masala laughs
    Solobill Laville: I think Doug's question if a great one, did age have some effect on anything, say relationship-wise?
    Solobill Laville: oh, gotta check now :)
    Rowan Masala: oh, I really like sketch #8
    Solobill Laville: Too cool, how great is that that you all travelled to meet
    Hener Ponce: very nice group of living avatars
    Solobill Laville: How was your gathering Dakini? (I am reading back...)
    Dakini Rhode: awesome, bill
    Adelene Dawner: The age thing was interesting though I'm not sure I can put it into words without sounding like a kid looking for adult approval. :)
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Solobill Laville wonders how young this "kid" is... :)
    Dakini Rhode: altho i didn't get to play with crayons :(
    Solobill Laville: hehe
    Geo Netizen: Is the age of a person prejudicial in how we perceive someone?
    Adelene Dawner: It was interesting being just about the youngest one there (anyone <26?) and still being taken seriously.
    doug Sosa: but these experiences are precious. Teach us a lot about who we are, how the wrld is.
    Geo Netizen: At least initially?
    stevenaia Michinaga: and playdough... I took 3 home
    Fael Illyar: well, I'm not that far from that, being 27 :)
    Dakini Rhode: playdo oh, my
    Adelene Dawner will be 27 in... geez, 2 or 3 weeks? Nov 10th.
    Solobill Laville nods appreciatively at all this
    Rowan Masala: If you look at the numbers over our heads, Solo is the youngest
    Rowan Masala: he's only 225
    Fael Illyar: come to think of it ... I can't remember even thinking about anyone's age during the meeting.
    Solobill Laville: Least verbose, please remember that ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the drawing were an exercises in mindfulness I proposed , for us to draw on a piece of paper then pass the drawing to your right and continue drawing on the the new paper, adding to whatever was passed to you, then they pass it on, while this was going on now one spoke, it got spooky
    Adelene Dawner chuckles at Steve
    Dakini Rhode: so engrossed in the drawing?
    Adelene Dawner: mmhmm
    Dakini Rhode: this the month for spooky
    Adelene Dawner: and we were passing them every minute or so.
    stevenaia Michinaga: my "in the moments" happen when pen touches paper
    Rowan Masala smiles at Dakini
    stevenaia Michinaga: Sylectra passed hers every 15 seconds
    Rowan Masala: you timed her?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, it was that fastest
    Adelene Dawner: hmm
    Adelene Dawner: interesting email.
    Dakini Rhode: the drawing i see looks like impressions of the SL PaB world
    Adelene Dawner: there were objections (commenter's modification) to the pics being posted of people. 
    Solobill Laville: ahhh
    stevenaia Michinaga: you can post your comment (please) on the wiki, Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: okie dokie steve
    Bell: *ding*
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I don’t believe that was purposeful
    stevenaia Michinaga: however others were asked
    Dakini Rhode: hmmm this bell reminds me i am SOOOO SLEEEPY
    Solobill Laville: Go to bed, as the body suggests...
    Rowan Masala: sweet dreams, Dakini
    Solobill Laville: :)
    Geo Netizen: Good Night Dakini
    Dakini Rhode: nite all :)
    Solobill Laville: night
    Dakini Rhode: be well ;-o
    stevenaia Michinaga: Hener, we usually meet minimally for 20 minutes and usually for an hour, but sometimes these discussion go a very long time..smile
    doug Sosa: bye
    Hener Ponce: , just like life?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, as long as it takes
    Fael Illyar: very spontaneous :)
    Fael Illyar: as long as two people feel like staying, these continue
    Hener Ponce: thank you for your concern
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders how old you are Fael?
    Fael Illyar thought she just said it a while ago.
    stevenaia Michinaga: will read it later then
    Fael Illyar: 27
    Adelene Dawner: A bit older than me. ^.^
    stevenaia Michinaga: thanks you
    Fael Illyar: yes, around 10 months maybe?
    Adelene Dawner: You'd know more than I would ^.^
    Fael Illyar: 9 and half more like :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Rowan Masala: so... what are the numbers above our heads, really?
    Fael Illyar: they reflect the internal state of the recording scripts.
    Hener Ponce: ientification for the recordings
    stevenaia Michinaga: they are some de-bugging thingy
    stevenaia Michinaga: what he said
    Rowan Masala: but they keep changing
    Fael Illyar: how much data is in the buffer waiting to be sent
    Fael Illyar: the second one is the amount of free memory left for the script to use at will
    Solobill Laville: I thought it tracked the amount of data that each of us "contributed"; text...no?
    Adelene Dawner: Kinda, but it rolls over often.
    Fael Illyar: well, it does but it goes back to the beginning when the buffer limit comes up
    Hener Ponce: if it constantly changed, we could not read it
    Solobill Laville: All right, scratch that comment of mine about being the least verbose then, sigh
    Rowan Masala laughs
    Solobill Laville: It actually is age...I guess
    Rowan Masala laughs
    Solobill Laville: And I'm not getting any younger!
    Solobill Laville: So, I will wish you all a good night :)
    doug Sosa: in chinese and arabic calendars
    Rowan Masala: goodnight, Solo
    Rowan Masala: be well
    Fael Illyar: good night, Solo :)
    doug Sosa: night
    Geo Netizen: Good night Solobill
    Adelene Dawner: 'night
    stevenaia Michinaga: night
    Hener Ponce: :)
    doug Sosa: bye
    Rowan Masala: bye Doug
    Adelene Dawner: 'night Doug
    Geo Netizen: Good Bye
    Rowan Masala: think it's time for me to say goodnight as well
    Rowan Masala: Good to meet you, Hener
    stevenaia Michinaga: night Rowan
    doug Sosa: oh, i was just saying goodbye to those leaving..:)
    Bell: *ding*
    Fael Illyar: Good night Rowan :)
    Rowan Masala: 'night all
    Hener Ponce: good night everyone
    Fael Illyar: Good night Hener
    Geo Netizen: Nice to meet you Hener ... Hope to see you again.
    doug Sosa: yes, time. i too say night.
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you for coming
    Adelene Dawner: it has been a long day, yes :)
    Fael Illyar: Yes, I hope I'll see you again here :)
    Adelene Dawner: I think I'll go too.
    stevenaia Michinaga: indeed
    Fael Illyar: yes, I'll go as well.
    Hener Ponce: as times goes by, we will meet again
    Geo Netizen: Good night to all ... ;)
    stevenaia Michinaga: good to see you again Geo
    Geo Netizen: And you steve ... have a good night ...
    Geo Netizen: Again hope to see you again soon Hener ...
    Hener Ponce: it will happen
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, and feel free to check out the excerpts on the wiki
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s a group eforrt on many levels
    stevenaia Michinaga: also there is a foundation, http://www.Kira.org that offers some perspective
    stevenaia Michinaga: these meetings have been going on since April
    stevenaia Michinaga: enjoy, I must go I have much spellchecking to do...smile
    Hener Ponce: ok, very well indeed 
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